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Renasant Corporation (RNST)

Q4 2013 Earnings Call· Wed, Jan 22, 2014

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to the Renasant Corporation 2013 Fourth Quarter Earnings Conference Call and Webcast. (Operator Instructions) Please note, this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to John Oxford. Please go ahead.

John Oxford

Management

Thank you, Andrew and good morning. And thank you all for joining us for Renasant Corporation's 2013 fourth quarter and year-end earnings webcast and conference call. Participating in this call today are members of Renasant’s executive management team. Before we begin, let me remind you that some of our comments during this call may be forward-looking statements, which involve risk and uncertainty. A number of factors could cause actual results to differ materially from the anticipated results or other expectations expressed in forward-looking statements. Those factors include, but are not limited to, interest rate fluctuation, regulatory changes, portfolio performance and other factors discussed in our recent filings with the SEC. We undertake no obligation to update or revise forward-looking statements to reflect changed assumptions, the occurrence of unanticipated events or changes to future operating results over time. Now I'll turn the call over to E. Robinson McGraw, Chairman and CEO of Renasant Corporation.

E. Robinson McGraw

Management

Thank you, John. Good morning everyone. Thank you for joining us today. During the fourth quarter of 2013, we experienced a strong finish to a great year. Financial highlights for the full year of ’13 as compared to ’12 include a 26% increase in net income, a 38% increase in loans, and an increase in net interest margin and continued improvement to our credit risk profile. In addition, one of our most significant accomplishments was our successful completion of the M&F merger, which is the largest merger in the history of our company. Looking at performance during the fourth quarter of ’13, net income was up approximately 55% to $11.3 million as compared to $7.3 million for the fourth quarter of ’12. Basic and diluted EPS were $0.36 as compared to $0.29 for the fourth quarter of ’12. This quarter’s results included a $1.3 million or $0.04 per share after-tax merger expenses associated with M&F transaction. Excluding these merger expenses, net income was $12.6 million or $0.40 per share. As a reminder, we completed our merger with M&F on September 1, 2013. As such, our results for this quarter reflect our first full quarter of M&F’s operations. Our return on average assets for the quarter were 78 basis points or 87 basis points, excluding merger expense, as compared to 70 basis points for the same period in ’12. Our return on equity for Q4 ’13 was 6.71% or 7.51% excluding merger expense, as compared to 5.80% for the same period in ’12. Total deposits, which include deposits acquired from M&F, were $4.8 billion as compared to $3.4 billion at December 31 of ’12. Our non-interest bearing deposits averaged approximately $888 million or 18.4% of average deposits as compared to $564 million or 16.5% of average deposits for Q4 of ’12.…

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions) First question comes from Catherine Mealor of KBW. Catherine Mealor – KBW: Can you give us some number of the accretion that you had this quarter?

Kevin Chapman

Analyst

Hi Catherine, I won’t break it out into a couple of different buckets, because – Catherine Mealor – KBW: Okay, great.

Kevin Chapman

Analyst

We did have some accelerated payments, some unscheduled pay-offs during the quarter in the M&F portfolio. And that contributed probably around 12 basis points to 13 basis points to the margin. They were loans that – they were not non-performing but they are loans that we had put on our watchlist and were monitoring. And they just paid off little bit quicker than we expected. Outside of that unexpected pay-off, margin this quarter included just on normal fair value margin and what would normally amortize all but it was another 14, 15 basis points. And so starting with our core margin, our core margin for the fourth quarter was around 382 and that’s up 3 basis points to 4 basis points from our core margin in Q3. Catherine Mealor – KBW: And what’s your outlook on the direction of your core margin going into next year?

Kevin Chapman

Analyst

Flat – we did see an improvement in the margins this quarter. And that’s the first time in call it five or six quarters that our core margin wasn’t under significant pressure – downward pressure. And so right now I would just say that it’s flat and it’s all depending on competition over loan rates. Catherine Mealor – KBW: And then maybe a follow up which is on the expenses, how fast through [ph] would you say you are through your cost savings for First M&F, I think it was about 25% of their expense saves which was around $14 million, how fast through are you at this point in time?

