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Q4 2021 Earnings Call· Fri, Feb 11, 2022

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Operator

Operator

Hello, and welcome to today's IAA, Incorporated Fourth Quarter 2021 Earnings Call. My name is Billy, and I will be the moderator for today's call. All lines will be muted during the presentation portion of the call, with a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions]. I would now like to pass the conference over to our host, Arif Ahmed, Vice President of Treasury. Arif, please go ahead.

Arif Ahmed

Analyst · Baird. Craig, please go ahead. Your line is open

Thanks, Billy. Good morning everyone and thanks for joining us today for IAA's fourth quarter fiscal 2021 earnings conference call. Speaking today are John Kett, Chief Executive Officer and President; and Susan Healy, our Chief Financial Officer. After John and Susan have made their formal remarks, we will open the call to questions. Before we begin, I would like to remind you that certain comments made during this call regarding our plans, strategies and goals and our anticipated financial performance constitute forward-looking statements and are made pursuant to and within the meaning of the Safe Harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Such forward-looking statements are based on management's current assumptions and expectations and are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from such statements. Those important factors are referred to in IAA's press release issued today and in the Risk Factors section included in our annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 27, 2020, filed with the SEC on February 22, 2021 and in the Form 10-K for the year ended January 2, 2022, which we expect to file on or near February 25, 2022. The forward-looking statements made today are as of the date of this call, and IAA does not undertake any obligation to update these forward-looking statements. Finally, the speakers will refer to certain adjusted or non-GAAP financial measures on this call. A reconciliation schedule of the non-GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures is available in IAA's press release issued today. A copy of today's press release may be obtained by visiting the Investor Relations page of the Web site, www.iaai.com. I'll now turn the call over to John. John?

John Kett

Analyst · Stephens. Daniel, please go ahead

Thanks, Arif. Good morning everyone and thank you all for joining us for our fourth quarter and year-end earnings call. Today, I'm going to talk about some highlights from our fourth quarter and full year performance. I'll then provide an update on our key strategic initiatives, including our strong buyer base growth, our product advancements for both our buyer and seller customers and our expansion in the UK market. I'll then make some comments on our outlook for 2022, before I turn the call over to Susan Healy, who will review our financial performance and outlook in more detail. We ended 2021 with a solid fourth quarter performance in line with our guidance and which did include the impact from Hurricane Ida. Underlying our full year performance was the further strengthening of our digital marketplace and the impacts of the macroeconomic environment, both of which contributed to strong revenue per unit trends. For the quarter, we delivered growth in revenue and adjusted EBITDA of approximately 33% and 19%, respectively. And this performance helped us deliver full year organic revenue growth of 29% and organic adjusted EBITDA growth of 36%. So let's talk about the supply side of our marketplace. We are pleased with how we delivered for our customers in 2021, particularly late in the year with our response to Hurricane Ida. The strong execution of our cash strategy resulted in exceptionally fast pickup and strong sell through of vehicles, which was recognized and appreciated by our customers. In fact, throughout 2021, we continue to make strong progress on the supply side customer base. We gained new customers and successfully renewed and expanded agreements with several key accounts. The success included national insurance companies in the top 10 and several regional and smaller carriers. However, there is one large customer…

Susan Healy

Analyst · Stephens. Daniel, please go ahead

Thank you, John. I will focus my discussion today on our adjusted non-GAAP results and touch on some key highlights. Please see today's press release for more details on our financial performance and our methodology when calculating non-GAAP results. As John discussed, Q4 results were in line with our guidance and capped off a strong fiscal 2021 performance. For the year, we delivered organic revenue growth of 28.8% coming from a 21.3% increase in ARPU and a 9.2% increase in volume versus fiscal 2020. Organic adjusted EBITDA grew by 35.9% as the sales increase was accompanied by gross margin expansion as well as leverage and adjusted SG&A. As a reminder, fiscal 2021 was a 53-week year with an extra week in the fourth quarter. For the 53rd week, revenue was approximately $28 million and adjusted EBITDA was approximately $11 million. Turning to our fourth quarter results in more detail. Consolidated revenues increased 42.9% year-over-year to $548.1 million. Organic consolidated revenue, which excludes the impact of foreign currency and revenue from the Auto Exchange and SYNETIQ acquisitions increased 32.8% to $509.4 million due to an increase in ARPU of 21.6% and the volume increase of 9.2%. ARPU growth was driven in part by the strong used car pricing environment, which results in higher proceeds in our auctions. Used car prices have continued to grow throughout the year, with the Manheim Index increasing 15.3% sequentially in the fourth quarter. At this point, we believe that used car pricing will remain elevated at least through the first half of 2022. ARPU also benefited from our initiatives to drive higher auction proceeds, including enhancements to our merchandizing platform, interact, and the growth in our global buyer base, which increases auction liquidity and drives higher returns. Volume growth in the quarter benefited from the extra…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions]. Okay. Our first question comes from Daniel Imbro from Stephens. Daniel, please go ahead.

