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PVH Corp. (PVH)

Q2 2021 Earnings Call· Wed, Sep 1, 2021

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Operator

Operator

Please standby. Good day, everyone and welcome to the PVH Second Quarter 2021 earnings call. Today's call is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Dana Perlman. Please go ahead, ma'am.

Dana Perlman

Management

Thank you, operator. Good morning, everyone. And welcome to the PVH Corp. Second Quarter 2021 Earnings Conference Call. This webcast and conference call is being recorded on behalf of PVH and consists of copyrighted material. It may not be recorded, rebroadcast, or otherwise transmitted without PVH's written permission. Your participation in the question and the answer session constitutes your consent to having anything you say appear on any transcript or replay of this call. The information to be discussed, includes forward-looking statements that reflects PVH's view as of August 31st, 2021, of future events and financial performances. These statements are subject to risk and uncertainties indicated in the Company's SEC filings and the safe harbor statement included in the press release that is a subject of this call. These risks and uncertainties include PVH's right to change its strategies, objectives, expectations, and intentions, and its need to use significant cash flow to service its debt obligations. Significantly at this time, the COVID-19 Pandemic continues to have a significant impact on the Company's business, financial condition, cash flow, and results of operations. There are significant uncertainty about the duration and extent of the impact of the pandemic. The dynamic nature of these circumstances means what is said on this call could change materially at any time. Therefore, the operation of the Company's business and its future results of operations could differ materially from historical practices and results or current descriptions, estimates, and suggestions. PVH does not undertake any obligation to update publicly any forward-looking statement, including without limitation any estimates or suggestions regarding revenue or earnings. Generally, the financial information and projections to be discussed will be on a non-GAAP basis as defined under SEC rules. Reconciliations to GAAP amounts are included in PVH 's Second Quarter 2021 earnings release, which can be found on www. pvh.com and in the Company's current report on Form 8-K furnished to the SEC in connection with the release. At this time, I'm pleased to turn the conference over to Mr. Stefan Larsson, CEO of PVH.

Stefan Larsson

Management

Good morning. And thank you for joining. With me on the call today are Mike Shaffer, COO and CFO, Dana Perlman, EVP, Chief Strategy Officer and Treasurer, and Jim Holmes our Corporate Controller, who we announced will be Interim CFO effective September 10th. Let me start by sharing that we delivered a very strong second-quarter performance, and significantly outperformed our plans from a revenue EBITDA margin and EPS perspective, all despite the ongoing challenges from COVID. We're also taking up our guidance for the year. I would like to thank our associates around the world for their hard work and critical contributions to the great second quarter, a very strong first half of the year. Our results in the quarter included strong double-digits revenue growth against last year, which was relatively in line with pre-pandemic levels. And this was led by our international business, specifically Europe. Our performance was underpinned by meaningful gross margin expansion and operating expense efficiencies, which drove significant EBITDA margin expansion of several 100 basis points compared to 2019. For several quarters now, we have shown great progress in driving an accelerated recovery through the disciplined execution against our strategic priorities. These include increasing our focus on our two iconic global power brands, Calvin Klein and Tommy Hilfiger. Building on the strength in international, delivering on product strength, pricing power, and gross margin expansion, while winning in the marketplace through supercharged e-commerce growth. And at the same time, driving operating efficiencies. Looking ahead, our strong performance in the quarter combined with the strength of the underlying growth drivers in our business, has led us to increase our top and bottom line full-year guidance. Our EBITDA margin guidance now assumes a return to a margin similar to our 2019 levels. We're confident in our ability to continue…

