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Reinsurance Group of America, Incorporated (RGA)

Q4 2025 Earnings Call· Fri, Feb 6, 2026

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to the Reinsurance Group of America Fourth Quarter 2025 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Please note, this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Jeff Hopson, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Jeff Hopson

Analyst

Thank you. Welcome to RGA's Fourth Quarter 2025 Conference Call. I'm joined on the call this morning by Tony Cheng, RGA's President and CEO; Axel Andre, Chief Financial Officer; Leslie Barbi, Chief Investment Officer; and Jonathan Porter, Chief Risk Officer. A quick reminder before we get started regarding forward-looking information and non-GAAP financial measures. Some of our comments or answers may contain forward-looking statements. Actual results could differ materially from expected results. Please refer to the earnings release we issued yesterday for a list of important factors that could cause actual results to differ from expected results. Additionally, during the course of this call, the information we provide may include non-GAAP financial measures. Please see our earnings release, earnings presentation and quarterly financial supplement, all of which are posted on our website for a discussion of these terms and reconciliations to GAAP measures. Throughout the call, we will be referencing slides from the earnings presentation, which again is posted on our website. And now I'll turn the call over to Tony for his comments.

Tony Cheng

Analyst · Dowling & Partners

Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining our call. Last night, we reported Q4 operating EPS of $7.75 per share, which is our second consecutive record quarter in terms of earnings. Our adjusted operating return on equity for the trailing 12 months, excluding notable items, was 15.7%, which exceeded our intermediate-term target range of 13% to 15%. The quarter capped off another year of excellent financial results with strength across our businesses and geographies. These results underscore the value and diversity of our global platform and the exceptional work of our local teams. Looking back at the full year 2025 results, we delivered record operating EPS, generated a 15.7% ROE and increased the value of in-force business margins by 18%. From a capital perspective, we deployed $2.5 billion of capital into in-force transactions at attractive risk-adjusted returns, reinstated share buybacks and maintained a strong balance sheet with $2.7 billion of excess capital. These are clear indicators that we are successfully delivering on our strategy and are on track to continue meeting or exceeding our intermediate-term financial targets. Now let me highlight a few specifics from the fourth quarter. Beginning by region, the U.S. was particularly favorable, driven by management actions and variable investment income, with individual life mortality in line with expectations. EMEA results reflected strong volume growth and favorable experience. And APAC continues to see growth momentum along with in-force actions. In the quarter, we benefited from the continued contributions of our balance sheet optimization strategy. We saw the positive effects of various management actions in terms of current earnings and ROE, an increase in future value and an improvement in our liability risk profile. These actions are a regular part of our daily operations, though the timing and size can be difficult to predict. Additionally, we continue…

Axel Philippe Andre

Analyst · Wells Fargo

Thanks, Tony. RGA reported record pretax adjusted operating income of $515 million for the quarter or $7.75 per share after tax. For the trailing 12 months, adjusted operating return on equity, excluding notable items, was 15.7%. During the quarter, we achieved strong results across our global businesses. This was generally driven by the continued emergence of earnings from recent new business, including the Equitable block, favorable in-force management actions and strong investment performance. As Tony mentioned earlier, we continue to execute on our strategic initiatives, which positions us well for 2026 and beyond. I'll speak a bit more about 2026 expectations shortly. We deployed $98 million into in-force transactions in the quarter and $2.5 billion for the full year. We remained selective in the quarter, but overall had a very successful year across multiple geographies and products. On the traditional side, our premium growth was 7.4% year-to-date on a constant currency basis, which has benefited from strong growth across North America, EMEA and APAC. Premiums are a good indicator of the ongoing vitality of our traditional business, and we continue to have strong momentum across our regions. We also completed $50 million of share repurchases in the quarter at an average price of $187.40, bringing total repurchases to $125 million since we reinstated buybacks in the third quarter. Our capital position remains strong, and we ended the quarter with estimated excess capital of $2.7 billion and estimated next 12 months deployable capital of $3.4 billion. The effective tax rate for the quarter was 23.8% on adjusted operating income before taxes and 22.8% for the full year 2025. Looking ahead to 2026, we expect a tax rate in the range of 22% to 23%. We continued our balance sheet optimization strategy in the quarter with additional in-force management actions. For Q4,…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question today is from Wes Carmichael with Wells Fargo.

