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Rubrik, Inc. (RBRK)

Q3 2025 Earnings Call· Thu, Dec 5, 2024

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Operator

Operator

Good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to the Rubrik Third Quarter Fiscal Year 2025 Results Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later you will have the opportunity to ask questions during the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Also today's call is being recorded. [Operator Instructions]. Now at this time, I'll turn things over to Melissa Franchi, Vice President, Head of Investor Relations at Rubrik. Please go ahead, ma'am.

Melissa Franchi

Analyst

Hello, everyone. Welcome to Rubrik's third quarter fiscal year 2025 financial results conference call. On the call with me today are Bipul Sinha, CEO, Chairman and Co-Founder of Rubrik; and Kiran Choudary, Chief Financial Officer. Our earnings press release was issued today after the market closed and may be downloaded from the Investor Relations page at www. ir.rubric.com. Also on this page, you'll be able to find a slide deck with financial highlights that, along with our earnings release, include a reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP financial results. These measures should not be considered in isolation from or as a substitute for financial information prepared in accordance with GAAP. During this call, we will make forward-looking statements including statements regarding our financial outlook for the fourth quarter and full fiscal year 2025, our expectations regarding market trends, our market position, opportunities, including with respect to Generative AI, growth strategy, product initiatives and expectations regarding those initiatives and our go-to-market motions. These statements are early predictions that are based on what we believe today, and actual results may differ materially. These forward-looking statements are subject to risks and other factors that could affect our performance and financial results, which we discussed in detail in our filings with the SEC. Rubrik assumes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements we may make on today's call. With that, I'll hand the call over to Bipul.

Bipul Sinha

Analyst

Thank you, Melissa, and thank you, everyone, for joining us today. Now let's get started. Rubrik delivered another outstanding quarter. We not only achieved very strong growth at the scale, but also generated positive free cash flow. We are incredibly proud to have surpassed $1 billion in subscription ARR, growing 38% year-over-year. And we did this in just over 10 years since Rubrik was founded, a big milestone for us. This quarter, once again, we have exceeded all top line and profitability guided metrics. And more importantly, we are raising our outlook for the rest of the fiscal '25. There are the five key numbers that highlight yet another positive quarter for Rubrik. First, and this is a record, we added $83 million in net new subscription ARR, a clear indication that we are winning the cyber resilience market. Second, our subscription revenue was over $221 million, growing 55% year-over-year. Third, our subscription ARR remained strong above 120%. Fourth, customers with $100,000 or more in subscription ARR reached 2,085 growing 32% year-over-year. And finally, on profitability, we once again made material improvement in subscription ARR contribution margin, up 1,100 basis points year-over-year. On the cash generation front, we are very happy to report we had over $15 million in free cash flow this quarter. Once again, these results are only possible because Rubrik is winning the cyber resilience market. Now let's look at why we are winning. Cyber Resilience is the number one topic in cybersecurity. There is a broad realization that cyberattacks and breaches are inevitable. And therefore, organizations have to be resilient against such attacks. Rubrik has a unique architecture and solution for cyber recovery and resilience. This is what is powering our growth and market momentum. Let me unpack this in three parts. Number one, Rubrik delivered…

Kiran Choudary

Analyst

Thank you, Bipul. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. We posted outstanding results in the third quarter, and we exceeded our guidance across all metrics. Q3 was highlighted by strong top line growth at scale due to our leadership in the growing market for cyber resilience, significant expansions within our existing customer base and strong continued improvement and profitability. Let me start by briefly recapping our third quarter fiscal 2025 financial results and key operating metrics, and then I'll provide guidance for the fourth quarter and full year fiscal 2025. All comparisons, unless otherwise noted, are on a year-over-year basis. Subscription ARR best illustrates the momentum of our business, and we are incredibly proud to have surpassed $1 billion in Q3, growing 38%. We added $83 million in net new subscription ARR. We continue to drive adoption of our Rubrik Security Cloud, which resulted in $769 million of cloud ARR up 69%. Our subscription ARR growth benefited approximately 2 percentage points from transitioning our declining maintenance base to subscription. We have a differentiated land-and-expand model where we have multiple avenues to acquire new customers and expand relationship with our customers after their initial contract. We can expand the growth of data and applications already secured by Rubrik through the expansion of our footprint of applications secured and or by the addition of more security functionality. As a result, we continue to see a strong subscription net retention rate which remained over 120% in the third quarter. All vectors of expansion are healthy contributors to our net retention rate, highlighting the meaningful runway we have to more deeply penetrate our customer base. Adoption of additional security functionality remains at approximately one third of our subscription net retention rate, stable from last quarter, but up from approximately a…

