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OP
Operator
Operator
Good day, and welcome to the Renasant Corporation's 2012 Second Quarter Earnings Conference Call and Webcast. [Operator Instructions] Please note, this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr. John Oxford with the Renasant Corporation. Mr. Oxford the floor is yours, sir.
JO
John Oxford
Analyst
Thank you, Mike. Good morning. Thank you for joining us for Renasant Corporation's Second Quarter 2012 Earnings Conference Call. Participating in this call today are members of Renasant Corporation's executive management team. Before we begin, let me remind you that some of our comments during the call may be forward-looking statements, which involve risks and uncertainty. A number of factors could cause actual results to differ materially from the anticipated results or other expectations expressed in the forward-looking statements.
Those factors include, but are not limited to, interest rate fluctuation, regulatory changes, portfolio performance and other factors discussed in our recent filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. We undertake no obligation to update or revise forward-looking statements to reflect changed assumptions, the occurrence of unanticipated events or changes to future operating results over time.
And now, I'll turn the call over to Renasant Chairman and CEO, E. Robinson McGraw.
MC
E. McGraw
Analyst
Thank you, John. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to our second quarter 2012 earnings conference call. During the second quarter of '12, net income was approximately $6.3 million as compared to approximately $5.7 million for the second quarter of '11. We continue to execute our plan of driving improvement in key areas, which should result in sustained long-term profitability. Our second quarter financial results, as compared to the same period in '11, reflects significant growth in loans and noninterest-bearing deposits, a 22 basis point increase in net interest margin and a 31% increase in noninterest income. In addition, we continue to experience significant improvement in our credit quality metrics, as our net -- as our nonperforming loans and nonperforming assets not covered by FDIC loss-share agreements decreased by 42% and 27%, respectively, as compared to the same period in '11. Basic and diluted EPS were $0.25 for the second quarter of '12 as compared to EPS of $0.23 in the same period in '11. Net interest margin increased to 3.98% for the second quarter of '12 as compared to 3.76% for the second quarter of '11. Net interest income increased to $33.4 million for the second quarter of '12, from $32.6 million for the second quarter of '11. The current interest rate environment continues to put pressure on all financial institutions' ability to grow net interest income and net interest margin. Despite this pressure, we have continued to increase our net interest income and net interest margin through the restructuring of our funding mix and through the deployment of cash in the higher-yielding alternatives. Noninterest income was $16.2 million, up 31% for the second quarter of '12 as compared to $12.4 million for the second quarter of '11. Contributing to this year-over-year increase in noninterest income was strong growth in…
OP
Operator
Operator
[Operator Instructions] The first question we have comes from Catherine Mealor of KBW.
CM
Catherine Mealor
Analyst
Can you talk a little bit about the loan pipeline going into the third quarter?
MC
E. McGraw
Analyst
Yes. Let me let Mitch answer that for you. Mitch Waycaster.
MW
Mitchell Waycaster
Analyst
Catherine, the current 30-day pipeline is at $62 million, and if you break that down by state, 29% of that would be in Alabama, 10% in Georgia, 38% in Tennessee and 23% in Mississippi. And this pipeline should result in approximately $25 million in growth and non-covered loans in the next 30 days.
CM
Catherine Mealor
Analyst
Okay. Great. And can you talk a little bit about loan pricing? I think your loan yield was right at about 5.3% last quarter. Do you have that number for this quarter, and can you just talk a little bit about what kind of pricing you're seeing with this level of loan growth?
MC
E. McGraw
Analyst
Jim Gray will answer that one, Catherine.
JG
James Gray
Analyst
Catherine, loan yields from new and renewed loans for the second quarter were about 4.76%. That was actually about 5 basis points higher than the new and renewed loan yield for the first quarter. That was broken down about a 4.90 for the fixed rate loans and a 4.40 average for the variable rate loans.
CM
Catherine Mealor
Analyst
Okay. Great. And do you have what the average loan yield was for the quarter? So that's just for the new and renewed loans, correct?
JG
James Gray
Analyst
Around 5.30 for the quarter. I think that was down from a 5...
