I think, David, somewhere in the middle. I think there's line of sight on some of -- on several of the items here, where there's some, I'll just say, some definition to timelines. Coal retirements is a good example where your -- those retirement timelines, I think, are well understood. We've got the roughly the almost 1 to 1.8 Bs of retirements by 2030. Reality is, there's a significant portion of that that's going to be within the next 12 months to 24 months. And again, we think those are pretty well understood. When you start to think about AI, data centers, Homer City, the Liberty project, those are both targeting a 2027-type time frame. Projects that follow, again, if they have an advantaged location, much like we're seeing could be supported through the Sites Act with the state. You could see those have a similar timeline, maybe even a little bit further out. So by the time you get to the end of this time frame, we think this is a lot of ways, it could be conservative, but it's also a very realistic outlook, much like other numbers you've seen us communicate in the past. And of course, from a takeaway transport standpoint, I think part of this is what you see is the further expansion of MVP, I think there's a line of sight there as well. And then you're starting to see some brownfield expansion opportunities through, we'll just say, construction of expansions of interconnects to compression where that could actually add somewhere between half of B and a B. So there's I will say, good confidence in what these numbers represent. I think you're seeing what could happen pretty easily within the next 2 years to 5 years. And so we think there's a really good line of sight here, David.