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Qorvo, Inc. (QRVO)

Q1 2026 Earnings Call· Tue, Jul 29, 2025

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Operator

Operator

Good day, and welcome to the Qorvo Inc. First Quarter 2026 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Please note, this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Douglas DeLieto, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Douglas DeLieto

Analyst

Thanks very much. Hello, everyone, and welcome to Qorvo's Fiscal 2026 First Quarter Earnings Call. This call will include forward- looking statements that involve risk factors that could cause our actual results to differ materially from management's current expectations. We encourage you to review the safe harbor statement contained in the earnings release published today as well as the risk factors associated with our business in our annual report on Form 10-K filed with the SEC because these risk factors may affect our operations and financial results. In today's release and on today's call, we provide both GAAP and non-GAAP financial results. We provide this supplemental information to enable investors to perform additional comparisons of operating results and to analyze financial performance without the impact of certain noncash expenses or other items that may obscure trends in our underlying performance. During our call, our comments and comparisons to income statement items will be based primarily on non-GAAP results. For a complete reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP financial measures, please refer to our earnings release issued earlier today available on our Investor Relations website at ir.qorvo.com under Financial Releases. Joining us today are Bob Bruggeworth, President and CEO; Grant Brown, Chief Financial Officer; Dave Fullwood, Senior Vice President of Sales and Marketing; Philip Chesley, President of High Performance Analog; Eric Creviston, President of our Connectivity & Sensors Group; Frank Stewart, President of our Advanced Cellular Group as well as other members of Qorvo's management team. And with that, I'll turn the call over to Bob.

Robert A. Bruggeworth

Analyst · Piper Sandler

Thanks, Doug. Welcome, everyone, to our call. Qorvo delivered a strong first quarter of fiscal 2026 with notable achievements across our 3 operating segments. Beginning with ACG, we continue to leverage the breadth and performance advantages of our cellular product portfolio. For our largest customer, we supply 4 categories of highly differentiated products. They are antenna tuners, high- performance filters and switches, integrated modules and envelope tracking power management. Qorvo's envelope tracking PMIC for this customer has been custom developed to pair with our internal baseband, and this represents a durable multiyear content opportunity. In HPA, our growth investments are in defense and aerospace and power management. Defense and aerospace is HPA's largest market by revenue, and we expect durable year-over-year growth in D&A supported by increases in U.S. and allied defense spending. In power management, we are leveraging our leadership in PMICs and motor controls to diversify across markets, including consumer, defense and aerospace, industrial and enterprise and mobile. Growth applications include enterprise and AI data centers, wearables, drones, robotics, smartphones and advanced power management solutions for AESA radars. In CSG, we supported Wi-Fi access points and flagship smartphones with Wi-Fi 7 front ends while also aligning with market-leading chipset providers to develop next-generation solutions for Wi-Fi 8. CSG is also leveraging our ultra-wideband and Matter portfolio to scale new use cases and diversify revenue. Ultra-wideband is our third largest investment area, providing Qorvo a significant long-term opportunity for diversification and growth as applications proliferate. We are engaged broadly across markets and maintain a robust ultra-wideband sales funnel with over $2 billion of qualified opportunities. Now turning to strategic highlights by market. In the automotive market, Qorvo's ultra-wideband technology enables a range of automotive use cases such as secure access using smartphones and smartwatches in addition to key fob…

Grant A. Brown

Analyst · Barclays

Thanks, Bob, and good afternoon, everyone. Qorvo's fiscal first quarter revenue of $819 million, non-GAAP gross margin of 44% and non-GAAP diluted earnings of $0.92 per share all compared favorably to guidance. During the quarter, our largest customer represented approximately 41% of revenue. On the balance sheet, as of quarter end, we held approximately $1.2 billion in cash and equivalents. We currently have approximately $1.5 billion of long-term debt outstanding and no near-term maturities. We ended the quarter with a net inventory balance of $638 million. This represents a slight sequential reduction and a decrease of $89 million on a year-over-year basis. During the quarter, we generated operating cash flow of approximately $183 million and incurred $38 million of CapEx, which resulted in free cash flow of $145 million. From an operational perspective, the closure of our Costa Rica site remains on track, and we anticipate a smooth transition. We continue to expect this action will be completed early next calendar year as we move production and complete the sale of the facilities. As Bob mentioned, we have also decided to close our manufacturing facility in North Carolina to further consolidate our internal factory footprint. The closure of a wafer fab requires more time than the closure of a packaging, assembly and test location, and we currently expect the associated cost efficiencies to benefit non-GAAP gross margin beginning late in fiscal '27. In order to transfer our SAW filter production out of North Carolina, we have begun to bring up a new production line in our Texas location and we'll be working closely with customers to ensure a seamless transition. For modeling purposes, shutdown and restructuring activities, such as those related to the closure of our North Carolina and Costa Rica sites are excluded from non-GAAP results. Conversely, the operating…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] The first question comes from Thomas O'Malley with Barclays.