Wesley Carmichael

Analyst · Wells Fargo

I wanted to start on capital allocation. So you had a strong deployment year in 2025 with Equitable and another $1 billion on top of that, bought back some stock. I guess my question is, a couple of quarters ago, you spoke to a 20% to 30% payout ratio in terms of buybacks and dividends. As you look at the opportunities in front of you and excess capital you have and will generate, is that 20% to 30% payout ratio still the right level? And what might change your view there?

Axel Philippe Andre

Analyst · Wells Fargo

Yes. Thanks for the question, Wes. Look, as we stated earlier, we reinstated share buybacks in the second half of 2025, and we repurchased $125 million of stock in 2025. We're taking a balanced approach to capital deployment. Maintaining financial flexibility is very important to us. We continue to see attractive opportunities to deploy capital into new business at strong risk-adjusted returns, which also aligns with our strategy and leverages our unique strengths but we also recognize the importance of returning capital to shareholders. We're targeting 20% to 30% total payout ratio going forward, but we also have the flexibility to be opportunistic as the year goes on.

Wesley Carmichael

Analyst · Wells Fargo

Okay. And my follow-up is if you continue to grow the asset-intensive business, and I think you may have had this question before, but curious if anything has changed in your mind. But would you be open to additional partnerships with asset managers or alternative asset managers? And I know you do a lot of this yourself in-house, but just wondering if you gain access to any additional capabilities or perhaps even some outside capital.

Leslie Barbi

Analyst · Wells Fargo

Wes, it's Leslie Barbi. Thanks for that question. You might be interested to know that we have been using external partners for decades, and we definitely continue to plan to do that. Really, when we look out in the market. We're constantly talking to potential partners. We want to make sure we don't miss any additive capabilities or expertise, anything that can add value for RGA and our shareholders. I think this flexible approach and our ability to partner is a real strength because what we're trying to do is really get the right capabilities and the right expertise into the total opportunity set. So to reinforce that, we're absolutely already using external partners, and we're very open to continuing to do that if it adds value for RGA.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Joel Hurwitz with Dowling & Partners.

Joel Hurwitz

Analyst · Dowling & Partners

I wanted to touch on Group Health first. Can you just let us know what rate actions you took in '26? And then Tony, I think you said you'll be exiting the business, I guess, after '26. What drove that decision? And any color on the overall size of the business that you're exiting and sort of what run rate earnings were expected to be?

Axel Philippe Andre

Analyst · Dowling & Partners

Yes. Joel, this is Axel. We've taken significant actions to fully address the U.S. health care excess book. We raised rates by 40% on average, beginning mid-2025 through January 2026, which gives us confidence that 2026 would improve over 2025 results. As mentioned in the prepared remarks, following a strategic review, we have decided to stop writing new business effective immediately and also to not renew existing business at the end of the current 1-year term across our group health care lines of business. So for some context, the U.S. health care business has approximately $400 million of annual premium and generates approximately $25 million of pretax run rate earnings in a typical year. So this decision will have limited impact in 2026, will primarily emerge in 2027 results. We remain focused on best positioning RGA for the future by ensuring that we're deploying capital in businesses that are strategically aligned, and we also believe that the rate actions taken will result in significant improvement to the U.S. Healthcare results as the business winds down.

Joel Hurwitz

Analyst · Dowling & Partners

Got it. Very helpful. There continues to be activity in the market and optimism from primary writers on further derisking of legacy blocks like long-term care and universal life with secondary guarantees. I know you've done a little in this space, but just wanted to get an update on your appetite for these types of businesses.

Tony Cheng

Analyst · Dowling & Partners

Yes. Let me take that one. Thank you very much for the question. Look, we remain very selective and disciplined on ULSG and LTC long-term care risk. As you know, we have significant biometric risk capabilities, but we also keenly recognize the need for higher hurdle rates on these lines of businesses, especially within our public company balance sheet. Now it's important to note that all of our ULSG and LTC businesses have been priced with updated assumptions and has performed well over time. And then the final point is that our ULSG and LTC liabilities are less than 10% of our balance sheet today, and we expect it to remain this way going forward.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Jimmy Bhullar with JPMorgan.

