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Roivant Sciences Ltd. (ROIV)

Q2 2021 Earnings Call· Mon, Nov 15, 2021

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Operator

Operator

Good day ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Roivant Second Quarter Earnings Conference Call. At this time all participants are in listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. Instructions will follow at that time. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this call may be recorded. I would now like to introduce your host for today’s conference call. Mr. Paul Davis, you may begin.

Paul Davis

Analyst

Good morning and thank you for joining today’s call to discuss Roivant’s second quarter results and business updates. I’m Paul Davis, the Head of Communications at Roivant. On the call today we have Matt Gline, our Chief Executive Officer, who will be presenting. We also have Richard Pulik, our Chief Financial Officer; Frank Torti our Vant Chair; Eric Venker, President and Chief Operating Officer; Mayukh Sukhatme, President and Chief Investment Officer; and Todd Zavodnick, the CEO of Dermavant. For those dialing in via conference call, you can find the slides being presented today, as well as the press release announcing these updates on our IR website at www.investor.roivant.com. We’ll also be providing the current slide numbers as we present to help you follow along. I’d like to remind you that we will be making certain forward-looking statements during today’s presentation that reflect our current views and expectations, including those related to our financial performance and the potential attributes of our product candidates. We strongly encourage you to review the information that we have filed with the SEC, including the earnings release in Form 10-Q filed this morning for more information regarding these forward-looking statements and related risks and uncertainties. We will begin with Matt Klein, who will review key business updates across Roivant and Vants including updates from Dermavant, Immunovant and Aruvant, he will provide a financial update. We will end the call with a Q&A session. And with that, I’ll turn it over to Matt.

Matthew Gline

Analyst

Thank you, Paul and good morning, everybody, and thank you for joining our first earnings call ever in Roivant’s history. It’s a pleasure to be talking to you today and to be sharing some updates about the business. Before I talk about the quarter, I want to start on Page 4 with just a reminder of who Roivant is and why we’re excited about the business that we’re building. Yes, what we’ve said since the beginning of Roivant’s history is that we’re here to redefine what a big pharma company can be from end-to-end, focusing in particular on a novel talent model, in which we’re organized as a family of small nimble entrepreneurial biotech companies that we call Vants, as well as focusing on using computational tools and data in a differentiated way to improve the discovery, development and commercialization of new medicines. On Page 4, I highlight some of the key highlights of our business. Starting with, we have a number of Vants with quite a broad pipeline and a number of different technologies that we think enable us to do better at our business. We are well funded with a $2.5 billion cash balance at the end of the September quarter. We have and we’ll spend some more time later today talking about it. A full chip-to-clinic discovery platform with we believe best-in-class computational capabilities, for simulations, molecular dynamic simulations, which enable us to do a better job at discovering, in particular in the field of novel protein degraders. We have a collection of public equity stakes in Vants and other businesses that we built over time of $940 million value, plus additional private holdings, including approximately 12% stake in Datavant, which is a business that we built to solve an important healthcare data problem the siloing [ph]…

IMVT-1401

Analyst

And it was designed for that route of administration from the very beginning. And it was one of the theses on which we in-licensed it. And then flexible dosing potential with the possibility to obtain deep, rapid IgG suppression in the short term, and with the ability to adjust that IgG suppression with flexibility in the long-term. And that’s the sort of thing that winds up being quite important in the treatment of these patients with these diseases. As people often think about induction, and they think about rescue therapy, and they think about other sort of flexible attributes of dosing that we think are going to matter in the indications that are relevant here. So what we’ve said and what Immunovant has said remains true is that we are finalizing our plans to initiate a number of clinical trials in batoclimab next year. And the final piece of that is we are awaiting feedback from the FDA, which we expect this quarter on our proposed trial designs and so Immunovant will provide an update before the end of this year on that feedback from FDA and our plans, and we look forward to providing that update and to continuing this program and development important.

ARU-1801, a Lentiviral gene therapy for sickle cell disease, which we

Analyst

And then the other program in our Aruvant, ARU-2801 I an adeno viral gene therapy for hypophosphatasia which has shown in preclinical data durable increases in tissue nonspecific alkaline phosphatase through 18 months. And it has the possibility to be a one-time prescription or one-time therapy to replace chronic enzyme replacement therapy as standard of care with IND enabling studies currently ongoing.