Thomas James O'Malley

Analyst · Barclays

Nice results. So I just want to start off with the seasonality of this year. It looks like things are tracking kind of relatively in line with 2024 in the June quarter. If you look at the remainder of the year, you guys had previously kind of talked about the largest customer kind of being flat to slightly up modestly, but you're kind of reiterating this view that there's double-digit growth in content fall launch over fall launch. Can you talk about the disconnect there? And is December kind of normal seasonal, which gets you to that kind of goal? Just help me understand the seasonality as it compares to last year, just given the strong content up year-over-year.

Grant A. Brown

Analyst · Barclays

Tom, this is Grant. Thank you for the question. Let me start off maybe just with the December question, and then I'll get to the full year. In December, typically, seasonality would show that we ship a little bit earlier into the fall ramp. So we would generally see a September quarter that's slightly higher than December. There's no change this year to what we believe the ramp profile would look like. Again, it really depends on how things play out unit-wise. But in terms of the full fiscal '26 year, the last time we provided a full year guidance was in January, and that was prior to the increase in any macroeconomic uncertainty around the tariff dynamics. At that time, our January forecast called for '26 revenue to be roughly flat with fiscal '25, excluding the $30 million of revenue from silicon carbide, which we've since divested that was in fiscal '25. At this time, we're not updating our full year at this stage, but I can walk through some puts and takes by business segment beyond just ACG. But in ACG, our outlook is still for a single-digit decline, and that's unchanged. We remain on track to exit the $150 million to $200 million of low-margin business as part of our strategic portfolio shift there in Android 5G. And we currently expect about 2/3 of that year-over-year decline in the Android business will occur in the second half of fiscal '25. So that's yet to come in the second half, which gets to at least partially addressing your December question. At our largest customer, we remain encouraged by the recent strength, and we're seeing unit volumes there on existing platforms come in to our expectations and strong as well as the content gain that we see of 10% or more on the ramping platform, which is encouraging. And some of the changes we've seen in terms of the top line for fiscal '26 are in CSG, which is trending below our earlier expectations due in part to an automotive customer delaying a program ramp there that included our ultra-wideband SoC. That program is now anticipated to ramp in fiscal '27. So we continue to expect year-over-year growth for CSG. However, it will be in the low single digits versus 10% to 12% as we guided previously. And then lastly, our expectations for HPA remain unchanged and on track for strong double-digit growth this year in D&A, a rebound in infrastructure tied to the DOCSIS upgrades and some other positive tailwinds we can get into. While we're encouraged by the first half strength that we've seen, we're also mindful of the seasonality in smartphones in the back half as we shift the portfolio away from mass tier Android. But overall, we remain very confident in the strategy, the execution and our strong strategic position.

Thomas James O'Malley

Analyst · Barclays

And then just to dive down on to the Android point there. So you gave a little extra color this quarter, talking about Android like the $240 million range. That's up 16% sequentially by my numbers, maybe give or take where people have March set up. But you guys have previously said kind of up slightly. Is that dynamic something that you think is more of a pull forward? Or do you think that's customers kind of coming to you, "Hey, you're exiting the business. This is the end of the life here. We want to take a couple more products before you're done producing." Just maybe explain the dynamic there and what happened versus your original expectations.

David Fullwood

Analyst · Barclays

This is Dave. I'll take that one. So yes, I mean, if you look at the Android ecosystem, we've got customers in China as well as globally. And in the premium tier, remember, we're not exiting that part of the market. So we talked, I think, last time about some share gains that we have in the second half at our large Korean customer. And so we're starting to see the benefit of that as that starts to ramp up. We've also got really good content in a U.S. customer that Bob mentioned in his prepared remarks, and that's ramping now as well. So I think that's some of the dynamics you're seeing. We talked about China a little bit earlier, and we do see a little bit of buffering probably there with some of the uncertainty in the trade dynamics. And so there's probably a little bit of that going on in China. But we've still got engagements there in the high tier, but that business is definitely declining as we head into the back half of the year.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Harsh Kumar with Piper Sandler.

