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Roivant Sciences Ltd. (ROIV)

Q2 2022 Earnings Call· Mon, Nov 14, 2022

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Operator

Operator

Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Roivant 2Q 2022 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions]. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Jeffrey Kalmus, Head of Strategic Finance. Please go ahead.

Jeffrey Kalmus

Analyst

Good morning, and thank you for joining today's call to discuss Roivant's financial results for the quarter ended September 30, 2022. Presenting today, we have Matt Gline, our Chief Executive Officer. For those dialing in via conference call you can find the slides being presented today as well as the press release announcing these updates on our IR website at www.investor.roivant.com. We'll also be providing the current slide numbers as we present to help you follow along. I would like to remind you that we'll be making certain forward-looking statements during today's presentation that reflect our current views and expectations, including those related to our financial performance and the potential attributes of our products and product candidates. We strongly encourage you to review the information that we filed with the SEC, including the earnings release and Form 10-Q filed this morning for more information regarding these forward-looking statements and related risks and uncertainties. We'll begin with Matt Gline, who will review key business updates across Roivant's events, and provide a financial update. We'll end the call with a Q&A session. And with that, I'll turn it over to Matt.

Matt Gline

Analyst

Thank you, Jeff, and thank you, everybody, for joining this morning. It's been a really impactful quarter for us and I'm excited to share some updates both from the quarter and more recent. Some of these updates we already shared last week as a consequence of the financing that we did, and some of them are new. And as I said, I look forward to sharing everything. So we're going to cover a few topics. Notably, I'm going to start with a discussion on the launch of VTAMA and then we'll go through some clinical updates and some other updates around the business as well as the financial update at the end. So I'm going to start on Slide 6 with just a -- an update on the VTAMA launch. And really a reminder, we are really, really pleased with how this launch is going. So you can see the script data here, including for the quarter itself as well as for the more recent periods, And we continue to see great growth in scripts and we're very pleased with it. We'll talk a little bit more about the revenue, but also excited to announce that we did $5 million in net product revenue for the quarter ending September 30, which is a 12% net yield, which given that all occurred prior to the signing of our PBM contract, again sort of a testament to the quality of our script to the number of docs who are willing to go through the prior authorization process. So on Slide 7, one of the most important updates here is we have our first major PBM/payer contract signed. We indicated that would be coming before the end of the year, and we're very pleased that it was effective as of October 1. We…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. Our first question comes from David Risinger with SVB Securities. Your line is now open.

David Risinger

Analyst

Thanks very much and congrats, Matt, to you and your team on all the progress. So I wanted to focus on the good news on VTAMA and just better understand the contracting. So could you provide more color on what percentage of lives are actually covered immediately with your PBM contract and what percentage required downstream contracting with employers to achieve paid for drug? And to follow-on, what would the timing be for that secondary contracting? And then, separately, could you also discuss your pursuit of health plan coverage in addition to PBM coverage and how you're thinking about opportunities there? Thanks very much.

Matt Gline

Analyst

Yes. Thanks, Dave. Appreciate the question and appreciate your listening and obviously this is -- look, this is top of mind for us in terms of our overall strategy at this point on the VTAMA launch. So first of all, I think what most companies would say about this PBM contract is that the PBM covers about 30% of commercial lives. David, you and I have talked a fair amount about this. We've been a little bit more nuanced than how we describe this process, the PBMs have custom -- have national formularies and many lives are covered by that national formulary. And so we'll get access to a decent number. We haven't said exactly which, because it would sort of reveal a little bit more about which PBM we signed the contract with, but a decent number of lives kind of immediately on the back of this contract. But also this now gives us a template for all of the downstream customers of that PBM, that even for the ones that have their own custom formularies they now have sort of a template. They understand the commercial picture; they understand the value judgment that this PBM placed on the product, and we're sort of confident in looking forward to continuing to sort of build into that. This is true for all launches. Once you get the PBM contract, you then kind of work your way through the customers of the PBM. We've said probably three months to six months to hit the tail of what that looks like. But I think you can expect lives sort of covered under this PBM sort of turning on for coverage over that period as we continue to work our way through those customers. Notably, I'd say you mentioned employers specifically. I'd say employers are probably less likely than some other payers to have custom formularies of their own. And so it is just going to vary by sort of which specific type of plan it is. And we're sort of every bit is focused on every covered live that we can get our hands on. So in terms of PBMs, which are obviously the overall keys to the process and then the health plans and the employers, I think we're sort of -- we focus on all these things. We probably will not provide specific updates as we get contracts with downstream customers of the PBM. We may comment on it a little bit, but it's just sort of at this point to us kind of routine from here as far as sort of continuing to build into these downstream plans.