ARU-1801

Analyst

From what you can see on Page 21, is that we observed a dramatic improvement in the condition of these patients. Even the first few patients on the original academic manufacturing process observed a near complete elimination of vaso-occlusive events, and to date, and we provided this update at our R&D event in September, we have observed no vaso-occlusive events in these patients through 18 months in the case of patient three, and through 12 months in the case of patient four, so effectively a complete clinical cure of the symptoms of sickle cell disease, so something that we are extremely excited about. busulfan as a mal or ablative preconditioning agent: busulfan, these: busulfan: busulfan is also: busulfan:

ARU-1801

Analyst

So across our portfolio, we expect to initiate at least four Phase 2 or 3 studies in 2022, including as a Immunovant has guided, multiple pivotal studies in batoclimab across multiple indications, as well as, we have not spent a lot of time talking about this program, but we will start doing some more in the new year. We remain on track to initiate our Phase 2 trial with namilumab, our anti-GM-CSF monoclonal antibody in sarcoidosis, that kind event in the first half of 2022. And that’s an important disease with poor current treatment options, and comparatively many patients. And so it’s something that we are again, looking forward to speaking more about, as well as Phase 2 trial in LSVT-1701, which is our novel into license for potential treatment of Staph aureus bacteremia, that again, could address significant unmet need and we’re excited to begin that trial next year as well. So, moving on from our development stage programs, and we look forward to continue providing updates as we have them. I want to provide a reminder about our approach to drug discoveries, which is also an important, and important pillar of our strategy on a going forward basis. And as a reminder, first of all, much of our clinical pipeline historically, in many of the programs we talked about today has been assembled by in-licensing. So we often, we take a target an opportunity based thesis approach to figuring out which programs to add to our pipeline. And we have teams that were even -- that are responsible for boiling the ocean, looking for new therapies that match the issues we’ve identified. And as we’ve said, over the past several years, we’ve repeatedly gotten excited about targets and opportunities where when we look for programs in-licensed nothing quite fit the bill. And so we started to invest a number of years ago in a discovery platform that could complement our in-licensing efforts and allow us to work on a broader set of programs that we’ve identified. And so on Page 25 is sort of just a schematic of what that platform looks like. And critically, it includes both, we believe a leading computational drug discovery platform, combining molecular dynamics and AI and machine learning, that allows us to do free energy calculations and simulate biological motions, including agonism, including searching for novel allosteric binding sites, all kinds of bias signaling. And as well, and I’ll talk about this in a moment, as we believe is the most precise simulation of ternary complexes, which is the combination of a protein and E3 ligase necessary to achieve protein degradation. So to make predictions of the important ingredients in successfully degrading a protein, which is one of the reasons we are focused on the area of targeted protein degradation.

Silicon Therapeutics

Analyst

And then an extraordinary team of wet lab chemists and wet lab, biologists, and biophysicists working to complement that engine across a number of different facilities that enable us to generate novel biology, chemistry and biophysics data, which critically our computational platform has been specifically designed to ingest and incorporate and that feedback loop, the combination of world-class wet lab biophysical data, with world-class computational tools, we think provides real differentiation, a vis-à-vis other computational companies that don’t necessarily have the ability to integrate that wet lab data, as well as vis-à-vis any of the other degrader companies, for example, that haven’t made this kind of investment in computational tools. So it gives us a unique position in the degrader landscape. So on Page 26, I highlight one of the important features there, which is our ability to simulate and I mentioned this before, binding and instability of ternary complex formation, which we think has the potential to be very important in structure based design of novel protein degraders. So this is, we think, the most accurate simulations ever made of the position and conformation of the combination of an E3 ligase with a protein with a degrader, so that we can start to make predictions about which degrader designs will most effectively recruit and stabilize ternary complex formation, and which of those in turn will maximize the probability and magnitude degradation. So, we are already actively using these tools in a number of our degrader programs, and we show on Page 27 our discovery stage pipeline. So we spoke previously about our development stage pipeline. We have a number of programs between Proteovant and Roivant Discovery, across principally degrader, but also occasional other small molecule inhibitor modalities across targets ranging from highly clinically validated targets like our androgen receptor…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator instructions] Your first question comes from Robyn Karnauskas from Truist Securities. Your line is open.

Robyn Karnauskas

Analyst

Great, thanks for taking my question and congrats on the first earnings call. So, number one, for tapinarof, you noted that a lot of patients and maybe you could restate the percent of patients when they go on their biologic, they also can maintain them on the topical? When you’re thinking about pricing I know you said you haven’t decided yet. How much of that factor in to that decision and what’s your latest thoughts on pricing given insights prices strategy? And the second question is on the IP lawsuit with Moderna, could you give an update on the case maybe give us a sense, just legally, what kind of news we will hear over the next six months? Thanks.

