Bruce M. Mann - Vice President of Investor Relations Nadir H. Mohamed - Chief Executive Officer, President and Director Anthony Staffieri - Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President Robert W. Bruce - President of Communications Division Keith W. Pelley - President of Rogers Media Division

Maher Yaghi - Desjardins Securities Inc., Research Division Glen Campbell - BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division Robert Bek - CIBC World Markets Inc., Research Division Simon Flannery - Morgan Stanley, Research Division Drew McReynolds - RBC Capital Markets, LLC, Research Division Dvaipayan Ghose - Canaccord Genuity, Research Division Vince Valentini - TD Securities Equity Research Robert Goff - Byron Capital Markets Ltd., Research Division Adam Shine - National Bank Financial, Inc., Research Division Jeffrey Fan - Scotiabank Global Banking and Markets, Research Division Blair H. Abernethy - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc., Research Division Gregory W. MacDonald - Macquarie Research David McFadgen - Cormark Securities Inc., Research Division

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Rogers Communications Fourth Quarter 2012 Results Analyst Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded today, Friday, February 15, 2013, at 8:30 a.m. Eastern Time. I would now like to turn the conference over to Bruce Mann with the Rogers Communications management team. Please go ahead.

Well, thank you very much, and good morning, everybody. We appreciate you investing some of your time with us this morning to join Rogers fourth quarter 2012 investment community teleconference. It's Bruce Mann here. Joining me in Toronto this morning are Rogers' President and CEO, Nadir Mohamed; our Chief Financial Officer, Tony Staffieri; Rob Bruce is the President of our Communications division; Keith Pelley who's President of our Media division. Also, Bob Berner, our Chief Technology Officer; Ken Engelhart from our Regulatory team; and then there's a couple of members of their respective teams as well. So we released our fourth quarter results this morning. The purpose of the call is to crisply provide you with a bit of additional background upfront and then to answer as many of your questions as time permits. Today's remarks and discussion will undoubtedly touch on estimates or other forward-looking types of information from which our actual results could be different. So accordingly, would you please review the cautionary language in today's earnings report and in our 2011 annual report. All the factors, assumptions, risks, et cetera, on those document apply equally to today's call. With that, lastly, if you don't already have copies of our fourth quarter release that we put out this morning or our 2011 annual report to accompany the call, they're both on the Investor Relations section of rogers.com. They're also on EDGAR and SEDAR regulatory websites. So with that, I'll turn it over to our CEO, Nadir Mohamed, and then our CFO, Tony Staffieri, for some brief introductory remarks, and then the management team here will look forward to taking your questions. So over to you, Nadir.

Thanks, Bruce, and welcome, everyone, and thank you for joining us. Before we get into the specifics of our results on what I'd characterize as a solid quarter, let me spend a minute addressing the announcement we made earlier today about my plan to retire next year. After more than 30 years in the industry and more than a decade with the company, I've made the decision to retire as CEO in January of 2014. The company is in great shape and I believe it's the right time to start the transition to the next generation of leadership. As we said in the release earlier this morning, the Rogers board will start a search process and I will work with the board to ensure a seamless and orderly transition. We will provide an update on this later in the year. Right now, my focus is absolutely clear, working with the senior team to deliver on our priorities and drive results. As you can see from this morning's earnings release, we delivered another balanced set of financial and subscriber results which further build on a number of positive trends which you've seen emerge over the year. The results overall clearly reflect the strength of our asset mix which positions us uniquely as Canada's largest wireless provider complemented by healthy broadband and media businesses. In particular, our top line growth rate further accelerated for the third straight quarter, with revenue growth rates up at all 3 of our major segments. In fact, our consolidated revenue this quarter is the highest ever reported by Rogers. At the same time, consolidated margins, adjusted operating profit, earnings per share and pretax free cash flow were all up versus Q4 of last year. We again had very good postpaid subscriber gross additions at wireless, the highest…

