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Q2 2018 Earnings Call· Sun, Aug 12, 2018

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Operator

Operator

Good morning. My name is Chris, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Ritchie Bros. Auctioneers' Second Quarter Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers’ remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Thank you. I will now turn the call over to Mr. Zaheed Mawani of Investor Relations to open the conference call. Mr. Mawani, you may begin the conference.

Zaheed Mawani

Analyst

Good morning, and thank you for joining us on today's call to discuss our second quarter 2018 results. I'm joined this morning by Ravi Saligram, our Chief Executive Officer; and Sharon Driscoll, our Chief Financial Officer. Also with us today for the Q&A portion of the call will be other members of the leadership team. The following discussion will include forward-looking statements as defined by the SEC and Canadian rules and regulations. Comments that are not a statement of fact, including projections of future earnings, revenue, gross auction proceeds and other items, are considered forward-looking and involve risks and uncertainties. The risks and uncertainties that could cause our actual financial and operating results to differ significantly from our forward-looking statements are detailed in our SEC and Canadian Securities filings available on the SEC and SEDAR websites, as well as our Investor Relations website at investor.ritchiebros.com. Our definition of gross transaction value may differ from those used by other participants in our industry. It's not a measure of financial performance, liquidity or revenue and is not presented in our statement of operations. Our second quarter results were made available yesterday evening after market close. We encourage you to review our earnings release and Form 10-Q, which includes our MD&A and financial statements which are available on our website as well as EDGAR and SEDAR. On this call, we'll discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures. For the identification of non-GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measure and a reconciliation between the two, see our earnings release and Form 10-Q. Presentation slides accompany our commentary today. These slides can be viewed through the live or recorded webcast or downloaded from our website. All figures discussed on today's call are in U.S. dollars unless otherwise indicated. I'll now turn the call over to Ravi Saligram, our Chief Executive Officer. Ravi?

Ravi Saligram

Analyst · TD Securities. Your line is open

Thank you, Zaheed. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining our second quarter earnings call. GTV growth in the second quarter was up 14% on a reported basis and up 3% on a like-for-like basis. Our agency proceeds were up 24% versus prior year on a reported basis and 12% on a like-for-like basis led by strong live and online auction performance, robust price realization across all channels, positive new customer acquisition and buyer fee contribution. Adjusted diluted EPS was up 27%. Overall, these results are encouraging, considering the very high level of equipment utilization and fewer live selling days in second quarter versus last year. Let me review how the second quarter highlights. First, I am pleased to report our U.S. business had an excellent quarter after enduring several tough quarters of equipment supply challenges and working through a complex integration. The U.S. team led the company in like-for-like growth in the quarter, which is an extremely positive sign. U.S. revenues were up, led by strong live auction comps, together with the largest ever online quarter postacquisition. Let me repeat. Largest ever online auction quarter. These are tangible proof points demonstrating that a combined teams are more confidently embracing multichannel as part of the solution dialogue with our customers and actively driving new customer acquisition. Our U.S. Strategic Accounts group, in particular, after a very tough first quarter, came back strongly and had its best performance in the last 8 quarters with 84% of our Strategic Accounts grew, driving new acquisition transactions in the first half. After a year as a combined company, I'm pleased to report that our sales teams continue to show stabilization with our turnover now significantly below 2017 levels, but voluntary turnover at the lowest point since 2014. I'm proud of my team's effort…