Matthew Gline

Analyst

So, I will start with the tapinarof question. Thanks Robyn, thank you for joining the call. I’ll start with the tapinarof question and then I’ll come back to the Genevant question. So, I’ll give Todd a chance to answer most of this question, but I’ll just say, first of all, for all the reasons mentioned I’m really excited about what tapinarof can do, even in sort of, main or first line therapies psoriasis patients are not just to med concurrent setting. And as you said, we haven’t given guidance on price, but there’s a pretty wide envelope from the lower prices of generic corticosteroids today too, you know Tesla at $3500 a month I think and some of the other therapies at higher prices. So we have a wide range to look at. I’ll hand it over to Todd to give his thoughts on the two questions that you asked.

Todd Zavodnick

Analyst

Hey, thanks Matt. Good morning. Hey Robyn, how are you? Thanks for the questions. I think the first response you had asked us to repeat, I guess Matt shared pretty much known in dermatology two-thirds of biologic therapy, two-thirds are receiving topical medications concurrently. So in all of our advisory boards, it’s very well shared, but this is just a normal practice within dermatology. Keeping in mind that for tapinarof a label is obviously with a mild, moderate-to-severe plaque psoriasis and again in our study we took a look at mild at 10%, 80% of the patients moderate and 10% severe, where really the majority of prescriptions reside in mild-to-moderate. So for us it’s just, when we talk to physicians it’s a wide-open opportunity of where tapinarof will be used across the spectrum for patients. I think your second question on pricing, yes we have time and it is exciting to go back to Matt’s first point, which is we’re bringing not only a novel mechanism of action to this space, but we’re bringing a target product profile, with that novel mechanism that is unmatched. So, when you look at efficacy, you look at the durability Matt talked about, and then really the remittance, that’s really where physicians will share, this with the topical and biologic like properties and then safety and tolerability. So, for us, really we need to take a look at that. When we look at recent medications that were brought to market with black boxes and you’re seeing prices in the $1900 range, we’re just going to take a look and do the work that we need to do and price it accordingly, because the other key point to take away is, it’s not only the five attributes that differentiate tapinarof, it’s really the 2 in 1, transformational asset that it is. So, it’s this crossover mechanistically between psoriasis and AD, so we have some work in front of us.

Matthew Gline

Analyst

Thanks Todd. And may be to take the Genevant question, so as I think you know Robyn, the pending research legal processes around, is appealed in the IPR process. So back in 2018, Moderna filed IPRs against a number of Arbutus Genevant patents. And after a number of those IPRs were decided in Genevant’s favour, there was an appeal hearing in October on the patents numbered 069 and 435. I will say Arbutus and Genevant’s scientists have been leaders in this field for two decades and we have strong convection in the strength of the pattern portfolio. There’s a number of different outcomes that could come from that appeal decision. I think we would expect it on sort of standard timeline, measured in a small number of months, but think it would be difficult to potentially inappropriate to speculative on what the outcome of those appeals to be. And we’re looking forward to providing update, once we’ve got it on what that looks like and then process from there.

Robyn Karnauskas

Analyst

Okay great. [Indiscernible] Have you had to do a combo study, for combo use, when you go on your biologic, do you have to do any study? I know steroids it seems like that seems easy to do, so do you have to do additional work to get that use once you’ve launched? Thanks.

Matthew Gline

Analyst

Yes Todd, please?

Todd Zavodnick

Analyst

Yes, okay, no problem, Matt. No, Robyn, I think at the end of the day, like I had shared our study was versus placebo with the indication for mild, moderate, severe, so all of plaque psoriasis. I think the dermatologist will just get there and I think it’s just natural treatment regimen of what we’ve been shared with and our advisory boards, I think it’s been shared with all companies that are innovating in the nonsteroidal space, which is where this whole market is shifting, as we look to the future. So, I’m sure that within the Phase 4 of the investigated initiated programs, they’ll be looked at, but it’s not something we need to do, we’re not going to be promoting it. I think the dermatologists have just educated us that this will actually happen, because it’s been happening well before us even coming to market.

Robyn Karnauskas

Analyst

Thank you.

Matthew Gline

Analyst

Thank you, Robyn.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Douglas Tsao from H.C. Wainwright. Your line is open.