Mike Shaffer

Management

Thanks, Stefan. The comments I'm about to make are based on non-GAAP results and are reconciled in our press release. Overall revenues for the second quarter were up 46% as reported, and up 40% on a constant currency basis compared to the prior year, and significantly exceeded our prior revenue guidance. Our international businesses significantly exceeded 2019 pre -pandemic levels, driven by Europe. When we compare d 2021 second-quarter results to the previous year, it's important to remember that during the second quarter of 2020, virtually all of our retail stores and the majority of our wholesale customer stores were closed globally during the first month of the quarter and we're operating at a significantly reduced capacity for the remainder of the quarter as a result of the pandemic. Our total direct-to-consumer business was up 19% versus the prior year and owned and operated digital commerce was flat despite exceptionally strong growth in the prior year and significant traffic improvement in brick-and-mortar this year as stores have reopened and capacity restrictions have lessened. Our retail stores faced some continued pressure during the second quarter. Although to a much lesser extent than in the previous year with certain stores temporarily closed in Europe, Australia, and Japan for various periods of time. Our wholesale revenues were up 77% versus the prior year, driven by strong performance in Europe. In addition, we experienced a significant increase in sales to the digital businesses of our traditional and pure play wholesale customers. Our overall revenue through our digital channels grew approximately 35% versus the prior year, and our digital penetration as a percentage of total revenue continues to be approximately 25% even as stores have reopened. Looking at our segments Tommy Hilfiger, revenues were up 41% as reported, and 35% on a constant currency basis…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operators Instructions] We'll take our first question from Erinn Murphy with Piper Sandler.

Erinn Murphy

Analyst

Great, thank you. Good morning and congratulations on the second quarter, my question, Stefan, is for you the second quarter operating margins, just record level, would love to hear a little bit more about the cost discipline that you're seeing in the business across the different workstreams. And then I recognize in the back half, you spoke to added freight and marketing. But if sales were to come in ahead of plan, could you just talk about your philosophy around flowing through the upside versus reinvesting.

Stefan Larsson

Management

Thank you, Erinn. So we -- when we look at the Q2 performance from an EBITDA perspective and an EBITDA margin perspective, we see the upside coming from a combination of the gross margin rate going up because of our -- mainly driven by our key products focus, our hero products focus, and that we are able to sell through our products at a higher AUR. And we see that continue. This is a multiyear journey where we drive brand relevance through focusing on winning with product and being very focused on the key categories that matters to most to the consumers. And then we build hero products around that. And then we connect those hero products with the consumers, increasing the tighter and tighter to where the consumers wants to shop channel-wise. And that's where we have doubled down on e-commerce. So we see that continue. On an operating efficiency perspective, that's the other driver of the EBITDA rate improvement in Q2. We see that it's coming from being increasingly focused on investing in the accelerated recovery priorities and looking at efficiencies that we can free up that's outside of that. So you will see us continue to drive gross margin rate improvements over time and you will see us continue to drive operating efficiencies over time.

Erinn Murphy

Analyst

Great. Thank you. And then I guess relatedly, if we zoom out and look at 2022, it sounds like you already have some good visibility on Europe and order books up double-digits. I know there's several puts and takes with just lapping stimulus as well as supply chain that could linger. But how are you thinking big picture about '22 just given those comments on gross margin as well as your operating efficiencies that you expect to continue?

Stefan Larsson

Management

Yeah, Erinn, we continue to lean into our accelerated recovery priorities and seeing the effect this year about them and continue to see effect when we lean into the first one being supercharging e-commerce. And that's when the markets open up, that increasingly includes the comeback for brick-and-mortar. So it's about continuing to supercharge e-commerce for 2022 to win in the marketplace across channels, but being digitally-led, and then continue to drive product strength and continue to drive efficiencies.

Jim Holmes

Analyst

Yeah. And Erinn, this is Jim, I would just add as implied by our guidance for '21, we're pretty much in line -- our operating margins are in line with 2019 pre-pandemic levels. So we're obviously pleased with the trajectory that we're on, but as we look to next year, we're really in the early stages of our planning process, so it's premature to provide more details on that at this time.

Erinn Murphy

Analyst

Great. Thank you so much. And Mike, all the best.

Mike Shaffer

Management

Thank you, Erinn.

Operator

Operator

We'll take our next question from Bob Drbul with Guggenheim.

Bob Drbul

Analyst · Guggenheim.

Hi. Good morning. Mike, it's interesting to see you did all the script, but Jim answering all the questions, it's definitely a new era for us here. But he's got the heavy lifting now. Jim, I just have a question for you, and then I have a follow-up for Stefan, but Jim, can you talk a little bit on inventory levels? Inventory levels were down at the end of Q2, how you're thinking about inventory in Q3 and Q4, how you're planning it in terms of deliveries, and your ability to actually get the receipts and everything from that perspective, that would be helpful. Thanks.

Jim Holmes

Analyst · Guggenheim.