Sharon Driscoll

Analyst · TD Securities. Your line is open

Thank you, Ravi. Turning to our consolidated second quarter results. GTV growth of 14% in the quarter was driven by the acquisition with 3 full months of IronPlanet in this quarter compared to only 1 month in Q2 of 2017. In addition, we saw strong performance across both live and online channels, partially offset by the impact of changes to our auction calendar, most notably the shift of Grand Prairie and Moerdijk auctions from June to July. We also saw a modest increase in higher-value items in all channels, particularly in the categories of hydraulic excavators, crawler tractors and articulated dump trucks, contributing to an increase in average price per sold item and GTV growth. Offsetting some of these positive drivers is the increase in overall age of equipment. The percentage of equipment in our sweet spot of 3 to 5 years is down roughly 200 basis points year-over-year as this late-model equipment has been impacted the most by the strong economic conditions in the U.S. and higher utilization rates in the rental sector. The total revenue growth of 22% and agency proceeds growth of 24% was driven by the acquisition, higher inventory revenue supported by strong at-risk commission rates plus the increased fee revenue as a result of the partial fee harmonization implemented in the first quarter. On an adjusted basis, our operating income increased 27% to $64.8 million versus the second quarter of 2017, which excludes approximately $24 million of nonrecurring acquisition-related costs and an asset impairment charge we incurred in Q2 of 2017. The increase in adjusted operating income was driven by growth in agency proceeds and improved cost leverage, offset partially by approximately $5 million of higher year-over-year depreciation and amortization expenses as a result of the amortization of intangibles from the acquisition. Adjusted diluted EPS…

Ravi Saligram

Analyst · TD Securities. Your line is open

Thank you, Sharon. Our second quarter has built on the early momentum from the first quarter. Our GovPlanet business continues its positive trajectory. In the first half, the team led a highly effective rollout of the DLA nonrolling stock contract making the program now fully operational. The team established operations to receive inventory at 70 Department of Defense bases and it's an additional 200 facilities across the U.S. We also moved responsibility for state, local and municipal business from our regionally-based territory managers to the specialized government services team. The sector-focused specialized-government sales team is already yielding strong results with 70% year-over-year increase in state and local sellers through the first half of 2018. Our GovPlanet team also established a second weekly auction on Tuesdays for nonrolling stock surplus, in addition to the Wednesday auction of the rolling stock. We continue to be bullish on the government business as we mobilize to capture more share of our highly-fragmented market opportunity and believe that it'll be a strong growth driver for us. Our online performance was certainly a bright spot in the quarter. We are now seeing progress, particularly with the U.S. sales team consigning more frequently and with higher volumes through the weekly online auctions. This was the key focus during the quarter as Jeff Jeter, our U.S. President and I conducted 8 regional roundtable town halls, meeting with all of our 200 territory managers, strategic account managers and sales managers and directors across the country, called The Hearts and Minds Tour, to get laser focused on driving new customer acquisition and embracing online. We socialized very specific metrics to measure individual TMs and SAMs online performance. And solicited TM and SAM feedback on barriers to driving online. One such barrier the team identified was the inability to act quickly…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from Cherilyn Radbourne with TD Securities. Your line is open.

Cherilyn Radbourne

Analyst · TD Securities. Your line is open

Thanks very much and good morning. First question was – I was just hoping you could give us a bit of perspective on what same-store GTV growth in Q2 and in July would have looked like, if not for the movement of Grande Prairie and Moerdijk auctions into July instead of June?

Ravi Saligram

Analyst · TD Securities. Your line is open

I don't know if we have the exact percentages, Cherilyn, but...

Sharon Driscoll

Analyst · TD Securities. Your line is open

Yes, most of the costs flow with the sales. There might be a few additional sales that came into June to prepare for the sale. But most of the cost basically go with the auction.

Ravi Saligram

Analyst · TD Securities. Your line is open

But you could probably go back and look at history on our websites on what Moerdijk and Grande Prairie did last year. And that should give you some sense of it since we have those metrics.

Cherilyn Radbourne

Analyst · TD Securities. Your line is open

Okay. And then in terms of the inventory sales in the quarter, it looked like there were net proceeds of about $12.5 million in Q2. And I was just hoping for some historical perspective on that result and whether that's a repeatable number?