Jamminder Bhullar

Analyst · JPMorgan

I had a couple of questions. One was on the Equitable block. You're reinsuring 3/4 of the block, but your results -- there's not a long history, but the results this quarter were not correlated between the two companies because they basically had weaker mortality than normal, you guys had better. So I'm just wondering if you could just give us some color on what parts of the book you're not covering either by vintage or by type of product or any other factor?

Axel Philippe Andre

Analyst · JPMorgan

Yes. Thanks for the question, Jimmy. This is Axel. Maybe let me start with the high level. The Equitable transaction, first of all, generated earnings consistent with our $60 million to $70 million guidance for the second half of 2025. We also continue to expect $160 million to $170 million of earnings from the transaction in 2026. Now there are four key drivers of economic upside for RGA relative to the original performance of this block. Number one, we repriced the business, which allowed us to reflect updated mortality and policyholder behavior experience. This means our reserving assumptions differ from Equitable's, and therefore, will produce different actual to expected mortality experience on the same block. Number two, we benefit from uplift from higher asset yields. We're repositioning the transferred assets into a higher-yielding environment and in a manner that is consistent with our overall portfolio asset allocation targets and ratings. Number three, we operate with lower expenses as we've absorbed the business into our existing infrastructure and did not bring over their expenses. Lastly, number four, we were able to benefit from capital efficiency given our legal entity structure. So also, please keep in mind that there are meaningful ongoing benefits to our strategic relationship with Equitable, including underwriting new flow reinsurance business and participation from AllianceBernstein in our sidecar strategy. Altogether, we remain confident that the Equitable transaction will generate strong risk-adjusted return for RGA. And then lastly, you're correct that our share of this business does not represent a 75% quota share of the entirety of Equitable's life business, but it is only a portion of that business.

Jamminder Bhullar

Analyst · JPMorgan

And are you able to share what it is that you don't cover, whether it's older rate business, IUL, like anything in that regard?

Axel Philippe Andre

Analyst · JPMorgan

So I'm not going to get into the specifics, but suffice it to say that, of course, we monitor very closely the claims reporting from Equitable and that the performance has been in line with our expectations. We would also note that Equitable on their call cited less reinsurance coverage on these particular claims that impacted them.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Suneet Kamath with Jefferies.

Suneet Kamath

Analyst · Jefferies

First question just on the capital deployment. If I look back to 2023, it looks like you've deployed about $5 billion of capital. And I guess the question is, if we think about the earnings power of that deployment, how much of that would you think is that sort of full earnings power? Like I know Equitable is not there yet, so that's $1.5 billion out of the $5 billion. But of the $3.5 billion left, are you getting your full expected returns at this point? Or is there still more in front of us?

Axel Philippe Andre

Analyst · Jefferies

Yes. Great. Thanks for the question. Well, it is an important question. Look, at a high level, we still view our 8% to 10% EPS growth target as a good intermediate-term target. As we've said before, we can achieve this with approximately $1.5 billion of capital deployed into in-force transactions, together with the ongoing growth of our traditional flow business and with a level of share repurchases consistent with our stated target total 20% to 30% payout ratio. So when thinking of recent capital deployment, in particular, the Equitable transaction, keep in mind that it occurred in the middle of 2025. So it did contribute to 2025 earnings with some further ramp-up expected in 2026. The 8% to 10% is an intermediate-term target. Higher levels of capital deployment may allow us to come in at the higher end of the range; however, over the intermediate term, we're comfortable with the 8% to 10%, which we have met and exceeded at times in recent years.

Suneet Kamath

Analyst · Jefferies

But should we think about the non-equitable business as sort of fully earning at this point? Or is there still more on that piece? I'm talking about the $3.5 billion of related deployment.

Axel Philippe Andre

Analyst · Jefferies

So like we've discussed before, on any capital deployment, there's a period of repositioning of the asset portfolio and as a result, a ramp-up in earnings. And our results reflect the blend of capital deployment and the trajectory of that earnings ramp-up. All of that is being factored into our intermediate-term EPS growth target.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Tom Gallagher with Evercore ISI.