Daniel Imbro

Analyst · Stephens. Daniel, please go ahead

Yes. Hi. Good morning, everybody. Thanks for taking our questions. On the margin guidance, I think there’s a little bit of confusion. I think the midpoint, it's a little over 26% EBITDA margin. You guys haven't done that since, call it, 2016 I think. And then back when you were in physical auctions, you just called out 81 million in total cost savings since then. Can you just provide some more color on maybe -- or can you quantify the different buckets of the cost headwinds that are causing this substantial -- or the more, larger step down in margins that you're guiding to for next year?

Susan Healy

Analyst · Stephens. Daniel, please go ahead

Sure. When you think about our business and our margins, and you're trying to compare it to where we are in the past -- where we were in the past on a gross margin basis, the difficulty with doing that is our business has a higher mix of purchase vehicles than it was then. So we go along apples and oranges in terms of the revenue line. When we are looking at next year's margins, the biggest impact next year is similar to what we've reported on for this year, which is the mix of purchase vehicles just keeps going up. And it goes up because of our international business growth, the acquisition of SYNETIQ and the opportunities we're seeing in the U.S. market to give you a guide. We disclosed in our press release the impact on the year-over-year margin in 2021 of the purchase vehicle mix. We'd expect the year-over-year impact in 2022 versus 2021 to be similar.

Daniel Imbro

Analyst · Stephens. Daniel, please go ahead

Okay. So I think the 220 basis points in the fourth quarter, that's part of the step down. The rest is just cost inflation. Since you guys guided to this, can you just quantify me with more specificity what the headwinds you’re in are?

Susan Healy

Analyst · Stephens. Daniel, please go ahead

Got it. Just to clarify, the 220 was the impact of purchase vehicle mix quarter-over-quarter and the full year number was 170. So that sort of sits somewhere in between those two will be the impact of 2022 versus 2021. And the other really big impact is towing costs. So we call this out, gosh, I think starting in Q2 and definitely when we reported Q3 and Q4 that we were seeing an increase in towing costs. Originally where it has hit us the most was in the CAT for Hurricane Ida. And so we had to pay a premium for towing resources there to service our providers, which made sense and was the right business decision for us, long-term economics as well as strategically. What we then began to see was a knock on impact of that. So when you're attracting these towing resources to one market, you're going to see an impact all across the country. We experienced that in Q4. And so when we look out to 2022, again, nobody has perfect visibility. But we don't see anything that shows that those cost pressures are abating, especially because they are very similar to what other companies are experiencing across the economy in terms of you hear it in other company reports in terms of transportation costs, in terms of labor costs due to the inflationary pressures in the economy. We're not seeing anything that's going to have those abate. So that's what we've baked into our guidance and that's the other factor that's pressuring our margins in 2022?

Daniel Imbro

Analyst · Stephens. Daniel, please go ahead

Okay, that's helpful. And then maybe a longer term question on margin. Just when used vehicle prices moderate, whether that's 12, 24 months particular timeframe, what is the right earnings power of the business? When you look at it, what is the right long-term EBITDA margin that you guys think you can achieve in the business?