Sharon Driscoll

Analyst · TD Securities. Your line is open

So Cherilyn, those inventory deals are deal-by-deal results. And so they vary significantly depending on the economics of each particular deal. We've had strong quarters and we've had weaker quarters. We do tend to look at that. If you recall, that is only the profit on the actual sale of the asset and it does not include the fees and additional revenue streams that are also related to selling that asset that are included in the services revenues.

Ravi Saligram

Analyst · TD Securities. Your line is open

And one other thing Cherilyn is really, because inventory deals are part of our underwritten business, and this business is disposition business, inventory deals dependent on full dispersals. They come up opportunistically around the world at different times. Sometimes you have highs, sometimes you have lows. And frankly, that's one reason why we continue to think that agency proceeds is really the way to run the business and model things. We'd encourage our investors to look at agency proceeds because you have constancy and history really judge us in like-for-like performance, because revenues in the standard accounting sense – because now with the accounting standards has inventory deals, those are very volatile. And you can drive yourself not trying to model that because we, for sure, cannot figure out or forecast where the next inventory deal will be. So we would strongly encourage. And those analysts and investors, again, if there's not clarity on the differentials or how to think about it, Zaheed will be more than happy to take people through that.

Cherilyn Radbourne

Analyst · TD Securities. Your line is open

Okay, thank you. That’s my two questions.

Ravi Saligram

Analyst · TD Securities. Your line is open

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Derek Spronck with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Derek Spronck

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open

Good afternoon. Are you seeing any sort of changes in the structural equipment supply issue – I'm sorry, do you see any change in the equipment supply environment, and do you think there is an element of it being structural due to the fact that the equipment dealers are focused more on the total – capturing the total economics lifecycle of their equipment that they have it within their own businesses?

Ravi Saligram

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open

Sure. Hi, Derek. So a couple of things. Our – we only get anecdotal evidence on those and then we see the public filings. I think most of the OEMs are reporting based on their earnings calls and scripts that we have seen that there is – continues to be new equipment backlogs and supply shortages. So and the fact that I think I had mentioned in my prepared remarks, that this equipment backlog, new equipment backlog of the OEM dealers, I think that has been splitted over the fact that the supply-demand imbalance has not got harmonized yet. And also the fact that now as many OEM dealers are doing more rental business. So I think – but those rentals, especially OEM dealers, like to churn those faster, but I think they are just waiting for new equipment to catch up. Having said all that, to me, at least, as far as Ritchie Bros. is concerned, I'm taking the supply stuff off the table in the sense. We just can't – we don't control it, so what's the point about – that's what I've told our sales teams. Don't give me all of that. Go find new customers that has large enough markets. Go figure it out. Find new customers, and that's why we are focus on execution, and that's why we've been able to start delivering growth because I don't want us to just milk existing relationships. I mean their existing customers are very important to us, but we have got to be hunters, not just farmers. So to me the supply thing, we don't have the crystal ball. Very tough for us to think about it or talk about it. Let's focus on what we can control, which is driving execution, getting new customers.

Derek Spronck

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open

That makes sense. Just on the front about being a hunter. Sales productivity on a quarter-over-quarter basis declined a little bit. Is that because you are being more aggressive hunting for that equipment and having to incentivize for that? And how do you see the trend in your sales productivity going forward?

Ravi Saligram

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open

So I think the main cause, rather than talking about the quarter-to-quarter variation on it, to me it's more – the important thing is the IronPlanet legacy sales team had a certain level of GTV they sold, which was significantly less than RB just because of the model. And I think we've declared what that was. I think it was like 7% versus 12%. So there's a period time for them to catch up. They're getting – I'm very impressed with our IronPlanet sales team, since they are beginning to take on the live auction and they've all embraced it extremely well and are doing well. And conversely, our legacy RB sales teams beginning to sell online. So there'll be a period of harmonization. And overtime, as each sales team, the legacy sales team to learn to sell each of the product more and more with the learning curve. And then recognize there's also new people coming in who are not legacy IP or RB, and it takes time for them to ramp up, because of the turnover that we have, we have to bring a lot of new people. In this business, it takes a year to 2 years to start ramping up. So all those factors combined. But Jeff and I, in particularly in the U.S. and Karl and Brian, but in the U.S. in particular where there's the biggest issue, we are very confident that sales productivity will continue to improve overtime and will be a major driver for us. We feel very good about how the progression's happening. And this quarter really gave us encouragement because our legacy sales teams, the RB sales team in particular started embracing online more.