Douglas Tsao

Analyst

Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking the questions. Just first, maybe on tapinarof, I’m just curious, how do you see the product, do you see the product being used differently in psoriasis versus tapinarof, meaning do you see it being used in combination with biologics more and more than versus the other frontline therapy and one versus the other? And does that affect or sort of influence how you think about pricing? Thank you.

Matthew Gline

Analyst

Yes. Thanks, Doug. I appreciate the question. Thanks for jumping on the call. I think your question is, do we see tapinarof as being used differently in psoriasis versus atopic dermatitis? And yes, I think it’s a good question for Todd.

Todd Zavodnick

Analyst

No, thanks Doug for the question. No, look, I think we see tapinarof being used first line. I think there were four patients with psoriasis. I mean, and that’s what we’re going to be promoting it for and in the mild-to-moderate category with the majority of prescription start. I think that the beauty when you launch a product like tapinarof with again, these five attributes, and a novel mechanism of action that make it totally different, is we’re not asking the market to change. We’re not asking physicians to change anything they’re doing, because the majority of patients have already failed on steroids. They’ve been looking for a product that’s non-steroidal, that has efficacy of a Class I steroid, but it’s also being able to be used anywhere on the body for any length of time and when you stop medication, you’re able to provide a benefit where patients are staying clear for a median timeline of up to 130 days. So for us, I think, Doug, you’re not asking people to change what they’ve been doing. You’re asking them to increase the level of standard of care to the new future and that’s what tapinarof is bringing. I think you’re going to see that across psoriasis and you’re going to see the same thing across atopic dermatitis.

Douglas Tsao

Analyst

Okay, great. That’s really helpful. And then just and this one follow up just as you think about the pipeline and the development of the business, how do you feel that sort of scaling and just given how broad your pipeline already is and between the discovery engine as well as further business development, at what point do you think you need to maybe sort of pump the brakes a little, just make sure that the business gets ahead of yourself? Thank you.

Matthew Gline

Analyst

Yes, thanks, Doug. That’s a good question. Before I -- before I jump to that, just one more comment on the tapinarof question you had asked. Yes, I think an important point about that tapinarof AD study is, it does go down to patients all the way to the agent two. And I think the point there is to provide the kind of flexibility to dermatologists. And this is exactly the point I was making, the kind of flexibility they are used to the existing drugs. So, back to your question about sort of expanding the pipeline. I think the short answer to that question is, when you think about our history, and I think this is not unique to Roivant, at any given moment, it feels like you are, you’re always constrained by something relative to what you want to do. And it feels like you flip flop between being constrained by talent. And I think that’s sort of to the scale question, being constrained by capital, and being constrained by the number of available opportunities that are exciting. And, I think we’ve always felt one of those constraints over time. I feel that we are in a very fortunate capital position right now. And recently, we’ve seen some really exciting opportunities come across our desks that we’re excited to pursue and excited to share. So I think the main constraining factor to us is to make sure that we can assemble Vant leadership teams fast enough, in order to take advantage of the opportunities today and I think what you’ll see as we bring in new programs is making sure that we’re doing so spooling up leadership teams, including internal and external talent quickly. And I think as long as we can keep those three things, kind of in lockstep with one another, we should see significant opportunity to further growth from this point. Now, part of that is the Vant model and the one thing I would say is, we are a company approaching a major commercial launch with tapinarof, and the reason that I feel comfortable focusing on other things, is because we have such an extraordinary team at Dermavant able to launch that product, and we have high conviction in their capability. I think that just gets to our proven track record in recruiting people like Todd and the team around him. So that’s kind of how I feel about that. Thanks for the questions good questions.

Douglas Tsao

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Yaron Werber from Cowen. Your line is open.

Yaron Werber

Analyst

Hi, guys, thanks very much for taking the questions. Congrats to the team. This is Brendan on for Yaron. Another one, just another quick one sorry on Tapinarof from us, obviously a lot of interest here in the asset across the board, but just really wanted to kind of poke a little bit and see what else you can maybe tell us about your interactions with FDA since the filing. Obviously, the agency seems a little overwhelmed lately with just kind of everything that’s going on there. So really any color you can give us on your discussions and meetings with them throughout the process? Maybe -- it’s excuse me site inspection, progress, et cetera, any of that would be would be really great.

Matthew Gline

Analyst

Yes, I think in short, our interactions have been positive and uneventful as you would want. Todd, I don’t know if there’s anything specific you would add to that?

