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Sunrun Inc. (RUN)

Q3 2025 Earnings Call· Thu, Nov 6, 2025

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Operator

Operator

Good afternoon, and welcome to Sunrun's Third Quarter Earnings Conference Call. Please note that this call is being recorded and that 1 hour has been allocated for the call, including the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] I will now turn the call over to your host, Patrick Jobin, Sunrun's Investor Relations Officer. Thank you. You may begin.

Patrick Jobin

Analyst

Thank you, operator. Before we begin, please note that certain remarks we will make on this call constitute forward-looking statements. Although we believe these statements reflect our best judgment based on factors currently known to us, actual results may differ materially and adversely. Please refer to the company's filings with the SEC for a more inclusive discussion of risks and other factors that may cause our actual results to differ from projections made in any forward-looking statements. Please also note these statements are being made as of today, and we disclaim any obligation to update or revise them. Please note that during this earnings call, we may refer to certain non-GAAP measures, including cash generation and aggregate creation costs, which are not measures prepared in accordance with U.S. GAAP. The non-GAAP measures are being presented because we believe they provide investors with a means of evaluating and understanding how the company's management evaluates the company's operating performance. Reconciliation of these measures can be found in our earnings press release and other investor materials available on the company's Investor Relations website. These non-GAAP measures should not be considered in isolation from, as substitutes for or superior to financial measures prepared in accordance with U.S. GAAP. On the call today are Mary Powell, Sunrun's CEO; Danny Abajian, Sunrun's CFO; Paul Dickson, Sunrun's President and Chief Revenue Officer. The presentation is available on Sunrun's Investor Relations website along with supplemental materials. An audio replay of today's call, along with a copy of today's prepared remarks and transcript, including Q&A, will be posted to Sunrun's Investor Relations website shortly after the call. And now let me turn the call over to Mary.

Mary Powell

Analyst

Thank you, Patrick, and thank all of you for joining us today. Our strategic focus on providing Americans a way to achieve energy independence is yielding strong results. We are generating cash while growing our customer base. We are continuing to lead the industry with superior energy offerings for homeowners, allowing them to power through grid outages and protect their households from rising energy costs. As demand is growing at the most rapid rate since World War II, fueled in large part by AI computing demand, we are also building critical energy infrastructure the country needs. We generated $1.6 billion in top line aggregate subscriber value at the top end of our guidance range, growing 10% year-over-year. Contracted net value creation was $279 million, growing 35% year-over-year. We generated strong profitability through our market-leading position in storage offerings while also driving significant cost efficiencies and performance improvements across the business. We reported a solid upfront net subscriber value of over $3,500, a 5-point margin improvement compared to the prior year and representing a 7% margin on contracted subscriber value. In the quarter, we generated $108 million in cash, our sixth consecutive quarter of positive cash generation. Given the timing of transactions, we exceeded the high end of our cash generation guidance range for the quarter. Over the trailing 4 quarters, we have generated $224 million in cash. We are on track to meet our annual cash generation guidance and are reiterating the midpoint of our outlook at $350 million. We are producing these very strong results by remaining disciplined in how we balance margins and growth, while innovating and expanding all we provide for our customers. This strategy is yielding strong financial results while growing our base of customers and increasingly valuable energy resources for the grid. To highlight this,…