Susan Healy

Analyst · Stephens. Daniel, please go ahead

I'll answer that thinking about the drivers, right, because you mentioned one of the drivers is used car prices and we've definitely benefited from that. And our ARPU has been driven by a combination of that used car pricing, but then also a lot of the things we're doing for self help to drive higher proceeds in our auctions. It's been a mix. If and when used car price increases slowdown, there are other levers in our business, most particularly volume, right? The leverage in our business comes foremost from volume. We have had a market share loss that John discussed from one provider, a large customer who's not going to be such a large customer going forward. But we've had a number of gains. And maybe I'll let John address that. So there's the volume side of the equation. And before I turn it back to John, one other thing on margins is there's our margin expansion plan, there's the efficiencies that we still have on our plate in towing and labor costs. And if inflationary pressures abate in terms of used car prices, we would expect that to also allow us to focus on those opportunities as well. John, do you want to give more color?

John Kett

Analyst · Stephens. Daniel, please go ahead

Yes. Thanks, Susan. So a couple of other comments, Daniel, one on the volume front, the other effect of monitoring used car prices, all other things being equal, would be more total losses because of the ratio of repair to value. So as values come down, you would expect more vehicles to actually then be totaled. So that would be supportive on the volume side. The other thing that I would say is that used car pricing is a driver of value. But again, the things that we're doing around bringing more buyers to the auction, the things we're doing around providing additional services to make things easier to do business with us, that's going to drive higher bidding. And so to us, those are things that -- that's the self help I think that Susan referred to, as well as embedded in them in the margin expansion plan is pricing optimization. So we are doing other things to make sure that we're optimizing the services and products that we offer that we're charging the appropriate fees for. So all those factor into as we think about the long-term profit profile of IAA.

Daniel Imbro

Analyst · Stephens. Daniel, please go ahead

Okay. I'll hop back in the queue. Thank you.

John Kett

Analyst · Stephens. Daniel, please go ahead

Thanks, Daniel.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Craig Kennison from Baird. Craig, please go ahead. Your line is open.

Craig Kennison

Analyst · Baird. Craig, please go ahead. Your line is open

Hi, thanks and good morning. Just wanted to follow up on the revenue guidance of 1.5% to 7% organic growth. Could you help us unpack that and share what your broad range assumptions would be for volume and ARPU within that guidance?

John Kett

Analyst · Baird. Craig, please go ahead. Your line is open

Sure, yes. I think, again, we do see recovery in miles driven, which from a base volume driver, that's a really important one. And then on ARPU, our view is that used car prices are going to remain strong through most of 2022. There's differing reports out there now about how long it will last. But certainly from the most recent information, it seems like it's pushing later in the year versus earlier. So I think both of those are positive. But those are big drivers. So to the extent that we don't see the same level of recovery or as insurance companies think about that total loss frequency, if they do in fact, then total less cars. That's kind of the downside of our range is trying to take all those things into account.

Craig Kennison

Analyst · Baird. Craig, please go ahead. Your line is open

That's helpful. Thanks, John. And then with respect to ARPU, there's a lot of focus on used car prices, rightly so. But internally, you have initiatives like the price increases you've pursued or incremental fees from new services, like an Internet buying fee or loan payoff. Are there any sort of internally-driven ARPU drivers that you're excited about in 2022?

John Kett

Analyst · Baird. Craig, please go ahead. Your line is open

We have a number of things that yes, that we are excited about. For competitive reasons, I can't really go into them. But yes, we are really -- as part of our whole margin expansion, really taking apart all the things that we do and making sure that we are charging for them appropriately. So there are other things that we are working on.

Craig Kennison

Analyst · Baird. Craig, please go ahead. Your line is open

Thanks. I'll get back in the queue.

John Kett

Analyst · Baird. Craig, please go ahead. Your line is open

Thanks, Craig.

Arif Ahmed

Analyst · Baird. Craig, please go ahead. Your line is open

Thanks, Craig.

Operator

Operator

Thanks, Craig. The next question comes from Stephanie Moore from Truist. Stephanie, please go ahead. Your line is open.

Stephanie Moore

Analyst · Truist. Stephanie, please go ahead. Your line is open

Hi. Good morning.

John Kett

Analyst · Truist. Stephanie, please go ahead. Your line is open

Good morning, Stephanie.

Arif Ahmed

Analyst · Truist. Stephanie, please go ahead. Your line is open

Good morning, Stephanie.

Susan Healy

Analyst · Truist. Stephanie, please go ahead. Your line is open

Good morning.

