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Q3 2023 Earnings Call· Tue, Nov 7, 2023

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Operator

Operator

Greetings. Welcome to the Redwire's Space Q3 2023 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator Instructions] Please note, this conference is being recorded. I'll now turn the conference over to your host, Jeff Zeunik, Senior Vice President-Financial Planning & Analysis and Investor Relations. You may begin.

Jeff Zeunik

Analyst

Thank you, Shamali, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to Redwire's third quarter 2023 earnings call. We hope that you've seen our earnings release, which we issued yesterday afternoon. It has also been posted in the Investor Relations section of our website at redwirespace.com. Let me remind everyone that during the call, Redwire management may make forward-looking statements that reflect our beliefs, expectations, intentions, or predictions of the future. Our forward-looking statements are subject to risk and uncertainties that are described in more detail on Slide 2. Additionally, to the extent we discuss non-GAAP measures during the call, please see Slide 3, our earnings release or the investor presentation on our website for the calculation of these measures and GAAP reconciliations. As previously mentioned, I am Jeff Zeunik, Redwire's Senior Vice President of Financial Planning and Analysis and Investor Relations. Joining me on today's call are Peter Cannito, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer; and Jonathan Baliff, Chief Financial Officer. With that, I would like to turn the call over to Pete. Pete?

Peter Cannito

Analyst

Thank you, Jeff. During today's call, I will take you through a discussion of our key accomplishments in the third quarter of 2023, followed by Jonathan, who will present the financial highlights for the same period. We will also discuss our continuing outlook for the remainder of 2023, after which we will open the floor for Q&A. Please move to Slide 6. I'm pleased to report that the third quarter was another record quarter for financial performance at Redwire. Our ability to deliver a wide breadth of high quality solutions and products to our customers is enabling us to deliver tangible financial results for our shareholders. During the third quarter of 2023, we once again achieved record revenues, gross profit and adjusted EBITDA. We expanded our margins with a beneficial shift in product mix. We continued to balance top line and bottom line growth which supports our sustainable financial position and we demonstrated resilience from our diversity of products, customers and end markets during a highly dynamic period in the space industry. Please turn to Slide 7. The third quarter of 2023 was another excellent quarter for Redwire, during which we continued our momentum from the first half of 2023. We have now delivered 3 consecutive quarters of positive adjusted EBITDA and revenue growth. We achieved $62.6 million in Q3 revenue, a year-over-year quarterly growth of 68.1% from the third quarter of 2022 to the third quarter of 2023. We achieved positive adjusted EBITDA of $4.9 million in Q3, a $6.4 million increase on a year-over-year basis from the third quarter of 2022 to the third quarter of 2023. We achieved a net loss of $6.3 million, a $4.1 million year-over-year improvement from the third quarter of 2022 to the third quarter of 2023 and we achieved free cash flow…

Jonathan Baliff

Analyst

Thank you, Pete. Before I turn to the financial results, let me just highlight on this slide it's rendering for NASA's upcoming Dragonfly mission. Redwire is proud to have been selected to supply critical navigation technology for this groundbreaking mission to advance humanity search for building blocks of life on Saturn's largest moon, Titan. Please turn to Slide 17. Similar to the other quarters this year, the next few pages will quantify and expound on a number of themes that Pete just talked about, including key financial takeaways starting with the financial quarterly metrics shown on these charts and then continuing on with other quarterly, year-to-date, and last 12-month financial information. An important point to reiterate in detail for this third quarter's financials is that Redwire's excellence and execution initiatives and our global team continue to deliver on our growth promises and our path to profitability as we scale our business with record revenues, record gross margin and profit, and record adjusted EBITDA once again this quarter. So, let's discuss the specifics. As Pete spoke about in his introduction, this chart shows the continuing 2023 trend of positive year-over-year results across all our financial metrics, starting with the achievement of record revenue of $62.6 million in the third quarter of 2023. We achieved our third quarter -- our third consecutive positive adjusted EBITDA quarter since becoming a public company, again a record adjusted EBITDA of $4.9 million in this third quarter. Similar to the last two quarters, better adjusted EBITDA occurred primarily due to a more than doubling of gross profit year-over-year and is attributable to disciplined program management and continued cost controls. These same factors also contributed to a $4.1 million year-over-year improvement in a net loss of $6.3 million in the third quarter of 2023. In the third…