Operator

Operator

Please standby for our next question. Our next question comes from Brian Cheng with JPMorgan. Your line is now open.

Brian Cheng

Analyst · JPMorgan. Your line is now open.

Hey Matt and team, thanks for taking my question and congrats on the progress. My first question is on VTAMA. With your first PBM contract in place, can you walk us through the process perhaps from getting the script at the doctor's office to getting the VTAMA in hand? And how much read through is there from the PA step that we see here from for only prior steroid use from the first major PBM contract to other PBM discussions that are ongoing? And then I have a follow-up. Thank you.

Matt Gline

Analyst · JPMorgan. Your line is now open.

Yes. Thanks, Brian. Thank you for listening. Thank you for joining and excited to have you on the call. So welcome to the Group here. I think it's a great question. So first of all, I think it's an important point. The patient experience from having a PBM contract in terms of like timeline and process actually isn't that different thanks to the copay card program that we had in place originally. So patient gets a prescription from the doctor. Many of these docs work with independent retail pharmacies. And so the doc gets the drug -- the prescription over to the pharmacy, the pharmacy works with the patient to get the drug fulfilled. Prior to the contract, patients who weren't covered would then pay a $75 co-pay because of the VTAMA card, the rest would be covered by the co-pay card. And now those same patients if they're covered by this PBM contract or by any other coverage that we obtain, would pay a $0 co-pay because that's sort of the design of our co-pay card. But again, we would then get coverage from the payer or the insurance company. So that's kind of the sort of process for a patient to get script filled. And we think it's a good straightforward process. I think in terms of the template here, I think this was a perfect outcome from a coverage perspective, from my perspective; it gives us everything we need. It gives us access to the patients we're really seeking, which are the patients who are on steroids now. It's what we said from the beginning that's 90% of psoriasis patients. So it's over. We feel really good about the template there. I will say as far as health plans are concerned, as far as sort of duplicating this model across other PBMs across health plans, given the script volume, as you can imagine, we have a ton of inbound interest from health plans and from -- and active discussion with all the major PBMs on getting the product covered. And that discussion is very constructive given where we are in a volume perspective. I think you said you had a follow-up question.

Brian Cheng

Analyst · JPMorgan. Your line is now open.

Okay. And then maybe just one on SLE since we're going to get top line data from the Phase 2 trials for SLE in the second half next year. Can you remind us what you want to see in terms of the primary endpoint with SLE for that you need to see in Phase 2 to be deemed as success in the trial? And maybe just if I can squeeze in one more, we noticed that you -- that there was a workforce reduction that was announced over the weekend. Just curious if you can provide a little bit more color how -- whether that has any impact on this program. Thank you.

Matt Gline

Analyst · JPMorgan. Your line is now open.

Yes, thanks. So on the SLE question, we haven't given the numerical bar, we'll continue to talk more about what we expect out of that study over the course of next years, the data becomes closer. I'll just say we have a high bar for what we want to achieve there. We think the agent is a powerful agent and we think the biology of the dual inhibition should be relevant specifically to SLE disease biology. So we feel really good. We'd want to see excellent data on SLE forward. We want to see meaningful improvement on key secondaries. I said we'll sort of talk a little bit more about how we think about those scales as we get closer. I think we have evidence from other JAK1s and evidence from other TYK2s on what they've done in SLE, and we think we have a possibility of being more impactful than either of those agents on their own because of the biology here. So kind of looking out for that. On the question of the risks, look, these are always tough decisions and they impact people's lives. So I don't want to sort of -- I want to be a little bit careful, but I think in general the answer is we don't expect any meaningful impact on any of our sort of major programs or any of our key projects. Nothing that we've talked about on this call should be affected at all by this. We’re focused on G&A efficiency. We’re focused on sort of taking the most benefit we could from the model. We’re focused on making sure that our early-stage programs were really focused on the most important impactful that work. And so I'd say that's kind of where we went there. And as you saw on the endpoint articles, about 12% of overall staff, so not something that we expect to have a meaningful business impact.