Sure, Bob. A couple of things to point out. First, is the exit of our Heritage business is having a benefit on the inventory line. One from exiting the Heritage retail business, but also just the way the held-for-sale accounting works. We closed on selling our Heritage wholesale business. Those inventories at the end of Q2 are not on the inventory lines, we have a benefit from that. But apart from that, our current inventory levels are lean. As Stefan mentioned, partly our disciplined inventory management, buying closer to man, and cutting the unproductive skews is really having a benefit. Also, at the end of Q2, as we've called out, we are experiencing supply chain delays 4 to 6 weeks, which is also benefiting a little bit up -- a little bit. And as we move through the second half, we called out, we are going to be incurring about $0.35 worth of airfreight expense, really to make sure that the inventories are getting -- are keeping in line with our sales forecast. And Bob, if you just -- if you look at the inventory this year versus last year, last year, comparisons get difficult. This time last year, we really have been canceling a lot of orders. So if we were to compare it to 2019, which is probably a better comparison, we expect our inventory levels pretty much to get back in line with future sales growth projections by the end of the year.

Stefan Larsson

Management

And just a bit Bob, just to build on what Jim was speaking about in terms of inventory levels. One thing I've seen throughout my career working with finding a systematic repeatable way to create value from products and how we plan and buy inventory is that when we have demand above what we expected, we tend to be able to sell more with less inventory. So we take this as an opportunity to learn as a team, to say, how do we better plan and buy inventory to demand and how can we have an inventory level in average that's lower in relation to sales than what we historically have had. So this past quarter is a good example of that we can sell more at a higher pricing power with a lower inventory level. So that is something, again, it's a multi-year journey, but this quarter was a proof point on how much of a flow-through down to EBIT rate we can have from lower inventory to demand.

Bob Drbul

Analyst · Guggenheim.

Great. And if I could just do one more question. Can you talk a little bit about the expansion in the Kohl's for Tommy and Calvin, sort of how that's going, how the markets receiving it? Thanks.

Stefan Larsson

Management

Absolutely, Bob. So, so far we launched with Calvin underwear at Kohl's just a few weeks ago. So it's very early read early days, but so far very strong start, both from a consumer demand and pricing power perspective.

Bob Drbul

Analyst · Guggenheim.

Great. Thank you very much. Mike, congratulations. Best of luck, thanks for everything.

Mike Shaffer

Management

Thanks, Bob.

Operator

Operator

We'll take our next question from Michael Binetti with Credit Suisse.

Michael Binetti

Analyst · Credit Suisse.

Hey guys. Good morning. I'll add my congrats. Mike it's been really great to work with you. Jim, welcome to the crew. Stefan, I want to ask you, Europe as we look little bit beyond 2021, as we look at the margins for the international business, obviously Europe being the biggest piece, we looked at pre -COVID, the combined international EBITDA margin s were in that 13.5%, almost 14% range. Again, Europe being the biggest piece. They look like they're running about 500 basis points above 2019 in the first half. You said the order books are positive for spring, summer double-digits. Can you talk a little bit about how sustainable the margins are that we've seen in the international business in the first half of this year, as we think about what to apply next year, which will hopefully be a little bit of more of a normal year that we can try to compare to pre-pandemic business levels?

Stefan Larsson

Management

Yes. Thank you, Michael. So when we look at the second quarter, it's just another proof point on the strength of our European team’s execution. And it's a strength that forms, and I mentioned it in my prepared remarks. It forms of blueprint for us for what good looks like when we execute Calvin and Tommy really, really close to the consumer. So they are operating with a very strong consumer-focus, very strong brand-focused that they translate into stronger and stronger product assortments. And from a channel perspective, they keep moving where the consumer is moving and they do it with increased pricing power across the channels. So I'm very confident and we are very confident in their ability to continue to win with the consumer in Europe and continue to expand. So we see it as a multi-year growth opportunity. Asia -- just, Michael, just to mentioned Asia as well from an international perspective, we are very excited by the improvement in execution by our Asia team, but we can't fully see that in Q2 because of the COVID disturbances, but under the surface, we can see it. So they have the same focus there in connecting where the consumer is going really starting to supercharge e-commerce and driving. They also, today, even though the COVID disturbance, under the surface drive pricing power lower discount rates, higher sell-throughs. So it's a multi-year growth opportunity from strength, in both Europe and Asia.