Stephanie Moore

Analyst · Truist. Stephanie, please go ahead. Your line is open

I think it might be helpful to just provide us an update or overview on how some of the contracts with your insurance customers are structured these days in terms of any kind of changes in auction providers. I think historically, it's always been these are sticky contracts, multiyear, so that makes them pretty steady. While I think it's a positive, we're kind of at the end of the share shift with this known customer. Maybe just give us an update on how these contracts are structured. Just broadly speaking, I think it would be helpful just for information purpose. Thank you.

John Kett

Analyst · Truist. Stephanie, please go ahead. Your line is open

Great, Stephanie. Thanks. Yes, they really haven't changed the way you've described them. I've always talked about the provider approach in a couple of different ways. National, very centralized and then there are carriers that while they may have central decision making allow decisions to be made at a region or geographic basis. That for the most part hasn't changed. Over a longer term, there was a lot more decentralized decision making for the most part among the big carriers and even in midsized carriers. That is for the most part centralized. So I don't think that's changed. So yes, the way that we approach and the way that they are interacting with us, it really hasn't changed that much I would say. It's pretty similar to how you just described it.

Stephanie Moore

Analyst · Truist. Stephanie, please go ahead. Your line is open

Got it. And then just as a follow up, so the ability for any insurance carrier to make a decision to shift volume positive or negative, how is that determined? And just if that makes sense kind of in the realms of the contract. So, I guess the leniency or the ability intra-year to say, okay, well, I'm going to give more volumes here or take volumes away. How does that work in a standard contract? And I realize every contract's fairly different but just kind of broadly speaking?

John Kett

Analyst · Truist. Stephanie, please go ahead. Your line is open

Yes, most agreements provide for the ability for a carrier to add or change within the way the contract is set up. That's very typical that they could move. It doesn't mean they're going to, but it gives them flexibility for the most part to make those kinds of changes.

Stephanie Moore

Analyst · Truist. Stephanie, please go ahead. Your line is open

Got it. And then switching gears to just the towing inflation, I think we all are familiar with what's going on with freight costs and labor costs. But you mentioned the ability to leverage your app a little bit more. Are there any other opportunities just with maybe contractual agreements or spot agreements to kind of lessen the impact of towing costs or at this point, are you kind of just at the mercy of the market? So any color there on abating some of the higher towing costs still in your size would be helpful?

John Kett

Analyst · Truist. Stephanie, please go ahead. Your line is open

Yes. We're taking a lot of actions to try and optimize routing and just try to make the dispatch and pickup process as efficient as we can. So that even if we're paying more on a gross basis, we're trying to make it as efficient as we can. So those towers [ph] can pick up more cars within the confines of how we've set up agreements with them. So using driving adoption of our app has been really important to that, because it does allow us a lot of efficiency and the ability to really see where a tower is relative to the vehicles we're trying to get picked up. And then we're also trying to really automate to the extent we can the payment process, because that is a fairly inefficient process of getting funds to clear the advanced charges that Susan talked about that we pay on the frontend. That's another bottleneck in the process that to the extent we can automate and make those transactions electronic, we can speed that up too. So those are all things that we are very actively working on and implementing as we go.

Stephanie Moore

Analyst · Truist. Stephanie, please go ahead. Your line is open

Great. Thanks so much.

John Kett

Analyst · Truist. Stephanie, please go ahead. Your line is open

Thank you, Stephanie.

Operator

Operator

Thank you, Stephanie. The next question comes from Bob Labick from CJS Securities. Bob, please go ahead. Your line is open.

Bob Labick

Analyst · CJS Securities. Bob, please go ahead. Your line is open

Good morning. Thanks for taking our questions. I wanted to dig -- just keep digging a little bit on the towing costs and the variable costs in general I guess in the service components just to get a sense. Can you give us the components of the service COGS line? How much are fixed and how much are variable? And then how much are the variable up? Is there an ability to put in surcharges on towing or what are the best ways to address the increase in the variable costs that have kind of skyrocketed here?