Thank you, Nadir, and good morning, everyone. I'll provide a little bit of additional context around the financial results and the metrics for the quarter, and then we can get into the specific questions you may have. On the top line, our consolidated revenue was up 3.4% for the quarter, representing the third straight quarter of sequential improvement. At wireless, network revenue grew at 4.3%, which is almost double the rate of last quarter. And we had continued growth in cable service revenue which was up 2.2%, again, up sequentially from the 1.7% rate in Q3. Media's growth trajectory improved as well, although it was dampened somewhat in the fourth quarter as a result of the NHL lockout. RBS, also this quarter, put up its best revenue performance of the year with IP, next generation and on-net revenue now surpassing the declining legacy business. In the fourth quarter, we also saw a continued improvement in the trajectory of consolidated adjusted operating profit, which grew at 6.8% compared to 5% in the third quarter and less than half that rate in the second quarter. We accomplished this while absorbing in our results the extremely significant year-on-year increase in the volumes of smartphone sales and upgrades, which Nadir touched on a moment ago. So the top line and adjusted operating profit lines both grew year-over-year as well as sequentially and significantly, both grew at accelerating rates. In our wireless business, total revenue growth of 5% and postpaid ARPU growth of 2% was driven largely by strong data increases with data now accounting for 42% of our network revenues. Adjusted operating profit in wireless was up 2.5%, notwithstanding, as we've mentioned, having to absorb the costs associated with year-over-year increases in both postpaid subscriber gross and net additions as well as record numbers…

Right. Thanks, Tony. Operator, if you could give us just a couple of seconds before we jump into the questions from the participants. [Operator Instructions]

[Operator Instructions] Your first question today comes from the line of Maher Yaghi of Desjardins Securities.

Nadir, I wanted to just to congratulate you on your tenure at Rogers, and I'm sure the investment community will miss you starting next year. Just -- I wanted to ask you on wireless, when you look at your wireless portfolio and you compare the postpaid net additions you had in the quarter versus Telus and BCE, now that all the results are out. It's been a few quarters that we're seeing your market share below your potential. Is there structurally anything that you can do to manage to improve that market share? Because in terms of offering, in terms of pricing, in terms of presence on the ground, there's not a lot of difference between you and Telus and BCE. Why are we seeing that kind of spread continuing here and do you expect it to close in 2013?

Maher, thanks, and thank you for your comments on a personal note. On the wireless, I think the first thing to make sure that everybody understands, as you know, the net share in any given quarter is a function of what happens at gross and then the effect of churn. And you should know that at the tail -- where the customer makes the decision on the gross activations we continue to be very strong and have been that way for some time. Really, what you're seeing is the impact of churn, and as you know, our churn improved from 1.49% in the quarter last year to 1.40%, so that's sequentially improving and improved for the year. But frankly, our churn needs to get to be even better because the reality is our base of customers is much larger. And if you work the math, even if it's the same churn applied on the higher number, you would end up with a lower net share. So our focus very much is on improving churn. The last year or 2, to be fair to your question, if you look at where the competition in terms of new entrants and some of the activity in the market has been strongest, it would be in the markets in Ontario where we have the biggest presence. So that's been a contributing factor, but I think you should know that we're absolutely focused on improving our churn, and that to me is the best way to get to an improved net share. The last thing I'd say is, Maher, as you know, all of these metrics are interconnected. And what I'd point out is that the balancing act would be we continue to have the best margins in the wireless industry, we continue to have the best ARPU in the wireless business. So point taken though, where we see improvement going forward, which we focus on is churn.

Your next question will come from the line of Glen Campbell of Bank of America Merrill Lynch.

The ARPU in wireless service results were just terrific and, Nadir, I have to say chuckled at you calling the results solid. We will miss that. But can you maybe talk a little bit about the drivers of the strong performance in data? I mean, clearly, we've seen the upward margin in smartphone penetration, but are you seeing higher levels of spending as people trade up their phones? Are you seeing a lot of people take plans of more than 1 gig? Are there some unusual factors or trends you're seeing that would help to explain that strength?