Operator

Operator

Thank you so much. [Operator Instructions] We'll go first this afternoon to Saket Kalia at Barclays.

Saket Kalia

Analyst

Okay. Great. Thanks, guys. Thanks for taking my questions here and congrats on reaching the $1 billion ARR mark.

Bipul Sinha

Analyst

Thank you, Saket.

Saket Kalia

Analyst

Absolutely. Bipul, maybe just to start with you. In your prepared remarks, I thought you had some great examples of customer wins where cloud backup seemed like the main reason for the win. And I think that some of us sometimes wonder what backup for cloud applications and cloud workloads look like since the cloud presumably provides some sort of native backup. So maybe the question is, can you just talk about what you hear from customers about their desire to use third-party data protection tools like Rubrik for cloud workloads versus maybe relying on a backup solution from their cloud provider. There was a lot there, but does that make sense?

Bipul Sinha

Analyst

It does. Rubrik has a huge opportunity in the cloud. And the reason is that cyber resilience is needed, wherever your application and data resides. But the fundamental question is that you have your data in three clouds, five SaaS applications and five data centers, and you can't have different methods to do cyber recovery in different places because if you have to turn 30 knobs when you are -- you had a bad breach, you will be down for a very long time. So customers are looking for a single policy engine and single security control to actually deliver cyber recovery across all of their data estates. And that's why we are winning in the cloud because we have a very comprehensive solution for all the native cloud providers as well as data centers as well as SaaS applications such as Salesforce and M365. As an example, this quarter in Q3, a Fortune 500 insurance company came to us to actually replace their native backup solution on their cloud platform with Rubrik cloud-native protection because they wanted the consolidated, again, policy management and security controls across all of their data so that they can have a native data threat engine that would be provided for complete visibility, control and being able to confidently do cyber recovery when the inevitable cyber attack happens.

Saket Kalia

Analyst

Got it. That makes a ton of sense. Kiran, maybe for my follow-up for you, the contribution margin here continues to improve. And it was great to hear that, that can be breakeven next year. And you correct me there if I'm wrong. But maybe the question is, how do you sort of think about that in terms of your pace of investments going into next year? And how long of a lag do you think about sort of reported operating income sort of following that contribution margin?

Kiran Choudary

Analyst

Sure, Saket, and thanks for the question. So we are very pleased with the progression we have made in margin to date. This quarter, we delivered minus 3% subscription margin, which was almost 100 basis points better than the last quarter, Q2 and 1,100-plus basis points year-over-year. But really the drivers of the progression in margin are twofold. One is the top line scale and outperformance but also the work we've been doing on efficiency, both across sales and marketing and R&D in terms of the big investment areas for us. And we look to improve that further based on the guidance we gave for Q4 finishing up this year. And I did mention in my prepared remarks that based on where we are today after the third quarter, our goal is to be subscription are contribution margin breakeven or better next fiscal year. So that's how we are thinking about the goal is to build a profitable growth business here. Now when it comes to the operating margin, we expect that to follow after subscription margin. Normally, I would think that we will follow within a few quarters. But just to remind everybody that we went through a cloud transformation, we are nearing the end of it, but that suppressed our revenue under top line accounting perspective for some time. And because of that, they'll lag will be a little longer. But subscription era margin is the leading indicator for op margin over time.

Saket Kalia

Analyst

Very helpful, guys. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We go next now to Fatima Boolani at Citi.

Fatima Boolani

Analyst

Good afternoon, thank you for taking my question. Kiran, you made an interesting point on the prepared remarks that I wanted to drill into with regards to DSPM deals doubling in volume sequentially. I wanted to ask about how much this is contributing to the pipeline and or potentially shortening some of your deal cycles? And then I have a follow-up for Kiran, please. Thank you.