John Kett

Analyst · CJS Securities. Bob, please go ahead. Your line is open

Yes, Bob. Hi, good morning. Yes, I think a couple of things. One, certainly with some of the things I just talked about on towing, we're certainly trying to implement those. We do have a two-sided marketplace with revenue on both sides. So how we are able to offset this, we're looking at different ways to do that. But really, our primary focus is on trying to mitigate and control the costs, because they are -- we're seeing those pressures that we've been talking about now for several quarters. So I don't think we typically disclose kind of the fixed versus variable, but obviously towing is the primary variable cost that we see. And then as you begin to move into kind of reconditioning and then labor and then real estate, you're starting to move more into the fixed element of it, because you need to have people in a branch. And obviously, our real estate expansions, which we've talked about that we've grown to support the growth of our business and our customers business, that from a fixed perspective adds costs as well. Susan, anything to add to that or --?

Susan Healy

Analyst · CJS Securities. Bob, please go ahead. Your line is open

I think you've covered the major components, yes.

Bob Labick

Analyst · CJS Securities. Bob, please go ahead. Your line is open

Okay. Thanks. So it sounds like the -- sequentially, cost of service was up $60 million. It sounds like the majority of that is towing. That would be my interpretation. Okay. Switching topics from just the expenses, wanted to just kind of get back to the other part of the business. You mentioned I think close to a quarter of the cars are non-salvage. Obviously, you have a non-compete from the spin agreement. How is the kind of dealer car right now a component of your sales and what do you think that will look like in a couple of years when the non-compete ends? Because obviously that's a big, growing potential part of the market and you guys have a very liquid and big buyer base that would be attracted to that. So maybe talk a little bit about the non-salvage growth opportunity and how that maybe changes as soon as the non-compete ends or during this time period please?

John Kett

Analyst · CJS Securities. Bob, please go ahead. Your line is open

Great, Bob, yes, so just to be real clear, non-insurance. So many of the cars we sell for dealer fleet rental are actually salvage title. So just to be real clear. That 25% is -- 75% of our business is insurance, 25% is sort of everything else. But that market, while we do have a non-compete in place from the spin, it didn't necessarily preclude us from servicing this market. It put some royalties in place if we grew it above a certain level. We've been very transparent that we're going to continue to grow that business despite in the short term royalty payments we might have to make, and there are some literal restrictions that we have to comply with. But we continue to service that market. I think you said it well and repeating a little bit of what I said that we do believe that our marketplace is really strong for not the entire sort of whole car world, but there's a segment of vehicles that we really think we are the best venue for. So we are going to continue to capitalize upon that. The two plus years left on the non-compete, we'll kind of have to see what happens as that unfolds. But we're undiminished in terms of how we are going to continue to attack that market. Because again, we think we're solving problems for customers in a way that no one else can in optimizing the value of those assets. So yes, that's why I wanted to mention it, because it is an important part of our business and a successful part of our business.

Bob Labick

Analyst · CJS Securities. Bob, please go ahead. Your line is open

Super. Okay. Thank you very much.

John Kett

Analyst · CJS Securities. Bob, please go ahead. Your line is open

Thanks, Bob.

Operator

Operator

Thank you, Bob. Our next question comes from Bret Jordan of Jefferies. Bret, please go ahead. Your line is open.

Bret Jordan

Analyst · Jefferies. Bret, please go ahead. Your line is open

Hi. Good morning, guys.

John Kett

Analyst · Jefferies. Bret, please go ahead. Your line is open

Hi, Bret.

Arif Ahmed

Analyst · Jefferies. Bret, please go ahead. Your line is open

Good morning, Bret.

Bret Jordan

Analyst · Jefferies. Bret, please go ahead. Your line is open

Could you talk about I guess the competitive landscape? Obviously, a large customer has shifted what appears to be sort of the increasing majority of their business away. Is that -- I guess when you think about the reasons for it, is there competitive pricing on the seller fee or is there something at the service level? And again, I'd sort of -- it originally struck me this was diversification that you might lose half of it, but it seems like it's more than that now. But could you talk about why you think that decision was made?

John Kett

Analyst · Jefferies. Bret, please go ahead. Your line is open

Yes, I think it's multifaceted. That is a carrier we continue to have a strong relationship with. We still do business with them in a number of geographies and across our product lines. So it's part of our focus to try and recover that. But there's a lot of touch points in a relationship with a carrier, whether it's getting cars released and picked up, whether it's the titling process, or the proceeds that we get at auction. All those things matter at some levels, depending on who you're dealing with. And so I think those are all elements that enter into a decision. I'm not going to really get into the specifics of this customer, because I don't think it's necessarily appropriate. But I think the things that I just talked about are all reasons that carriers look at in terms of how they make decisions about where they allocate share.

