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Redwood Trust, Inc. (RWT)

Q4 2015 Earnings Call· Fri, Feb 26, 2016

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Operator

Operator

Good afternoon, and welcome to the Redwood Trust Inc. 2015 Fourth Quarter Earnings Conference. During management's presentation, your line will be in a listen-only mode [Operator instructions]. I would now like to turn the conference over to Kristin Brown, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, ma'am.

Kristin Brown

Analyst

Thank you, Kelian. Good afternoon, and thank you for joining us to review Redwood Trust's fourth quarter 2015 earnings report. Before we begin, I wanted to remind you that certain statements made during management's presentation with respect to future financial or business performance or expectations may constitute forward-looking statements. Forward-looking statements are based on current expectations, forecasts, and assumptions that involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially. We encourage you to read the Company's Annual Report on Form 10-K, which provides a description of some of the factors that could have a material impact on the Company's performance, and could cause actual results to differ from those that may be expressed in forward-looking statements. Also note that the content of this conference call contains time-sensitive information that is accurate only as of today, Thursday, February 25, 2016. The Company does not intend, and undertakes no duty to update this information to reflect subsequent events or circumstances. Finally, today's call is being recorded, and access to this recording will be available on the Company's website at redwoodtrust.com later today. For opening remarks and introductions, I will now turn the call over to Redwood's Chief Executive Officer, Marty Hughes.

Marty Hughes

Analyst

Good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for participating in Redwood's fourth quarter 2015 earnings call. Joining me on the call are Brett Nicholas, Redwood's President; and Chris Abate, Redwood's CFO. After my remarks, Brett will go through our thoughts on the recent repositioning of our conforming residential and commercial mortgage banking operations, as well as our strategy going forward. Then, Chris will discuss the quarter's financial results and our earnings outlook for 2016. We earned $0.46 per share in the fourth quarter compared to $0.22 per share in the third quarter of 2015. Book value was $14.67 per share, almost flat from the prior quarter. For the full year 2015, we earned $1.18 per share and our GAAP ROE was 8.2% as compared to 2014 earnings of $1.15 and a GAAP ROE of 8%. In characterizing the year's performance, we would say it's gratifying that our investment portfolio generated sufficient income to cover our annual dividend of $1.12 per share paid to shareholders, especially in light of the challenges we faced. However, the performance of our residential and commercial mortgage banking businesses was disappointed and resulted in our repositioning these operations, which we announced earlier this year, and which Brett Nicholas will discuss further in a moment. Now, in light of the extreme capital markets volatility that has occurred over the past few quarters, we'd like to address Redwood's capital position, liquidity and investment opportunity. These topics are multi-faceted, dynamic, and interconnected, and therefore we must be considered collectively as we position our business for the future. Assessing our current capital needs requires us to continually make "if that, then this" determinations as circumstances in our business change and new opportunities arise. So, as you might suspect, we can't say at this time with exact precision how much of our available…

Brett Nicholas

Analyst

Thank you, Marty. As we have shifted part of our strategic direction, we believe it is important to lay out for you what business assumptions changed that led us to reposition our conforming residential and commercial businesses, as well as the financial impact of these changes. In our conforming residential loan operation, we discontinued our aggregation and loan sale activity because we no longer believe that our conduit can generate sufficient conforming loan sale margin primarily due to the unrelenting competitor pricing pressure for conforming loans. Going forward, our GSE seller servicer licenses will allow us to remain an investor in conforming mortgage servicing rights through co-issue channels at a lower cost than through the traditional conduit channel. Our commercial business was established six years ago when there was a shortage of lending capacity and a gap between what a senior lender would provide and the available equity. We used our balance sheet to bridge this gap, originating over $460 of mezzanine loans, of which $300 million remain in our portfolio as of December 31st, 2015, and all of which are performing. We evolved our strategy to originate senior loans for distribution into CMBS transactions as we saw the opportunity to profitably deploy our capital in a market with increasing origination volume. While highly profitable through 2013 and 2014, excess lending capacity, pressure on CMBS spreads and increased market volatility over the past 15 months has significantly eroded the profit opportunity. We concluded these factors are unlikely to change in the foreseeable future, and as a result, decided to exit the CMBS origination business. We have sold all but $4 million of our senior loans into the most recent transaction, albeit at a small loss, and the sale of this remaining balance is in process. Collectively, repositioning these businesses will…