Harsh V. Kumar

Analyst · Piper Sandler

I also wanted to echo my congratulations. These are extremely great and awesome results. I had 2 as well. I think you're moving to the 50% or 48% to 50% gross margin mark a lot faster than I think I had anticipated personally. And I was curious, you've got a bunch of things going on. You're exiting businesses. You're doing fab rationalization. But if you were to say which of those initiatives have probably the maximum amount of swing factor that's driving your margins up so much higher, maybe I would be very curious to understand what's making the margins go up so much faster if there's one that's more impactful than the other? And I've got a follow-up.

Grant A. Brown

Analyst · Piper Sandler

Sure, Harsh. Thanks for the question. If you look at gross margin, at least in Q1, the driver there sequentially is largely mix. But on a year-over-year basis, it's up largely due to cost improvements. You'll see that we've taken some significant actions on the factory footprint. Some have yet to come, but a number of them in terms of reducing costs, you're starting to see in gross margin. There's also an improvement in mix. We've seen growth in the defense and aerospace area, which helps from a business mix perspective. And we've also exited the silicon carbide business, which was dragging against our gross margin profile. And finally, we've moved our Wi-Fi business from an underloaded North Carolina fab to an Oregon fab that's higher volumes, and we're seeing a benefit there. So I would say that the single largest theme in terms of gross margin improvement is both cost reductions and the other actions we've taken.

Harsh V. Kumar

Analyst · Piper Sandler

Okay. And I assume that applies to September quarter as well?

Grant A. Brown

Analyst · Piper Sandler

Yes. That's a continuation of a lot of the same trends.

Harsh V. Kumar

Analyst · Piper Sandler

And then for my follow-up, you talked a lot about increased content, which you're seeing on the internal modem, but I wanted to ask about the mid-high pad. I believe you are a legit supplier in the Android ecosystem of that pad. And I think from my understanding, you have a window at a large U.S. customer. Is -- am I to assume with the kind of growth that you're talking about in your content that you have a shot at it or you won something or maybe there's contribution there? Or is it just the internal modem proliferating through the ecosystem of phone models?

Robert A. Bruggeworth

Analyst · Piper Sandler

Harsh, this is Bob. I'll take that. So for this falls launch, the team did a great job of delivering dollar content growth that both Grant and I have talked about over 10%. But as far as next year's phone, which is where I think you're hitting, we do remain confident in our position with our largest customer. But there are 2 factors that we consider when we look at the business there. One is technical, one is commercial. In terms of technical, the technology that we're delivering and our product development we've done, we're delivering results, and we're laser-focused on execution. So I like how the team is progressing there. Commercially, with the expiration of a certain long-term supply agreement, that's also helping us. And as we've looked and we've talked about this before, the expansion of their SKUs where they launched the 16E, which, to your point, we did have ET PMIC on the internal modem. These all create opportunities for us. So we think we positioned the business nicely, but we'll see how it all plays out next year.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Christopher Rolland with Susquehanna.

Christopher Adam Jackson Rolland

Analyst · Susquehanna

Really great results here. So I guess, first of all, just following up on the gross margin progress. So this is probably for Grant here. So you guys did mention you could hit high 40s this year and you're going to do that, it looks like. But you mentioned you could hit 50% next year. I was wondering if maybe we could get an update there. And as we look forward into next year, perhaps you can walk us, give us a gross margin walk, what's contributing to what in terms of that improvement?

Grant A. Brown

Analyst · Susquehanna

Sure, Chris. This is Grant. Let me take that one. As we look forward beyond fiscal '26, they're largely the initiatives that we've discussed, right, the Costa Rica and North Carolina closures, and we'll be moving into fabs that will be more heavily loaded. So that will be beneficial. We'll be changing the business mix, and we'll have growth in D&A above our corporate average. So that will be margin accretive. We're laser-focused on reducing cost. That's an ongoing activity, and we'll be able to benefit from that. But in terms of giving any guidance out into fiscal '27, other than to say we expect gross margin to continue to improve. I won't be providing any incremental guidance today. In terms of walking the overall fiscal '26 improvement, the vast majority of it, as I mentioned, was really cost related and due to the factory actions that we had taken previously. There is some inventory improvement there, better excess obsolete, better quality and yields, other items. But for the most part, the lion's share of the improvement is a direct result of those factory actions and business growth we're seeing in margin-accretive areas because of the capital we're allocating to those businesses.