Peter Cannito

Analyst

Thank you, Jonathan. Please turn to Slide 23 for a brief discussion of the outlook for the remainder of 2023. For 2023, we reaffirm our full year guidance range of $220 million to $250 million, which represents 46% year-over-year growth at the midpoint of the range. As you can see from our presentation, Redwire continues on our path to profitability and continues to deliver now with strong operational and financial performance, while investing in our future, resulting in a strong pipeline and future backlog. With that, I'd like to thank all of the Redwire professionals around the world for their hard work and an excellent third quarter, and all our customers for trusting Redwire. We will now open the floor for questions.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Mike Crawford with B. Riley Securities.

Mike Crawford

Analyst

Thank you. Pete and Jonathan, first of all, I'm really impressed by not only the gross margins -- I know you mentioned mix, but also the jump in pipeline by I think $800 million from last quarter and the $200 million jump in bids submitted waiting for proposal. Can you just dive into that bid pipeline in a little bit more detail for us, like have you lost any bids? Are there any big awards that you're expecting before the end of this year? I know Q4 is usually a pretty good bookings quarter for you.

Peter Cannito

Analyst

Yes. Hey, Mike. How are you? Yes, this is Pete. Appreciate your question. Yes, so, again, we're always bidding, as a result, we're always losing, but we're also always winning. And I really am very proud of, quite frankly, the team for the growth in that pipeline. So thank you for calling it out, because we really have started to hit our rhythm in terms of regularly being out in front of new opportunities and increasing our bid tempo, and that's really important for our growth. We don't typically project awards by quarter. There's a lot of reasons for them, not least of which is that some of these are very hard to predict when you have a dynamic government situation, as well as just the general dynamic things going on in the space industry right now. But yes, we expect a regular tempo of awards. They do tend to be pretty lumpy. We are bidding things over $100 million in our pipeline. So I know that I'll -- if it's not your next question, one of the questions will be about our book-to-bill for the quarter, so I can start talking about that right away. But typically what will happen is we'll win a big bid and then we'll work it off for a while, while we're submitting more big bids. And then book-to-bill will pop up but the timing of that is pretty difficult to predict. And that's why we always try to guide people towards that yearly or last 12 months a book to bill ratio because the timing of our really large awards make it difficult to really have a meaningful number in terms of book-to-bill on a quarterly basis. Did I answer your question?

Mike Crawford

Analyst

Yes, partially Pete. Maybe if I come at it from a slightly different angle in the context of the reaffirmed guidance you gave of $220 million to $250 million for the year? I mean that implies that fourth quarter revenue could be anywhere from $40 million to $70 million with the range that you have, I would imagine we'd have to have an absolute government shutdown for you to be anywhere near $40 million. But what would have to happen or what are the things that could happen that could actually spike your revenue up to $70 million in the fourth quarter?

Peter Cannito

Analyst

Yes. Well, the timing of awards, it's the key to that, right. So, a lot of our customers, they're not focused on fiscal year-end -- or in the case of the government, their fiscal year ends in October or late September. So they're not seeing it as a calendar year dynamic. So the timing could materially shift things one way or the other. Although let me talk to you a little bit about our approach to guidance. As you know, we're a fairly young public company and we've set out kind of three guiding principles for our guidance. Number one is to keep it simple; number two is to take a long-term view; and number three is to be somewhat conservative on our approach, so we're not giving people -- we're not confusing the marketplace as we move forward here. So from the guidance perspective, the approach that we're taking is giving guidance at the beginning of the year and then sticking with that guidance throughout the year despite the quarter-to-quarter perturbation as a way of just kind of keeping the guidance simple, accurately reflecting our year-on-year pathway and delivering what we say we're going to do.