Christopher Abate

Analyst

Thank you, Brett, and good afternoon, everyone. Our fourth quarter earnings were $0.46 per share as compared to $0.22 per share for the second quarter. The increase was driven by higher net interest income from our investment portfolio, higher jumbo mortgage banking margins, and higher realized gains from sales of residential securities. Our book value is $14.67 per share at December 31, down only slightly from $14.69 per share at September 30. Higher earnings and the impact of $53 million of share repurchases were offset by our fourth quarter dividend distribution and a decrease in unrealized gains from securities that were sold during the fourth quarter. As a result of strong portfolio growth over the past few quarters, our estimated fourth quarter REIT taxable income was $0.37 per share, more than exceeding our fourth quarter dividend. Our total REIT taxable income for 2015 was estimated to be $1.05 per share, the highest we have reported in nine years. Turning to our recent investment activity, we deployed $116 million of capital into new investments during the fourth quarter, bringing total capital deployed into new investments to $417 million for the year. We continue to make significant progress replacing lower yielding portfolio assets with higher yielding, longer duration investments. During the fourth quarter, we sold $130 million of residential securities while redeploying a portion of the net proceeds into loans financed with the Federal Home Loan Bank of Chicago. This represented $51 million of capital invested during the quarter. Other notable investment activity during the quarter included $21 million of MSR investments and $4 million of commercial CMBS investments. Additionally, as I noted earlier, we repurchased $53 million of our common stock. The stock was purchased at a weighted average price of $13.35 per share. In total, since the third quarter of…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] We’ll move first today to Bose George with KBW.

Bose George

Analyst

Hey, guys, good afternoon. The first question - thanks for the guidance for next year. Just when I try and bridge where your run rate versus where it will be next year, are the main things to think about the $13 million earnings drag that goes away, and then the investment income on the $150 million that you're freeing up, or is there anything else, as well, that we should think about?

Chris Abate

Analyst

Hey, Bose, yes. Yeah, with the press releases we issued over the past month and a half or so, I think that guidance still holds. We expect to relieve the earnings drag from those businesses. In addition, we will have all else equal, $30 million reduction in operating expenses, which is a component of that. One piece that's not as obvious is, by freeing up $150 million of capital that was essentially not making money, we'll be able to redeploy that through stock repurchases or through opportunistic investments and generate what we expect to be a much better return.

Bose George

Analyst

Okay, that makes sense. And then, actually for this quarter's earnings, apart from the realized gains, is there anything we can consider an unusual item, or is it kind of a reasonable run rate for where earnings should be?

Chris Abate

Analyst

I think other than expenses were elevated as we started to incur severance and nonrecurring costs associated with the discontinuations. That was a component. Otherwise, I think it was a relatively straightforward quarter. We had the full impact of our FHLB investments, which I mentioned earlier. Jumbo mortgage banking margins had increased from the prior quarter. I think we have 71 basis points of gross margin in the fourth quarter. We announced 59 basis points for the full year. I think what that reflects is a transition to hold on sales as opposed to securitization. So, in the first quarter, we expect jumbo margins to be in excess of the 59 basis points that we reported for 2015.

Bose George

Analyst

Okay, thanks, and then just one more. Actually, the share count, the diluted share count, can you remind me just what drives the increase, or what drove the increase this quarter?

Chris Abate

Analyst

Really it has to do with the GAAP rules around EPS, and it's really stemming from our convertibles. So, based on profit levels, the impact of the convertible debt either goes in the numerator or the denominator. This quarter it went into the denominator as if we had to convert the debt. That's the GAAP assumption. We're not currently assuming that for forecasting purposes, it's just the way EPS calculation works.

Bose George

Analyst

Okay, so we should think about the share count, whatever in the mid-80s kind of when you think it for next year?

Chris Abate

Analyst

Yeah. I think it was around $84 million to start the year, or maybe at June 30th it was around $84 million and I think today it is closer to $77 million, $78 million.

Bose George

Analyst

Okay, great. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

We’ll hear next from Steve Delaney with JMP Securities.

Steve Delaney

Analyst

Hi, good afternoon, everyone, and congrats on a solid close to what I know was a tough year for you. Chris just a housekeeping thing first, just to be following-up so we can get sort of what we feel is a good representation of core EPS for the fourth quarter compared to the $0.46 GAAP, the January 20th press release suggested severance of about $2 million split 50-50 between 4Q and 1Q. So, if we were to use $1 million for one-time severance in 4Q, would that be an appropriate adjustment in your view?

Chris Abate

Analyst

Yes.

Steve Delaney

Analyst

Okay, alright, great. And then bigger picture stuff, one for Brett, if I may, obviously so you guys have made some tough decisions and you're going to focus on sort of your long-term core prime jumbo business, I me wondered, Brett, if you'd mind commenting sort of on the competitive landscape there for acquiring loans. We just looking today at Wells' website, and it just seems they're still pricing like, jumbos three eights through their conforming rate. And if you could just comment on your confidence level of continuing to be able - that's your biggest bucket in your investment portfolio now, so love to hear how we're going to continue to see a good flow there, both to replenish FHLBC, but also to generate some gains. Thanks.

Brett Nicholas

Analyst

Thanks, Steve. For quite a few years now, we've been competing for jumbo loans from the large money center banks who continue to have very aggressive appetites for their portfolio. We have been successful with our correspondent network still acquiring loans. I think our service levels are one of the reasons why. Secondly is, we have a large group of whole loan buyers who have the same appetite for jumbo collateral as the big banks. So, their price we could pass through to our loan sellers which keeps them competitive with obviously the big money center banks. And I think that's really what drives it on those relationships at our service levels.

Steve Delaney

Analyst

That makes a lot of sense. I'd always thought of just sort of the securitization execution, et cetera, but your guys are - your correspondents are kind of hoarding the jumbos just like Wells and JPMorgan and everybody else is, aren't they?