Bipul Sinha

Analyst

Thanks, Fatima. Let me give you a little bit of a business color, and then Kiran might add some more details. In terms of like DSPM, we are continuing to see a strong traction with DSPM and as I mentioned in the prepared remarks, that number of customers doubled quarter-over-quarter in Q3. The issue is DSPM provides data risk and data threat visibility. And then combination of DSPM plus cyber recovery is the complete cyber resilience. And since generative is now pulling data from the nooks and crannies of enterprise applications, folks need to understand the sensitivity of the content to be able to deliver responsible AI. And that is also our attempt in terms of the Rubrik DSPM for Microsoft CoPilot. In fact, the health care organization in Q3 added DSPM to their existing Rubrik footprint because their Chief Information and Digital Officer was concerned about their ability to recover quickly and they actually replaced their existing DSPM vendor to be able to offer superior cyber resilience capability and be able to understand the data risk, data threat and to be able to deliver fast cyber recovery.

Kiran Choudary

Analyst

Just to add -- I think on your sales cycles question, DSPM is still a relatively smaller part of our business, so it's not influencing our overall sales cycles, which have been stable this year.

Fatima Boolani

Analyst

Thank you, Kiran. And just on the free cash flow outlook, the preliminary outlook you shared for fiscal '26. Very much appreciate that color looking out. But you did talk about some consumption-related headwinds that are starting to peak into the profile this year. I'm wondering if you can give us a quick refresher on what some of the parts of the product portfolio are more catered to the consumption modality, if you will, of pricing. And how much of an impact that could potentially have as maybe sort of a headwind for next year to think about? Thank you.

Kiran Choudary

Analyst

Sure. So apart this not consumption specifically. It is more related to the shorter term and shorter invoicing cycles for some of our cloud and SaaS products as we progress more into selling some of these products, some of our customers prefer to buy it, the data security portion from us in line with how they purchase the core cloud or SaaS products like Microsoft 365. So we have seen over the past several quarters a bit of shortening on contract cycles as well as invoice cycles. And that is what I referred to as modest headwinds to free cash flow through this year as well. And as we think about next year, we're not giving guidance or an outlook yet. We'll do that after Q4 call. But in regards to the comment on cash flow positive, as a modeling point, we would expect some further modest compression as well.

Fatima Boolani

Analyst

Very clear, thank you.

Operator

Operator

We'll go next to now to Kash Rangan at Goldman Sachs.

Kash Rangan

Analyst

Hi, thanks very much. Congratulations to the Rubrik team. My question to you, Bipul, is -- and I have one for Kiran as well. You've always maintained the view that the TAM for Rubrik in this cycle is not just a replacement of the legacy technology, but also participation of the broader pool available to you in cybersecurity, right? I mean that would make it truly a more sustainable growth company. I'm wondering if you could point to any evidence in the quarter and evidence in the pipeline that you see that the TAM in cybersecurity, which is a vast bigger pool of spending than the legacy business and how that is helping your business? And are you able to participate in those new budgets? And also Kiran, congratulations on the operating efficiency improvement. How sustainable is this improvement that we saw going forward? Thank you so much.

Bipul Sinha

Analyst

Thanks, Kash. So if you think about what Rubrik did to the backup and recovery industry, we transformed this market from backup and recovery for humanity recovery or natural disaster recovery into a cyber disaster recovery platform. We call it cyber recovery, cyber resilience. And that has really expanded the TAM for this market because to be able to deliver cyber resilience, you fundamentally assume that attacks are inevitable. And if attacks are inevitable, then you have to think about what are we doing before actual attack happens? So how do you assess the risk? Then during an illegal activity, run time, how do you assess the threat? And finally, if the breach has happened, then how do you deliver faster cyber recovery to be able to keep your applications up and running. And what Rubrik did was all these three pieces, Rubrik built into a single platform, Rubrik Security Cloud, which combines DSPM plus cyber recovery on a single platform. And that's the unique architecture that we created from day one. And it is not something that is bolt-on or you can convert into. This is inherent to our architecture. And that platform is the unique solution in the market where market is looking for a cyber resilient solution, not looking for legacy backup recovery solution. So if you look at our transaction, about half of our new customers adopt Enterprise Edition, which is the full cyber recovery solutions in their first purchase. And if you look at our NRR, about third of our NRR comes from the cyber data security product attach that we are doing on our Rubrik Security Cloud platform. So essentially, we have transformed this market from this legacy backup recovery approach to a cyber resilience platform, a data security platform to be make sure that folks can do cloud transformation, digital transformation confidently and keep their services up and running even when confronted with an attack.