Mike Crawford

Analyst

I'll just ask one more, and it's more of a broader question about what you think the state of the -- what is the outlook for commercial LEO destinations in ISS that might -- provided that which might actually even be extended beyond 2030 now and where Redwire fits in amongst all that?

Peter Cannito

Analyst

So, what I'm excited about with Redwire is that we believe that the United States and our allies will always have a presence in LEO. Right now, that presence is the International Space Station. And we're participating a lot in the development -- research and development that's happening in LEO on the ISS. As commercial LEO destinations come online, we're actively engaged with all of the different providers out there to provide the capability that we've been providing to the ISS and quite frankly, not only NASA, but ESA. So they see us as a leader because we're proven and therefore the net-net on commercial LEO to us and of course, we're watching this very closely and weren't terribly surprised by the fact that NASA, if they need to, will extend the life of the ISS, we really basically continue to perform and generate revenue off of our services to LEO development, whether it's a government space station or whether it's a commercial space station. So, for us, we feel pretty comfortable both ways.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Suji DeSilva with ROTH MKM.

Suji DeSilva

Analyst · ROTH MKM.

Hi, Peter, hi, Jonathan. Congratulations on the progress here. So, just curious on the free cash flow, the CapEx spending. Is that spending -- does that need to happen ahead of your programs coming online or is that something that customers -- you're kind of doing on a success basis as programs ramp?

Peter Cannito

Analyst · ROTH MKM.

Hey, Suji, how are you? Good to hear from you. It depends. So, we have CapEx expenditures associated with ground support equipment developing, are really large solar array wings for the power and propulsion element of gateway. That would be a good example of a CapEx supporting near-term programs. We also have our most recently built RF chamber that supports our antenna business for customers like the SDA, and a pretty large percentage of our future pipeline associated with antennas. So in some cases, it's to support ongoing operations, and in other cases, it's built to support a more recent and emerging program wins as well as what we anticipate to be growth areas in the company. Jonathan, I don't know if you want to add anything to that.

Jonathan Baliff

Analyst · ROTH MKM.

No, exactly. I mean, the expenditures that we make for equipment, a lot of it's captured in the contracts themselves and paid for by the contracts, right? So -- but a lot of the CapEx that Pete for example used perfect examples is an example of CapEx that we can use, I mean these pieces of equipment last a long time and can be used on other contracts. That's why you're seeing a level of efficiency. The only I would add to Pete's comments is, the return -- we watch these return on invested capital, this CapEx very, very closely and that's why you're seeing the narrowing of our cash flow from operations has happened because we're focused on those returns happening for our investments earlier, and then obviously with a threshold that's got to meet. There's a discipline to this process, Suji.

Suji DeSilva

Analyst · ROTH MKM.

And then sticking to the financials, the gross margin side, you talked in the prepared remarks about gross margin tailwind from mix. Can you just remind us the relative gross margins, how should we think about that in segments and where the mix tailwinds are versus headwinds in gross margin or relative gross margins?

Peter Cannito

Analyst · ROTH MKM.

Yes, so we don't have segments, so our gross margin is our gross margin. What I can tell talk to you about gross margin is the way we think about it is, one of the key things that I tried to highlight in my comments was this idea of avoiding growth at any cost. And I would say a year -- potentially two years ago, the industry was -- quite frankly, the investor community was primarily focused on top line growth really at any cost. I'm not sure Redwire was ever all in on that concept. But certainly, in the past year, we've been very selective about what we bid and we've been working very hard at sunsetting other programs that either came through acquisition or otherwise that had gross margin less than what we're targeting. So, that disciplined approach of selective bidding on programs that where we feel that we can maintain our margins is what's driving the changes you're seeing in gross margins right now. Did that answer your question?

Suji DeSilva

Analyst · ROTH MKM.

Yes, it does. And good to hear that you're doing that on the acquisitions. And then last question really on the demand in the civil area. You talked about some volatility around the U.S. government. Are you seeing actual program pushouts or positive reductions yet? Or is that just a sort of sense that there is some uncertainty there more broadly?

Peter Cannito

Analyst · ROTH MKM.

