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B. Riley Financial, Inc. - 6.50 (RILYN)

Q2 2022 Earnings Call· Thu, Jul 28, 2022

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Operator

Operator

Good afternoon, and welcome to B. Riley Financial's Second Quarter 2022 Earnings Call. B. Riley today issued a press release and presentation detailing its financial results for the second quarter of 2022. Copies are available in the Investors section of the company's website at ir.brileyfin.com. As a reminder, this call is being recorded. An audio replay will be available on the company's Investor Relations website later today. Joining us today from B. Riley are Bryant Riley, Chairman, Co-Founder and Co-CEO; Tom Kelleher, Co-Founder and Co-CEO; and Phillip Ahn, CFO and COO. After management's remarks, we will open the line for questions. And before we conclude today's call, I will provide the necessary cautions regarding forward-looking statements. I will now turn the call over to Mr. Bryant Riley. Mr. Riley, please proceed.

Bryant Riley

Management

Welcome everyone and thank you for joining our call. Our [Technical Difficulty] are mostly unrealized and correlate to market contraction. Over the last year, we augmented our investments by increasing credit with our basting has become a larger and more integral part of our business to create value for our partners and shareholders and a strategy that we believe truly differentiates the B. Riley platform from our peers. Oftentimes the companies we invest in are companies that we provide services to be it investment banking, financial consulting or real estate advisory services. At the same time, we have made concerted efforts over the last five years to expand sources of steady and recurring income to balance the more cyclical episodic business, which are currently slow. To put this in perspective, over the last 10 quarters, we have earned approximately $17 per share for our shareholders, including the first two quarters of 2022. We believe that we are delivering on our objective of increasing our recurring EBITDA. The relative contribution from our less cyclical and less episodic businesses have meaningfully grown with the entire Riley platform generating $366 million of operating EBITDA over the trailing 12 months compared to $114 million of operating EBITDA in 2019. With increasing contributions from less cyclical and less episodic businesses exceeding the capital needed to support our dividend, we continue to have flexibility to invest across our businesses. To that end, we are pleased to deliver our shareholders $1 dividend for the quarter. Looking ahead, we are encouraged by the opportunity to increase that dividend to capital markets return and become more normalized and they will normalize. We have seen cycles like this many times over the course of B. Riley's 25 year history and each time we have come out on the other side strongly than before. Recognizing we are in a highly variable and volatile business, we will maintain focus on diligent expense control while utilizing our cash flows to continue to invest and enhance our businesses. Disruptive markets have historically presented some of our most attractive opportunities to differentiate ourselves with clients, attract top talent and to generate sustainable share gains across key business lines and we believe that current environment is no exception. In short, we are extremely encouraged by where we are today. Being able to generate the operating results that we did during another quarter without capital markets is extremely gratifying for us. And since quarter end, we have recovered some of the investment losses that we reported as the market has come back a bit. With over $200 million of cash and equivalents on the balance sheet, a significant receivables book converting into cash and debt maturities years away, we believe we have the flexibility to be able to capitalize in the many opportunities we see ahead. Now I'll turn the call over to Phillip Ahn, our CFO and COO, who will discuss our individual operating units before opening the line for questions. Over to you, Phil.

Phillip Ahn

Management

Thanks, Bryant. On a consolidated basis, total revenues were $42.7 million for the second quarter and 240 [Technical Difficulty] portfolio, year-to-date investment loss of 292, but decline in our investment book, our operating business has generated strong performance in the second quarter. Excluding investments, operating revenues were – the loss in this segment primarily related to the settlement of legacy regulatory matters for National Holdings that predated our acquisition in 2021, in addition to the overall decline in markets and its impact on client activity. Auction and Liquidation revenues were $3.9 million with segment income of $0.5 million for the second quarter. As we have stated on previous calls, results from this segment are variable due to the episodic impact of large retail liquidation engagements. Financial consulting revenues were $24.3 million with segment income of $4.3 million, driven primarily by bankruptcy restructurings, forensic litigation consulting matters, in addition to appraisal engagements and real estate dispositions completed during the second quarter. Principal investments, our Communications and Other segment revenues increased to $42.5 million for the second quarter, up from $19.6 million in the prior year period, primarily due to the addition of the Lingo Communications and Marconi Wireless businesses and segment income was $7.6 million for the quarter. Our companies in our communications segment, magicJack, United Online, Marconi Wireless and Lingo continue to provide steady cash flows to our platform. Revenues in our Brand segment increased to $5.2 million for the second quarter, up from $4.4 million in the prior year period. Segment income increased to $3.8 million, up from $3 million in the prior year period. Results in this segment relate to the licensing of trademarks for our six brands portfolio. As well our investments in Hurley and Justice Brands, which are recognized as Capital Markets segment, contributed income of…

