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Q2 2023 Earnings Call· Thu, Jul 27, 2023

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Operator

Operator

Hello, and welcome to the RELX Half Year Results Webcast. There will be a presentation from management followed by Q&A. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to hand over to CEO, Erik Engstrom, to begin. Please go ahead.

Erik Engstrom

Analyst · UBS

Good morning, everybody. Thank you for taking the time to join us today. As you may have seen from our press release this morning, we delivered strong financial results in the first half, and we made further strategic and operational progress. Our improving long-term growth trajectory continues to be driven by the ongoing shift in business mix towards higher-growth analytics and decision tools that deliver enhanced value to our customers across market segments. Underlying revenue growth was 8%. Underlying adjusted operating profit growth was 16%. Adjusted earnings per share growth was 14% at constant currencies. And we have announced an increase in the pound sterling interim dividend of 8%. All 4 business areas grew well, with underlying adjusted operating profit growth in line with or ahead of underlying revenue growth. So let's look at the results for each business area. In Risk, strong fundamentals continue to drive underlying growth. Underlying revenue growth was 8% with underlying adjusted operating profit growth slightly ahead of underlying revenue growth. In business services, which represents around 45% of divisional revenue, growth continued to be driven by financial crime compliance and digital fraud and identity solutions with last year's acquisitions in compliance and behavioral biometrics performing well. Other segments saw some strengthening towards the end of the period. In insurance, representing just under 40% of divisional revenue, strong growth reflected the improvement in business momentum seen throughout the prior year. Customer proposition has been further strengthened by recent small acquisitions in the home and life insurance segment and new sales growth has remained strong. Specialized industry data services, which represents just over 10% of divisional revenue saw strong growth overall with commodity intelligence and aviation growing particularly strongly. Government, representing just over 5%, continued to grow well. Going forward, we expect another year of strong…

Nicholas Luff

Analyst · UBS

Thank you, Erik. Good morning, everyone. Let me start by providing more detail on the group financials. As Erik said, underlying revenue growth was 8% with underlying adjusted operating profit growth well ahead of that, at 16%. As a result, the adjusted operating margin improved by almost 2 percentage points to 33%. The improved operating results flowed through to adjusted earnings per share, which increased 14% at constant currency. Cash conversion was again strong at 95%, and leverage was 2.2x, slightly up from last year end, but down this time last year. Given the strong overall performance, [ we had to ] increased interim dividend by 8%, while returning dividend cover to 2x on a 12-month trailing basis. We spent GBP 111 million on 2 acquisitions in the first half, and we deployed GBP 550 million of the GBP 800 million planned for the share buybacks this year, with a further GBP 50 million having already been deployed since the end of June. Looking at revenue, you can see the continued strong growth in Risk, the sustained high growth rate in STM and a further pickup in growth in Legal. These growth rates, together with the continued recovery in Exhibitions, took underlying revenue growth for the group as a whole to 8%. Electronic revenue, representing 84% of the group total, saw 7% underlying growth. Total revenue growth at constant currencies for Exhibitions was well ahead of underlying growth because of favorable timing and cycling effects as we returned close to a normal event schedule. Being an odd year, 2023 full year will see net cycling out. So by the year-end, we expect cycling will be a drag of around 10 percentage points on Exhibitions' total revenue growth. Group revenue growth for the first half, taking into account small portfolio effects…

Erik Engstrom

Analyst · UBS

Thank you, Nick. Just to summarize what we have covered this morning. In the first half, we delivered strong financial results, and we made further strategic and operational progress. Our improving long-term growth trajectory continues to be driven by the ongoing shift in our business mix towards higher-growth analytics and decision tools. As we enter the second half, momentum remains strong across the group, and we expect underlying growth rates in revenue and adjusted operating profit to remain above historical trends, driving another year of strong growth in adjusted earnings per share on a constant currency basis. And with that, I think we're ready to go to questions.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from Adam Berlin from UBS.