Yes, I think it's being prudent about watching closely what's going on in terms of budgeting, specifically for NASA. So, I wouldn't say it's always difficult to understand why the government does what they do. They publicly, I believe, just announced that they were pushing the LTV procurement out for instance. I can't say I don't have firsthand knowledge as to why that is. But we have to be realistic about that some of the congressional budgets that are being out there, I believe some of them are looking at rolling back masses budget to 2022 levels. Obviously, we have a fair amount of congressional budgeting or I would say maybe just U.S. government dysfunction going on right now. So, that's certainly going to find its way into the planning cycles. And so we just need everybody to be clear eyed and realistic about the potential risk associated with those dynamics.

Jonathan Baliff

Analyst · ROTH MKM.

I mean Suji, the only other thing I would say on that is, it is one of -- we're pretty deliberate about -- we're celebrating the year that we are partnered -- acquired Space NV, now Redwire Europe. And so, we're pretty deliberate about that. Obviously, we need our financial thresholds, which it's meeting, but also it allows us to diversify. And the ESA and other European governments are very much on a 3-year cycle of their budgeting as we've talked about with the investors and you. And that really helps diversify, as part of what the Redwire overall strategy is to be this, still grow this business, grow it profitably, but also make sure that it's a lower risk type of profile and take advantage of these opportunities as they come up globally.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Greg Konrad with Jefferies.

Greg Konrad

Analyst · Jefferies.

Maybe just to kind of bridge or follow-up to some of the prior questions. I mean, you're coming off the third straight strong quarter around EBITDA. I know you don't guide for the year, we can see what the revenue guidance is. But how are you thinking about the variability of profitability into Q4 and how much is tied to volume versus mix? I think you've talked investments in the past. And how are you thinking about maintaining positive EBITDA into the year-end?

Peter Cannito

Analyst · Jefferies.

So if you think about some of the comments I made on balancing top-line and bottom-line growth, I already touched on one aspect of this approach, that's the idea of being selective in our bidding. But we don't want to pass on very significant opportunities that may present itself in the pipeline that requires some investment upfront, because we've kind of talked ourselves into a corner, if you will, around EBITDA, right? So we're very focused on being profitable. We're very focused on selectively bidding programs that we could be profitable on. But there are instances where going back to the discussion on CapEx, we may be required to make an investment, of course, that won't hit EBITDA, that'll hit cash flow more, but there's other internal SG&A or B&P or IRAD dollars that do flow through SG&A that we might have to ramp up on in order to take advantage of some your positioning that we have. And we don't want to sub optimize our approach based on something like the guidance we're giving or what have you. So that's what we mean by balancing top line and bottom line growth is, if there is A, opportunity out there that includes a high probability win that will really transform Redwire as a business and we need to spend some of our SG&A money to go after that, we're going to do it. So does that answer your question?

Greg Konrad

Analyst · Jefferies.

Yes, that's helpful. And then maybe just to follow-up on PIL-BOX, and I think you've announced some other partnerships on the drug development side, plus with what you've done historically. Is there any way to think about the TAM of that market and just timing given some of your other partnerships and kind of where we are in terms of adoption and transition, given it seems like there's a lot of opportunities in that market?

Peter Cannito

Analyst · Jefferies.

Yes, it's a very interesting market. In the past when I've talked about Redwire is having a blue chip foundation with venture optionality, the biotech segment of our business is certainly part of that venture optionality, which I think is very exciting and maybe not people who invest in the aerospace industry specifically, but certainly people who invest in the biotech industry can appreciate the value of that. It's interesting. There's a lot of opportunities there. We've obviously been working on this for a long time. So even though this is the inaugural launch of PIL-BOX, we have been working on crystallization, as I mentioned, all the way going back to space shuttle. There is some market information on there around crystallization done at Earth. I don't have the TAM figures at my fingertips right now. Perhaps that's an item for follow-up in a future earnings call that we have where we can talk about that, but this is an existing market. The only thing that we're bringing to the market is an innovation where we could potentially, if the experiments are successful, change that. But it's pretty early days. I would say, the biggest step forward from a maturation perspective in my mind is the fact that we now have this partnership with Eli Lilly. So it's not just NASA funded research for the sake of research. There are actual commercial organizations who are really interested in the potential here, very serious commercial organizations, mind you. So that's encouraging. But again, we got to fly PIL-BOX, it's got to work, we got to look at the results. And I think as this progresses forward, we'll learn more. The exciting thing about having a positioning where you have a blue chip foundation with venture optionality is the future where Redwire is not dependent on the success of that one singular mission. But if we do make great strides here along with -- if we make great strides -- obviously, we announced the 3D printing of our meniscus and we have a number of really exciting opportunities associated with the bio printing on orbit as well as with those and other biotech experiments that we're conducting on orbit, if one of those takes off, as you can imagine, it would be exciting for us as a company. Jonathan, you want to add anything?