Todd Zavodnick

Analyst

No, no, you’re right. I think, uneventful. I think they’re, the feedback has been back and forth positive and we’re wholly on track for everything we need to do for a mid-2022 review.

Yaron Werber

Analyst

Okay, great. And then if I could just squeeze one more in just actually about Immunovant also, I know a little, a lot of this is a little bit up in the air here, but kind of just trying to get some of your thoughts on, I guess, first where you’re at in discussions with FDA on batoclimab really what are the final pieces of feedback you’re looking to receive to kind of get these studies up and running again? And then really, just maybe kind of your strategy for the expansion opportunities here? Obviously, there’s some clear efficacy, but some other players going on. So really kind of just trying to see where you see the best opportunity for the drug. Thanks.

Matthew Gline

Analyst

Yes, thanks. It’s a good question and something we’re paying a lot of attention to. And obviously, Immunovant I just commented a fair amount on this publicly as well. We are excited for the breadth of the possibility for the program. The flexibility there is an incredibly strong attribute. The ability to dose relatively higher and get deep, fast IgG suppression or dose relatively lower and maintain a stable level of IgG suppression. I think there’s a lot going for us in that and that combines well with the other truly differentiated attributes of our program, which is none of the other programs really have the same level of a simple subcutaneous injection that we do. So we think the program is well positioned. We think there are indications in which our ability, our potency, our ability to dose higher and get to steep IgG suppression quickly will matter. We think there’s indications where the flexibility and most indications the flexibility is going to matter. So I think you will see when Immunovant is prepared to disclose his trial designs. You’ll see I think, optimizing for all of those features, and it’s something that we feel strongly is necessary to do in order to maximize potential for the program. In that context, obviously we wouldn’t want to sort of announce a strategy for specific clinical programs until we’ve gotten sign off from FDA for what that look like. And so, FDA is expected to provide feedback to us this quarter. It’s been, I would say, a sort of normal course interaction with them so, it’s not like we’ve received any particular information one way or the other. But we expect to receive that feedback and provide it in due course this quarter. And I would say, once we’ve gotten that feedback, we should be able to provide just a more fulsome update on our strategy across indications, that will give us a pretty clear sense for what our trial designs might look like.

Yaron Werber

Analyst

Okay, great. Thanks very much guys.

Matthew Gline

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Geoffrey Porges from SVB Leerink. Your line is open

Geoffrey Porges

Analyst

obsolera: And then secondly, couple of financial questions. Do you have any intention to change the current ownership structure with respect to Immunovant or Aruvant? And then lastly, Richard, is your $175 million are expense rate for Q3, the right basis for Q4 and for us to be modeling for next year on a quarterly basis or are there some trends that we should be aware of? Thank you.

Matthew Gline

Analyst

Yes, thanks, Geoff. Those were all great questions. I appreciate them. I’ll take them in turn and I’ll give Todd a chance to comment on tapinarof question as well. From my perspective, and again, Todd chime in if you feel differently, I think it’s hard to comment on the specific content of a label without having had that discussion with FDA. But I think there’s certainly nothing that we’ve seen in our data that would suggest anything like what you see with [indiscernible] or otherwise. And I will say, it’s very hard to detect, meaning we have very sensitive assays for systemic absorption of tapinarof and we see basically, no systemic absorptions. It’s very hard to detect even on picomolar assays, any level of systemic absorption of the therapy. So that’s kind of where we are with the data. Todd, anything you see would add to that?

Todd Zavodnick

Analyst

No, sounds great.

Matthew Gline

Analyst

Yes, so that was the, you got it Geoff.

Geoffrey Porges

Analyst

No, that’s great. Thanks.

Matthew Gline

Analyst

So that was the first question. The second question was do we expect to change anything with respect to our ownership structures of Immunovant or Aruvant? So I would say, we made a significant investment in Immunovant during this fiscal quarter. That investment was designed to do two things. One is, as you might imagine, is signal that we think it’s an attractively priced opportunity, and we wanted to own more of it. And the other is, as I mentioned, it’s important that those studies be run to maximize the opportunity for flexibility and to maximize the number of indications that we can pursue in a competitive field. And so we want to make sure Immunovant is well capitalized to do that. We are enthusiastic about the prospects for that program and we’d like to continue to be a major owner of it. And then, with Aruvant it’s obviously, sort of wholly owned by Roivant, with the exception of the piece owned by Cincinnati Children’s Hospital. I don’t, at the moment, see any near term need to change that, but we are opportunistic, and we’ll keep an eye on the possibilities as that sort of continues to develop. And then the last question was for Richard about the cash and I’ll hand it over to him in a second to see if he has any further comments. The one thing I’d just note is remember that that $175 million includes our fully consolidated expense. So that includes Immunovant trial expenses as well. And my only other comment on this is, just remember that, because we’re in the business of running large Phase 3 studies, some quarters that will be higher, some quarters will be a little bit lower, depending on which studies are ongoing. But in general, I think you can sort of watch our financial statement. Rich I don’t know if there’s anything else.