Kevin Chapman

Analyst

Catherine, the only expenses that we have left to cost savings, we have left to realize are just a handful of people that will remain on through the first quarter to help with a couple of post-conversion items. That is the only residual of our cost saves. We are tracking a little bit higher than our 25% cost saves that we projected back at acquisition. And so the majority of our cost saves during the fourth quarter occurred in December. So they are not reflected in the Q4 run rate but they will be fully reflected in Q1, excluding those handful of employees that are still on board.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Michael Rose of Raymond James.

Michael Rose - Raymond James

Analyst

Hey, I just wanted to get some context on the loan paydowns this quarter and if you see any other large paydowns on the horizon from the M&F book. And maybe if you can talk about what the core origination was from M&F and maybe what obviously the net impact was from the paydown. And then if you could talk about by market, I am sorry if I missed it; I got on the call little bit late – some of the pipelines by market and from your expansion markets?

E. Robinson McGraw

Management

Let me make a couple comments first, Michael. Again those were extraordinary paydowns. We do expect continuing paydowns. If you will recall as we budgeted, we budgeted M&F for the first 18 months to basically be flat, which would be paydowns on loans that we wanted to try to move out but still have some nice loan growth in other markets from our M&F acquisition. For the full months that M&F has been onboard, we saw loans that were in the Alabama markets. We saw production of about $2 million there. In Mississippi – our legacy Mississippi markets, we saw production of about $9 million, and in the new southern division, which includes that metro Jackson market, we saw about $21 million of new loans produced by that group. So we are seeing nice production there. Again those loans Kevin was talking about were unscheduled payoffs that came better than we anticipated. We thought those would be within that 18 month period but they actually came sooner than anticipated. We will have some more of that to keep and we feel like that we probably will from September 1 through 12/31 probably be relatively flat but we think that we probably on a net basis during 2014 may actually see a little loan growth from that M&F portfolio as a result of those accelerated payoffs this quarter.

Kevin Chapman

Analyst

Michael, this is Kevin, just to jump in. Going back to the previous acquisitions that we have done – your first two to three quarters are pretty noisy when it comes to unscheduled payoffs and then it quiets down, M&F through -- as Robin was mentioning, M&F since acquisition had about $60 million of payoffs and then their normal portfolio is going to aim out around $20 million to $25 million per month. And if we look at their production, just totaling the numbers that Robin gave you, they had production in between $30 million and $35 million. And so they are keeping pace with their normal amortization. It’s just we had several unscheduled payoffs and quite frankly, one of them was relatively large of the $12 million to $13 million loan that paid off. Again we expected it to pay off, we just did not expect it to pay off in the first quarter of the acquisition.

E. Robinson McGraw

Management

And something I want to point out to Michael that I think is pretty impressive which we’ve had not occurred in prior mergers is we saw about $40 million of production out of a group involved in combination integration and conversion, which I think is rather impressive is that they were able to do that. As far as the rest of our pipeline, I am going to let Mitch Waycaster give you some color on that.

C. Mitchell Waycaster

Analyst

Michael, our current 30 day pipeline stands at $65 million. If you break that down by state, 35% is in Tennessee; 10% in Alabama, 20% in Georgia and 35% in Mississippi. This pipeline should result in about $25 million in growth in non-acquired loans within 30 days. If you compare the current pipeline of $65 million to the prior year same period, that was $50 million and as we have seen in the past, the pipeline typically decreases end of the year, first quarter, due to cyclical demand for credit.

Michael Rose - Raymond James

Analyst

Okay, that’s great color. And if I could just ask one follow-up question moving on to the fee income. The service charges were a little bit less than what I was forecasting. Was there any – can you just explain, kind of, what happened there and then on your outlook for mortgage -- obviously, mortgage was down sequentially, but a little bit more than I was looking for. What is the outlook on mortgage from here? Thanks. I will let Jim Gray answer that, Michael?