Operator

Operator

Please standby for our next question. Our next question comes from Corinne Jenkins with Goldman Sachs. Your line is now open.

Corinne Jenkins

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is now open.

Yes. Good morning, guys. So I guess the -- looks like the effective date for this payer contract went into effect in Octo -- early October. So I'm just curious what portion of scripts written today are being written for patients that are under that recently disclosed coverage agreement. And can you just give us a little bit of color on what the process looks for that patient population?

Matt Gline

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is now open.

Yes. Thanks, Corinne and thanks for -- thanks for joining the call and obviously thanks for all your coverage. So I -- we haven't given a specific sort of guidance for what percentage of our scripts are covered by this specific contract, referring to the answer to Dave's question earlier, in terms of the way these generally work. This PBM covers about 30% of covered lives altogether. And we expect kind of percolate through those covered lives, starting with the bulk of them that we -- the big chunk of them that we have now sort of percolating down through what we call a three to six month period. So I'd expect to see continued sort of development. And I think as we get more payer contracts they'll accelerate, but I think you can expect to see kind of resulting improvement in GTN starting in the current quarter, starting in the quarter that we'll announce the December 31 quarter because the contract was effective October 31. But it will take some time for all this to percolate through and to really sort of reach steady state.

Corinne Jenkins

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is now open.

Great. Thanks. And then you mentioned interest in additional in-licensing opportunities. How should we think about the appropriate cadence for in-licensing deals for you all? And then what do you think about as your priorities for the kind of assets you'd be excited to bring in-house?

Matt Gline

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is now open.

You think it's a great question. I think with one of the reasons that we're focused on making sure our runway is long is because this is a great market to be in a strong capital position. There are some really amazing opportunities available to companies like us. We're really focused on high quality programs that can be impactful in the near and medium-term. I think if we -- we said before, kind of one to two of those a year, we as brepocitinib earlier this year, I wouldn't expect any sort of major change in cadence there other than the -- in the current capital environment, the bar is really high and we want to do things that we can be very capital efficient in executing. And in terms of what we're looking for, we remain pretty open from a therapeutic area perspective, but we're looking for things where we think we're going to be able to do an important job developing the drug or a differentially -- a good job developing the drug. And we're looking for things that are at the moment kind of mostly later-stage things that can add to the sort of bulk of our late-stage portfolio while sort of fitting within our financial goals.

Operator

Operator

Please standby for our next question. Our next question comes from Robyn Karnauskas with Truist. Your line is now open.

Alexander Xenakis

Analyst · Truist. Your line is now open.

Hi, congrats on the quarter. This is Alex for Robyn. We wanted to know, as you continue discussions with physicians and payers have -- there's a lot of positive feedback, looks great, the launch looks very positive. Have you received any pushback or any details to the discussions that might change how you view or approach the launch strategy? And then also for 1402, seems like this is a very sizable opportunity there. We're really excited. How do you think about prioritizing which indications we pursue initially and then the cadence and going into different indications thereafter. Thanks.

Matt Gline

Analyst · Truist. Your line is now open.