UE
Unknown Executive
Analyst
5.19 for this quarter.
JG
James Gray
Analyst
5.19 for this quarter, okay.
OP
Operator
Operator
The next question we have comes from David Bishop of Stifel, Nicolaus.
DB
David Bishop
Analyst
A couple of questions. Number one, I see a little bit of a bump in expenses here this quarter, symptomatic of the hirings that you alluded to in terms of the new operations. Did you expect to see those sort of rein in, coming or flatlining as we look out into the second half of the year? Then I have a follow-up on credit as well.
MC
E. McGraw
Analyst
Yes. I'm going to let Stuart answer that expense question. But, yes, that's coming mainly from our expansion, and also some health insurance cost well divided [ph] but Stuart Johnson will answer that for you today.
SJ
Stuart Johnson
Analyst
They -- as Robin said, the most of the expenses are primarily increased for in the salary and benefits, about $1.2 million up, about 30% of that would have been due to our expansion of expenses and variable, as well as some other salary adjustments. One of the primary elevated expenses right now due to our mortgage production, they were up about 24% over the prior quarter. And then we continue to have elevated health insurance costs. It's accounted for about -- our benefits accounted for about 45% of that increase, primarily driven by health insurance.
MC
E. McGraw
Analyst
Dave, I think going back to the comment about the commission income, as you noticed, I think we had a very strong quarter in mortgage production. That higher commission expense is obviously variable and it depends on what that production is, and is offset, obviously, by much higher revenues on the income side.
DB
David Bishop
Analyst
Then looking at the loan loss provisions, still a little bit elevated relative to, I guess, your long term average. I think it's averaged about 7% of revenues. I think it's now a little bit over 9%. Given the direction in policiday [ph] delinquencies and nonperforming loans, do you think there's room to bring that over time, as maybe some of the clouds clear in terms of the economic outlook?
MC
E. McGraw
Analyst
I'm going to let Kevin answer that one, Dave.
KC
Kevin Chapman
Analyst
Yes, Dave. There is room to bring that down. I will say though that if you look at our provisions, some of the elevated provisions, maybe compared to other quarters, is going to be due to loan growth, just providing for that loan growth. But, yes, as some things kind of -- some of the volatility and just the overall, maybe national, global, macroeconomics, as we see some stability in that, you could see us bringing that provisioning down.
OP
Operator
Operator
The next question we have comes from Robert Madsen of Stephens.
RM
Robert Madsen
Analyst
I just wanted to follow up on the last question with expenses. So do you feel like this is a good run rate going forward, or was this quarter a little elevated?
SJ
Stuart Johnson
Analyst
The quarter, we expect that our health insurance probably just to remain elevated through at least the next quarter. And then the other expenses are going to be contingent again on mortgage production. There is a good pipeline in our secondary market mortgage production. And then dependent upon our OR expenses, they were $3.3 million during the second quarter, and dependent upon those expenses, even though we do expect those to abate at some point.
MC
E. McGraw
Analyst
I think those are the variables, Robert, I think the salary expense, obviously, in the new Eastern Tennessee market will continue, and we had pretty much a full -- not quite a full quarter of those new employees in that lipped [ph] out in the Maryville/Johnson City/Brissel [ph] area. Those will be consistent going forward, but those variables, obviously, as mortgage production continues to run at a high level, we'll see that commission expense continuing at that high level. By the same token, health insurance is a variable that we don't have any control over at this stage, and it just depends kind on how that levels out, then we think it probably will by the fourth quarter this year. A little bit somewhat lower levels than it was this part of the year, but we do expect third quarter to be somewhat similar. OREO expenses, I'm going to let Mark Williams make a comment about that, which is the third variable in this expense side.
MW
Mark Williams
Analyst
In regard to our OREO expenses, we have had good traction in the sale of our OREO. As that continues, and we believe it will, as you can see by our contracts, it will close by the end of the third quarter, those expenses will trail off. One of the things that we actually charged our OREO manager and our director of our appraisal unit, in the first half of the year, we wanted to make sure, as we started to see in our markets stabilization on real property, and that has occurred, we wanted to make sure that our OREO inventory was properly veyed [ph], and so we set those 2 out to make sure that those values were there, so we did have some, perhaps elevated impairments in the first half. Still very confident that we are reflective of the market there so that expenses should stabilize and not be at the same levels it was in the first half.