Adam Berlin

Analyst · UBS

Three quick questions for me. Just firstly on Legal, can you talk a little bit about how the trial for the new AI product is going? Any feedback you can give, from the customers who are using that product, and whether that's going to have -- when you think that's going to have a revenue impact would be really helpful. Second question is on Exhibitions. When you talk about improving momentum throughout the first half, just thinking about how we model that, given what you said about cycling effects. Should we be thinking -- should we still be comparing to, say, 2019 and just thinking it's going to be a better percentage of 2019 in H2 versus H1? Or do we need to think about the cycling effects are different in 2023 as they were in 2019? So just some help in how we should model H2 Exhibition revenues would be helpful. And thirdly, just on interest costs. Just trying to think about those in H2, given that clearly, U.S. federal policy rate has gone up throughout the first half, but at the same time, the currencies changed, so that should be helpful to interest costs. Should we broadly be thinking the interest costs in H2 will be similar to H1?

Erik Engstrom

Analyst · UBS

Well, thank you, Adam. I'll cover the first one, and then I'll hand the next 2 over to Nick here. So you asked about Lexis+ AI. As you know, we previewed this with customers in May, and you asked about the customer response. We have had very positive customer response, both from people who've seen the previous and the small number of large customers that we've been working with now to actually continue to sort of refine the product. We have had several thousand customers that have signed up to be part of our go-forward insider program. And we're progressing well on the process exactly as we had planned on our planned time line, but we have not yet communicated any precise future dates or specific commercial terms to the market. So we will communicate that first to our customers before we do any other summarization at this level. But it's going well and we got a very positive response. And you said, when will we see this -- you asked, when will we see this come through in any type of market or revenue difference. Well, because we're not commercially out there yet, there shouldn't be any material impact this year on that because the main driver of the improvement in our Legal division now, the growth rate improvement that you've seen from first half last year of 4% to full year last year of 5% to this year now growing at 6%, that's driven by the Lexis+ platform, which has the integrated legal analytics that we've been working on for many years, and that's still the main driver of the improving growth trajectory in Legal, and we continue to be for a while. Nick?

Nicholas Luff

Analyst · UBS

Yes, Adam. So if you're looking at Exhibitions against full year 2019, you should take off 10% for the event portfolio as you know that we no longer run those shows. At current exchange rates, you need to knock off 4% or 5% for currency movements, particularly the yen and then whatever like-for-like comparison you want to use. And obviously, at the beginning of the year, we're running slightly behind on that. But as it says in the statement, we're now running ahead. And your last question on interest. Yes, [ 4.2% ] effective rate in the first half, it will be slightly higher than that in the second half based on where interest rates are right now. Currency, as you say, moves around a bit, but full year charge perhaps slightly more than double the first half.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Lisa Yang from Goldman Sachs.

Lisa Yang

Analyst · Goldman Sachs

I have 2. Just firstly, on Exhibitions, so now you're expecting margin to be above 2019 level. Could you maybe confirm how much you're expecting from China? So obviously, the JV was a [ GBP ] 283 million profit back in 2019. So where do you expect that figure to be for the full year? And where were you at the H1 level? That's the first question. And the second question is on AI more broadly. You're obviously the first, probably, company media to announce a new product incorporating generative AI. So just wondering if you could maybe give us an update on the progress you're making on integrated generative AI in other divisions and whether we should also start to see maybe new product launches in the coming sort of 6 or 12 months. And what you're seeing also from your competitors? Have they not come up with anything yet? So just wondering -- yes, any update on that would be helpful.

Erik Engstrom

Analyst · Goldman Sachs

I'll let Nick cover the first one, and then I'll get back and cover the second.

Nicholas Luff

Analyst · Goldman Sachs

Yes. So I mean, China is obviously not a huge part of our overall Exhibitions business. There's a bit of phasing difference because of this. We moved some events back [ over in the ] year. But full year, that's -- it looks pretty similar to 2019 by the -- in terms of the overall trends.