Christopher Adam Jackson Rolland

Analyst · Susquehanna

Okay. Just a clarification and then another question, I apologize. But it sounds like it's like $15 million a year, if I got that right, from those fab rationalizations there, which is a little under 1%, if you just confirm that I got that math right. And then the second question is actually for Bob. So Bob, you did better than expected for June and September, it seems like here. Any idea on how much, particularly at your largest customer was pulled in? And then Qualcomm has talked about an expectation of 30% internal modem at your largest customer. Is that your expectation as well in the September guidance?

Grant A. Brown

Analyst · Susquehanna

Maybe let me start, Chris, with the first part of your question, and then I'll let Dave or Bob respond. The $15 million would be relevant for the North Carolina fab closure. We said it would be between $10 million and $20 million of cost in fiscal '26 in order to bring up the SAW line in our Texas location and that we would benefit at least that much every year thereafter once the line goes live. So I would say that's on the low side and likely related simply to the North Carolina facility.

Robert A. Bruggeworth

Analyst · Susquehanna

And Chris, as far as architectures go at our largest customer, we'll stick with our standard line, though. We're not going to comment on that. But clearly, it is our expectations over time that they will use more of their internal modem and the percentage will only grow. Dave, do you want to take the other part you asked?

David Fullwood

Analyst · Susquehanna

Yes, sure. Hey, Chris. Yes, as far as your question about pull-in demand, I mean, the strength we're seeing is primarily driven by the underlying demand fundamentals we mentioned in the prepared remarks around unit strength and content gains in smartphones as well as increased spending and expanding content in defense and the broadband infrastructure upgrades. So those are the major drivers. Outside of handsets, we're not seeing any pull-in activity. The channel inventories are healthy and customer behavior supports normal demand patterns. In fact, in some areas, we're seeing the opposite that we do believe is related to tariffs and especially in our motor control business for power tools and garden equipment, we're starting to see demand pushed out just because of the uncertainty around the tariffs and trade policy concerns there. In handsets, we're benefiting from the seasonal ramp we talked about and further supported by some of the content gains, not only our largest customer, but I mentioned Samsung as well and others. But we have seen some limited component inventory buffering due to the tariff dynamics, mostly in Android and some of that's associated with factory optimization as our customers try and optimize their factory footprints to the different geographies they're shipping to. So we estimate that to be in the range of about $15 million to $30 million of added buffer that could be out there, and we expect that will be reduced back down to normal throughout the rest of the calendar year. Now having said that, we're projecting our China Android business will be down sequentially about $30 million to $40 million in this quarter and then down again in our fiscal Q3. So all of that's contemplated in our guidance. And we continue to monitor these dynamics closely, and we're going to continue to take disciplined and conservative approach to the back half of the fiscal year. And I just do want to point out, we haven't changed our internal smartphone unit assumptions that we started the year with. So we're kind of maintaining our position there as well.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Jim Schneider with Goldman Sachs.

James Edward Schneider

Analyst · Goldman Sachs

I was wondering if you could maybe comment a little bit on the defense business. Clearly, it seems like it's tracking a little bit better than what you expected. Can you maybe talk about whether the step down was less than you expected in the quarter? How much you expect the defense vertical would be up specifically in September? And then maybe as a separate follow-on, can you maybe sort of address the M&A potential, specifically in that defense area that you see out there in the market? Do you see more or less opportunities in that vertical? And maybe kind of talk about the price or valuation environment you see for both defense and broader HPA acquisitions?

Grant A. Brown

Analyst · Goldman Sachs

Sure. Why don't we let Philip, do you want to cover the business and then I can talk to the M&A environment?

Philip J. Chesley

Analyst · Goldman Sachs

Sure. So I think the strength that we're seeing is not -- I mean, we -- It's not different than what we had forecasted. I think as Bob mentioned, we're seeing really just our design opportunities in our funnel grow significantly. I think Bob mentioned that we had increased it by over $2 billion in a quarter. We are really critical in most comm, radar, satellite, SATCOM systems with the U.S. government. And I think what we're seeing is when the administration first came in, there was a lot of executive orders. And I think it took some time for our customers to kind of digest that and understand kind of what the priorities are. I think as that is starting to become understood what the priorities are and kind of figuring out where things are going, we're seeing that as a tailwind in the near term as well. So again, I think we -- whether it's a radar platform, whether it's a drone, whether it is a satellite, there's just a tremendous amount of opportunity in front of us. And I think we're well positioned to get our unfair share.