Bret Jordan

Analyst · Jefferies. Bret, please go ahead. Your line is open

Okay. And then you're talking about 21% growth in the international buyer base. Do you have a feeling for what percentage of your transactions are being sold internationally now?

John Kett

Analyst · Jefferies. Bret, please go ahead. Your line is open

I don't know if we'd disclose that. But it's obviously really an important part and continues to grow. And again, across the market alliance partners that I talked about, there's still a lot of room to grow that further. So yes, I don't know that we've disclosed that percentage. But it's growing, vibrant and we really think that from the feedback that we get, because of -- I talked about some of the customer service initiatives that we've implemented on the buyer side, we're getting a lot of really good feedback and we're using that to further enhance the services and the products that we offer both our domestic and our international buyers. And we really think that we've got a strong growth story there that we believe will continue.

Bret Jordan

Analyst · Jefferies. Bret, please go ahead. Your line is open

Okay. And just a final, a quick question as far as the model. You've done more purchase vehicles sequentially. Is the longer term strategy really to go back to more of an agency model, or are we sort of structurally thinking this is going to be more of a purchased model going forward in the three to five-year basis?

John Kett

Analyst · Jefferies. Bret, please go ahead. Your line is open

No. We still strongly believe in the agency model. We believe that -- again, UK is a little different. There's some different dynamics that we're going to, particularly with the integration of SYNETIQ, really take a harder look at. But I think in the U.S., some of the purchase agreement is opportunistic. We do see an opportunity in certain markets to buy vehicles that we think we've got information that we can use to buy them right and to be able to sell them at a profit. So it's not a shifting of the whole market. It's really just being opportunistic and attacking a part that maybe we hadn't really looked at as closely in the past.

Bret Jordan

Analyst · Jefferies. Bret, please go ahead. Your line is open

Thank you.

John Kett

Analyst · Jefferies. Bret, please go ahead. Your line is open

And -- sorry, Bret. Go ahead, operator.

Operator

Operator

Thank you, Bret. No worries. The next question we have comes from Chris Bottiglieri from BNP Paribas Exane. Chris, please go ahead. Your line is now open.

Chris Bottiglieri

Analyst · BNP Paribas Exane. Chris, please go ahead. Your line is now open

Hi, guys. Thanks for taking the questions.

John Kett

Analyst · BNP Paribas Exane. Chris, please go ahead. Your line is now open

Hi, Chris.

Chris Bottiglieri

Analyst · BNP Paribas Exane. Chris, please go ahead. Your line is now open

Hi. Hopefully, we could zoom out a little bit on industry volumes. Like there's just a lot of noise; market share, hurricanes, extra week, you name it, acquisitions. Can you kind of give us a sense for where salvage industry market volume is today versus pre-COVID? And if you don't have that, could you frame where your volume is kind of like, I don't know, on an adjusted basis X top customer, like where are we versus prior peak is where I want to get to?

John Kett

Analyst · BNP Paribas Exane. Chris, please go ahead. Your line is now open

Yes. I think that the overall industry volume based on what we see from CCC and just a growing car park, I think if you kind of combine all those things, I think we've seen growth in the market over the last couple of -- obviously pandemic, there was some noise in there. But if you kind of go pre-pandemic, maybe even back to the spin, there has been growth in the market. It's been, as I said, uneven but I do think, for the reasons that we've talked about and particularly as we go forward, things like the increasing complexity of vehicles that our repair costs continue to go up even kind of excluding maybe some short-term inflationary issues that we're all dealing with. The fundamentals that we see in the long-term prospect of total loss frequency we still think is a positive. We still think that overall the market is going to continue to grow for a combination of the things that I just talked about.

Chris Bottiglieri

Analyst · BNP Paribas Exane. Chris, please go ahead. Your line is now open

Yes, sure. Okay. And then anyway to further parse the Hurricane impact? Like it's just really messy. I don't know how to model just to be candid. Like how much of the volume is still left? How much was processed in Q4? I think you gave the margin rate headwind, but it's hard to do anything with it. Is there anything you can give us to help us kind of like parse this out a little better?