Yes, Glen, it's Rob Bruce. The improvement in data growth was right across the board. It was driven by higher rates of data attachment on smartphones. Some of this was driven by our new plans, both on Fido and Rogers, which by the way are actually going very well. Also from an uptick in SMS and also on outbound roaming. And most of you will recall that we made some changes to roaming and those changes are proving to be positive as we go forward. I think the one thing that I would say is, we have more work to do as an industry in the long run on roaming and making roaming rates friendlier for our customers. And as you probably saw recently, Glen, we released some information about some new plans to do exactly that on roaming. So while the roaming numbers are terrific and have bounced back a lot this quarter, we expect that putting new roaming plans in place in the short term will moderate slightly some of the uptick that we're seeing in roaming. And that will be necessary because initially what will happen is the people who use roaming a lot will migrate to these new plans. But ultimately, success will be pushing the penetration of our base into using roaming on a very consistent basis overall and that will take slightly longer. So happy with the results in the quarter. Roaming particularly strong. I think the other thing that I would highlight is we're seeing that LTE is creating a much better experience for all of our customers. As a consequence, we see our users using more data individually and that's another component that I probably should touch on before I wrap up.

Your next question will come from the line of Bob Bek of CIBC.

I also have a data question, but from the cable side. Obviously, a very strong quarter, another strong quarter for data on the cable side, both usage and pricing, no doubt, as my personal experience, would show. Caps are starting to be a bigger issue now. Can you talk perhaps Robert or Nadir about your strategy on the caps and on as usage grows in households and how pricing can kind of go with that? I know you got a telco competitor who is getting pretty aggressive on the Internet component even with an unlimited stuff. I'm sure that's just transitory, but your thoughts on the impact of that on pricing and pricing in general and your ability to control pricing on what is obviously a very key component to the story.

Listen. Thanks, Bob, for your question, I appreciate it. Clearly, I'm not going to comment on our competitors' plans and the approaches that we're taking. We've got a winning Internet offering and I think you can see it in our numbers. We've been leveraging our known superiority over DSL, delivering faster speeds up to 150 MHz now, with better consistency of those speeds. I think our customers are seeing and feeling that. It's supported by the end market claims. I think customers have come to recognize that Rogers has a vastly superior Internet offering. It's supported by our investments that we're making in DOCSIS network capacity. And we've worked hard to improve the customer experience with things like the launch of TechXpert, our premium technical support. We've removed a lot of our traffic management processes, in fact, all of our traffic management processes. And the up-speeding that we've done in our network, I think has created some of the positive momentum that we have from an Internet perspective. So we're going to continue to play that Internet superiority card and play it aggressively. We think that's the anchor to our portfolio and there's been a massive shift in how consumers make decisions in that cable portfolio of products. It is now very much driven by Internet versus television. And I'll leave it there.

Your next question will come from the line of Simon Flannery of Morgan Stanley.

This is probably for Bob. I wanted to talk about the capital spending priorities for 2013. Obviously, you've got a bit more to go on LTE. But clearly, without the 700 megahertz you're getting to some pretty good coverage already. So if you can give us the buckets of CapEx, and when do you think that we can start to see some sort of dividends as you sort of put that in your rearview mirror and you can start to see the capital intensity moderate a little bit?