Tom Kelleher

Management

Thanks, Phil. We're not immune to the market deceleration. We continue to be pleased with the overall performance of our operating businesses. As Bryant mentioned, we remain confident in the firm's ability not only withstand periods of market austerity, but define opportunities for growth. With core capabilities and restructuring, asset disposition and distressed financing, we are confident in our ability to support our clients amid disruptive markets. And despite the current environment, our teams have made meaningful progress in both expanding existing portions of our business as well as consolidating recent acquisitions. With the addition of FocalPoint, National Holdings, 272 Capital and Lingo, as well as our recent investment to expand fixed income, 2022 has become a transformative year for B. Riley Financial. With substantive integration activities behind us, we have started to realize synergies in these businesses and are looking ahead to other opportunities to accelerate growth. Now I will walk through some of our highlights of our various divisions. With B. Riley Securities having gained meaningful share in capital markets over the last few years, we sought opportunities to broaden our capabilities in M&A advisory and fixed income. Earlier this year, we acquired Los Angeles based investment bank, FocalPoint Partners. FocalPoint command of sponsor backed mid-market M&A provides our platform with additional scale, sector expertise and execution capabilities to support expanding our leadership position in small and mid-market investment banking. Since completing the acquisition in January, we have consolidated FINRA licenses, which enables us to jointly market or combined services as a unified broker dealer while realizing cost synergies. Operating together allows us to leverage the relationships and execution resources of the combined groups to bring to bear the full breadth of capabilities to our clients. During the quarter, we closed multiple seven-figure advisory mandates, including Apex Innovative…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] There are no questions on queue.

Tom Kelleher

Management

Great.

Bryant Riley

Management

Sorry. Thanks operator real quick. Thank you. I just wanted to mention and thank again as Tom did all of our new employees that are listening the call not getting questions is usually a pretty good sign. People don't care about us. And if histories are guide after that we get some momentum. Last time we lost money was Q1 2020 in the beginning of the pandemic. And since that time, I think, we paid $14 in dividends and made a lot of money. So I think a question did come in. So operator, if you want to open it up that that's fine.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our first question comes from Sean Haydon with Charles Lane Capital. Please go ahead.

Sean Haydon

Analyst

Hey guys. Sorry. Got in here late. But congrats in the quarter. Had a question about just capital allocation here. It's great seeing the dividend as usual. But maybe you can just provide some numbers around this. Going forward, do you have any sort of a preference for be it buybacks or kind of more M&A given the press valuations in addition to the dividend?

Tom Kelleher

Management

Hey, Sean, look, that's, obviously we live in this world of investments and we think about that all the time. I think that as we look at all the things that did happen this quarter, I mean, underwriting business was $9 million in the quarter versus $385 million last year. And to think that and to see that we still are profitable about our broker dealer, we haven't closed – we closed Lingo in the middle of the quarter, we have not closed Bullseye, which we think once it kind of gets going, we'll add with synergies $15 million to $20 million of EBITDA. We just got National and B. Riley together, so that we think we'll run a little bit more efficiently. FocalPoint, which was very profitable last year, but is building up their backlog. So, while we're proud of the operating EBITDA that we had for this quarter, there is a lot of things that can meaningfully enhance that. And so I don't know that we're going to have to pick one thing. We feel really good about our cash flow to pair dividends. We have no net debt for a business that generates this kind of operating EBITDA. You could obviously leverage your balance sheet to buy stock. And we feel good about making acquisitions. So I don't feel like we're hampered in any way. I feel like we will be able to have a lot of opportunities. If you look at the accounts receivable book, for example, just to put some – this might have been lucky or good; we took a chunk of money out of equities and bought a $400 million receivable book that's returning roughly $30 million, $35 million a month. It's declining as the book gets slower, but what a good place to hide some money while the markets were down and collect. I think our most recent estimate is kind of a 30% IRR. So that money comes back to us. So I don't think that we're sitting here going, boy, we just let – let's just pay a dividend and not think about a buyback. I think all of those things are on the table.