Erik Engstrom

Analyst · Goldman Sachs

And when it comes to AI, as I think I said earlier, we have been leveraging different types of AI technologies across our divisions for well over a decade in Risk, STM and Legal, and more recently, over the last few years, also in Exhibitions for specific types of applications, but much less. That's the [ old type ] what I consider extractive AI, which is the broader umbrella for machine learning, deep learning tools and algorithms that's used [ to ] scoring and prediction and helping you find things and look at things. So that's what we have been using for a very long time across those divisions. We have some large language model-based internal process support tools that have been ramped up, but they're not of any large scale at this moment, but using them a little bit in a couple of places. But we have several customer-facing initiatives being worked on across customer markets that are following the similar principle of what you've seen in Legal for Lexis+ AI. They have not yet been announced to our customers, and they are also going to be more market-specific and application-specific as opposed to what we're doing in Legal, which is really a Lexis+ AI upgrade to the whole platform, which will be a new platform covering the research and integrated analytics in the -- on the Legal side. I mean if you get specific, you could say, in Risk, we've been using AI for well over 15 years, where it's embedded in our algorithms. And in Risk, almost 90% of our revenue is really machine-to-machine, meaning that the old type of algorithms, sort of extractive AI and machine learning tools are very important to what we have done. And the generative AI step-up is a much smaller step than it is in a text-based segment like Legal, just as an example. And when it comes -- you also said what do we do -- what our competitors -- you asked about competitors as well, I think. And I think you're going to have to ask our competitors what they're doing, specifically. The way we see it is that the AI tools that are out there in the marketplace have been available for many years. The new ones are going to come out and be available to all users. And I have no doubt that competitors in our markets will also continue to look for ways to leverage it for their -- for building their analytics and their decision tools. We stay focused on how we can increase the value to our customers by modeling and developing our own tools.

Lisa Yang

Analyst · Goldman Sachs

And maybe if I could just ask a very quick follow-up. If you take, for instance, the longer term only, the [ turnover ] time view, let's say, next 3 to 5 years, what -- how do you think about the potential incremental revenue or margin benefit from generative AI for the group? I know it would be hard to quantify, but is it fair to say it should be, I don't know, positive, whether it's [indiscernible] basis points of revenue and [Technical Difficulty] margin?

Erik Engstrom

Analyst · Goldman Sachs

We don't think about it -- yes, unfortunately, we don't think about it this way because we think technologies have evolved for decades already and will continue to evolve for many decades to come. And we see as one of our key strategic sort of cornerstones is to continue to look for, to scout for, to test and to integrate new technologies as they come along. And we believe that our ability to do that has been behind the gradual improvement in our long-term growth trajectory that you have already seen in our divisions and have continued to see in this half year in Legal. And we believe that generative AI is just one of those technologies that will continue to support that direction of travel for many years to come.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Tom Singlehurst from Citi.

Thomas Singlehurst

Analyst · Citi

Hopefully, you can hear me. Tom here from Citi, 3 questions, if it's okay. Firstly, on Risk, can you just talk about your aggregate exposure to the interest rate cycle and sort of refinancing activity, which I expect is quite low? And the reason I ask is, I just wonder whether that will be a differentiator in terms of growth for you in Risk relative to the professional information peer group. So that was the first question I had with the exposure to interest rate cycle. Within Legal, I just -- it felt significant to me that you have talked about your growth in the past as being above historical trend. And now you're talking about it as continued strong growth. Are you formally signaling that we are just in a higher growth stage now for the Legal business? And then thirdly, on Exhibitions, great news on the margins. I'm just wondering, though, you've taken all that cost out of the backbone. And I'm just wondering whether that constrains revenue growth in any way or whether some of those sort of [indiscernible] sort of fixed costs you took out at some point have to come back in.

Erik Engstrom

Analyst · Citi

Okay. Risk, our exposure to the interest rate cycle. Well, our direct exposure to interest rate cycle is very low, just as you said, you're absolutely correct. But that's not something that we see as a big direct impact. Of course, there's always a bit of activity in some of our customer groups, financial services type customer segment where general activity levels might be slightly impacted by it. And I think we saw a little bit of that in last year and the beginning of this year, in particular, in some of our subsegments in business services. But that's a very small part of what we do. It's a small part of the influence on our growth rate. And the main tenet of what we are doing there is to provide higher value-add tools for them to drive financial crime compliance, fraud and identity, et cetera. So a very small impact is there, but it's very small, and it's not something that we think is going to be a major factor overall for the Risk division in any way. And as you can see, in the first half, we continue to run at basically pretty much the rate you would expect on average for us to continue to run. And we have not seen any change recently on that overall blended growth rate for the Risk division. Legal, you asked, we have been talking about the improving long-term growth trajectory now for a while and the fact that Legal has moved up above its historical trends and continue to improve from there. And we are now saying that, because of the higher value-add analytics and decision tools and the integrated platform that we're operating there, we are seeing higher customer interest in those tools. We're seeing higher customer usage, and we're seeing, therefore, increasing customer spend because they do see the value in these tools and they use them more. And we don't see any reason to believe that, that trend is going to reverse in any way. And that's why we're now saying that we believe that the growth rate in Legal will remain strong, which is what we laid [Technical Difficulty] what has happened in the first half of this year. So that's a correct interpretation. When it comes to Exhibition's cost structure, the answer is very simple, it's no. We don't believe that that's going to have any impact. We cleaned up the portfolio, eliminated about 10% of our revenue with a significant number of exhibitions at the beginning of COVID and changed the operating and management structure around that. That's why we now operate with a business that we believe now based on what we can see is heading towards a higher value-add business, higher growth and higher margin than it was before COVID.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Nick Dempsey from Barclays.