Danny Abajian

Analyst

Thank you, Mary. Turning first to the unit level results for the quarter on Slide 12. Subscriber value was approximately $52,500, an 11% increase compared to the prior year as we saw -- as we increased our storage attachment rate by 10 percentage points to 70%, grew our Flex deployments and benefited from a 42% weighted average ITC level, an increase of 5 percentage points from Q3 of last year. Subscriber value reflects a 7.3% discount rate this period. We maintained cost discipline with creation costs increasing only 4% from the prior year, a smaller increase than the 11% growth in subscriber value. Creation costs increased primarily due to higher battery hardware and associated labor costs from the storage attachment rate increase with 8% higher installation costs on a per subscriber basis versus the prior year. Providing offset, we lowered customer acquisition costs and overhead by 5% on a per subscriber basis. The higher subscriber value and lower creation costs led to a 38% year-over-year growth in net subscriber value to approximately $13,200. Turning now to aggregate results on Slide 13. These results are the average unit margin multiplied by the number of units. First, on the top line. Aggregate subscriber value was $1.6 billion in the third quarter, a 10% increase from the prior year. Aggregate creation costs were $1.2 billion, which includes all CapEx and asset origination OpEx, including overhead expenses. Excluding the expected present value from non-contracted or upside cash flows, our contracted net value creation was $279 million, a 35% increase from last year and about $1.21 per share. This level of value creation reflects a net margin of approximately 19% of aggregate contracted subscriber value. Slide 14 breaks down the unit level economics and aggregate economics on a contracted only basis, along with the main…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Brian Lee with Goldman Sachs.

Brian Lee

Analyst

I had two just kind of around the longer-term business model. First, Danny, you talked about the diversification of capital sources this quarter. Just curious what -- I mean, first, are you anticipating this to be a much bigger part of the strategy going forward? And then what are kind of the implications for P&L, cash generation as well as does this help in any way glean kind of valuation considerations for assets when you're monetizing through this channel? And then I had a follow-up.

Danny Abajian

Analyst

Yes. We expect to continue to use similar structures, perhaps if we're thinking longer term, perhaps diversify over time. But definitely in the near term, a continuation of the use of what you saw out of us in Q3. I think as far as all of the way it looks on the metrics, so the unit level key operating metrics, the aggregate value creation metrics end up looking very similar because what would typically flow through financing activity now shows up as revenue and what used to be capitalized expense can now be fully expensed in period. It will show up in the system sale gross profit section of the P&L. So there will be an increase you'll notice in that area of activity which will be overall accretive to the P&L view on a GAAP basis. So there is a partial simplification in respect of the degree of assets that go into this structure. We'll still have the consolidated tax equity activity as well alongside this. That will certainly continue as well.

Brian Lee

Analyst

Okay. Awesome. That's helpful. And then second question, maybe for Mary. The -- I noticed that the 10 gigawatt hour dispatchable capacity by the end of 2028, you pulled that forward a smidge versus prior. I think you were talking 2029 prior. So you do seem to be growing faster in that part of the business. And you've always talked about it in terms of NPV uplift. But as you're seeing a lot more breadth and scale, are there other monetization opportunities on this capacity going forward, whether it's cash flow, maybe even metrics like EBITDA getting broken out for this part of your model separately? Just trying to think big picture about what that business could ultimately look like as it grows and scale like it looks like it's targeted to do.

Mary Powell

Analyst

Yes, sure. Nice to hear from you, Brian. So no, we didn't change. I mean, we've always said by end of 2028 or early 2029 that we should be at that scale. And yes, you're absolutely right. It absolutely will tie to other forms of value creation for Sunrun. It really speaks to the long-term value we see in the customer relationship that we're developing and the recurring forms of revenue that we can have from those customers. So I feel like we're only just getting started, frankly, Brian. I mean we had 17 programs. We had sizable dispatches. And again, that really led us to call out the fact that we think our 2,000 number, 2,000 NPV is probably too conservative. So we're feeling very bullish about this opportunity as a distributed power plant provider.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Julien Dumoulin-Smith with Jefferies.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith

Analyst

Actually, let me just pick up from where Brian left that off, speaking of which. Can you speak a little bit to what you're seeing preliminarily on '26 and as much as volumetric expectations across the industry seem to be recovering somewhat. And I'd certainly love to hear how you think not just on '26, but even beyond that in '27 as this new paradigm of TPOs evolves?