Jim Holmes

Analyst · Credit Suisse.

Mike, I just want to add. The second quarter did benefit somewhat. In Mike's notes, he mentioned we planned the marketing more second-half weighted than the first half so that is benefiting the operating margins, as well the first month of the second quarter in May, we did have still a lot of store closures in Europe so we don't have that expense base, as well as you know, still receiving rent concessions and some government subsidies on payroll, did benefit Q2.

Michael Binetti

Analyst · Credit Suisse.

Okay. And then maybe I could just follow with North America. I would love to hear, Stefan, some of your thoughts on the past recovery for North America Retail. You've talked to us a lot about how impactful tourism is there, that's pretty clear. I'm just more curious where that business goes until we know, the pace and timing of tourism coming back. Thank you.

Stefan Larsson

Management

Thanks, Michael. So yes, there is a big unreal tourism effect, and a normal year, as I mentioned, 30% to 40% of the business is tourism, now mostly temporarily gone. So what we're doing there with Trisha's leadership, she's still relatively new coming in, but I'm excited by seeing her increased focus, and with the teams on the domestic consumer, focus on executing the accelerated recovery priorities across both Tommy and Calvin. So proof points this quarter is as we see digitally, with digital e-commerce own and operate really taking off. And we see Calvin being ahead there and those learning's we can share, and we are sharing with Tommy immediately. We see that we're starting to lean in, even if it's early days, on the hero product execution. So we see AUR is up. We see discount rate is down. So we -- our focus is on the domestic consumer and the same accelerated recovery priorities as we see in Europe and in Asia. So, but we -- from a regional perspective, from our three regions, we have the most work to do in North America. What excites me today though, is that we're starting to lean into the areas that really matters and starting to connect with that domestic consumer and really leveraged the strength we have in Calvin and Tommy in North America. The underlying customer strength with Calvin and Tommy is for us to improve our execution.

Michael Binetti

Analyst · Credit Suisse.

Thanks a lot, guys. Congrats again.

Stefan Larsson

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Jay Sole with UBS.

Jay Sole

Analyst · UBS.

Great. Thank you so much. I wanted to see if we can follow up a little bit on the sourcing issue, because there's a lot of talk about factory shutdowns, and you mentioned that there's 4 to 6-week delays in getting product. Could you just give us a little bit more information about how you're managing through this? Because it sounds like you're still able to get the units that you need and probably in time for holiday because of airfreight. Is that the case? And how are you managing that? It seems like you're doing a better job than a lot of companies being able to make sure that you get the inventory you need for the key seasons.

Stefan Larsson

Management

Yeah. So we have been doing a really good job through our sourcing and supply teams and brand teams, regional teams to really stay on top of what's happening because it's changing week by week. So today, as we mentioned, we are 4 to 6 weeks in average, on the delays and we are able to prioritize our key categories and hero products. So we have the inventory and that's included in our guidance. So what the guidance we are taking up for the rest of the year includes the supply chain disruption we're seeing right now.

Jim Holmes

Analyst · UBS.

Yeah. And just to add, it's getting back to our inventory disciplines, really cutting some of the unproductive skews is helping because our focus on more basic and core product is allowing us to fill back in perhaps a little quicker, particularly in the underwear category, we're able to airfreight that in fairly quickly to sort of keep us in line.

Jay Sole

Analyst · UBS.

Understood. Maybe and then we can follow up just on the impact of the airfreight expense. I think you said it's going to $0.35, versus, it was $0.19 before. Can you just talk about how that -- what the impact was to the overall margins in Q2 from just airfreight and overall supply chain congestion? And maybe what the incremental change will be in Q3, and how that'll impact sort of gross margin in SG&A?

Jim Holmes

Analyst · UBS.

Yeah, Jay, for Q2 with it's not very -- I mean, it was very minimal basically and then if you were to take, so to speak, in Q3, it's probably worth about -- it's probably worth -- it's 20, 30 basis points or so. It's pretty much spread evenly almost for the second half of the year between the two quarters.

Jay Sole

Analyst · UBS.

Got it. Okay. Thank you so much.

Operator

Operator

We'll take our next question from Dana Telsey with Telsey Advisory Group.

Dana Telsey

Analyst · Telsey Advisory Group.