Yes. Simon, it's Nadir. Why don't I take the CapEx and then Bob can address any kind of technical question. I think if you slide back first, it really, to me, is a follow-on to the question we just had. We are absolutely committed to the strategy to drive growth in monetizing of data, and the backbone of that is IT-based networks that are conducive to data. So we're first with the LTE, we're the fastest. And in '13, we'll continue to rollout LTE to, I'll call it, a broader footprint. We have a couple of regions in the country that, Simon, and for competitive reasons, we won't get into specifics that we'll be targeting to shore up, I'll call it infill, and in some cases, scroll [ph]. And I think that will create more opportunities for penetration gain for ourselves, and I'm sure some of you will figure out where that is, but that shapes up the wireless side. A lot of like say the requirements on wireless now are frankly related to capacity and rolling out the backhaul and the requirements for data. On the wireline side, we continue to move forward in terms of what we would call setting up for IP networks and that means our chair [ph] of migration, that means faster speeds as we go forward, intensifying our network. And to a certain extent, we're also looking to expand a bit more into the business market where we're seeing great success, in fact, the limitation right now in terms of growing our market share has been very much where we have reached right to the business. So that's got some investment in there. And finally, speed, speed for Internet. We are the fastest. We firmly believe in remaining the fastest and all of that is contained in our guidance. The one last thing I'd say is that we feel we're very well positioned in Ontario, and we've got some shoring up that we'll be doing in the Atlantic to make sure that we're consistently fastest across our footprint.

So really if you sit back, it's nothing that's a step change, all of this is contained in the guidance and all of that is framed around this view that we'll always invest to make sure we're the #1.

Your next question will come from the line of Drew McReynolds of RBC Capital Markets.

Maybe a question for you, Tony. Obviously, we're seeing continued margin gains across the business and you've instituted probably about a year ago kind of the beginning of that process. Just wondering if you can speak to 2013, what are the major projects that you see impacting the cost structure? And if I can squeeze in just a second one, just on RBS. Obviously, you've turned the corner there in terms of the inflection point. Just wondering is that business of sufficient scale for you, or do you think you need to make further acquisitions?

Thanks, Drew. In terms of the cost program, as we've talked about on previous calls, cost productivity continues to be part of our DNA, both in 2012 and on a go-forward basis. As we move into 2013, the focus is going to be in the same primary categories. Certainly, if you look across labor efficiencies in all our segments, we'll continue to focus on that and redirect resources in the areas that matter most to the customer. Also looking at our supplier base and we'll continue to comb through that to look for opportunities there. And then the third part of it is our general and admin expenditures. And so those will continue to be the 3 main areas. And it's all going to be driven by the umbrella of what I would call simplification. Now we continue to look for ways to simplify processes, make the experience easier, simpler for the customer, and that continues to be the primary driver of cost efficiency improvements.

Maybe, Drew -- it's Nadir. On your question of RBS, if you think back of where we started, we've been pretty firm on what our strategy is. And as very simply put, it's to drive on-net traffic. That means on our network, drive IT and be focused on, I'll call it, the smaller mid market. So one of the challenges, as you know, with our business has been to work off the legacy that we acquired -- the legacy business of circuit-switch that we acquired from Call-Net. Now what's fantastic about the fourth quarter is, symbolically, we've crossed the 50% line. So if you think of acquisitions, like Atria and Blink, they support the idea that we want to be more on-net, more in our footprint and that's been our priority.

Your next question will come from the line of Dvai Ghose of Canaccord Genuity.

If I can go back to the seeming dichotomy between the basic cable subs down 25,000 in the quarter and the cable modem subs up 22,000. I mean the mantra historically has been bundling and therefore, what's good for one is good for the other. If you look at western Canada, obviously, Telus' IPTV gains have also led to very strong Internet gains as reported again today, and at Shaw you've seen both Internet as well as TV lost share to Telus. In the case of the east that certainly hasn't been the case. Bell's IPTV number has been pretty good, but their DSL numbers have been very disappointing. So why is there this dichotomy in your minds in the east versus the west? And I assume an increasing number of your Internet customers are therefore stand-alone and not taking cable services. Could you give us some sort of idea as to what that number looks like now versus in the past?