Richard Pulik

Analyst

Yes, we haven’t provided any guidance at this point. I think I would just want to point out on Slide 23, that we expect to initiate at least four Phase 2/3 studies in 2022. So I think, depending on how the feedback plays out from the FDA, and how those studies end up, when they end up running, that will certainly drive a lot of the impact going forward.

Matthew Gline

Analyst

Geoff, I think we’ll be able, as we initiate clinical programs, we’ll be able to give you a sense for what we expected to cost and how long we expect them to stay.

Geoffrey Porges

Analyst

Okay, thanks, I appreciate it.

Matthew Gline

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Dennis Ding from Jefferies. Your line is open.

Dennis Ding

Analyst

Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking the question. I guess I have two questions. Number one, can you please help frame for investors how to think about or even value some of your past BDs and non-therapeutics, particularly like Silicone Therapeutics, Lokavant? Can you just provide some clarity on like, how does exposure in these areas contribute to Roivant’s overall story particularly over the long term? And then as a follow up, can you just comment on the internal bar or criteria that you guys use when considering building out additional grants? And, are there any interesting areas or technologies that you guys are seeing right now? Thank you very much.

Matthew Gline

Analyst

Yes. Thanks, Dennis. I appreciate the questions, they are both really good questions. So on the first one, on the sort of non-therapeutic investment, I would say, there’s probably two different categories there. There’s you mentioned Lokavant, and I put Datavant in the category of tools that we have built to make us better at developing new drugs, and they help us design development strategies better or help us run trials better and that we have made commercially available to other partners. So I think, both of those tools get directly at our ability to be faster and more effective at drug development than we would be without them. And so there’s a sort of direct strategic benefit from them. But I would also just highlight that the outcome with databank is, I think, pretty good indication of our ability to also generate financial value in those opportunities. So, we had put about, I think, $42 million of cash into Datavant in the merger with Ciox, we took $320 million of cash out. And we still own, at the assumed $7 billion value to 12% of the company. And I think I sit on that board, and we are focused on maximizing the value of that continuing to get the treated benefit from it. I think it’s a pretty good example of what we’re shooting for in sort of the tools area or we can build tools that make us better and also generate financial value. And, on the Silicon Therapeutic side, it’s a little bit different, in the sense that that got to be one of the core pillars of our drug discovery efforts. And we get to our ability to discover and design really engineering new small molecule like drugs in a differentiated way. And there I’d say…

Dennis Ding

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Nina [indiscernible]. Your line is open.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Hi, this is Dina on for Nina. Thanks for taking my question. I just had a quick question about Aruvant and what is the current manufacturing turnaround time and is there’ any additional optimization ongoing on that front? Thank you.

Matthew Gline

Analyst

Yes, so we are continuously optimizing our process there and it’s an important part of any gene therapy development. We are in the process of tech transfer over to Lonza as a commercial CDMO and are looking to do our best to incorporate that into our pivotal program. So it’s an incredibly important area for us. Frank, I don’t think anything you would add to that?

Frank Torti

Analyst

I think it’s well said, Matt. We view it as a place for continued iteration and improvement up to a point and then obviously, we want to lock it before we launch the pivotal program. And I do think that COGS has been an issue for some gene therapies, in the past, and we’re focused on, not just the clinical performance, but the overall product profile that we can deliver there, including the cost of that product to deliver what we think will be, potentially curative efficacy for a broad array of patients with much improved side effect profile. So that’s where we’re headed at present.

Matthew Gline

Analyst

Thank you. I appreciate the questions.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Yes, thank you.

Operator

Operator

There’s no further question at this time. You may continue.

Matthew Gline

Analyst

Great. Well, thank you everybody for joining this morning. As I said, it’s exciting to do our first earnings call as a public company. I’ve enjoyed it. I’m looking forward to doing more of these and continuing to provide updates in our business, at conferences and other forums. So thank you again. I appreciate all the good questions and looking forward to speak to everyone soon.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today’s conference call. Thank you all for joining. You may now disconnect.