Jonathan Baliff

Analyst · Jefferies.

Just I want to remind you, Greg, that we do talk about in what we've disclosed is what we call our Redwire 101 that the explorer live and work in space for the benefit of humanity, which both of what Pete is talking about is for the benefit of us on Earth. It's a $5 billion to $10 billion TAM over the next 5 years. That includes some level of biotech, but it scratches the surface. Publicly disclosed numbers that we know the bio research, right, that doesn't include necessarily things associated with printing meniscuses, but just the pharma industry spends over $150 billion a year on research and development a year and this is the market that, just like they went to the Amazon 40 years ago, they're going to go to space. And so for us, we're going to be talking more about that in the future, but as Pete said, let's get our PIL-BOX successfully launched, but it's already planned in getting up there, and so let's talk about it later, Greg. But does give you some numbers here to allow you to see that we're only scratching the surface.

Greg Konrad

Analyst · Jefferies.

I mean it's the perfect name for the product, so good to ever name the product. And then maybe…

Peter Cannito

Analyst · Jefferies.

We will thank John, yes, [John Bellinger], you're out there. He runs this part and has been doing it for decades and so he named it, in association with Eli Lilly also.

Greg Konrad

Analyst · Jefferies.

And then maybe just to dig into national security a little bit more, I mean in the prepared remarks you talked a little bit about SDA and tranches and that market is much more stable and you kind of have the drivers versus your commentary around some of the commercial near-term headwinds. I mean, what's driving that growth? I mean, is there any way to think about SDA versus some of the other areas of national security that are lifting that business today?

Peter Cannito

Analyst · Jefferies.

So what's driving the growth national security space spending in general is obviously what I talked about in the prepared remarks about the geopolitical dynamics associated with space now being a warfighting domain? SDA in the near-term has been a big part of that. Proliferated LEO is fairly new, and so there's a fair amount of spending there. And as I mentioned, we're participating in those procurements on multiple teams, multiple tranches and we'll continue to do so. So that is obviously a big part of it, but there's also the classified budgets, which obviously are less public, but there's a lot of activity going on in there too through the intelligence community and other customers who operate against those budgets. So that's another, I think, critical aspect to the growth in national security. So again, without going into too much detail, there's a lot of -- with the idea that space is now considered a warfighting domain and the establishment of the Space Force, they really got their legs under them now as a service, and I think you're starting to see spending grow in a number of different areas around their mission set.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from the line of a Brian Kinstlinger with Alliance Global Partners.

Brian Kinstlinger

Analyst · Alliance Global Partners.

You reported bids submitted this year-to-date were $714 million. I'm curious first if you could share the value of the total bids that are still awaiting adjudication? I take it those numbers are not the same. What is your average win rate over the last year or two? And then as you've discussed the various market dynamics, what are your plans from now through, say, the end of 2024 in terms of investments, people or dollars, needed in sales and marketing to continue to grow your proposal efforts?

Peter Cannito

Analyst · Alliance Global Partners.

Okay. That was a lot. So, let me take a couple of at a time. I'll start with the last one. We are making investments in growing our bid and proposal efforts. We're currently in the process as we are every year at around this time in building our budgets. So I don't have the exact figures for you for 2024, but we will continue to invest in that area. On the rest of it, I think Jonathan…

Jonathan Baliff

Analyst · Alliance Global Partners.