Sean Haydon

Analyst

No. That's great to hear. And then on focal point without quantifying it, just what does the restructuring business look like there? Is it half the business or because that that could pick up substantially in the coming months? So just...

Tom Kelleher

Management

Yes. So let's not quite half, it's less than half. Let's maybe 20%, 25% but don't forget that the old GlassRatner business is a big part of their business is restructuring. And then we have our own restructuring business that Perry Mandarino has been running for a few years and we're seeing activity pick-up there. The fixed income group benefits from a little bit of distress. We think we're going to see some opportunities there. So I don't think – I think underwriting means a lot more to us from a size perspective than the opportunities and restructuring, but that's not to say that we're not – we don't – we think we're really well positioned to get some mandates and pick up from where we left off in early 2020 where we were really starting to see momentum there.

Sean Haydon

Analyst

Got it. Okay. And just finally on National, I know I asked this last time, but as far as the payment for prior litigation is that going to like roll through eventually? Or is that just something that's going to kind of exist here?

Tom Kelleher

Management

Are you saying do we feel like the litigation is behind us from National?

Sean Haydon

Analyst

Yes. Yes. Like any liability there?

Bryant Riley

Management

Well, look, look here, here. Let's we would – we just merged the broker dealer. So I think that speaks to our confidence and we've made a lot of changes. I mean, we've – we think we have a high – really high quality group of wealth managers and we made decisions to, in our opinion upgrade that meaningfully and that resulted in TK probably knows this better than me, but I would say 180 wealth managers moving on to other spots. So I think we're – I think we're, we feel good about where we are one benefit Sean that we've had more recently is interest rates help that business. You get money and your cash at the cleaning firm. So while there's not been a lot of activity in the underwriting side, and it's been kind of challenging, I would estimate there's $8-ish million a year in incremental cash on cash that we're getting versus last year. So if we can – if we can get a little bit of more of an active market and build on those cash-on-cash dollars we're getting, I could see it being really nice and profitable with a smaller but better core.

Sean Haydon

Analyst

Okay, great. That's all I got. Thanks guys and congrats.

Bryant Riley

Management

Thanks. Thanks, Sean. We appreciate it.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] The next question is from Brett Hendrickson with Nokomis Capital. Please go ahead.

Brett Hendrickson

Analyst

Hey Bryan.

Bryant Riley

Management

Hey Brett.

Brett Hendrickson

Analyst

Sorry, I have just a couple of clarification questions. Did I hear right $7.1 million from Hurley and Justice?

Tom Kelleher

Management

Are you asking about what the dividends were?

Brett Hendrickson

Analyst

Well, yes. What you had coming back to you and then I wanted to understand and make sure the geography hadn't changed, I think that goes in.

Tom Kelleher

Management

Yes. I mean, if you look at the brands Hurley and Justice we're talking about 40, low-40 kind of run rate with Hurley and Justice at $7.4 million for the quarter.

Brett Hendrickson

Analyst

Okay. $7.4 million and where did that $7.4 million go on the...

Tom Kelleher

Management

When you say where did it go? It's just we get a dividend. So...

Brett Hendrickson

Analyst

Yes. So it doesn't go in the brand segment. It goes in interest and other; I don't have your P&L in front of me right now.

Phillip Ahn

Management

We recognize that in our capital market.

Brett Hendrickson

Analyst

Okay. And has that been consistent? Is that always been in capital market?

Phillip Ahn

Management

Yes, it's an investment out there, correct.

Brett Hendrickson

Analyst

Okay, good. And I only had one question when hit star one Bryant, but you generated two more from me. Did I hear with the last investor, did you say underwriting went from $385 million to $9 million? What was that stat?