Yes, Dvai, it's Rob. Yes, you're right. There is definitely an emergence of people taking Internet alone. It's attributable to our success to having a superior product and I went through some of the reasons why I thought that product was superior. Much better speeds. We worked hard on re-speeding our base and making sure that there's value there for our customers. We've been very aggressive about marketing to the DSL base out there and reminding them of the superiority that we have on Internet. That's brought us great success. And we don't talk about it as much as we should, but very focused on business as well. Nadir made reference to investments in businesses past, but we can continue to drive hard on business. And the other thing that's different from the west is accelerated wholesale activity. That's not seen so much in east and west of Canada, but it's more unique to Ontario. So a combination of those factors, the emergence of single Internet customers, all contribute to the success that we're seeing on Internet.

Your next question will come from the line of Vince Valentini of TD Securities.

Rob, you mentioned earlier the reaction to the new pricing plans has been very favorable, so that may not be the answer to my question. But I'm just wondering, you have shown some very good improvement in your ARPU trends and your churn trends, and you've incurred significant smartphone loading costs in 2012. I can't really quite figure out why the low end of the guidance for wireless EBITDA in 2013 only shows 0.6% growth. Can you just tell us what could happen to cause you to have growth that low off of the good momentum you have right now?

Well first, before Rob answers, I think you have to look at the range, right, because that's where we expect to be. I'll let Rob [indiscernible].

So the important thing to say, Vince, is remember some of the changes and some of the lift that we've seen in data roaming, we initiated in the back half of the year. We're going to be lapping some of those as we look at this on a full year basis, so it's important to keep that in mind. As I said, we also expect to make some investment to get to where we think is the right place in roaming. And the right place in roaming is to get all our customers feeling comfortable being able to roam, and they do most of that roaming in the U.S. So we think there will be some investment to go from getting the early adopters on roaming to getting everybody on roaming. And we think that, that will have a slight dampening effect as well on revenue. And then lastly, I think we've got to recognize we're at 70%, 72% or it depends how you calculate it, 69% to 72% penetration on smartphone. It's hard not to think that, that next tranche of people that we're going to acquire are going to be less willing to spend $70 to $80 on smartphones. We're going to have to get them on data, but they're probably going to come on with lower ARPUs and that's clearly also reflected in the numbers. So those are the 3 things that I think are instrumental and kind of shaping some of the questions you had on guidance.

The next question will come from the line of Rob Goff of Byron Capital Markets.

My question would be on the M2M, we're hearing more about it and we had some numbers come out today. Could you give us a bit more on the ARPU profile and what Rogers' competitive position may be there?

Rob, it's Nadir. Obviously, it's an area that we feel very good about our leadership. As I mentioned in my remarks, about 800,000 connections now. And if you think of it from an opportunity for growth, literally our view would be that in terms of the Canadian market, the addressable markets, I know that, that number sounds difficult in terms of putting your head around it, but it's in the 350 million. So lots of opportunity to grow. And it's everything from field force automation, point-of-sale, think of the smart metering kinds of applications. Really, it, to me, is going to be the next driver of growth in terms of how business and B2C applications drive the market. And in terms of the ARPU question, a very different profile, right? So the ARPUs are somewhere in the mid $5 range per month, but think of it as very good margin. And by the way, when you make the transaction, they're in the thousands because they're sticky, they're enterprise which deal with either their point of presence, their employee base or in many case interactions with their customers. So it's an area that frankly, we feel very good about and we see the opportunity to really drive growth as we go forward.

Your next question will come from the line of Adam Shine of National Bank Financial.

Most of my questions on cable wireless have been asked, so I'll revert to media. The guidance reflects, for EBITDA, I guess sort of flat to down. Some of the pressure obviously comes from the benefit of the NHL lockout in the Q4. Anything else worth talking about in terms of sort of profit/margin trends going into '13?

