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RCM Technologies, Inc. (RCMT)

Q2 2017 Earnings Call· Thu, Aug 10, 2017

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Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for joining the RCM Technologies Second Quarter Earnings Conference Call. Your host for today, Rocco Campanelli will begin.

Rocco Campanelli

Management

Good morning, everyone. This is Rocco Campanelli, President and CEO. Welcome to the RCM Technologies' 2017 second quarter earnings call. I'm joined today by Kevin Miller, our Chief Financial Officer. Kevin will begin with the legal disclaimer and then I will summarize the operating results for each of our operating units, then we will open it up for questions.

Kevin Miller

Management

Good morning. Our presentation in this call contains forward-looking statements. The information contained in the forward-looking statements is based on our beliefs, estimates and assumptions and information currently available to us, and these matters may materially change in the future. Many of these beliefs, estimates and assumptions are subject to rapid changes. For more information on our forward-looking statements and the risks, uncertainties and other factors to which they are subject, please see the periodic reports on Forms 10-K, 10-Q and 8-K that we file with the SEC, as well as our press releases that we issue from time-to-time. Rocco?

Rocco Campanelli

Management

Thanks Kevin. We are pleased with our 2017 second quarter results, meeting our expectations. We are particularly excited about finishing the second quarter with a strong June, which bodes well for the second half of fiscal 2017. Despite third quarter seasonality across our business units, especially in our Health Care division due to school closings over the summer, we expect our operating income for the second half of fiscal 2017 to exceed our first half of fiscal 2017. I'll discuss each division separately. Following a strong first quarter, our second quarter 2017 Engineering revenues and gross profits grew about 10% and 13%, respectively, over second quarter 2016. Most of that growth came from our Energy Services and Power Systems group in both the U.S. and Canada. Our best performer for the second quarter was our Energy Services Group, which operates in both the USA and Canada. Our focus on the transmission and distribution market a few years ago is really starting to pay dividends, as this division posted revenues of $8.7 million in the second quarter of 2017, growth of about 23% over second quarter 2016. Energy Services expects to continue the solid performance through the remainder of the year. Some notable accomplishments included the Exelon award of a Specialty Engineer of Choice contract for their nuclear and fossil groups. In addition, we were awarded a general services agreement on the transmission and distribution side for Baltimore Gas and Electric, Delmarva and Atlantic City Electric and Gas and continue to be awarded small to medium-size projects. RCM continues to provide support to be PSEG and is supporting the building of a new 480-megawatt plant for PSEG at Sewaren. RCM has personnel on site to oversee the construction, procurement, logistics and engineering for the new facility. In addition, RCM is working…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question is going to come from the line of Bill Sutherland from Benchmark. Please go ahead.

Rocco Campanelli

Management

Hi Bill.

Kevin Miller

Management

Hi Bill.

Bill Sutherland

Analyst

Hey Kevin, hey Rocco. Nice quarter. Just couple of and thanks for all the color Rocco on the segments. Actually start Kevin with you, EPS, wanted to just get the, it's not in the press release, I know it's in the Q, but the shares outstanding that you used, it looks like it's pretty much unchanged. And then, what would be EPS adjusted for the changing contingent consideration?

Kevin Miller

Management

Actually we did put it in the press release.

Bill Sutherland

Analyst

Oh it is?

Kevin Miller

Management

Yes, you jumped it. So for the 13 weeks ended 2017, it would be $0.08.

Bill Sutherland

Analyst

Okay. That is what I calculated.

Kevin Miller

Management

And for the 26-weeks it’s $0.12.

Bill Sutherland

Analyst

Okay.

Kevin Miller

Management

Yeah, we put a supplemental, I don’t know if you saw the supplemental operating results page in the press release?

Bill Sutherland

Analyst

Yeah, I have got too many pages open here.

Kevin Miller

Management

No worries.

Bill Sutherland

Analyst

Thanks a lot. The RAF contribution in the quarter, Rocco, was that one reason for the 23% uptick in the

Rocco Campanelli

Management

No RAF is pretty small.

Kevin Miller

Management

The RAF acquisition just so you understand, we bought a name and a lot of referenceable projects, and we brought over two engineers, we're excited to have on staff. We didn't really pay much for that, as you'll see in the quarter. We paid – we basically assumed about $100,000 in liabilities, roughly. There was no cash exchanged for that. We bought that, and Rocco can talk a little bit more about the capabilities, but we bought it because they have a lot of referenceable projects in a new service line for us. There are some nice projects coming up that we’re going to bid on as the result of having these two people on board. And the former owner has been retained as a consultant, to help us sell some new projects. But this was really a purchase about potential future projects that we think we can win, the contribution in the quarter was I don't know maybe $25,000 in revenues, it's really insignificant contribution in the short term.