Nick Dempsey

Analyst · Barclays

I've also got 3 left. First of all, Thomson Reuters, we saw them spend $650 million on Casetext recently. Does that help them leapfrog you a little bit in terms of Gen AI legal offerings? Or it's a very expensive catch-up? Second question, in Risk and the insurance component, I think the volumes on shopping events were pretty strong, certainly through Q1, and you referenced that being helpful in the first half. When you look at the comps there, are we coming back to more normal levels of growth in the second half? Could that be slightly depressing on the growth rate of that part of Risk in the second half? And third question, end of June Plan S in the STM world in Europe for open access, those guys disallowed some of your journals as being not transformative. Does that create a problem when you come to renew your publisher and re-deals with several European countries or not?

Erik Engstrom

Analyst · Barclays

Well, first, on legal analytics and generative AI. And the companies you mentioned are -- have existed in our business, in our market segment for quite a while. They're out there with our customers. We have a lot of respect for our competitors. The question of who owns which subsegment and which tool is not something that we spend much time thinking about. We spend all our time thinking about our main strategy, which is the organic development of our data assets, of our analytical tools and now the incorporation of generative AI into those existing tools and into our existing platform. We believe that, for us, it's a better strategy to continue to build them organically and therefore, from the beginning, plan all the tools with full integration into our systems based on the architecture -- the modular architecture that we have built over the last several years. We think that way not just for generative AI inclusion, but also for all the other technologies that have come before and will continue to come in the future. That's how we approach it. And of course, there will always be other players in our market that also use those tools, but that's what you would have to expect in all our market segments. This is no exception. So we don't think that this changes our strategy or our approach to the market in any way. Risk, you asked about insurance. First of all, in the first half, we saw a continuation of the trends that we were building in the second half of last year, which was that both shopping activity and switching new policy activity build up during the second half, and they remained strong during the first half this year. Then just towards the end of the first…

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Matthew Walker from Credit Suisse.

Matthew Walker

Analyst · Credit Suisse

The first one is just -- I mean, people have asked questions about what new products you've got in AI coming out in other divisions. But just to think about how do you actually defend the content that you have to prevent it from being called by other people's large language models, whether they subscribe to your product or not. How does copyright work for the different elements in different divisions? And yes, basically, how do you defend your content being called by others? And then the second question was on business services. It was beginning to slow down, business services, I guess, because of tighter credit conditions. Apparently, it sort of sped up a little bit recently. What do you think the outlook is for business services within Risk. Are you going to see this sort of small increase in June as a sort of one-off? And is it going to go back down? Yes, just interested [Technical Difficulty] outlook there? And then finally, on free cash flow, you've seen basically a working capital outflow in the first half. What is your outlook for working capital and free cash flow for the full year?