Derek Spronck

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open

Okay, I appreciate the color, Ravi. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next lesson comes from Ben Cherniavsky with Raymond James. Your line is open.

Ben Cherniavsky

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is open

Good morning guys.

Ravi Saligram

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is open

Hi, Ben.

Sharon Driscoll

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is open

Good morning.

Ben Cherniavsky

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is open

By the way, I think it's probably sensible and I applaud your decision to stop publishing the monthly data, because it's just not comprehensively helpful anymore. So that was a good move.

Ravi Saligram

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is open

Thank you, Ben.

Ben Cherniavsky

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is open

My question just on – I guess, going back to the inventory sales. And for sure I understand how difficult that is to predict. But if you strip out the ebbs and flows of the underwritten business, like this does the market opportunities change, how would you define your ability to make money on those deals? In other words – and I'm just going to use the old auction revenue rate metric here because it's just more familiar to me, but to the extent that, that auction revenue rate is going up and has been going up, does not, to some extent, reflect your ability to evaluate deals and make better money on them. When they come into your hands. And if so, why wouldn't you become comfortable in saying that number sustainably higher?

Sharon Driscoll

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is open

Ben, I'll tackle that. Again, we are very confident in our at-risk positions we take in with the deals. I think what we're seeing right now is the access to that type of deal is not as readily available as we would like, simply as the markets are pretty hot and customers don't feel that there's risk. So therefore, they are preferring to either go down the path of a less of inventory purchased or guaranteed proceeds. They're actually going to a straight-rate basis. So as a result, when we actually – when we look at the quarter, we did perform very strongly on all of our at-risk and inventory deals. And that would have been well above our normal rate positions that we've talked about. But I think we're just being cautious that we see that as part of the supply demand imbalance. And as we start to see that balance come back into the marketplace over time, we just want to make sure that we are not kind of over egging those rates. We also see that competition is also very fierce on those packages and want to basically, just give ourselves enough room to be able to compete, to continue to drive the business forward.

Ravi Saligram

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is open

And Ben, I'll add something. I think – and yourself have been a major proponent of those, which is how we pushed our – the team's too much on at-risk rates and are we leaving GTV behind. And in fact in the supply constrained times, we've been very vociferous with our sales teams to not leave deals behind, and that we'll worry about the rates. Now we are just – with our – with the network effects that we have, with our very strong data analytics capability, and the knows that our people have, the larger the deal, the better we usually do. Occasionally, yes, it will be in our history. Have a few deals that will go south, absolutely. But we are just getting better and better. That's a muscle that I think without being overly braggadocious over the last 4 years, there's 1 place where we have actually made some good improvement. It's on the underwritten side. I just think, as Sharon pointed out, where the deals come from, we don't know. Like we just got an amazing deal in Gabon in Africa that we have been looking at for over a year, and suddenly, all the stars align and we were able to make it. And so it's just these larger deals, they are not so predictable. That's our only thing. And in terms of taking the rates up more, yes, it will steadily increase. We just didn't feel with 1 quarter, you just want to kind of move it off. And we want to have the flexibility. I'd rather get more underwritten volume because I still think we are down from historic highs on that.

Ben Cherniavsky

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is open

Okay. I mean that's a lot of color in it and I appreciate that. But I still think that if you are getting better at the underwritten business, which I think is evident and should happen as you scale and do better data analytics, then that number should move up overtime.

Ravi Saligram

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is open

I don't know if I'm going to think further, Ben. I'm Sorry.