Rocco Campanelli

Management

Yeah, RAF was all about getting into tank inspection, cleaning and repair, oil tank inspection, cleaning and repair. They're significant requirements for utilities to maintain the structural integrity of their large oil and gas tanks. And RAF, believe it or not, being as small as they were, were the go to people to do the vast majority of tank inspection, cleaning, engineering and repair on EPC basis for consolidated Edison Company of New York. And they had several contracts in the order of $5 million for this small company to manage a very, cleaning and repair for Con Edison in the past. And we know the future will bring similar contracts. And the main principle of the organization is someone we've known for a really long time and have worked with. And he was ready to retire and decided that he was going to turn the company over to his partner or sell it. And they thought, we’re comfortable selling it with us. This is not an unknown company to us, we've dealt with them for many years.

Kevin Miller

Management

This is the high upside, zero-risk acquisition for us. Historically, their net revenues, in a good year, could be $300,000 to $500,000 because they would outsource the majority of the work. When we win some of these projects, we are going to try and keep a little bit more of that work in-house, rather than hiring subs. So we think the combination of a much bigger balance sheet and bigger company and with a reputation that we have at the same clients that RAF was serving, this could help us win some nice contracts in the future. So this was a very low-risk acquisition with some nice upside to it.

Bill Sutherland

Analyst

No I didn’t mean to –

Kevin Miller

Management

Yeah, I just wanted to give you a little bit more background because obviously, you're can only glean so much from a press release. But the answer to your question they had virtually no contribution in the second quarter.

Bill Sutherland

Analyst

Rocco, when you talked about the Health Care group. You said potentially getting to a $20 million quarter in Q4, did I get that?

Rocco Campanelli

Management

Yes you did.

Bill Sutherland

Analyst

Okay and what would be kind some of the more is that kind of like all the, does that just proportionately mean something?

Kevin Miller

Management

Well the biggest drivers there, frankly, are going to be – we think we're going to see a pickup in the Travel business, which faced a little bit of a low in Q2, relative to where we've been. But probably the two biggest pieces are we won that para contract in Hawaii last year, and we got -- we've started behind the eightball because of the protest, we didn't get to start placing paras until October. So our competitors had a two month of a head start on us. We were still able to get about 100 paras by the end of the year and that was just like a slow month-by- month ramp. We have 140 paras out right now for the August school year and a lot of the paras don't start before, the Hawaii school year starts in August, starts in early August. And we already have 140 on. We think we have a real good chance of getting it up to 200 by the end of this year. This is a little bit speculative, because it one thing to think you are going to put ex-number of paras out but it is actually another thing to actually do it. But we think we can put 200 out by the end of this calendar year. And there is a possibility to put more on that, as we stretch out through the second half of the 2017, 2018 Hawaii school year. Also, Rocco mentioned New York. And as you know, the New York Board of Education has been a client of ours for 20 years. And they bid new contracts about every five years, and we just did a new contract in early 2017 for the start of 2017-2018 school year. And we expect that contract to be five years, a three year initial contract and then hopefully two one year renewals that are at the exclusive option of the New York City Board of Education. At our height we had about 240 paras out last year, but we won way more districts, we won way more primary listings through paras and

Rocco Campanelli

Management

We didn’t hear and we won.

Kevin Miller

Management

Yes, there has been a verbal award. Thank you Rocco, we have not signed a contract there yet. But – and even in some of the other nonpara areas, we are very excited about what we're being told in terms of what we've won. And it's hard to say, how many paras going to put out at New York but we think we're going to do a lot more than 240. So that's what's driving our, those three factors are the biggest factors, driving our optimism for fourth quarter, which -- so Hawaii starts the beginning of August, okay? So we'll get two months of Hawaii in Q3 and three months in Q4 and then when we look at New York City and Chicago, they both start in early September. So we'll get one month from those two, we're not expecting any material shifts in the Chicago contract but – because we're in the middle of a contract there, we're three years into a five year contract with two one year renewals there as well. But as far as the New York City contract, we think we did $12 million with them in this 2016, 2018 contract, and we're real optimistic about getting some nice growth on that $12 million, starting in September of Q3. So it won't have as big of an impact on Q3 because it's only one month, but we think we can have a really nice uptick in both New York and Hawaii and Travel in the fourth quarter of this year, which is what is causing us to think we have a good shot at hitting $20 million. Obviously, we have to execute and we have to put the people out that we think we can but we're real optimistic about -- basically, a hitting a new run rate level with the Health Care business in the fourth quarter of this year.