Erik Engstrom

Analyst · Credit Suisse

I'll answer the first 2 questions, and I'll let Nick handle the third here. Yes. So on AI and you -- specifically, for instance, general language -- generative AI and large language model tools. The way our contracts work with any customer that subscribes to accessing and using our content is that it's for specific purposes. And those purposes do not generally include any large language model training or any type of generative AI extraction. And that's very clear and that's been now discussed both in our industry and in other industries and more generally, we the LLM providers. So -- and that's why the industry has gone towards our strategy, which is that there are many large language model providers. We are working with several of them, a large number, and we're building our tools to be, over time, model-agnostic, meaning that we can use different types of LLM. We also -- when we train them or we have done all different versions of this, we have used some in our pilot products where you just see what they can do as is, which clearly does not work very well for specific business and professional purposes. Then we do some sort of prompt engineering and what we look at as fine-tuning. When we then roll it off, we license in the actual software tool and then apply it and only train it on our content that exists. That is proprietary or copyrighted or created by ourselves and firewalled and then we use those tools to train the model and then to only serve content sets and results that are based on those tools. And that's why we believe that the LLMs are going to license into us, we will apply them to our tools. It's just an additional technological or technical capability, a tool that we can use to refine and advance and improve our analytics and decision tools that already exist. So that's the way the copyright and intellectual property rules work around, our content sets for large language model providers. Business services, yes, it started to slow. The growth rate started to slow a little bit actually last year, and that started to -- in the second half of last year, in particular, and then during the first half, and we have seen it pick up a little bit on a like-for-like growth rate basis as well as on an absolute basis over the last couple of months. And how do I see this going forward? The key point there is actually that we are seeing a little sequential strengthening now, and we're also, on a growth rate basis, starting to lap the period that was a little slower in growth. I mean we're not talking about big shifts here, but that's how I see it going forward. That's why I believe that the more recent trends are likely to continue.

Nicholas Luff

Analyst · Credit Suisse

And Matthew, your question on free cash flow and working capital. As you know, we have a very attractive large negative working capital position. It's pretty stable. It doesn't tend to move much. Sometimes in a full year, we got a small inflow, sometimes a small outflow, but it just depends on what exactly happens towards the year-end. But overall, I'm not expecting anything different. Our typical mid-90s cash conversion, as you saw, that's what we did in the first half and no reason at this point to think we'll do anything different for the full year.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your next question comes from Konrad Zomer from ODDO BHF.

Konrad Zomer

Analyst · ODDO BHF

The first one is to try again on the working capital on the back of the previous question. Can you explain to us why there was a working capital outflow in the first half? I fully understand that on a full year basis there's no material shift. But just struggling to understand why your working capital outflow would be negative in the first half? And my second question is, previously, you indicated that growth in the articles -- sorry, open access article was more than 20% year-on-year. You still talk about strong growth. Would you confirm that growth in that particular part of primary research is still above 20%?

Erik Engstrom

Analyst · ODDO BHF

I'll take the second one, and then I'll let Nick cover the first here. So I'll take the second. I'll get Nick to cover the first one because the second is very simple. Yes, I can confirm that article submissions growth is back to strong growth overall. And when we say particularly strong growth, in sort of pay-to-publish open access. Yes, I can confirm that the growth rate in article submissions in open access is still over 20%, yes.

Nicholas Luff

Analyst · ODDO BHF

Konrad, it's not unusual for us to have a working capital outflow in the first half. We have quite a few of our subscriptions on a full year cycle with billing in advance. So we often kept the cash before the start of the relevant year and then just the deferred revenue unwinds in the first half a little bit. But it's a small number on some -- the overall gross working capital balances are into the billions. So you just do get small net flows one way or the other. We obviously very carefully manage everything and manage the cash conversion. And as I said, that 95% cash conversion in the first half, that's in line with historical trends. We've had a couple of years, slightly oddly with the dynamics around exhibitions, which put us over [ 100% ] in the first half. But the 95% you see there for the first half this time is entirely in line with historical trends. And for the full year, no reason to expect anything different.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Henk Slotboom from The Idea.

Henk Slotboom

Analyst · The Idea

A very simple question. With more and more companies having to report on CO2 footprint and that sort of things, the Exhibitions business, it involves a lot of travel for people. Could that be a constraining factor going forward in time? And if so, how do you deal with that?

Nicholas Luff

Analyst · The Idea

Yes. The -- obviously, exhibitions are a way actually of helping people to reduce their carbon footprint because by bringing people together in one place where you can meet many customers and industry contacts, it saves a lot of travel. So I think exhibitions have a role to play in helping people need to travel less.

Erik Engstrom

Analyst · The Idea

Well, thank you very much for taking the time to join us on the call today, and I look forward to talking to you again soon.