Mary Powell

Analyst

Yes. So great to hear from you, Julien. As you know, Julien, we are not guiding the volume. We are very much focused on creating -- focused on margin, creating cash generation, and creating really sustainable, long profitable relationships with our customers while we're building on the nation's largest distributed power plant that will also have lots of value for years to come. So that is our focus. At the same time, as I think we've said, for 2025, we expect to be sort of flat to growing slightly. We see 2026 as another year to continue to do what we're doing, which is focus on margins, focus on cash, focus on providing an amazing customer experience and programs that build out our distributed power plant capabilities. The reality is like the volume is there, and Sunrun is continuing to be very diligent and I would say, vigilant in how we go after that volume to make sure that we are creating the best experience for customers and the best margin profile for Sunrun.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith

Analyst

Excellent. And if I can follow that up, I mean, the core question I wanted to get at here is prepaid leases. I'd love to get your perspective here. It's certainly generating a lot of sector interest, admittedly seems somewhat complementary to what you offer here already. And obviously, you all have something of an offering in this end market already. But how do you see that product offering evolving both for yourselves and across the competitive landscape in '26 and especially in '27 because I imagine this could very well take some time to get off the ground wherever it's going.

Paul Dickson

Analyst

Yes, great question. I think you ended with my first point. I think it will take a little bit of time to get off the ground and going. Raising the capital for it at scale, I think, will be a constraint for those new entrants. But when I look at what they're trying to accomplish, they essentially had their business model go away. So they're trying to figure out how to play in our business model without being able to play in our business model, a direct TPO. So they go through some creative gymnastics to basically finance with a loan, a TPO lease type construct. And so we view it as a more complicated and slightly more confusing consumer offering without advantages.

Mary Powell

Analyst

And we did look at it a couple of years ago and decided not to pursue it for all of those reasons, Julie.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith

Analyst

Do you see this as a meaningful competitor though or alternative, just to clarify?

Paul Dickson

Analyst

You broke up a little. Can you say that again?

Julien Dumoulin-Smith

Analyst

Do you see it as a meaningful alternative or competitor to your own product offerings as it stands today?

Paul Dickson

Analyst

Yes. I think we'll see a good portion of the TPO market share transition to that product. I think there's markets where our product is not as well suited and/or it's a market demographic that we aren't chasing. So I think it's easier for people to raise that type of capital at small scale and service the long tail. And as you know, our core business model is not focused around servicing several hundred small dealers around our core internal sales routes that we believe are differentiated and a few key core partners that are aligned with our strategy.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Ameet Thakkar with BMO Capital Markets.

Ameet Thakkar

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets.

I just -- I appreciate that, I guess, asset monetization is going to be kind of, I guess, a third pillar for the capital raising going forward. But just to kind of clarify, the $115 million of sales this quarter, if we use your definition for cash generation in the second quarter -- would cash generation have been negative for Q3?

Danny Abajian

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets.

If you were to assume we did not consume our other available capital for the same assets, then yes. But the alternative to that structure would have been to draw capital and consume capital from our traditional structure. So I would say this was very much additive and complementary to our sources of financing. But we don't think we would have seen an impact because we would have placed these assets into more traditional structures that we've done in the past. that would have replaced this capital.

Ameet Thakkar

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets.

Okay. So it's just the definitional change, it would have still fallen in one of the other buckets, but you guys just kind of felt like the need to kind of change the definition to reflect that this is a new bucket that wasn't contemplated before.

Danny Abajian

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets.

Think of it as we have more available sources of diverse capital than we did before that generate kind of -- that generates similar bottom line results on cash generation.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Colin Rusch with Oppenheimer.

Colin Rusch

Analyst · Oppenheimer.

I want to follow up on one of Brian's questions. In terms of the monetization of the storage assets, can you talk about the relative value for portfolios that are a little bit higher density from a geographic perspective versus ones that are a little bit more spread out? Is there a delta between some of those territories?

Paul Dickson

Analyst · Oppenheimer.

You're talking about the battery assets that we have enrolling them in grid service contracts?