Grant A. Brown

Analyst · Goldman Sachs

Maybe on the M&A front, the D&A space remains a very attractive area for us. To Philip's point, our strength there with customers and other technologies could lead us to be a better owner of certain businesses. And so we're actively looking in that space. It's generally margin accretive for us and where the valuations make sense and there's a strategic merit for the transaction, we are expecting to be active. Beyond that, it's a typical deployment of our cash to return value to shareholders in a disciplined manner.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Joe Moore with Morgan Stanley.

Joseph Lawrence Moore

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

In terms of the tariff-related kind of buffering, I guess, why isn't there more of that? I would feel like given the dynamic of kind of shifting tariff potential, that would just be people to have a little bit more inventory. I guess just what are those conversations like? And is there any kind of pushback on you from your customers saying, we need to pass along component savings to mitigate this? Any price pressure or anything you might see from that?

Grant A. Brown

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

It's difficult to precisely isolate it, right, especially as you're coming off of a new seasonal pattern in our largest customer and with the launch of the spring model that included our ET PMIC, which was new content. And we're in the early stages of a fall ramp where we've achieved greater than 10% content gains, which is new as well. So given the preliminary sell-through data we're seeing, most of the strength that we're seeing aligns with the phones that are being purchased, whether it's third-party data or the carriers themselves. But I don't know.

Robert A. Bruggeworth

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

The only thing I would add to that is the only area where we're seeing the tariffs impact that Dave mentioned, it's the battery-operated power tools. That's the one area, clearly, we've seen it where it's not even buffering. They're just holding off on their production plans to figure out where they're going to make things around the world until they understand what the tariffs are going to be. But as for the other parts of our business, large defense obviously doesn't matter. Brand covered the phones. We're not seeing it in other areas. The only area was in primarily is in the battery-operated power tools area.

Joseph Lawrence Moore

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

That's helpful. And then as my follow-up, you mentioned CSG kind of delay and a little bit lower full year. Just anything we should be aware of there in terms of how to model the rest of the year? Is there a discrete falloff? Or is that just something that just ramps a little later than you had thought?

Grant A. Brown

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

It's something that will affect the top line there. In terms of the growth for the year, like I said, it would be in the single digits versus the kind of low double digits as we had communicated in the past. That would have been something that would have happened later in the year. So it's pushing to fiscal '27. As you think about that business, it's really the combination of our Wi-Fi business and our SoC business. As Bob pointed out, our SoC business is the third largest investment next to our mobile business initiatives and our DNA franchise. The SoC business within CSG is generating annual revenues right now of around $60 million. So the pushout is meaningful as you think about that particular business, and it's incurring around $100 million of OpEx. So this is a meaningful shift for the CSG segment under the Qorvo consolidated results.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Krish Sankar with Cowen and Company.

Krish Sankar

Analyst · Cowen and Company

I had 2 of them. First one is kind of a clarification. On the pull-ins, is the pull-ins mainly in June quarter? Or are you also seeing pull- ins in the September quarter? And within that amongst your largest customer, how much of the current generation RF and power products are common or share the 2026 model? And then I had a longer-term question for Bob after that.

Grant A. Brown

Analyst · Cowen and Company

Sure. So [ reason ] to quantify it, David already said earlier that we were expecting maybe $15 million to $30 million that we would expect to see, and that's all incorporated in our guidance. So the unwinding of that in our September quarter and throughout the rest of the year is all contemplated in what we've been talking about today. If there's anything more to add or you can ask Bob in your second question.

David Fullwood

Analyst · Cowen and Company

Yes. And what Grant referred to and I answered earlier, that's our component inventory. From everything we can see that what we're shipping is being built and sold through. So that $15 million to $30 million we're talking about is just some buffering that we've seen around our component inventory, mostly in China. but in other areas as well as customers optimize their factories and maybe in response to tariffs or other reasons as they move production from one factory to another.

Krish Sankar

Analyst · Cowen and Company

And then just like a longer-term question for Bob. Bob, kind of curious your thoughts on Edge AI implications for smartphones and RF. It seems like there's -- from an RF standpoint, you need more uplink MIMO capability and also, I mean, the phones need to be upgraded to Power Class 2 for Edge AI situation, which could happen as early as the 2026 iPhone launch. I'm kind of curious your view on Edge AI and what it implies for RF content on a go-forward basis?