James Gray

Analyst

You know, Michael, the first on the fee income, when you look at the different line items of fee income and break it and pull out the M&F income, we actually showed an improvement in legacy fee income particularly related to deposit fees. The fees and commissions of loans and deposits were -- actually they were up, but one thing you may not see in that number is there was a decrease of about 250,000 in mortgage origination fees out of that number. Looking at insurance, commissions and fees when you take out M&F, legacy was about flat. And when you take out the M&F related to wealth management, it was about flat. We will get to mortgage loans in just a minute. One thing in the third quarter under other non-interest income, we did have a significant BOLI claim in the third quarter and that was not precedent in the fourth quarter which led to some of the decline in the other non-interest income. Specifically, talking about mortgage, at the time I gave the guidance, I will take full responsibility for that. In October, we were seeing the pipeline stabilized. Our volumes were still pretty strong. And of course, we did have a large negative fair value adjustment to the pipeline in the third quarter. So all things being equal through the fourth quarter we did anticipate some improvement there. Subsequent to the call, we did see our daily lock volumes slow down significantly. We got another quarter percent increase in rates after the Fed announced they were going to start tapering. Of course, looking at where we are now, we have seen our daily locks increase fairly significantly since the end of the year. And per the daily lock report, our margins are stabilised. So we would project into the – I am a little hesitant just to make a projection on gain, but we should see some improvement in the first quarter provided we don’t see further rate increases. With our volume stabilizing with the daily locks we should see some improvement in our pipeline with our margins stabilizing.

Kevin Chapman

Analyst

Hey Michael, this is Kevin. One thing to follow-up on what Jim said on the non-interest income. I think it’s important to note that we completed the conversion in mid-December. And at that time that’s when we converted all the deposit accounts to a uniform fee schedule. Prior to that we were operating off of two different fee schedules. So starting in the first quarter, in effect, it will be a same type of fee schedule for all of our deposit accounts.

E. Robinson McGraw

Management

And I think part of it too, Michael, with disclosures it will push back some of those fee changes until the second quarter.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Matt Olney of Stephens.

Matt Olney - Stephens Inc.

Analyst

Hey, just follow up on the whole mortgage discussion Jim, I believe, you mentioned there was a fair value adjustment in the fourth quarter, do you have the dollar amount of that?

Jim Gray

Analyst

I believe it was around 400,000.

Matt Olney - Stephens Inc.

Analyst

Okay, and I guess, the next question is for Kevin. You gave us some comments on your core margin outlook. How should we be thinking about the purchase accounting income the next few years, over the next few quarters and the new few years? I know, it is tough to predict, but what would you say the impact would be and how big would that margin drop-off be on an absolute basis?

Kevin Chapman

Analyst

So let’s break it down into three buckets. You have got your core margin which I mentioned is around 382 and then adding to that our normal recurring fair value adjustments for interest rate margins [ph], either on the loans or deposit side, and that’s contributing, let’s call the 15 basis points to the margin. And that’s going to be pretty stable for at least the next two years. And then after two years, we start -- this amortization will start expiring, and the wildcard is unscheduled payoffs that will be – the wildcard is what amount of accretable yield comes back in because of changes in cash flows from either unscheduled payoffs or improvement in the underlying credits. But as it stands right now about 15 basis points of enhancements that is fairly normal, fairly consistent and should last for the next 20 to 24 months.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Andy Stapp of Merion Capital Group.

Andrew Stapp - Merion Capital Group

Analyst

Can I get your yield on loans for the quarter?

E. Robinson McGraw

Management

Roll-in rates – actually I will give you the roll-ins, and Kevin I think will give you the actual. Our roll-ins for new production, new loans was like 45%, renewed loans were 57% for the quarter.

Kevin Chapman

Analyst

On a combined basis, our new and renewed stayed flat compared to Q3 and let’s call it 450.

Andrew Stapp - Merion Capital Group

Analyst

Okay, and can I get the mix between – on your mortgage banking originations refi versus purchase?

James Gray

Analyst

Sure, Andy, this is Jim. For the fourth quarter refi was 43% and that was down from 47% in the third quarter.