Thomas Gallagher

Analyst · Evercore ISI

Just shifting gears to -- away from mortality to morbidity. The -- can you comment on both the Manulife long-term care risk transfer deal and your broader exposure to long-term care? How has that been performing if you just look at it on a 2025 basis? Is that in line? Is that in line with your ROE? Has that been a lot higher? Any clarity there?

Jonathan Porter

Analyst · Evercore ISI

Yes. Tom, this is Jonathan. We don't talk about experience at a block-by-block level. But what I can say is that we're very happy with our LTC business, and it has performed well over time. And as you know, we have focused on a subset of available LTC business that's available in the market that aligns with our risk appetite and return expectations. And we continue to manage our overall exposure to the product relative to the size of our balance sheet. So we expect this to continue to be our approach going forward.

Thomas Gallagher

Analyst · Evercore ISI

And Jonathan, would you say the performance of that -- any broad range ROE that that's been trending at?

Jonathan Porter

Analyst · Evercore ISI

No, Tom, we don't break down the performance at that level to discuss externally. But again, just to reiterate, we're very happy with the performance of that LTC business over time.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from John Barnidge with Piper Sandler.

John Barnidge

Analyst · Piper Sandler

My first question, can you talk about your exposure in the investment portfolio to software-related companies and how you're thinking about disruption from AI within the portfolio?

Leslie Barbi

Analyst · Piper Sandler

Thanks, John. This is Leslie. So in terms of your first question on the software, we look closely at that exposure. I'll note that software lending is typically done against enterprise value or revenue. It's become more popular in the market, but we've not been a big participant in that. So when we drill down on our exposure within direct lending, it's very modest, less than 30 basis points of our total investment portfolio. So we're very comfortable with where we're positioned. In terms of AI, that's something among many other factors that we continue to look at across the portfolio, so analyst by analyst, and we discuss it in our portfolio management meetings. And like our approach to anything that's changing in the market, we look at trends that are coming, assess where they could impact. We make decisions where we need to and take actions at those times. And as we get more information because this will definitely be evolving. So we'll continue to do that and actively managing the portfolio.

John Barnidge

Analyst · Piper Sandler

And sticking with the portfolio, if I can. Leslie, you talked about using external partners for decades that have specialized capabilities. We saw a transaction earlier this year in January with cross ownership between alternative asset managers, which resembled the transaction from a number of years prior in some ways. And so curious about maybe the evolution in the relationships that you've already had for decades with kind of the new environment.

Leslie Barbi

Analyst · Piper Sandler

Okay. Thanks for that question. I'm not sure I was completely clear on what you were referring to, but let me just comment generally about our partnerships or use of external managers. So we certainly -- we look at what capabilities we want on the platform and then -- who is best suited to do that. So often, it's our strong internal teams. Other times, we want to use an outside partner that has different or more scaled expertise than we have. We've also engaged in partnerships where when we have a lot of alignment, it's win-win. We can see that our alignment, our culture, our needs are all going to align for a long time. We will engage in partnerships. And so we've done that a number of times in the past. There's a few smaller ones we've announced. There's aspects of larger ones you may have gleaned from some of our other transactions. But it's really engaging in this more wholesome approach and making sure all the value is considered.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Alex Scott with Barclays.

Taylor Scott

Analyst · Barclays

First one is on, I guess, regulatory regime in Europe. And my understanding is Solvency II is going to have some changes that are beneficial to invest in things like alternatives and some of the privates that are out there, et cetera. Are you seeing any increased competition in pricing related to that? Do you anticipate that, that will happen at all? I'm just trying to understand how to think about those changes.

Axel Philippe Andre

Analyst · Barclays

Yes. Look, let me start here and if Tony wants to add something. So we have multiple legal entities. We're a global company. We have presence in Europe, in APAC, in America, in Bermuda with multiple jurisdictions and regulatory regimes that we operate in. So we're obviously well aware of the benefits of the various regimes and the ability to pool risks and achieve efficiencies. And we're engaged with our regulators in terms of monitoring the evolution of the regulatory regimes. We've been active in EMEA for a long time with our longevity business, with our asset-intensive business and our traditional business.