Ben Cherniavsky

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is open

Okay. I mean, I guess, there is also an element of market swings, like you're going to be – it's higher probability that you make good money in a rising market. And when conditions change, there is a higher probability that it's tough to make the same margin, right?

Ravi Saligram

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is open

Yes. And once we start, you don't want to embed it in stone. And the other thing is, sectors are different. Right now construction is very hot, and if you happen to get a big deal in construction, you probably do fairly well. But the same is not true for ag because ag markets, especially in Canada, are quite soft. And ag, it could be completely different and vary. The thing is – especially if the size of that, and transpiration somewhere in the middle. So I think the sectoral thing also matters. But I think we feel pretty comfortable that – because our job is based on everything we know to give our best view, and so that's where it is.

Ben Cherniavsky

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is open

Okay. If you can count that as a – I have a quick follow up. Just on the Evergreen Model. I'm curious why you guys elected to take GTV as the target, and focus on just have some revenue growth. I mean is that indicative of a share of wallet that you're just trying to drive more fees from an existing customer base? Or what would be – why would organic GTV growth not be something that you guys would drive towards?

Ravi Saligram

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is open

Yes, I think, Ben, look, GTV is definitely very significant driver part of our business. And we certainly acknowledge it, understand it and are very focused on it. However, GTV as we've changed quite a bit, and our business models and things and our – like, in the government business, the relationship with the revenue versus GTV is quite different. So the services business has no GTV. So when you look at this quarter, for instance, where we had, I think, like-for-like 3% GTV and 12% agency proceeds growth, there is a little change. So I think we completely understand because we are not just about driving rate. We've got to keep focus on volume, but for the Evergreen Model, we just felt that really the starting point is really agency proceeds. And that's what we want to – that's where – that doesn't diminish its importance, but that's a marker we want to put down as opposed to when we were just a pure live auction company.

Ben Cherniavsky

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is open

Right, okay, fair enough. Thanks very much.

Ravi Saligram

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is open

Thank you, Ben.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Scott Schneeberger with Oppenheimer. Your line is open.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Oppenheimer. Your line is open

Hey, guys. It's Daniel on for Scott. Can we talk a little bit about the visibility for the back half of the year when it comes to GTV growth in international markets? Elaborate a little bit on your expectations there, please?

Ravi Saligram

Analyst · Oppenheimer. Your line is open

Daniel, our international markets have done well in the first half. And so far, we feel very good about what that team is doing. And we're not seeing any major shifts in how they will continue to progress and perform. The one area which is very soft for them is the Middle East just given all the political turmoil around that. But we feel very good about how Asia is doing, how Australia is doing, how parts of Europe are performing, and I'll leave it at that.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Oppenheimer. Your line is open

Second one for me. Can we also – help us think about the SG&A expectations in the back half and margin progression?

Sharon Driscoll

Analyst · Oppenheimer. Your line is open

Sure. It's Sharon. I'll take that. So we've kind of guided – if you go back to the slide that shows SG&A by quarter, Q3 as you recall is one of our smaller quarters. So we would expect it to trend more similar to how our Q1 SG&A rate went. So that being said, we should see some improvement. We're thinking kind of 55% to 57% of revenue or agency proceeds is what you should be thinking about. And then depending on what your projection would be for agency proceeds, at some point, SG&A starts to act fixed. So we would say that you should not be factoring into your models anything more than $100 million in SG&A for Q3.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Oppenheimer. Your line is open

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Scott Fromson with CIBC. Your line is open.

Scott Fromson

Analyst · CIBC. Your line is open

Hi, folks. Just a quick question. Is there a point where the Ritchie Bros. would look at opportunities to use its technology, and know how to deploy its other verticals rather as a principal or as a partner. I'm kind of thinking of the similar model to the online food retailer, Ocado in the U.K., which is a signed partnership agreements to deploy its IP in new geographies?