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions) The next question comes from Kevin Fitzsimmons of Sandler O'Neill.

Kevin Fitzsimmons - Sandler O'Neill

Analyst

I just wanted a follow-up on your comments on loan growth. It looked like I know, on an average basis it’s very noisy on a linked quarter comparison. But in the period it looked like it was basically flattish as you had decent growth on legacy, but it was offset by declines in covered and acquired loans. So looking ahead at the prospect for that continuing, it sounded, Robin, like you said that since you had such a big drop off in acquired loans this quarter you would expect that amount of quarterly decline to be less and that maybe on a net basis on the total portfolio you could actually show growth in the coming quarters. Just wanted to make sure if that was correct and if I was looking at that right?

E. Robinson McGraw

Management

Yes, that’s correct. Going back to what was originally planned is basically flat for 18 months with M&F, but I think, part of that has already occurred. So we should see a little uptick on the acquired loans there on the covered portfolio. We should start seeing the runoff in covered start over the next – almost 18 months, I guess, start declining a little bit from what we have seen in the past as we get closer to the end of that. So yet, net, we should see some increase in loans over the course of the year.

Kevin Chapman

Analyst

Yes, if you go back and look at total loans, I think, we were basically flat compared to third quarter. One thing I would like to point on the two acquired portfolios, those portfolios will be declining. Any new origination out of those operations whether it’s M&F or Georgia are not included in those two buckets. That is just the portfolio we acquired at the date of acquisition. And the reason we are separately breaking them out is it’s just a different basis of accounting for those two portfolios compared to anything we originate. But just echoing Robin’s comments, I mean we’ve got a lot of opportunity for growth. We saw – if you look at the quarterly – if we annualize the quarterly growth rate, I mean, that’s 13%. We do have some headwinds with the M&F roll off but we think over – in the near term, short term, that will stabilize. I think I mentioned to Michael Ross on his question that the normal paydowns is about $20 million to $25 million of principal amortization. I think I mentioned per month, that’s actually a quarterly number, it’s not a monthly number; it’s a quarterly number. But we have growth in M&F. We have growth coming out of Georgia. Those acquired portfolios are only going to be declining from here on now.

Kevin Fitzsimmons - Sandler O'Neill

Analyst

So the acquired portfolio is declining and that’s just a fact. But any new loans you make or refinance, or restructure in that M&F footprint is going into non-acquired loans essentially, right?

Kevin Chapman

Analyst

For the most part, yes.

Kevin Fitzsimmons - Sandler O'Neill

Analyst

And then just a follow up. I know, Robin, you’ve talked about wanting to take some time to get this fully integrated, build the capital ratios back up. If you can just give us an update on where you want to take that TCE ratio back to when you think you can get there, and then what kind of level of conversations of other opportunities you are sensing that are out there today and where you might be interested?

E. Robinson McGraw

Management

I think we still are on our original target for getting that TCE back up into the 7 range by the end of this year. As you saw, we had a nice about what – 17, 18 point – basis point increase this quarter. So we anticipate that barring some unforeseen action being back at that 7 level by the end of the year. And answers to your other question, there is a lot of noise out there on M&A front. You have seen several acquisitions announced. We’ve had a considerable number of calls and opportunities there. So we definitely feel like that we’ve integrated the M&F merger to the extent that we are in a position that we can start talking about opportunities.

Kevin Chapman

Analyst

And Kevin, just following up on Robin, we’re targeting 7%. We are not necessarily saying we have to be at 7% before we do any other type of external opportunities. We will look at it. If any opportunity allows us to continue on the pace to get back to 7%, we would definitely look at it.

Operator

Operator

This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to E. Robinson McGraw, Chairman and CEO for any closing remarks.

E. Robinson McGraw

Management

Thank you, Andrew. We appreciate everyone’s time and interest in Renasant Corporation. And we certainly look forward to speaking with you again in the near future. Thanks everyone.

Operator

Operator

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today’s presentation. You may now disconnect.