Kiran Choudary

Analyst

And Kash, just to answer your second question, you had on operating efficiency. So we are really pleased with the progress we've had over the past several quarters, both in terms of subscription ARR contribution margin as well as cash margins. If you look at the drivers for them in terms of the big investment areas, sales and marketing and R&D, we expect many of these drivers to continue, including the ability to drive higher productivity from multiple products, our focus on enabling the sales and go-to-market teams and lowering the cost of acquisition with targeted marketing as well as no partner leverage. And I'll say that renewals are still a minority of our business, and we expect that to grow in contribution. And with that, we get natural leverage as well. On R&D, we continue to hire talent globally with a particular focus on our India center where we've hired great talent over the past years, and we expect that to continue as well. So many of these drivers will see it continuing, but of course, they will moderate over time in terms of the improvements we see.

Kash Rangan

Analyst

Terrific, thank you so much. Happy holidays.

Kiran Choudary

Analyst

Thank you, Kash.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We'll go next now to Andrew Nowinski at Wells Fargo.

Andrew Nowinski

Analyst

Hey, good afternoon. Congrats on another great quarter and particularly, the improvement in contribution margin, I think, really stood out. I just wanted to ask a question. So coming back from the Wells Fargo TMT conference this week. I mean it was really clear that data protection, DSPM and of course, cyber resilience, I think, were top of mind for many organizations. That really stood out to us as like the one key takeaway based on the strong growth you're seeing in your cloud ARR. I mean, it looks like you're seeing this, too. And I'm wondering if there's inflection in demand for DSPM and cyber recovery is related to an inflection, maybe in Gen AI rollouts? Or is it something else? Just wondering if you could pinpoint what's driving this inflection. Thank you.

Bipul Sinha

Analyst

Thank you, Andrew. In terms of Gen AI, Gen AI is certainly a driver for a lot of enterprise activities right now because Gen AI is forcing people to focus on data to understand the integrity of the data, to understand the sensitivity of the data, to understand potential risk of the data, to understand who has access to what data and what they can do with data. And if you look at where we play, Rubrik is the data security platform. We -- at the outset, our goal was to transform backup and recovery, which was a legacy platform into a data security platform to deliver cyber resilience. And so our cyber recovery together delivers our customers an understanding of data risk and delivers data integrity and availability. And so truly, the Gen AI initiatives bring the focus back into data, and that definitely is a tailwind for this market. Having said that, obviously, digital transformation, cloud transformation, application -- SaaS application adoption. And everything that is accelerating throughout the year is also contributing. So it's a broad set of capabilities and broad set of market drivers driving the secular tailwind for this market.

Andrew Nowinski

Analyst

Thanks, Bipul. And maybe as a follow-up to that, I think your enterprise addition gets about a 75% uplift over the foundation addition. I'm wondering if you could just give us an update on maybe the adoption rate of the enterprise addition over the last six months since your IPO of how that's maybe changed and what you're seeing there? Thank you.

Kiran Choudary

Analyst

So enterprise addition continues to be the flagship platform for cyber recovery. And we are also attaching DSPM to bring the security and threat perspective into it. And we are continuing to see a strong adoption of enterprise edition. About half of our new customers adopt -- continue to adopt enterprise edition at the outset. And as I mentioned before, nearly third of our NRR is actually coming from the adoption of data security product, which includes a lot of enterprise edition cyber recovery plus DSPM offerings that we have.

Andrew Nowinski

Analyst

Thank you. Keep up the good work.

Kiran Choudary

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

We'll go next now to Brad Zelnick at Deutsche Bank.