Bill Sutherland

Analyst

So that New York City Contract, they must be – you must be pretty close to a signing, given it's mid-August?

Kevin Miller

Management

You would hope so, but we this contracts, we have signed them in July and we've signed them in September. It just, you're talking about a government institute and

Rocco Campanelli

Management

Just sign when it ready.

Kevin Miller

Management

Sign when it is ready. So ..

Rocco Campanelli

Management

In general if they go we go.

Bill Sutherland

Analyst

And Kevin did you say you have seen early signs of a pick up in travel racks?

Kevin Miller

Management

Yes. I can’t say we are going to get back to the $3.6 quarterly level, but I think we're going to see a nice up tick from where we were in Q2.

Bill Sutherland

Analyst

And your seasonality in Q2, what's is it related to?

Kevin Miller

Management

For the travel business Yeah, I think that this just less travel doing non-travel month. People tend to travel more in the summer and as you know the Travel business a lot of time is filling gaps in the hospitals, right? Additionally, we've seen some other pressures in that business, one related to all the uncertainty around our health care nationally, right? I think we've sort of – our guys are feeling like the hospitals are a little bit cautious about some of these discretionary-type spends because there's so much uncertainty around what's going on with health care in general, right? And then, one of other thing that we've seen is, and as you know, Bill, we work through the big guys like Cross Country and AMN, and what we've seen is, as there's been a little bit of pressure on the amount of spending there, they've sort of tried to contract a little bit and keep more of the business and not coming out of few. They are trying to fill more than – but as we hope the demand will increase, it becomes more and more difficult for them to fill up themselves because they just don't have enough recruiters.

Bill Sutherland

Analyst

And then just actually one more on IT. What signs are you seeing the 2H – the second half could be up a bit from first half?

Kevin Miller

Management

I am sorry for which one though.

Bill Sutherland

Analyst

For IT, what is the signs that you’re seeing that the second half could be up a bit from the first half?

Rocco Campanelli

Management

We just have more staff at this point and seem to be having more opportunities than we had in the first half and our solutions group is doing pretty well at their key clients. So it's just a matter of starting the second half with more billable heads and more higher-percentage wins than we had in the first half. And in the first half in a couple of our solutions groups, we've had higher underutilized permanent staff then we had -- that we generally have. And right now, our utilization is much improved with our permanent staff. So that's why we feel that we're going to do better.

Bill Sutherland

Analyst

Okay, DSO, Kevin as you guys calculate them?

Kevin Miller

Management

So we ended Q2 with about 86 DSOs, which is an improvement -- a pretty big improvement. We had about 103 end of Q1, 2016, and we've just slowly initiated various actions to get them down. So we've gotten them down to 86 as of the end of Q2. I don't know if we're going to get there, but my goal is to get it under 80 by the end of the year.

Bill Sutherland

Analyst

And what are you guys thinking about with all the cash? What are the capital, sort of a, plans?

Kevin Miller

Management

Well that is really good question. This is something we discussed frequently in terms of the capital allocation in our board meetings. And certainly, we've got a take a balanced approach in terms of investing in the business and striving to maximize return on equity. But you know what the obvious levers are, which are potentially doing some small low-risk, high-reward acquisitions. And potentially giving some money back to the shareholders through either a buyback or a dividend. Although I would say a dividend is probably a more likely scenario than doing a buyback. But I will say that, where our current debt levels are right now, they are little a bit low. So certainly, by the end of the year, we'd like to see a little bit more leverage. We are at the low end of our leverage ratio right now. We do have a couple of earnouts that need to be paid at the end of this year, but I think that probably in the November time frame, we'll make some decisions in terms of what we want to do, and we'll look and see what kind of acquisition -- potential acquisitions we have on tap. We're very conservative about making acquisitions.

Rocco Campanelli

Management

We do have a pretty nice high probability, attractive acquisition on the horizon, that we are very interested in.

Kevin Miller

Management

But that's a relatively small -- but we do have an acquisition -- a small acquisition on the engineering side that we expect to close, if not late in Q3, early in Q4. But we will take a hard look at where our debt is and make whatever decision we think makes sense, as far as capital allocation towards the end of the year. But I think, a dividend will be a very strong consideration.

Bill Sutherland

Analyst

Okay thanks for all the color. Thanks

Kevin Miller

Management

Thanks Bill

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Gentlemen, I don’t see any caller in queue.

Rocco Campanelli

Management

Well, thank you very much for joining the call. And we’ll update you again in a couple of months. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

I would like to say thank you ladies and gentlemen for joining. You may now disconnect. And have a great day.