Robert A. Bruggeworth

Analyst · Cowen and Company

Thanks for your question. I think you're correct that we are going to need more and better RF. That's something we say all the time. Frank, I don't -- I think you can handle that question, and we've had a lot of discussions about exactly those things. We're not so much hung up on is it being driven by AI. It's just always the carriers want to get people on and off the network faster, particularly as you continue to load more and more data. So whether it's being driven by AI or not, that's secondary to us. What we're focused on is how they keep changing the architectures to drive more and better RF. So Frank, do you want to handle that?

Frank P. Stewart

Analyst · Cowen and Company

Yes. No, it was a great question and simply stated, yes, I agree with you. If we take you all the way back to our Analyst Day, we talked about 5G advanced as something that was going to continue to drive RF content, more and better RF in the phone. And a few of the examples we referenced were exactly things that you highlighted, additional both downlink and uplink RF pass in the phone and an increase in power levels in multiple bands, therefore, expanding the power Class 2 levels from just 1 or 2 bands to multiple bands in the phone. So yes, I think you hit on exactly what we expect to see over the next few years.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Gary Mobley with Loop Capital.

Gary Wade Mobley

Analyst · Loop Capital

I wanted to respectfully push back on some of the guidance you're giving for fiscal year '26. Essentially, you're upsizing fiscal year '26 or at least the first half by about $100 million versus your prior soft views or hard views. And that's the difference between having revenue flat for the year or growing 3%, but yet you're saying only $15 million to $30 million of that upside is coming from pull forward. So is this a situation where the year is off to a great start, but it's just too early to upsize your fiscal year '26 outlook? Or is this really a deep root of concern about tariff pull forwards?

Grant A. Brown

Analyst · Loop Capital

Hey Gary, this is Grant. Let me try to take a stab at your question. I mean, generally speaking, as we said, there's upside in demand that's broad-based. It's not just smartphones, we're seeing it in our growth in our D&A business. And then for the full year, I talked about some of the puts and takes by business segment. So we're seeing a push out of some revenue for CSG into fiscal '27 because of a large automotive program there, which changes the full year. We're seeing of 2/3 of our $150 million to $200 million of our Android business that we expect to decline in fiscal '26 will also hit the second half. And then on top of that, we do have the overhang of macroeconomic uncertainty. So the combination of all of these factors are leading to our internal views on the full year and why we're not providing an update to our early comments in January.

Gary Wade Mobley

Analyst · Loop Capital

And just my follow-up, I wanted to ask about practicality of separating ACG from the RF businesses of HPA and CSG. How much -- how tight is coupling from an R&D or from a manufacturing perspective are all 3 of those businesses on the RF side?

Grant A. Brown

Analyst · Loop Capital

Sure. So I'll take a first pass, and then I'm sure Bob and Philip would want to weigh in as well. The businesses themselves are rather tightly coupled. They share factories that share process engineering. They share product development in certain cases. There are BAW filters, for example, that are used in defense applications that are also used in Wi-Fi applications for CSG. There is a significant amount of overhead that's the same across the different businesses. And in fact, there's a lot of learning that happens, whether it's base stations to the smartphones themselves or just customers that are shared, for instance, mobile customers across CSG and ACG, for example. So there is a considerable amount of shared resources amongst all the businesses. It's also true that commercially, our defense businesses appreciate -- our defense customers anyway, appreciate the scale that we have from the size of our high-volume factories that are serving our mobile customers and vice versa, our mobile customers appreciate the commitment we have to our production lines and the technology advancements and the diversity of our revenue base and stability that comes along with the DNA business and other areas. So there's a lot of shared resources and shared positive sentiment amongst the customers across the businesses.

Robert A. Bruggeworth

Analyst · Loop Capital

The only thing I'll add, Grant, is they all use the same Oregon, Hillsboro fab for gas, all 3 business units.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Chris Caso with Wolfe Research.

Christopher Caso

Analyst · Wolfe Research

I guess the first question, just a clarification of sort of what the Android business looks like exiting the fiscal year given all you said. And I think what my interpretation is you'd be sort of at China Android of about maybe $20 million to $30 million exiting the year. But I guess I'm not sure if that's complicated by some of the inventory buffering. If you could clarify kind of where you think China Android is at the end of the year.