Brad Zelnick

Analyst

Great. Thanks so much. And congrats on the strong execution. The entire team has so much to be proud of. Bipul, I wanted to start by asking you about Annapurna, the goddess of nourishment. Can you talk about the vision and evolution leading up to this week's announcement? What we should expect in terms of availability across other cloud platforms? And is this something you expect to price and monetize implicitly or explicitly.

Bipul Sinha

Analyst

Thank you so much, Brad. This is a very important question for us. Look, Rubrik is an ambitious company. And from the outset, we had actually decided to make Rubrik a company that lives on the frontier of innovation. And our goal is to build pioneering and commercially successful products to really do real transformation and prospective change at our customers. And we want to build a long-term, long-lasting company, long-term profitable company. And long-term companies cannot just focus on what is in front of them, but they create horizons, and that horizon is three to five years out. Just like in the past, back in 2016 and '17, we were working on cyber recovery. And the set of capabilities that we built then is finding success in the marketplace today. So we always think about what do we do today that three to four years out can change the game of the industry, can change the game of the market. And Annapurna is a very important multiyear strategy for Rubrik because if you think about what Rubrik is, we are a centralized data platform with data security built into it, where we pull data for a multitude of enterprise application and create a common data metadata format with data security built into it. And as you know, Gen AI is forcing businesses to extract data from multiple applications to be fed into the model. And we have a ready-made next gen data lake because we use this data lake to recover, application is kind of like a reverse ETL back into the production applications. We can use the same data infrastructure, data security building to it to deliver data into RAG or gen AI or whatever workflow they want to use to build powerful LLM apps. But LLM apps that are trusted, that has security that has responsible AI built into it. Obviously, the secure data embedding that is powered by Rubrik Security Cloud and access control and all of that is inherent to our platform. And our goal is we started with Amazon Bedrock, but it is designed in an API-first platform, it is equally applicable to GCP, Azure, bring your own model, a third-party set of frameworks, whether it's Langchain or Llama index or whatever folks are using to build their Gen AI applications, LLM applications. We will actually will do market experimentation just like in the past four, five years ago, we did experimentation with the data security products. We'll figure out messaging product markets that pricing, what price to customers will sustain, what value we are creating for them. And as we make more progress on the path to monetization, packaging, pricing, Annapurna we'll keep you updated in the next several years. I mean, this is, again, a long-term thing for Rubrik, but this is a very exciting new area and we are working really hard on it.

Brad Zelnick

Analyst

Super exciting, Bipul. Maybe a quick follow-up for Kiran. You're clearly taking market share, and it seems even more so in a quarter like this. Is there anything that you can share with us in terms of win rates and where the share might be coming from? Thanks so much, guys. Congrats again.

Bipul Sinha

Analyst

Let me take this question, Kiran. We continue to win a vast majority of peers against other new gen as well as legacy backup and recovery vendor. And this is because, as I mentioned before, we are the only vendor in the marketplace that has a unique Zero Trust platform that combines DSPM and cyber recovery in a single platform. So we have the full understanding of data risk data threat and cyber recovery and architecture matters when it comes to data and data security and availability of applications. And because of we build this architecture grounds up, when the customers sees our product, there is a reaction, positive reaction that happens and this product can be like -- you can't build this product by bolting on 30 different cybersecurity products or pivoting into cybersecurity. This was the decision that we made day one where we said data, metadata and data threat engine is in a single platform. So we took a risky bet 10 years ago, but we were right in that risky bet, and we are reaping the awards of unique architecture.

Brad Zelnick

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

We'll go next now to John DiFucci at Guggenheim Securities.

John DiFucci

Analyst

Thank you. By the way, this Q&A, this is really helpful and really appreciate people your answer to Kash's question. He always asks good ones. But we all get that from investors. Like why is this going to last and that was helpful. That was really -- that was clear as to why this -- why you're not going to be Veritas in 1999 by the time 2000, I don't know [indiscernible] came along or whatever. But my question here is on partnerships. You spoke about technology partnerships, but there's -- and by the way, you need to have everything you're talking about. The one thing that really hasn't been hit on here is go-to-market. So can you talk a little bit more about go-to-market partnerships? We all know that you have a really strong go-to-market team, but our field work indicates that you sign more VARs. We're just hearing more VARs and more reseller partnerships. And they want they wanted to partner with you and those that focus on security, and they're already starting to see early traction. This is the traditional way that enterprise security is sold. So can you talk a little bit about your efforts there? And what is what we're hearing right? And how should we think about go-to-market partnerships, that contribution going forward? Thank you.