Brett Nicholas

Analyst

Well, I'd say our whole loan buyers are.

Steve Delaney

Analyst

Your whole loan buyers, I meant, yes.

Brett Nicholas

Analyst

There are other large banks that do not have large origination capacity, and they look at us as being a source of portfolio growth for them.

Steve Delaney

Analyst

Okay, great. And so Chris, when you gave your guidance, should we still think about the historic 25 to 50 basis points as sort of being part of the framework for your 2016 guidance?

Chris Abate

Analyst

Yes, Steve. I think that's still a good long-term metric. I made the note that early in 2016 and coming out of the fourth quarter, margins remained elevated. Volumes were down in the fourth quarter as a result of other factors, but the margins looked good. And thus far in 2016, they look good. We had a warm January. From a purchase loan perspective that was good and mortgage rates are down. So, we feel pretty good about the jumbo business right now.

Steve Delaney

Analyst

Okay, thanks, guys. And Marty just one to finish up, one for you if I may and I know how much time you've spent in Washington in recent years, and I'm sure the FHFA's decision was disappointing to you. I'm just curious if you've got any thoughts on how this plays out over the next couple years and how you would peg the odds of somehow or another Redwood and maybe other mortgage REITs regaining membership into the FLUB system.

Marty Hughes

Analyst

Again, yes, we were a little disappointed with the ruling, although we were one of a handful of people that actually are in for the five-year period, nine and a half years of term financing. In my opinion, Steve, this was really gnarly political, and I think the FHFA making this decision was just something that they wanted to get behind them. I don't think this is something that would get opened up again anytime soon, in our opinion.

Steve Delaney

Analyst

Okay, so you don't think any efforts through Congress are going to really be that beneficial?

Marty Hughes

Analyst

I personally don't think so. I mean, Congress has in the grand scheme of things, you think through tax reform, the multitude of very, very important issues, I just don't think that stepping in the breach and helping out the Captive issue is way up there on anybody's top of their list.

Steve Delaney

Analyst

I hear you. Well, good judgment on your part to get in early and to lock it up for nine and a half years. Thanks for the comments, guys.

Operator

Operator

[Operator instructions] We’ll move next to Vic Agrawal with Wells Fargo Securities.

Vic Agrawal

Analyst

Hi, guys, thanks for taking my question. I think, Chris, you said that you haven't seen any material credit issues in the portfolio. But, as we continue to see credit spreads move wider, especially on the CRT bonds, and I know your portfolio's been pristine for a number of years, are you seeing any signs of early delinquencies, so at all?

Chris Abate

Analyst

Not at this time, Vic. On the residential side, we continue to just have very, very positive credit performance. I think we're more concerned about repo in the capital markets, but we don't expect anything to be driven by fundamentals on the resi credit front.

Vic Agrawal

Analyst

Okay. And then, on your cost of funds, obviously that improves in the quarter. Do you expect the current level to be sort of a good run rate, or do you expect any further improvement?

Chris Abate

Analyst

I think the guidance that we provided here is a good proxy for the run rate for the foreseeable future.

Vic Agrawal

Analyst

Okay. Thanks, Chris.

Chris Abate

Analyst

Yeah.

Operator

Operator

And from Chimney Rock Investments we’ll hear from Beau Lescott.

Beau Lescott

Analyst

Hi, thanks for taking the call. Two quick questions, one, can you provide any color on share repurchases that happened after the quarter-end and what share count you're using for your 2016 guidance? And then, the second question is, with respect to your repo financing, you outline a plan to reduce that as soon as possible, I think you put it. Can you talk about how you plan to accomplish that, whether you plan to sell the underlying securities or replace that financing with something else?

Chris Abate

Analyst

Sure. Sure, Beau. Since the end of the year, we used another $11 million or so of the remaining authorization to buy back stock. I think we bought it back at an average of $13.42. That was done earlier in the quarter, and that effectively used up the full $100 million authorization. So, that was what we have left that we used in 2016. As far as reducing the repo, I did mention our current plan is to reduce repo down to or below $300 million. That's a pretty significant drop from where we're at today. I think that'll be a combination of sales and just using cash to buy securities off of repo, if you will. It's going to be opportunistic, so we're not operating with great urgency, but we do expect this to occur over the next few months.

Beau Lescott

Analyst

This is the first signal that I've seen so far, and I think it's the right thing to do to act prudently, but would you characterize this as preventative rather than reactive?

Chris Abate

Analyst

Well, any time there's market volatility, especially in pricing, the first thing that we think about is repo. It's usually the first sign of distress. And while we still feel good about the bonds we have on repo, I think we're a little bit more cautious today. Obviously there's fewer counterparties, there's been a few large European banks that have been pulling back. I think a lot of that capacity can be absorbed by onshore banks, but still, to us it's a sign and a measure of liquidity. So, we may be more cautious than others at this point, but that's our posture.

Beau Lescott

Analyst

I appreciated it.

Operator

Operator

And at this time, there are no further questions. I'll turn it back to you all for closing remarks.

Kristin Brown

Analyst

Thank you for joining us today, and we look forward to talking to you again next quarter.