Bryant Riley

Management

$385 million for the year to $9 million for the quarter. So on average of $95 million, Brett, that's a 50 plus type of margin business that would pretty much be all incremental. So $85 million, less $42.5 million of 50, I mean, it's maybe go a little bit higher. So I was just pointing out that I feel pretty good about our results when we're dealing with these inputs that we have. We're very little control of, it's not like we've lost market share. The market just stopped. I think there's a lot of preparation that goes into that at way ahead of time and I feel like that came back to us as a benefit here this quarter.

Brett Hendrickson

Analyst

Great. And then the last clarification, are you saying that in the – with the cash you have with the clearing firms related to wealth management; did you say interest this year is on an $8 million higher run rate than last year? Just on the interest – just on the fed funds move so far?

Phillip Ahn

Management

So it's, I would say as of right now, so, I think the last – there you hit certain hurdles and then you pick up and TK, you comment if you want, if I get this wrong, but it's the last fed fund, the last rate increased was a meaningful one. We just got another one and that's the measurement. So I think on an annualized basis we're about $8 million of 100% margin better than we were this time last year. Tom, does that sound about right?

Tom Kelleher

Management

Yes. That's right. Not to get two in the weeks, but we actually do principle clearing arrangements, one with Fidelity and one with Wells Fargo and there are separate agreements, different covenants, whatnot. So the Wells Fargo one kicked in earlier at lower levels and that's one I was referring to gone from $1 million run rate to about an $8 million run rate. Rates have to a bit more for the other one to kick in, but once again it kicks in much more quickly and numbers will accumulate much faster.

Brett Hendrickson

Analyst

Okay.

Tom Kelleher

Management

I mean, well that’s been a thing with wealth management where a lot of firms just lost a piece of income for years and, and it was always kind of a free call and interest rates that we viewed it as a little bit of a free call and we're finally after years and years seeing a little bit of a benefit from that.

Brett Hendrickson

Analyst

That's great. And I just want to clarify the – is that $8 million before the 75 bips that the fed did yesterday or is that after?

Phillip Ahn

Management

No, that's a run rate. So it might pick up a little bit, but I gave you, sorry, if I wasn't more specific, I gave you kind of like, we look at it every day and I think the number as of right now is in and around $8 million, maybe a little bit higher, better than last year.

Brett Hendrickson

Analyst

Okay. So that would be before, I don't think the fed funds has kicked in yet from yesterday. So that would be before the 75 bips...

Phillip Ahn

Management

No. I mean, we knew – I think we all knew fed funds were going to raise, so we did that – we did that math five days ago. I asked for an update and included the three quarter basis point raise.

Brett Hendrickson

Analyst

Perfect. Okay. Thanks for the clarification. Keep up the good work.

Bryant Riley

Management

Thanks, Brett.

Operator

Operator

This concludes our question-and-answer session. It'd now like to turn the call back over to Mr. Riley for his closing remarks.

Bryant Riley

Management

Well, I think I prematurely did that, so I won't do it again. I do – we are really thankful for all our partners and our new partners and think that we're going to come out of this market softness really, really well and we're really excited to do that. So thank you. We'll talk next quarter and we look forward to it. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Before we conclude today's call, I will provide B. Riley Financials Safe Harbor statement, which includes important cautions regarding forward-looking statements made during this call. Statements made during this call about B. Riley Financials future expectations, plans and prospects and any other statements regarding matters that are not historical facts may constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Investors should be aware that any forward-looking statements are subject to various risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those discussed here today. These risk factors include the unpredictable and on-going impact of the COVID-19 pandemic, as well as the other risk factors explained in detail and the company's filings with the Securities & Exchange Commission. Please refer to these filings for a more detailed discussion of forward-looking statements and the risks and uncertainties of such statements. All forward-looking statements are made as of today and except as required by law. The Company undertakes no obligation to publicly update or revise any forward-looking statements, whether because of new information, future events, or otherwise. Thank you for joining us today for B. Riley Financials second quarter 2022 earnings conference call. You may now disconnect.