Bipul Sinha

Analyst

Thank you, John. Really appreciate your comments. If you think about Rubrik's go-to-market strategy, we are a technology platform company with a multiproduct that is sold on this platform. And we -- and it is a global product. We actually sell our products all around the world, and then the routes to market is critical for us to have long-term success. So when we think about go-to-market route to market in multiple ways. Number one is, as you mentioned, the VAR because we are 100% indirect business, we work with VAR and VAR take our product and attach some of their services to it to take us to their trusted customers. So that's one motion. The second motion is GSI partners, whether it's global SIs or regional SIs, they again do -- they operationalize Rubrik for their trusted customer. If you look at the third way is our technology alliance partner from Zscaler to CrowdStrike, to Pure Storage, to Cisco, we work with all of them to actually take our product to market. And we have a co-engineered solution with these technology partners where one plus one is more than two. So that end customers see bigger value from Rubrik partnership with, for example, Zscaler where we provide the Zscaler customers full visibility into the threat of a data passing over the network. And that value is, again, one product alone can't deliver. And this is where we are actually creating this multifaceted go-to-market strategy to comprehensively deliver cyber resilience solution around the world across whatever trusted adviser partner products that our customers have.

John DiFucci

Analyst

And that all makes sense, Bipul. But in the technology partnerships, they come out with big announcements, and we look at those, and they're interesting and we hear about them in the field. But is what I said happening like am I just like noticing it more? Or are more and more, and the first two you mentioned, VARs and GSIs, is there greater engagement over the last quarter or two than there has been more -- are you signing more partnerships with VARs and GSIs or it's just something that, I don't know, maybe a it's been happening and I just didn't -- I think we're trying to pay attention, but is it happening more?

Bipul Sinha

Analyst

It is definitely happening more, but it has been happening for last many quarters because what has happened is that in the last couple of years, the customers are demanding for cyber resilient solutions, cyber resiliency. They are asking for how do I keep my services up and running even when I'm breached, even how do I keep my hospitals up and take -- even when it is breached. How do kids go to school when the school is breached? And when the GSIs and VARs here this question, they're not thinking about backup and recovery. They are saying that how do I bring a complete cyber resilience solution and protect our customers. And it is doing two things to the VARs and GSI. One is they are not having a discussion around infrastructure and dollar per terabyte. We are having a strategic dialogue with the customer around risk and risk mitigation. And then the second thing is that it actually broadens their scope in the enterprise from just infrastructure into infrastructure plus cybersecurity. So you really noticed it, right? Large GSIs, large VARs and mini VARs and mini GSIs are taking Rubrik to market because there success with their end customer depends upon their ability to drive cyber resiliency. And that's why you are noticing more and more folks are signing up the tubes.

John DiFucci

Analyst

Got it. Well, keep it up guys because you know this, what we saw tonight is rare. Thanks.

Melissa Franchi

Analyst

Thank you, John.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And ladies and gentlemen, that is all the time we do have for questions today. At this time, I would like to turn things back over to you, Mr. Sinha for any closing comments.

Bipul Sinha

Analyst

In closing, I would like to thank all our customers, all our partners, all our Rubrikons as well as all our investors for your continued support. These are still very early days of Rubrik because company's life is in decades, not in years. And we just finished the first decade of Rubrik and has entered the next decade. We want to build a long-term large profitable business, and we look forward to working closely with you to learn from you to understand where the market is moving and how do we continue to build market-defining products to keep our customers secure and make sure that they can do digital transformation confidently. Thank you so much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you, Mr. Sinha. Again, ladies and gentlemen, that will conclude the Rubrik third quarter fiscal 2025 results call. Again, thanks so much for joining us, everyone, and we wish you all a great remainder of your day. Goodbye.