MC
E. McGraw
Analyst
Hopefully, that answered your question, Robert.
RM
Robert Madsen
Analyst
Yes. One more follow-up question on the OREO. Your balance was down 10%. Is this pace going to be sustainable going forward with the summer selling season coming up?
MW
Mark Williams
Analyst
We think it will be sustainable. We've got some good contracts going. We've got some strong inquiry already out there that have not led to any contracts at this time. We certainly believe that OREO has room to come down. Obviously, as we enter that fourth quarter, into the November, December, it might slow at the end of the year. Interestingly enough, half of our OREO sales this year has been in lots and A&D. So that follows suit when we see stabilization in the market, the housing picking up, it's allowing us to start moving some of that product. And that's across all of our footing, even including in our DeSoto County. We had some DeSoto County sales in the second quarter, and we're receiving far more levels of interest, which is leading to viewings and showings of lots and raw land in that market.
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Operator
Operator
The next question we have comes from Michael Rose of Raymond James.
MR
Michael Rose
Analyst
I got on the call late, so sorry if I missed this. But how should we think about the runoff in covered loans, really, over the next year or 2? I mean, should it kind of continue at this pace, or will it kind of taper off as we get into later 2013, 2014?
MW
Mark Williams
Analyst
Yes, Michael, this is Mark. And we do anticipate the runoff on those covered loans to remain at about the level it has been for the remainder of this year. That's about $25 million in a quarter. Our first 2 years, we projected to be the largest of where we're trying to right size and get those toxic loans either rehabilitated or out of our system, and naturally, some of that trails into our OREO and our loss-share. But we do anticipate that to be at the same level for the remainder of the year, and maybe a little bit in the first quarter of '13, and then level out.
MR
Michael Rose
Analyst
Okay. That's helpful. And then on a secondary topic, and I'm sorry if I missed this. Can you kind of give us an update on the RBC Trust acquisition and on the wealth management's line item in fee income, I mean, is this sort of a good run rate until you've, I guess, more fully integrate that? And I guess continue to expand that business throughout your entire footprint?
MC
E. McGraw
Analyst
Michael, before I let -- I'm going to let Mitch Waycaster answer that question. But let me add something to Mark's comments. The good news is with the runoff in that Georgia loss-share, we have just about gone dollar-for-dollar in loan production this quarter with the runoffs. So -- and this is just out of Georgia. So it's just about a push in Georgia. So we are, in fact, maintaining our loan balance in Georgia as a result of that. Mitch?
MW
Mitchell Waycaster
Analyst
Michael, we -- that would be a good run rate going forward on wealth management, and just to give you an update on the operation in Alabama, we have retained 95% of the assets under management, which early on was much of our focus. But we have begun to grow assets under management in that market in Alabama, also leveraging the expertise there with other markets and growing assets as well. In addition, the hiring of trust professionals in our Columbus and our Starkville markets, all producing good results in that area. So yes, we believe that's a good run rate and could -- should continue to see improvement coming really from across the system.
MC
E. McGraw
Analyst
Michael, we see that as a real growing area of the company. And as Mitch said, what we're trying to do is to export the expertise in the Birmingham unit to our other metropolitan markets. We feel like with -- we have a trust professional now in the Atlanta area. We're looking to do the same thing in the Nashville market. So we feel like that we should grow that business as a result of the expertise and the backbone that we've created in Birmingham. And let me make a comment, too, and Mike Ross is here. I'll let Mike talk a little bit about the cross-sale opportunity, and what they have been doing in that Birmingham area. As you know, Mike is our Regional President for the Eastern Region, which encompasses Alabama and Georgia. Mike, you want to comment on that?