Yes. Thanks, Alex. Appreciate it. Appreciate the question. Appreciate your listening. On the VTAMA question, look, obviously we are constantly taking feedback from docs and from our payer conversations and so on, and making sure that we're tailoring all of our messaging and tailoring our launch plans to that feedback. In terms of pushback, honestly, I think the interest we have not gotten very much here. I think the drug has been extremely well received. You heard it in our KOL panel. I think you hear it in your own doc calls. I think patients are just excited and doctors are excited to have a new topical option that that really candidly works and works without many of the liabilities that that steroids are widely interested to have. So I'd say no meaningful pushback. But obviously, we're sort of constantly adjusting and reacting and even you think about this PBM contract, obviously we had a bar that we had set for what we hope the quality of coverage would look like. I think this PBM contract represents extremely high quality coverage that's going to work for patients and docs. And I think we're learning every day as we sort of see the patient and docs experience and as we see the quality of what payers are willing to do given the sort of meaningful impact of the project. Yes. So on 1402, I think, look, our plan for 1402 which you said a few times is to focus on indications where look like deep and sustained IgG suppression helpful. So chronic administration and in diseases where we think the LDL or the albumin impact might be more material to patients. So you think broader market diseases, think chronic diseases. So I think that's kind of the sort of general framework. We'll get more specific with it as we progress. And then we think 1402 batoclimab fit really nicely together because both can achieve sort of deepest possible best-in-class suppressions of IgGs. And so we can kind of go after any indication with either and expect to be able to deliver comparable or better efficacy to any of our competitors. And so we can really sort of tailor dosing strategy and indication selection by program in a comfortable way. So feeling really good about that portfolio as well.

Operator

Operator

Please standby for our next question. Our next question comes from Yaron Werber with Cowen. Your line is now open.

Brendan Smith

Analyst · Cowen. Your line is now open.

Hi guys, this is Brendan on for Yaron. Thanks very much for taking the questions. Congrats on that update. Just a couple quick ones from us. First on VTAMA, obviously, more PBM impaired discussions is a big focus here as you guys have all kind of outlined. But maybe also -- I also just wanted to ask from a broader commercial competitive dynamics standpoint, I mean, what are the next steps you're all focusing on to the launch, maybe beyond payer coverage, just in terms of getting it in patient, physician hands a little bit earlier if relative to competitors. And then, just a quick one for the FcRn franchise. Can you just remind us if you need to or plan to run kind of a more traditional big Phase 1 study, Phase 2 with 1402 before moving into pivotal studies, or would you be able to move more or less directly into some of these larger registrational studies? Thanks.

Matt Gline

Analyst · Cowen. Your line is now open.

Yes. Thanks. Appreciate the question and thanks for listening. I'll take the second question first because it's an easy answer, which is we believe that our sort of our plans Phase 1 is that we'll get initial data from the middle of next year will be sufficient together with the data that we have on IgG suppression to go right into pivotal studies. So we think there's a clear path to go straight from sort of the planned Phase 1 into pivotal studies. And I think what we said is sort of six months after that data, we should be able to be in a pivotal study, which is really, again, sort of unique and interesting about the FcRn class, given the quality of IgG as a clinical biomarker. So I like the first question a lot because to be honest to me, given the quality of the early payer contracts, we feel really, really good about where we are from a coverage perspective. And then if you just think about that slide that I had up earlier about the fact that we're just getting started and sort of the depth of these markets, I think the next question is, 4,000 scripts a week is great and we feel really happy about it. How do we get to 40,000 scripts a week? And that obviously requires continuing to work on changing prescriber behavior, continuing to educate patients on what VTAMA has to offer that is completely different than what they've been able to get historically with topical steroids. So with a lot of different plans for that, obviously DTC is a component of that, but we've started to deploy in a very targeted way. And we'll continue to ramp that up as sort of payer coverage sort of matches it,…

Operator

Operator

Please standby for our next question. Our next question comes from Louise Chen with Cantor. Your line is now open.

Louise Chen

Analyst · Cantor. Your line is now open.

Hi, congrats on all the progress this quarter and thanks for taking my questions. I had a few for you. First one I wanted to ask you about was how do you think about pricing for your first and second generation anti-FcRn? Will this be a competitive advantage for you? And then, secondly, the opportunity for Priovant in SLE and also DM and how the economics work with Pfizer. And then, last question I had for you is how are you thinking about or framing the AD data readout in 2023, especially in light of what we saw with Japan Tobacco and then say versus OPZELURA and prior Phase 2 data you've shown. Thank you.