Tony Cheng

Analyst · Barclays

Yes. And Alex, let me add to it. And Axel absolutely alluded to it at the end. In EMEA, the large majority of our profits in our business is longevity swaps, which have no asset risk and really rely on, gosh, I guess, 52 years of phenomenal experience in mortality and longevity. So really, the change you're sharing has less of an impact, obviously, to that business. What I would add is we obviously are very focused on blocks of business that have both asset and biometric risk in it. It leverages off one of our strongest strengths, which is able -- ability to reinsure both sides of the balance sheet. So even for the plain vanilla types of blocks, it really is not in our sweet spot. And there's a lot of opportunities around the world we can pursue that have both the asset and biometric risk, which is where we focus.

Taylor Scott

Analyst · Barclays

Yes. Understood. Yes, I was thinking more along the lines of your biggest competitors being the multiline reinsurers. I think they generally manage the Solvency II. So even outside of EMEA, one could theoretically think that those companies may be able to get more aggressive on pricing. But it sounds like you're not seeing that at all right now, at least, right?

Tony Cheng

Analyst · Barclays

Yes. Look, I confirm we -- that has not bubbled up to the surface of being even a threat or risk going forward.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Mike Ward with UBS.

Michael Ward

Analyst · UBS

Kind of a good segue there. Just wondering, Tony, if you could elaborate on any specific regions or product lines that you think might be looking incrementally attractive this year so far?

Tony Cheng

Analyst · UBS

Yes. Thanks, Mike. Maybe I'll just go around the regions around the horn and talk a bit about our pipeline and answer your question there. Look, I'd say our pipeline is both rich and diverse. And as you know, we always focus on the quality of the pipeline as much as the quantity of business opportunities. So firstly, in Asia, we continue to see a strong pipeline, both in the product development area as we continue to serve the emerging middle class as well as the financial solutions as clients adjust to the new capital frameworks in markets like Japan and Korea. I've already mentioned the U.K. longevity market that continues to be strong as a market, and we continue to be the market leader, and that momentum continues into 2026. And then in the U.S., we continue to benefit, obviously, from the industry realignment as we saw with the Equitable deal. But let me -- it's really important to note that there are many more modest sized wins due to our biometric and underwriting strength that collectively are very meaningful in terms of returns and positioning us strategically in the future. So all in all, the pipeline is rich and diverse. It's across the board. And as a result, that's one of the reasons why we're so optimistic about delivering attractive returns from the business.

Michael Ward

Analyst · UBS

Great. And then just in the U.S. on traditional kind of mortality, pretty solid result, I think, considering the severe flu season. Just wondering if you have any insight if it's ticked up in January at all? Just wondering if you have any view there.

Jonathan Porter

Analyst · UBS

Yes. Mike, this is Jonathan. It's still too early to predict the final outcome of the current flu season, but the latest declining trends in population level flu activity in the U.S., Canada and the U.K. are encouraging. So influenza hospitalizations look to a peak at year-end, and that peak was at the higher end of a normal flu season range. But since that time, those hospitalization rates are down substantially. This year, the Northern Hemisphere flu season is driven by influenza A, and there's no evidence at this point of increased virulence compared to other seasonal strains. And when we look at our Q4 results, we didn't see any material evidence of seasonality in that experience. And as we noted in the prepared remarks, our mortality experience was in line overall.

Operator

Operator

The next question is a follow-up from Tom Gallagher with Evercore ISI.

Thomas Gallagher

Analyst · Evercore ISI

Axel, I just wanted to make sure I understand all the components of earnings. I followed everything you said in terms of the 8% to 10% intermediate-term EPS growth expectation. And it sounded to me because of the $1.5 billion of capital you expect to deploy into in-force deals in 2026 that you, all things equal, should be running at that 8% to 10% intermediate-term growth rate in 2026 would be my best guess. But I guess, based on how you're thinking about things for '26, are there any other adjustments you would make to that? The two that I could think of would be your alt return assumption is a little better, so that could provide upside. And then to the extent that you do any more in-force transactions, I don't think you've included those, but any further color you could give?