MR
Michael Ross
Analyst
I'd be delighted to, Robin. We feel like we can really leverage our commercial banking teams that are calling on companies that have assets under management, or needs for trust services, whether it be 401K administration or other types of services. And we have those people co-located in Birmingham, and because of that, we've actually seen some good success and some early growth in assets under management. And we anticipate accelerating that, not only in the Birmingham market but in our other markets, just due to participation in the same sales meetings and getting the teams educated on the fact that we have those products and services to sell.
OP
Operator
Operator
The next question we have is a follow-up from David Bishop with Stifel, Nicolaus.
DB
David Bishop
Analyst
Yes, Robin, sort of just dovetailing with your comments about Georgia in terms of offsetting. Where are you seeing that growth coming from? Because obviously that's been sort of perceived as sort of a barren wasteland in terms of loan growth opportunities. And then I think you said you had $25 million in terms of Georgia. Just curious about the tender of those loans, and what you're actually seeing within those markets?
MC
E. McGraw
Analyst
I'm going to let Mike Ross answer that.
MR
Michael Ross
Analyst
I'd be delighted to. What we're doing is executing strategies in our Georgia market, not too dissimilar from what we began in Alabama a couple of years ago, which is to -- we've recruited some bankers that have good solid core relationships with solid companies that are in the marketplace, and our loan growth in Georgia is not indicative of growth in the overall economy in Georgia. But we are actually taking share from some of our competition, and most specifically, in the area of C&I or owner-occupied real estate type financings where you've got core solid businesses that have been around a long time that have dealt with the same bankers for a long time. And those bankers happen to be employed by us.
MC
E. McGraw
Analyst
Dave, going back to when we purchased Crescent, if you will recall at that time, our stated strategy was that we would in fact quarantine the bad loans which we've done with our loss-share team, and it would go back to banking. We felt like that there were some really good markets there in that north of 285 part of Atlanta. And we've been able, as Mike was indicating, to pick up some very good bankers. There were about 36,000 small businesses in that market that we feel are under-banked at this time, and we feel that we are in fact filling that void. And as a result of it, we have basically come close to keeping pace with loan growth to offset that loss-share runoff.
OP
Operator
Operator
The next question we have comes from Kevin Fitzsimmons of Sandler O'Neill.
KF
Kevin Fitzsimmons
Analyst
Robin, I apologize if you covered this already, but I was curious what your latest thoughts were on expansion plans, whether that be through additional de novo entries into new markets and/or M&A opportunities. And within M&A, what specifically you're seeing and hearing on FDIC deals and live bank deals and whether there are conversations out there and whether you're sensing some of the live banks are becoming to -- coming to realize that it's just a tougher environment and it might be wise to join up with a player like yourself?
MC
E. McGraw
Analyst
Kevin, to answer your question, we're interested in all of the above, and we're certainly pursuing all of the above. I'm going to let Kevin Chapman comment on the acquisition aspect of it, both from an FDIC and an open bank standpoint. And we -- and obviously, we're still open to further de novo branching, but it has to be under the same guidelines that we've gone in the past, not the field of dreams "you build it they will come", but just the exact opposite. We have to have a team first, and then we'll build. And that's, I think, why we've been as successful as we are. Going back to the 2 Alabama de novos are in fact -- have in fact crossed over to profitability. The 2 Mississippis will cross over, we feel, this quarter, the third quarter. And we're getting on our feet pretty well now with a nice pipeline in the East Tennessee market. But I'm going to let Kevin comment on the acquisition opportunities.
KC
Kevin Chapman
Analyst
Yes, Kevin, we do think there's opportunity. Just -- and a specific comment to your question about open bank M&A, we don't think the headwinds in the smaller community banks are going to subside anytime soon. In fact, the new capital requirements are going to put more pressure on those smaller banks. So we still think there will continue to be conversations. Our strategy has been kind of three-pronged through -- in expansion, either through de novo, with open bank M&A or FDIC acquisitions. And we think that gives us a lot of flexibility, and aren't looking for any one of them to help drive the growth. We've got basically what we think 3 options that we can capitalize on opportunities throughout all of our markets, and we'll continue to look at those and look at the returns and most efficient use to deploy the capital in any of them.