Matt Gline

Analyst · Cantor. Your line is now open.

Yes. Thanks, Louise. Thank you for listening and thanks for taking for the great questions, all three of them. So starting on FcRn, it's probably premature to come either batoclimab or 1402 specifically, but I'll just say it sort of has to be a competitive advantage to have both drugs available in terms of being able to think about price point to being able to think about other commercial levers that that sort of deploy a franchise strategy across the two program. So I'd say, premature to have a specific comment on price for one or the other, but definitely has to be an advantage to have the franchise for all -- for that and all the other reasons that I've shared. On DM and SLE for Brepo, we've given a little bit of guidance on the size of the DM population. I think we've given a little bit of information on the size of the SLE population, although I think that's obviously a very well understood population at this point. These are huge commercial markets where success in either of them on its own would be sort of a comfortable blockbuster product in our view. And obviously across the two of them, just a huge opportunity and there's obviously room to go beyond those with brepocitinib in other indications as well. So yes, a very large commercial opportunity. From an economic perspective with Pfizer, we have effectively U.S. and Japan as our focus. We pay Pfizer sort of relatively modest royalty. I think what we've said publicly is sort of high-single-digit, low-double-digit tier royalties. And we pay them that on our territories. They pay us that on their territories. And then Pfizer owns 25% of Priovant as well. And then, so you asked about how we were thinking about…

Operator

Operator

Please standby for our next question. Our next question comes from Neena Bitritto-Garg with Citi. Your line is now open.

Neena Bitritto-Garg

Analyst

Hey guys, thanks for taking my question. Just on the last question on atopic dermatitis, I'm just curious what you're hearing from dermatologists and physicians that are prescribing to thereof [ph] currently about their desire to prescribe it for atopic dermatitis and whether or not they have actually tried that. And then also regarding the LNP patent update just wondering if there's any potential next steps that Moderna could take to actually try and push the motion to dismiss -- the partial motion to dismiss again, or if you are confident that there really is no other recourse that they can take at this point. Thanks.

Matt Gline

Analyst

Yes. Thanks. Thanks, Neena. Thanks for the questions and thanks for listening. On the AD study, in terms of physician feedback and I -- we don't get specific evidence of off-label prescriptions and things like that, so we don't sort of have a specific view on sort of how it's being used, but we get a ton of prescriber enthusiasm for the drug and we hear a lot of enthusiasm for it, not just in psoriasis, but in AD and in other settings. For starters, we have a ton of enthusiasm from the investigators in our AD study who are using the drug actively as a part of trial process and who are clearly sort of super enthusiastic for what comes next. So I think from that perspective, enrollments on schedule, I feel like we have the sort of promise there. And as a reminder, our Phase 2b data, we have 49% sort of IGA clear, almost clearer and a two greater improvement at week eight compared to 13% on vehicles. So a really meaningful opportunity there in our Phase 2b study. And yes, great feedback from our Phase 2b investigators on that study as well. So on the LNP question, the Judge ordered Moderna to file an answer by November 16, the original complaint. And we expect that they will file an answer. They've asked for a modest extension, which attorney granted. So we feel pretty confident that that we'll hear back from them and then we'll be able to move on, as I said, to the discovery phase in the process.

Operator

Operator

Please standby for our next question. Our next question comes from Douglas Tsao with H.C. Wainwright. Your line is now open.

Douglas Tsao

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright. Your line is now open.

Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking the questions. Just Matt, in terms of -- and congrats on the progress and in terms of the PBM contract, at what point do you think operationally we should see that reflected in terms of the script volume trend, presumably as it gets easier for patients or for docs to write it, they'll be more inclined to do so, or do you think one contract isn't enough and that we need to wait a little bit before that becomes a real driver of volume? Thank you.

Matt Gline

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright. Your line is now open.