Yes. Let me help you out, Brian. First of all, if you look at last quarter, the year-to-date submitted bids, it was roughly, let's call it, half. I'm not going to give the specifics, but it's publicly disclosed. A large increase in that are some of the bids that are pending. So, without -- because then we don't talk about what the future in the fourth quarter is doing, but you can get a sense of that from a number standpoint. Historically, the win ratio, which we have disclosed, we haven't disclosed it this year, but in the past, we've disclosed about a 40% win ratio, but I do have to emphasize what Pete talked about. We are very selective in what we're bidding to make sure that we are on that path to profitability of improved EBITDA, improved free cash flow, improved operating cash flow. It then gets the idea of then CapEx and other investments. We believe that this path to profitability has to take into account those investments. The whole idea of Redwire as a differentiated investment in space is to be more -- or as like any aerospace company to be able to fund a lot of our organic growth, if not most of it, through organic cash flow. And so that's -- we're on that path, a lot of it, we have to scale the business to be able to enjoy that, but we are on that path as you can see on a year to year basis. We don't give the specifics, but you look at the SG&A, a lot of that SG&A -- even though it's gone down significantly as percentage from 41% to less than 30%, a lot of that SG&A is for growth, right? We don't distinguish it, but it is for growth and resiliency. And so, you just need to understand that we have enough cash, we have enough liquidity to again continue with the growth rates that we talked about for 2023, but we're not going to do anything differently because it's working.

Peter Cannito

Analyst · Alliance Global Partners.

The only thing I'll add real quickly is, so win rates change obviously a lot, right, depending on what you're bidding, it can go up, it can go down based on any specific award, especially if you're using total dollars or revenue awarded. So if the goal -- or what your question is getting at is this idea of taking the number of bids under submitted, and trying to apply a win rate to it to project, I would say that because of the dynamic nature of the number of things that we're bidding, the size, the outsize of some of the bids as well as just how fast things are changing in general, I wouldn't use that as a straight thing if you want to really try to -- if you're trying to kind of come up with an algorithm for projecting future growth.

Brian Kinstlinger

Analyst · Alliance Global Partners.

Okay. Then I assume most of your contracts are fixed price, I'm not sure, may be you can share that. But in line with your strategy to grow profitably, how has your process for pricing of proposals changed over the last 12 to 18 months if at all?

Peter Cannito

Analyst · Alliance Global Partners.

So correct me if I'm wrong here, you have the exact percentages?

Jonathan Baliff

Analyst · Alliance Global Partners.

Yes, we generally say public disclosure, about 80% of our contracts are fixed price.

Peter Cannito

Analyst · Alliance Global Partners.

So, I mean, again, one of the things that Jonathan mentioned in his prepared remarks was this concept of excellence and execution. Excellence and execution is an internal initiative that we have, that really focuses on understanding the business in the details on how we bid and then how that bid translates into recognizing revenue and making sure that we have the programmatic discipline in place to hit our financial goals. So in that context, we spend a lot of time looking at pricing, and it has changed significantly. Especially as I mentioned, we're not looking at growth at any cost. So for instance, when we look at our pricing, we're looking at making sure that we're pricing in a way that will give us the highest potential path to profitability. So when you think about it from in that context, we are looking at all the different cost elements that go in, we're making sure that we apply risk factors associated with our firm fixed price bids as is traditional in the market. So we have a number of internal processes in place now and are continuously implementing process improvement across the business to make sure that we stay disciplined.

Operator

Operator

And we have reached the end of the question-and-answer session. And I'll now turn call back over to management for closing remarks.

Peter Cannito

Analyst

No, I appreciate everybody's questions. Once again, it was a really exciting quarter for us. We're very pleased with the performance. And I just want to thank all of our employees and customers out there, that is really what Redwire is all about. At the end of the day, it's our employees that delivered these numbers and it's the trust our customers given us that enable us continue to drive our overall performance. So, we appreciate everyone's time today. Thank you for listening and go Redwire.

Operator

Operator

And this concludes today's conference, and you may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.