KF
Kevin Fitzsimmons
Analyst
Is there a certain size for a live bank deal that you feel you could go out today and do without needing more capital, and then, for something larger, do you feel comfortable that you can just go and do real-time, just-in-time capital like you've been doing over the last few years?
KC
Kevin Chapman
Analyst
We'll manage that capital based on the projected growth and needs, but we think that we can -- in the smaller size, the smaller community bank space, that we can easily absorb an acquisition without the need for additional capital.
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Operator
Operator
[Operator Instructions] The next question we have comes from Peyton Green of Sterne Agee.
PG
Peyton Green
Analyst
Robin, I was wondering maybe if you could talk a bit, and I apologize if I missed this earlier in the call, but if you could talk a little bit about the growth certainly, that y'all have experienced in the past 4 to 6 quarters in terms of the de novo growth, and maybe when you take your foot off the gas and look more towards improving the overall profitability? I guess the way I'm looking at it is that over the year, the ROA has gone from about 55 basis points to 62 or 63 basis points. And what -- even though the margin has lifted pretty meaningfully, I'm just wondering what kind of prospect you might see over the next 1 or 1.5 years as rates still stay low driving the overall ROA up?
MC
E. McGraw
Analyst
Good question, Peyton. We are -- feel like that -- well, we are in fact open to opportunities as they present themselves. We are going to be opportunistic, and we have done so, and as you said, probably at some sacrifice to profitability with the growth that we've had. Going back to the comment that I made to Kevin's in answer to his question, we have in fact seen both Alabama de novos move into the black, and we anticipate the same happening with Mississippi. We will have a drag for 2 or 3 more quarters possibly with the East Tennessee expansion that we've done. But what we're looking at right now, this quarter, we saw nice loan growth across the system. Of that growth, 44% of it was in Alabama, 14% of it was in Mississippi, with Tennessee and Georgia each having 21% of the growth. Now as we look at how that broke out, we saw about 48% of that growth occurring in our, what we'd say, legacy markets, those markets not including the de novos and Georgia, 31% of it came from the new markets and 21% of it came from Georgia. As we look at the new markets, I mentioned that Montgomery had gone black. Montgomery is 55% of that growth, Starkville and Tuscaloosa each represented about 15% of it, with Columbus and East Tennessee coming up with about 9% and 6%, respectively, in that particular regard. We're very pleased with the growth that we're seeing in these markets, and we feel like, as East Tennessee, obviously, we just opened up this quarter. So, therefore, we only booked a couple of million dollars or funded a couple of million dollars of loans and about $1.5 million of deposits. By the end of the quarter, we anticipate…
PG
Peyton Green
Analyst
Okay. And just a follow-up, I apologize. To Mitch's comment, but to what degree is the pipeline the same, stronger or less than it was a quarter ago?
MW
Mitchell Waycaster
Analyst
Peyton, it is stronger. Our current 30 day pipeline is at $62 million, and that should result in approximately $25 million growth in non-covered loans in the next 30 days.
PG
Peyton Green
Analyst
Okay. And what was it a quarter ago?
MW
Mitchell Waycaster
Analyst
I believe it's $48 million.
MR
Michael Ross
Analyst
And Peyton, as further color to what Mitch added, I can tell you from talking to our bankers that we -- our actual pipelines of loans that are not already approved and accepted or in the process of closing is actually very elevated right now versus what it was back in the last quarter. And there obviously are no guarantees we're going to win all those, but certainly, we have shown that we will certainly get our share. And we feel very confident that we're going to convert a lot of those into new customers.
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Operator
Operator
It appears that we have no further questions at this time. We'll go ahead and conclude our question-and-answer session. I will now like to turn the conference back over to management for any closing remarks. Gentlemen?
MC
E. McGraw
Analyst
Thank you, Mike. We appreciate everybody's time and interest in Renasant Corporation. And we look forward to speaking to everyone again in the near future. Thank you, everyone.
OP
Operator
Operator
We thank you, sir, and to the rest of the management, for your time. The conference has now concluded. We thank you, all, for attending today's presentation. At this time, you may disconnect your lines. Thank you, and take care.