Good morning, everyone. And congratulations, Mike. Very terrific to work with you. Stefan, you've mentioned a lot of times about the Hero product. What percentage of the business is the Hero product? And I know you were focused on calling SKUs, where are you in that SKU journey. Then I just have a quick follow-up.

Stefan Larsson

Management

Thanks, Dana. So from a Hero product perspective, share of business, it's increasing and it's really increased season-by-season. Because what we're doing is that we're translating the aspirational power of our brands into the key categories and then increasingly focus on the products that are the most essential for the consumer. and there are year-around hero products, there are seasonal hero products, and then we can paint those seasonal and year around products through our collaboration. So you're going to see an increasing share of focus when it comes to our hero products. And then where we are on the SKU rationalization, that's an ongoing work as well. But it starts with the focus, the way we effectively cut unproductive skews is that we start to -- we start when we build assortment to focus on the hero price and then we look at the ongoing demand from the assortment we have. And my experience over the years there is that when we continuously do that in a systematic way, we can cut -- we can keep cutting unproductive SKUs. So every product needs to have an intent that goes into our line. And for fall, as I mentioned, we're cutting 20% of the assortment. So it sounds a lot, but it's just the beginning because we have a history of overproducing SKUs. And now when we focus in and what really matters to the consumer, then we will have over the next few years. We will have a continuous opportunity to tighten the assortment to the SKUs that really matters to win with the consumer.

Dana Telsey

Analyst · Telsey Advisory Group.

Got it. And then on the digital side, digital has been accretive, any change to the level of digital accretion as it's maintained at this 25% rate now?

Jim Holmes

Analyst · Telsey Advisory Group.

Dana, I just pointed out last year Q2 when we had significant store closures, we had really had a spike and our owned and operated e-commerce. So we're up against that in Q2, so we're pleased that we're at least, we're able to maintain that 25% overall digital penetration even with this year. The stores really reopened with a lot more traffic. So we're pleased about that.

Stefan Larsson

Management

And if we look at Q3, Q4, we see our own and operated continued to grow. We see our third-party e-commerce continued to grow and e-commerce, overall, as the penetration over the next few years will continue to grow the fastest.

Dana Telsey

Analyst · Telsey Advisory Group.

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

We'll take our next question from Brook Roach with Goldman Sachs.

Brooke Roach

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

Thank you. Good morning. I wanted to dig in a little bit more on the gross margin. The Company has been showing some strong gross margin momentum fueled by AUR. Can you provide some additional color on the components of this strength? How much of the benefit are you seeing between geographic channel and product makeshift on that hero product category momentum versus what you're seeing industry-wide with lower promotions? And as you look into next year, how much of the strength do you think will be sustainable into future years?

Stefan Larsson

Management

Thank you, Brooke. So starting with, we have a geographic component with the strength of international, for sure. And then on top of that, in each region, each brand, we drive pricing power. We drive pricing power up, so we drive margin -- gross margin expansion through our hero products focus. So it's a combination of there is a geographic effect, but the most important from a long-term growth perspective is the gross margin rate improvement in each brand in each region. And when we look ahead for 2022, we are facing some headwinds when it comes to cost of goods, AUC, and from raw material, prices going up and affecting us just like everybody else. But even when we include that, we are not positive of continuing to drive margin expansion.

Brooke Roach

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

Thank you. And just a follow-up on more of a strategic question here, the Europe business strength has been a key standout for a few quarters in a row now. And in your prepared remarks, you talked to utilizing this success as a blueprint for some of the other regions. Can you talk to maybe the one or two most important components of that blueprint that you are translating into North America and the timeline for seeing some of that success materialize?

Stefan Larsson

Management

Yes. Happy to, Brooke. So I -- if I were to just highlight a few drivers, is Europe's obsession on brand and consumer, starting with the consumer and then unlocking the power of the brand through product and through the right channel mix, and driving pricing power and high-quality sales growth. And that's something that they execute really well and that's what I refer to in that we're seeing similar strength in Asia under the surface because of the COVID effects in Q2. But we are seeing the same type of FX positive performance coming out of Asia and China. And then that's where we have the most work to do in North America, starting with the domestic consumers. We still have this lingering tourism, negative tourism effect for a while. But once we have that coming back, it's about winning more with the domestic consumer in the same way as we do in Europe and Asia. And then we have the benefit of the international tourists coming back.