Colin Rusch

Analyst · Oppenheimer.

Yes. Exactly. Yes.

Paul Dickson

Analyst · Oppenheimer.

Yes. I think what we're seeing right now in the that we're enrolled in is largely people taking kind of a portfolio view and giving a blended price for access to those assets rather than customization based off of density or grid congestion, whatever that may be. I think as these programs mature, we're actually ironically talking about this just recently. I think you will see some price differentiation on well-placed assets over time.

Colin Rusch

Analyst · Oppenheimer.

Okay. Great. And then looking into next year, I know you're not guiding, but in terms of some of the supply chain elements and your ability to source at advantaged prices, you guys have talked about some of your purchasing power over time. Are you starting to see some real leverage from some of that purchasing power as you get into next year and you see some of the demand start to fall away for certain elements of the hardware side?

Danny Abajian

Analyst · Oppenheimer.

Yes. It's an interesting question. If you're thinking about the overall market supply/demand in relation to 25D, I would say that part has yet to play out, and we really have to see how that goes. There are different dynamics across parts of the supply chain. General trend and theme is onshoring of what wasn't previously onshore manufacturing, and that is enabling much more domestic content value to unlock through the bonus ITC adder than the modest cost increases we're seeing. But we are seeing some cost increases. I think generally known in the industry, I would say, most significantly on module pricing as that onshores, we're expecting and anticipating those effects, but we also expect and anticipate them to be net value accretive from a bonus ITC qualification standpoint. But I think as we continue to observe trends, we'll be able to say more. There is a moment of change in the industry that we have to get lived through to understand how that plays out on the other end for '26.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Vikram Bagri with Citi.

Vikram Bagri

Analyst · Citi.

I wanted to start with housekeeping questions on margins first. G&A came in lower than we expected. Where do you see it going forward on a per watt or a per customer basis? And related to that, the platform services margin was impressive this quarter. I was wondering what drove that? Was it pull forward of demand? Was it more storage installs? And is this a new normal going forward? Then I have a follow-up.

Danny Abajian

Analyst · Citi.

Which metric in particular was the first part of your question? I just didn't hear that.

Vikram Bagri

Analyst · Citi.

G&A.

Danny Abajian

Analyst · Citi.

The G&A per customer.

Vikram Bagri

Analyst · Citi.

The G&A overall per customer or per watt basis, it came in at $0.27 a watt. This is 3 or 4 quarters of decline for you on a per watt basis with except 1 quarter. I was wondering where do you see this going? Historically, this number has been under $0.20 a watt. Are you on track to going to that level going forward? Where do you see this G&A expense going forward on a per watt basis?

Danny Abajian

Analyst · Citi.

Yes. I wouldn't -- I think we are oriented to think of that more on a dollar per unit basis. And we've been hovering in the high $1,000 to $2,000 for several quarters. We have across that time period been increasing top line unit value. So G&A, though on a per customer basis has trended flat on a percent of customer value basis, just like you'll see on sales and marketing spend has been falling. And that's how we're getting that margin expansion. In the current quarter, G&A per customer fell a little bit about $300 a customer from the prior quarter. And that is operating cost leverage as we build more volume in Q3 going into the seasonal peak. That will move around a little bit through the 4 quarters of the year. But we expect it to stay in a similar range.

Vikram Bagri

Analyst · Citi.

Got it. And I'm going to ask the other two questions in one go. The platform services margin was impressive. I was wondering what drove that? And then, Danny, if you can talk about the puts and takes for the securitization spread of 240 basis points. This has been persistently at that level for a while now. When you look out on the next 12 months, what are some of the puts and takes for this -- for the securitization spread?

Danny Abajian

Analyst · Citi.