Thanks, Adam. It's Tony here. In terms of -- as we look to 2013 on the media side, as you said, we benefited from the NHL lockout in 2012. That helped at our EBITDA or adjusted operating profit by about $30 million. So when you back that out and you look at our guidance range going into 2013, I think what you see is pretty healthy year-on-year growth in EBITDA. It'll continue to revolve around, on the revenue side, our key strategies. So around the sports properties and the content related to that as well as continued strength in each of the other segments within that business.

Anything -- sorry, Tony, anything to highlight and/or for Keith in regards to ongoing progress with Citytv as well as anything related to price increases or subscriber price increases that is related to Sportsnet?

Well, in terms of City Television, obviously we've had a significant increase in terms of our distribution where we are now in 80% of Canadian homes, which is up 20% from where we were last year. So we're now actually playing in the national advertising game. Our ratings this fall are up 21% more than any other network. And for the first time ever, we have 2 shows in the top 20, which is Two Broke Girls and How I Met Your Mother. In terms of Sportsnet, we have some distribution deals that will expire this year. We solidified ourselves in the west with the Vancouver Canucks in a 10-year announcement earlier this year. We've also added the indie [ph], the Tour de France, and we've purchased the Grand Slam of Curling. So from a sports perspective, we continue to grow and get closer and closer to our overall goal of being Canada's #1 sports media brand. And without getting into any financial details, there's significant synergies with The Score. Obviously, both of us own newsrooms and run newsrooms, so pending CRTC regulatory approval. And we believe that it's a wonderful complementary service to our Sportsnet and Sportsnet ONE, so we don't foresee that being a problem with a key focus on information and news and commentary. I think that we're really well positioned to grow the Sportsnet brand from both the top line revenue growth and an EBITDA perspective in 2013.

Your next question will come from the line of Jeff Fan of Scotiabank.

My question is on wireless. Looking at the smartphone penetration figure, you ended the year, I think, just under 70%. If we kind of do the math on the percentage of gross adds coming in on smartphones, it's roughly, I think, 70%. So given that smartphone penetration seems to be a pretty big driver of data revenue growth and ARPU growth, just wondering whether there's room for that penetration number to continue to go up? I know the industry always talks about very high numbers, so I'm just wondering what your thoughts are going forward on that number?

Yes, Jeff. It's a great question and part of it will become a little bit definitional. I do believe as we get deeper and deeper into the penetration of smartphone at some point the willingness of customers, the readiness, the financial capability of customers to step up to the higher dollar amounts for those, both the devices and for the plans, will become more challenged. And I believe that over time, every phone will be a smartphone, nobody will be able to do without data. But the ones that are coming, the next 30%, call it, will definitely be at least in the latter stages at lower ARPU levels. So I think there's still lots of growth. I think people want to have their Internet with them wherever they go, with their email wherever they go and we only need to look around us to see that. I just think that the last couple of tranches will be willing to pay just a little bit less for it and we'll have to cleverly, as an industry, figure out how to accommodate that.

Jeff, it's Nadir. Just to add just 1 or 2 small points. I think the other thing that we shouldn't lose sight of is the 70% penetration that we have, or close to 70%, will also be using a lot more data and consuming applications and content over the Internet. And that's going to continue to drive. So I think penetration is obviously a proxy for how much consumption, but usage is going to be a bigger factor. And the notion of multiple devices by people needs to also be factored in. So I think over time penetration will be replaced by some other metric. And if you think it's something that Rob mentioned just a while back, the LTE network, it sort of goes hand-in-hand. These are circuitous in a sense that more people using it aided by a network that's clearly built for data in turn will drive consumption. So we see lots of room for growth in this area.

Your next question will come from the line of Blair Abernethy of Stifel, Nicolaus, Canada. Blair H. Abernethy - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc., Research Division: Congratulations, Nadir. I look forward to working with you at least one more year here. Two quick ones from me. Tony, could you just update us on the Mountain Cable, the overall Shaw transaction, or particularly the Mountain Cable, and just clarify any change on timing there? And I assume it's not in your guidance today?