Yes. Thanks, Doug. Appreciate the question and yes, appreciate you are listening. So I think but there's a lot of different things sort of conspiring towards the quality of our script volume trajectory in with VTAMA. I'd say easiest payer coverage is one of those things. I think that the copay card has helped in simplifying that process even before we had the contract in place. I think the contract will help too. And I think as docs have confidence that their patients will have a good coverage experience. You can see scripts build. To be honest, again, I think the high prescribing docs already have a lot of that conviction just because of the way we handled the early commercial launch. But I think coverage will certainly help continue build that out. I think you will continue to see scripts building over the coming months and quarters and that's important. I'd say we expect to see some stair step of prescriptions over time for a variety of reasons. coverage is one of them. The holidays obviously affect prescriber behavior. There's some seasonality that there's some of these populations. So I'd say it may not be kind of literally linear from a true volume perspective, but I do think all of these things are going to add up to consistently growing demand once you take sort of one step back from the week on week numbers. And again, we feel really good about what the contract lets us do there and what the market is sort of guiding us towards at this point from a -- from an enthusiasm perspective.

Douglas Tsao

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright. Your line is now open.

Okay. Great. And then Matt, as a follow-up, I'm just curious, have you given thought about how the IRA might affect your development of certain assets? Because that's certainly something that we've started to hear from companies and certainly sort of rationalizing some of the opportunities that they were planning to pursue just given the potential impact. Thank you.

Matt Gline

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright. Your line is now open.

Yes. Thanks. It's a great question. Sort of obviously look, we like the rest of the industry are watching really closely as this evolves and it's already factored into how we think about allocation of capital across the portfolio. So you can see, we think differently about molecules than we used to think. We sort of think differently in general about specific programs. We are obviously compared to some of our bigger peers less impacted in the near-term than some of them might be. And so we've got a little bit more time to kind of watch and learn. And it's just -- it's a pretty rapidly evolving situation, but absolutely affects our capital decisions today.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. Please standby for our next question. Our next question comes from Dennis Ding with Jefferies. Your line is now open.

Yuchen Ding

Analyst · Jefferies. Your line is now open.

Hi, thanks. This is Yuchen with Jefferies. Two questions on our end. The first on EU launch and efforts, could you just tell us where you are and when you would expect any updates on the EU process and what commercial preparations you have made in advance of the approval? And on the second question on the mRNA patent litigation, it's nice to hear the judge deny Moderna on the motion to dismiss. But factually, what are the next steps here and what specific dates do we need to know and when do you expect us to move to discovery?

Matt Gline

Analyst · Jefferies. Your line is now open.

Yes. Thanks. Both good questions. So on EU for VTAMA, we don't have a new update to provide right now. We continue to work towards that opportunity and to think about different approaches for commercializing in Europe. It's obviously a big commercial market, especially given the number of patients. So we'll provide an update when we have one that's more specific, but I don't have a specific date or timeline to provide today. And then on -- and just as a reminder, by the way, the Japanese program is now on a path to approval after the positive study there. So and we'll get some commercial economics from the launch in Japan. As far as the Moderna question is concerned, I said sort of in November we expect Moderna’s overall response and can we expect to move into discovery kind of just after. So I think you can expect there'll be a calendar set for discovery that'll be the subject of some discussion with the judge. And perhaps once that calendar set will be able to provide a little bit more of an update, whether that's sort of end of this year or early next year or something like that on timing. But I'd expect the discovery process will take some time and perhaps more updates kind of over the course of next year as that progresses.

Operator

Operator

Please standby for our next question. And our next question comes from Dennis Ding with Jefferies.

Matt Gline

Analyst · Jefferies.

I think that was our prior question.

Operator

Operator

One moment, please. I am showing no further questions. I would now like to turn the conference back to Matthew Gline for closing remarks.

Matt Gline

Analyst

Thank you very much. Thank you for the operator. Thank you to everyone who worked to get us through a pretty impactful, important quarter and thank you everyone for listening this morning. Look forward to continuing to provide updates at upcoming investor conferences and with our next quarter. And yes, everyone have a great day. Thank you so much.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.