Great. I'll hit the first part. On the margin expansion, I think it's just a continuation of the prior story, say, again, we got good operating cost leverage, volume growth, seasonal peak. If you look year-over-year, we're seeing the dynamics we mentioned around storage attachment rate going up. The level of ITC adder qualification going up, interest rates holding reasonably steady. And as we generate higher-value systems, though we are seeing the costs associated with the storage attach, so the extra materials and installed labor costs are flowing through the creation cost stack, but we're generating several points more value north of that, and you're getting the margin expansion. So it's just in line with the focus of picking the right go-to-market strategy with the right product offering. As you heard in the lead-in from Mary, Massachusetts, you had a tremendous increase in the storage attach rate. That is a contributor. We see that in one market. We action it, and we see the fruits of our labor show up in the margin expansion when we report that out. So I think the goal is to continue that sort of activity throughout the balance of the quarter and 2026. On the securitization side, I would say it's tilted towards more opportunity than risk if you're tracking just the credit spread element. So if we look across the year-to-date so far, we have seen residential solar credit spreads stay elevated in that mid-200 basis point area, while we've seen credit spreads generally across corporates and asset classes continue to compress to very tight, like near all-time tight levels. So that is expressing or implying some spread elevation. And I think we're wearing that for reasons around us relating to peer distress and some elevated default rates in the loan ABS side and some of the uncertainties around policy this year. We view that as opportunity as we kind of further and further distance out into next year from some of the events this year that drove that up. My estimate is we're probably at least 50 basis points elevated if you correlate our credit spreads to general credit spreads over time. I think there's opportunity there.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Philip Shen with ROTH Capital Partners.

Philip Shen

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners.

First one is on capital allocation. In your prepared remarks, you talked about exploring that further to maximize shareholder value through '26 is my guess. And so I was wondering what might be on the table? Is buyback the most likely option? What kind of timing might it be? And what things need to exist -- what conditions need to exist in order to pursue that?

Danny Abajian

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners.

Great. Yes, you'll notice and others will notice, we've stayed consistent on the objectives around parent debt paydown. So $100 million or more than $100 million for the calendar year. Year-to-date, we've gotten more than halfway there. And then we've also expressed a longer-range target of having sort of a 2x leverage ratio of total parent debt, inclusive of our 2030 converts against trailing cash generation. So we're paying down debt as we're building up the trailing cash generation at some point into next year, those lines should converge. For anything beyond that, whether it involves buybacks, dividends, accruing more cash on hand, pursuing other opportunities, some of them will be Board-level discussions. So we're not commenting on those, but we're kind of a near-term focus on execution that will build the path to unlock those conversations.

Philip Shen

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners.

Great. And then shifting to '26 as it relates to volume. I know you don't want to talk too much about volume, but you do have some perspective in terms of growth for next year relative to the market overall, which might be contracting as a result of the 25D expiration. And so what we're seeing now is a Q3, Q4 pull forward of demand. You guys plan to grow next year. But that said, can you talk to us about the quarterly cadence? And so if there's a bunch of 25D business being pulled forward, does that impact some of your Q1 and/or Q2 volumes in a way where the seasonal drop-off in Q1, for example, might be more than normal or more than typical? And if you can provide some color on that kind of quarterly cadence, that would be very helpful.

Mary Powell

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners.

Yes. I mean I think at a high level, we expect to continue to gain significant share in 2026, given our focus on subscription offerings and our storage-first strategy. And we expect to do it while generating strong financial returns. Our strategy is not to roll up or onboard a lot of smaller dealers who were historically focused on the loan and cash segment of the market. Our focus is to do exactly what we've talked about, which is to continue to focus on providing a really strong customer experience, really strong value proposition for Sunrun and build out our distributed power plant capabilities. So as I said earlier, like the volume is there. A part of what you've seen even in what we're doing is we've continued even to pare back in certain segments where it did not hit our margin threshold. So we're going to continue to be a disciplined player focused on customer experience, margins and building out stores, while at the same time, we do expect to again gain significant share. We're in a really strong position from a market share perspective.

Operator

Operator

We have reached the end of the question-and-answer session, and this concludes today's conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time, and we thank you for your participation.