Ken Mills
Analyst · Berenberg Capital Markets.
Yes. Caroline, when we're talking about subretinal, first of all, these are all patients that we didn't even screen on the basis of preexisting immunity. So I'm not even sure that we know that these patients, several of them are out 3, 4 years with durability, and they could be NAV positive [indiscernible]. I don't even know that I've seen that data per se. And so that's a very positive statement to make about the commercial opportunity, by the way, for subretinal that has no impact. We later showed that it seems that suprachoroidal also is not impacted by preexisting immunity. So this is all a very different space than intravenous delivery. I think with respect to thresholds and sort of interest that the agency has, I think that it's multilayered. I think for approval, it's kind of -- durability is something that I think is kind of on a shorter interval. I would say a year, which is basically the measures of our primary endpoints in our pivotal trials as well as how we're studying things even at early phases is you accrue enough patients with respect to a year. And both on a primary and a safety basis, I think you're setting yourself up for approval with respect to the agencies. I think the question really comes to bear on the payers and the providers and the adoption of the treatment overall. So -- and this is -- we're highlighting today, I think, how much further along, how much deeper, how much broader our program is. And we'll continue to be in wet AMD and in diabetic populations with respect to 314 across additional devices and how important that information is for global development and ultimately, global commercialization. So while the FDA, a group like the FDA, I'm sure they're going to be happy when a package comes in with 3-, 4-year data, and it will give them more confidence, I'm not sure it's going to be something that's sort of -- it's heavily weighted. But I think when we're in the payer environment and we're in the -- with this globalization when we're in the health technology assessment environment, these things are going to become, I think, incredibly important and I think the differentiation for where we are with 314, our view is really meaningful and one of confidence.