Axel Philippe Andre

Analyst · Evercore ISI

Yes. Tom, thanks for the question. So I would point you to Slide 9 in the deck, where we show our key assumptions, right, for 2026. Number one, we, of course, are assuming much improved U.S. group experience, which was the largest contributor to the unfavorable biometric experience in 2025. Number two, we are assuming a smaller contribution from in-force management actions since it has had outsized positive impact in recent years. And lastly, we are also assuming a variable investment income return of 7% for 2026. So the key takeaway is that we view $24.75 as a reasonable starting point for 2025 run rate EPS. And we are reiterating our intermediate-term 8% to 10% EPS growth target, which, as you said, assumes approximately $1.5 billion of annual capital deployed into in-force transactions. That applies to the intermediate term. We don't comment specifically on the year-by-year forecast.

Thomas Gallagher

Analyst · Evercore ISI

And Axel, sorry, just to follow up. The baseline, the $24.75, does that have any of the in-force management rate actions in it?

Axel Philippe Andre

Analyst · Evercore ISI

Yes. Look, I appreciate the question. So like I said, right, it's important to remember, we manage the in-force business, and it's a core part of our strategy. It will continue to be. We take a partnership and holistic approach to these situations, balancing the client relationship with our long-term business. We feel this approach is a means of differentiation, leading to other business opportunities. We've had very good success over the past 3 years. I'll remind you, we've generated approximately $425 million of cumulative pretax income and significant long-term future value. Like we said, in-force actions are unpredictable in terms of size and timing. Looking towards 2026, we feel there's less opportunity compared to recent periods. And thus, we expect a more limited impact on earnings going forward. So like I said, as a reminder, the $24.75 of 2025 run rate earnings implied from Slide 9 removed all in-force actions from 2025 results. Therefore, actual in-force actions in 2026 could provide upside to these targets.

Operator

Operator

The next question is a follow-up from Alex Scott with Barclays.

Taylor Scott

Analyst · Barclays

I wanted to ask on Japan, just around the macro volatility associated with interest rates and FX. Does that have any impact on your business? And I guess, connected to that, does it create new opportunities or reduce the opportunity set? How should I think about how it affects in-force and go-forward deployment there?

Tony Cheng

Analyst · Barclays

Yes. Thanks, Alex, for the question. It's Tony here. Look, as you shared, look, Japan has strong tailwinds from the recent regulatory changes and like you mentioned, the macroeconomic changes and clients are taking actions to address balance sheets which results in considerable opportunities for risk transfer in RGA. And we are incredibly well positioned with our strong local presence, obviously, our trusted client relationships and our world-class expertise on both sides of the balance sheet. And this is why it's one of our key markets. Now the impacts you've referred to, look, when we look at the competition that's entered the Japanese market, many of which are alternative asset managers, they've had some success in the more vanilla asset-intensive business. But let me reiterate, our focus is on the sweet spot, which are transactions, which have both asset and biometric risks and leveraging off that key strength. So we remain very optimistic about our position in Japan and the ongoing momentum in the market overall and RGA winning a very good share of that.

Jonathan Porter

Analyst · Barclays

Yes. And Alex, this is Jonathan. Maybe just on the in-force part of your question. So just as an overarching comment, higher interest rates are good for us from an overall earnings perspective, given our positive reinvestment cash flows and illiquid liability profile. With regards to the Japanese asset-intensive business, our exposure to disintermediation risk from higher rates is modest, and we wouldn't expect to be -- have a significant impact at the current rate levels. And then specifically, on blocks -- on our older blocks of in-force business, we have high minimum guaranteed interest rates and they're protection-oriented, making them less likely to have higher lapses. And on our newer vintage products, we have protections from surrender charges and market value adjustments.

Operator

Operator

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Tony Cheng for any closing remarks.

Tony Cheng

Analyst · Dowling & Partners

Thank you for your continued interest in RGA. We've had a great quarter to cap off a great year, and we look forward to continuing to deliver in the future. This ends our Q4 conference call. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's call. You may now disconnect.