Thanks, Blair. That's correct. The Mountain acquisition is not factored into our guidance numbers. In terms of the transaction that was announced shortly after our year end, the expectation is that we are to receive regulatory approval for that in the second quarter, if we're lucky, towards the end of the first quarter. And on that front, it continues to proceed. Blair H. Abernethy - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc., Research Division: Okay, great. And my other question is just around home automation, you haven't -- hasn't been discussed on the call. How is that business line proceeding?

Blair, it's Rob. Listen, to give you a brief summary, as you know, we have our kind of our first full year on Rogers Smart Home Monitoring, so it's still early days, making great progress. It's a different business. There's a lot of synergies with our existing business, but we spent the year continuing to build out the channels, the lead generation mechanisms and other things. It was a successful year as we benchmarked ourselves against our cable peers south of the border. As the percentage penetration of our base, we outgunned most of the U.S. players. So we're pleased with the progress that we're making. We think it's going to be a significant contributor in the long run to helping us grow revenue, reduce churn amongst our users, another opportunity for us to bundle our customers. So it's early days. We're thrilled with the progress that we're making and watch for us to do more and more and make the product more sophisticated and move it even further into the home automation space.

And ladies and gentlemen, we do have the time for 2 more questions today. The first of which will come from Greg MacDonald of Macquarie Capital Markets.

Let me ask the question on cable guidance, 0 to 3% on revenue, just put up a quarter of 1.7%. I think most people would conclude that the PSU outlook is probably kind of current trends at best. So I'm wondering if you can give us some insight on what the ARPU outlook is, and in particular, are there price increase plans? And is that kind of what's going into it? And generally speaking, can you answer us what does it take to get to the high end of that range?

Yes, Greg. Thanks, it's Nadir. I think if you look at our cable business, it's becoming, and to be honest, a bit of a misnomer. Frankly, our lead and anchor service is the Internet, and you've seen the ARPU lift that we've had on Internet and we continue to expect that to grow. In terms of overall revenues, it's a function of obviously the pricing changes, the consumption that we have. Frankly, in this environment, the competitive environment we're in, we've got lots of discounts and promotions. We've got an IPTV competitor who has invested obviously a lot of money and is looking to invest with a lot of aggressive discounting. And so our response has been, we've got a great product. We'll manage the discounting and balance out what we do on share versus margin, literally on a day-to-day basis. The team over with Rob is focused on getting that balance right. We have a sense of what their IPTV footprint looks like now and what we'll expand to. I'll remind people that the further they expand, there is more risk of cannibalization on their part, which works in our favor. And frankly, I feel very good about our position on the Internet. So to answer your question, it's the range is what it is. There's a different set of drivers, if you look at video versus Internet versus home phone. And to be clear, our focus is on growing the overall by growing Internet.

Your final question today will come from the line of David McFadgen of Cormark Securities.

Yes, a question on the wireless churn. So first of all, when you look at the churn number given smartphones almost 70% of your base, would the smartphone churn really be that much different than the overall postpaid churn?

Yes, David, it's Rob. Yes, absolutely. We still see the churn amongst smartphones being lower than the average, but of course, as it gets to be a greater and greater percent, that gap closes between the churn of the average and the churn of smartphones. But there are some specific smartphone models that are down as low as 0.8% churn. So again, it depends on the device as you would expect.

And this does conclude the question-and-answer session for today. Mr. Mann, please continue.

I just wanted to take a moment to thank everybody on behalf of the management team here at Rogers for investing your time with us this morning. We know it's a very busy period for everybody. We appreciate your interest and support. And if there were people that had questions that either didn't get through the queue or after the questions that were answered still out there, if you just call either myself or my colleague, Dan Coombes. Both of our contact information is on this morning's release. We will get in touch as soon as we can. So this concludes today's teleconference. Thank you very much.

And thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude the conference call for today. We thank you for your participation and you may now disconnect your lines.