Ravi Saligram

Analyst · CIBC. Your line is open

Yes, Scott, let me take that. Yes, we're – you're right about the fact that I'm very excited about our technology platform. However, there's a lot of work and growth potential right now in our core business and we need to fulfill that. We still are embryonic in the U.S. on agriculture. We have got to solve for that. We've not cracked the code. And so that is something we've got – to us, it's almost like a new vertical there. So that's something our focus will be on. And we have, opportunistically, the whole classic cars, while it's not strategic, it is an opportunistic thing for us. IronPlanet is already hosting like – so that is something we looked at it. Long term, are there opportunities? Absolutely. But I think in the near and medium term, we don't want to get distracted. We've got to stay focused on our core. Let's – there's opportunity here. We don't want to get distracted. When I say it's all about execution, it's really meaning very laser focused on our priorities. And right now I think there's still room and the only provision is the agriculture that I mentioned.

Scott Fromson

Analyst · CIBC. Your line is open

Thanks, that’s very helpful. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Maxim Sytchev with National Bank Financial. Your line is open.

Maxim Sytchev

Analyst · National Bank Financial. Your line is open

Hi, good morning. Ravi, I was wondering if you don't mind maybe updating your comfort level around the 40% EBITDA margin that we're talking some way back in terms of being able to attain that level of profitability?

Ravi Saligram

Analyst · National Bank Financial. Your line is open

I'll let Sharon take that.

Sharon Driscoll

Analyst · National Bank Financial. Your line is open

Yes. Hi, Max. I think we are very pleased that Q3, on a standalone basis, we delivered 39% EBITDA margin, which is actually getting back into kind of more of our historic level. So we certainly, as we are looking forward, we certainly see no reason to change our targets. We are driving it on 2 fronts, getting sustainable revenue growth that will basically help to bring that leverage, operating leverage to the bottom as well as very consciously containing costs. We are 1 year into this transaction, so we have much better visibility around our overall cost structures and where opportunities for efficiency are. So we are still very confident that, that's a very much achievable target.

Ravi Saligram

Analyst · National Bank Financial. Your line is open

The only thing I'll add there, Maxim is that, and Sharon has already mentioned it but I'm just – reinforce it, that we are not just going to rely on a revenue growth and continue to drive that. But we've already done a pretty good job of delivering on the synergies we promised in year 1. And we'll continue to deliver on our promise for year 2. But we'll also look for additional ones. And just really for me it's very important – and for our team, executive team, it's very important that we get that flow-through back on track because that is the beauty of the RB model and I was very pleased the 39% EBITDA margin. But other part of it is sequentially in first quarter, we – like-for-like grew agency proceeds 10% and cost growth was 7%. In Q2, it was 12% and 8%. So if you look at that ratios, first quarter it was 70%, 66% in the second quarter, and we want to progressively keep getting that down. Ideally at some point, and I can't tell you when, but we want to try to get where cost growth gets to half the rate of revenue growth. So if we get to a nice flow-through, and that we are very committed to, so EBITDA margin of 40%, just a marker. It's arithmetical calculation. The key drivers are making sure that cost growth is significantly lower than revenue growth. That's the message. And we are very committed in sharing this very – we've got the whole organization is focused on it.

Maxim Sytchev

Analyst · National Bank Financial. Your line is open

And do you mind, maybe, talking about the timeframe around being able to get to that level where the costs grow at half the revenue progression, if that's possible?

Ravi Saligram

Analyst · National Bank Financial. Your line is open

I think at this point, rather than just – because it's – we are working our way to it. Our job is to try to sequentially improve and I just like to leave it at that.

Maxim Sytchev

Analyst · National Bank Financial. Your line is open

Okay, now that’s helpful. Thank you very much. That’s it for me.

Operator

Operator

This concludes the Q&A session for the conference. And I'd now like to turn back to CEO, Ravi Saligram, for any closing remarks.

Ravi Saligram

Analyst · TD Securities. Your line is open

Thank you very much. We appreciate all your support onwards and upwards.

Zaheed Mawani

Analyst

Thank you, everyone.