Brooke Roach

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

We'll take our next question from Lorraine Hutchinson with Bank of America.

Lorraine Hutchinson

Analyst · Bank of America.

Thank you. Good morning. I wanted to focus on marketing for a minute. You spoke about the increased investment in the second half. Is there a tilt to that toward a particular brand or geography? And then how has your marketing plan changed now that the digital penetration has remained so high?

Stefan Larsson

Management

Yes. So thank you, Lorraine. So from a marketing perspective, we are increasing our marketing investments in the back half, as Mike mentioned in his remarks, across both brands, and across regions because we see the consumer -- we are now in a accelerated recovery phase and we see the consumer coming back. And the marketing is focused on the key consumer moments. So now, we're starting to move into fall, and then we are rapidly going to come into transition into holiday, and those holiday moments in North America, Asia, and Europe is what we are backing up with marketing. And it's a mix between digital marketing for e-commerce and marketing to drive to our brick-and-mortar sales as well. One aspect that we see is driving increasing engagement is the collaborations, as I mentioned in my prepared remarks, and we're just in the beginning of that. And when we look at Calvin and Tommy, as two of the most iconic global power brands in the sector, they in themselves work as a platform for creativity, and that's what we see with Heron Preston for Calvin Klein, or the latest Romeo Hunt with that, Mr. Hilfiger connected us to. We see that the connection between our iconic brands and external creativity that it's really powerful to drive engagement with the consumer.

Lorraine Hutchinson

Analyst · Bank of America.

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

All right. And we'll take our next question.

Stefan Larsson

Management

Yes, and this will be our last question.

Operator

Operator

Okay. Thank you. We'll take our last question from Kimberly Greenberger with Morgan Stanley.

Kimberly Greenberger

Analyst

Thanks so much for squeezing me in. Stefan, I was very interested in your comments on Asia. I mean, it's very clear looking at the Europe results that the performance there is just fantastic and well above expectations. But it sounds like you're feeling quite hopeful about the improvement and execution in Asia. And I wanted to know if you could just talk to us a little bit more about what is changing there, and how, let's say if we can look through the COVID volatility here over the next quarter or two, what are you thinking about kind of medium-term strategies to grow in that geography? Thanks so much.

Stefan Larsson

Management

Thank you, Kimberly. Yes, so we are optimistic when it comes to Asia and what we're seeing -- again, below the surface is that we're seeing that the increased focus in connecting our brands to where the consumer is going in Asia and with a special focus on China, is we are supercharged in digital, and that is paying off. And we are increasing our focus on winning with products through pricing power, and that is paying off. And then we see further improvements that our management team there is doing successfully, which is to plan and buy inventory closer to demand. So they have been able to be much more flexible now, given that we have been hit by COVID resurgence in Asia. It feels like more than in any other region over the last quarter, and they have been able to navigate that really well. So it's just an increased focus on the accelerated recovery priorities and our teams there coming together and executing really well. And that's where the similarities between the Europe blueprint and the Asia execution is getting closer and we see more of that because we can take away the COVID effect. And so that gives us the confidence long-term.

Kimberly Greenberger

Analyst

Fantastic. That's great. And just one follow-up on the inventory if I could, I'm wondering if there is a good way for us to think about how much inventory you will be able to take out of the system compared to, let's say, 2019 levels. So if we think about a future year when you would get back to the 9.4 billion in revenue, would you be able to generate that 9.4 billion on 5% less inventory, 10% less inventory? I'm just wondering how we should think about the magnitude of inventory efficiency that you expect to achieve over the next couple of years. Thanks so much.

Stefan Larsson

Management

We won't be able to give you the specific numbers, but what we will be able to give you is that our focus is very clear, which is to drive inventory decisions, both how we plan inventory, and how we buy inventory closer to demand, and we'll throughout the quarterly updates give you updates on what kind of inventory in relation to sales levels we will receive. But it's clear to all of us that we have a lot of value to be created from that. And we're already on it. But it's early days, so over time we'll be able to share exactly what that will look like.

Kimberly Greenberger

Analyst

Thanks so much.

Stefan Larsson

Management

And with that, we want to thank you. And look forward to connecting with you next quarter.

Operator

Operator

And that does conclude today's presentation. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.