Grant A. Brown

Analyst · Wolfe Research

I think -- and maybe just a clarification, Chris, on your question. Did you say exiting the year at $20 million to $30 million of Android-based China business?

Christopher Caso

Analyst · Wolfe Research

Yes.

Grant A. Brown

Analyst · Wolfe Research

Okay. I think that's on the low end. There's still a bifurcation of their product portfolio. They have flagship and premium tier devices, and we'll still look to participate in those. The customers will make their own cost and performance trade-offs amongst the parts, but they'll still need to remain competitive if they want to field a device that's going to sell well. And consequently, we'll be able to sell into the higher end of their portfolios. It won't be in the -- likely in the $20 million to $30 million range. It will probably be higher than that, but the trend is down over time as we continue to execute on our pricing strategies and move forward. As we've commented on this last quarter, our China-based Android revenue was just under $100 million, and it will be trending lower over time.

Christopher Caso

Analyst · Wolfe Research

That's helpful to calibrate us. A follow-up question was on Samsung. And there's 2 dynamics there because I think you're also exiting some of the midrange there, but you're still focused on the high end. I guess 2 questions there is, as you look into next year, given the exit of the midrange, some of the gains in the high end, what do you think happens to the Samsung business there? And then secondly, in the event that Samsung is more successful with their internal chipset, which they're trying again on that, is that a benefit for Qorvo content?

Robert A. Bruggeworth

Analyst · Wolfe Research

I'd be glad to take the second part. The answer is yes. We would love for them to be successful with their internal baseband across business units, not just ACG.

David Fullwood

Analyst · Wolfe Research

Yes. And you're right about exiting the mass tier there as well. It takes longer. The design cycles are longer. Sometimes they use things for multiple generations. So you can kind of think of it very similar to how our China business is, but further out in time. And so we've got some strong business still remaining there in the mass tier as well as some of the flagship I talked about. So that will kind of continue on. And it will be about a year probably behind the China business. And as we look forward to the -- we talked a little bit about our success in the second half flagship. As we look forward in the first half flagship next year, we do expect that our content will probably decline there. They're not introducing any new technology from an RF standpoint. And so the opportunity there for more competition to come in goes up. And so we'll -- you'll probably see some decline in our content on the spring model.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Karl Ackerman with BNP Paribas.

Karl Ackerman

Analyst · BNP Paribas

With the SAW line moving your Richardson facility, which follows the consolidation of your Farmers Branch facility into that business -- into that fab 2 years ago, I guess, are you at or near full utilization in the Richardson facility? And then at what point do you need to significantly add capacity here as we think about the free cash flow generation of this business? And I have a follow-up, please.

Grant A. Brown

Analyst · BNP Paribas

Sure, Karl. This is Grant. No, we have room there in our Richardson facility to expand and add the SAW line. We've improved the die size and overall device size of a number of our products over the years meaningfully, and that effectively increases your capacity as you don't have to run as many wafers to produce more die that are smaller. So we've been very successful at the die size reductions and again, other device reductions in order to accommodate all of the BAW filter production that moved in from Farmers Branch as well as the projected SAW demand that we will move there from our North Carolina facility.

Karl Ackerman

Analyst · BNP Paribas

If I could just go back to, I think, Gary's question a bit. Given there seems to be no change in your smartphone unit assumption this year, I think you've been pretty consistent about double-digit content gains as your largest customer. There doesn't appear any clear signs of tariff pull-ins. And I believe this -- the Android headwind of roughly $150 million was also consistent. So I suppose barring macro uncertainty and maybe some pushout of CSG from automotive, those seem to be the 2 primary variables that would dictate whether we would move from what was the initial outlook of flat year-over-year growth? Or are there any other mechanics that we should consider when thinking about the growth rate for this year?

Grant A. Brown

Analyst · BNP Paribas

No, I think you're considering everything that we've said. Look, we could be wrong if we're overly conservative. We'll see how the unit volumes play out over the course of the year as well as the mix of those unit volumes as we see over the course of the year. That can meaningfully change our top line, obviously, depending on share shifts amongst the handset providers.

Operator

Operator

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to the management for closing remarks.

Robert A. Bruggeworth

Analyst · Piper Sandler

We want to thank everyone for joining us on tonight's call. We appreciate your interest, and we look forward to speaking with many of you at upcoming investor events. Thanks again, and let's have a great evening.

Operator

Operator

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