Susan Healy

Analyst · BNP Paribas Exane. Chris, please go ahead. Your line is now open

I guess the way to think about it, right, is that it's basically affecting us for a total of three quarters. We had an impact in Q3, which we disclosed. The biggest impact is in Q4, the $6.4 million. And there'll be a small impact in Q1 as we move through the remainder of the vehicles. Over 50%, the vehicles we took in from the CAT have been sold at this point, but there is some in our inventory, it will have some impact in Q1. And when we guided margins, when I mentioned that we think about the cadence of margins, it's going to be more of a negative year-over-year in the first half of the year than in the back half. That's part of what's impacting the first quarter. But we should be completely through the volume through the end.

Chris Bottiglieri

Analyst · BNP Paribas Exane. Chris, please go ahead. Your line is now open

Got you. That's helpful. Thank you so much.

John Kett

Analyst · BNP Paribas Exane. Chris, please go ahead. Your line is now open

Thanks, Chris.

Operator

Operator

Thank you, Chris. Our next question comes from Gary Prestopino from Barrington Research. Gary, please go ahead.

Gary Prestopino

Analyst · Barrington Research. Gary, please go ahead

Yes. Good morning. Several questions. John, it looks like the EBITDA margins on the acquisition are much, much less than what you generated in the base business. And understanding that you can't get your hands on it to integrate it, but I get it at about 6.6% adjusted EBITDA margin. Once you integrate that, where do you think that goes on a two to three-year basis that EBITDA margin?

John Kett

Analyst · Barrington Research. Gary, please go ahead

Thanks, Gary. We won the purchase agreement component of that business. It's hard to translate that EBITDA margin into our core business EBITDA margin. Almost think about it maybe in dollars and try to apply that. Even the 6.6 feels low from our --

Arif Ahmed

Analyst · Barrington Research. Gary, please go ahead

Gary, we announced when we did the deal, it was low double digit, EBITDA margin was 17 million [indiscernible] revenue. So it's low double digits at the time of acquisition.

John Kett

Analyst · Barrington Research. Gary, please go ahead

But nonetheless, we do see opportunities to grow that business in the UK and leverage our existing business. And we do see SYNETIQ opportunities that that was part of our thesis in buying it. We haven't talked about exactly what those are yet, but we do think -- again, if you be separate the PA part of it, we do think it's going to be accretive and valuable to our overall performance going forward.

Gary Prestopino

Analyst · Barrington Research. Gary, please go ahead

Would you say that there's the trust fee to try and change a lot of these from non-purchase to agency agreements? Can you do that?

John Kett

Analyst · Barrington Research. Gary, please go ahead

Well, all our things being equal, we'd rather be in an agency agreement for obvious reasons, but some of that is really market structure that we're going to compete there and we're going to put forward the best, the most appropriate bids that we can for business trying to convince carriers that maybe the agency model is better. But we're going to take advantage of the skill set that SYNETIQ brings to us to make the best decisions, again, because of their flexibility in terms of being able to part some cars and to auction others, that's something we're going to learn a lot about from them that we're not quite sure what it's going to mean going forward and beyond the UK, but I think it is an intriguing business model that they have, and that was part of what attracted us to them.

Gary Prestopino

Analyst · Barrington Research. Gary, please go ahead

Okay. With SYNETIQ, do you have the increase in volume for the quarter, the increase in ARPU, and then what the increase in inventory would be?

Arif Ahmed

Analyst · Barrington Research. Gary, please go ahead

We haven't broken that out, Gary, separately. I think the revenue is kind of -- think about where it was on an annual basis, directly proportional to that.

Gary Prestopino

Analyst · Barrington Research. Gary, please go ahead

Thank you.

John Kett

Analyst · Barrington Research. Gary, please go ahead

Thanks, Gary.

Operator

Operator

Thank you, Gary. And that concludes the Q&A session. I would now like to pass the conference back over to John Kett, CEO, for closing remarks. John, please go ahead.

John Kett

Analyst · Stephens. Daniel, please go ahead

Well, thank you and thank you all for your participation. Just in closing, my enthusiasm remains unchanged about our ability to capitalize on the opportunities that we have in front of us in 2022 and beyond. And I look forward to updating you on our progress as we go forward. So thank you all. And have a great day.

Operator

Operator

That concludes the IAA, Incorporated fourth quarter 2021 earnings call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect your lines.