Welcome to the RXO Q3 2023 Earnings Conference Call and Webcast. My name is Synthu, and I will be your operator for today's call. [Operator Instructions]. During this call, the company will make certain forward-looking statements within the meaning of federal securities laws, which by their nature, involve a number of risks, uncertainties and other factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements. A discussion of factors that could cause actual results to differ materially is contained in the company's SEC filings as well as in its earnings release. You should refer to a copy of the company's earnings release in the Investor Relations section on the company's website for additional important information regarding forward-looking statements and disclosures and reconciliations of non-GAAP financial measures that the company uses when discussing its results. I will now turn the call over to Drew Wilkerson. Mr. Wilkerson, you may begin.

Good morning, everyone. Thanks for joining today's earnings call. With me today in Charlotte are Chief Financial Officer, Jamie Harris; and Chief Strategy Officer, Jared Weisfeld. I'm pleased with RXO's performance in the third quarter and what was and continues to be a soft freight market. We've seen this part of the freight cycle before and know exactly what actions we need to take to fuel our continued growth and set us up for long-term success. In the third quarter, we accelerated our brokerage market share gains while maintaining strong brokerage gross margins. Brokerage volume grew by 18% year-over-year. For the first time, we've broken out brokerage volume performance between truckload and less than truckload for you. Both grew significantly. Full truckload volume grew by 13% year-over-year and less than truckload volume grew by 55% year-over-year. We service our full truckload customers exceptionally well, and those customers continue to award us LTL freight, which is mostly contractual and highly automated. We expect continued growth in our LTL business. When LTL reaches full scale, it will add a meaningful source of earnings to our business and will be a platform for continued growth. In addition, total volume, quarterly loads per day and monthly loads per day during the month of September all set new records. All major brokerage verticals grew on a year-over-year basis and loads per day grew every month as the quarter progressed. The most important driver of that growth was contractual volume, which grew 30% year-over-year, faster than the 19% year-over-year growth we achieved last quarter. This result speaks to the significant trust our customers have in us. Securing contractual volume positions us to win even more spot volume and project loads when the market inflects. We expect to grow brokerage volumes again in the fourth quarter on…

Thank you, Drew, and good morning to everyone. In the third quarter, we generated $1 billion in revenue compared to $1.1 billion in the third quarter of 2022. Gross margin of 17.7% was down 190 basis points year-over-year, solid performance for this stage of the trade cycle. Our adjusted EBITDA was $26 million in the quarter compared to $66 million in the third quarter of 2022. And our adjusted EBITDA margin was 2.7%, down 310 basis points. The declines in these metrics were primarily due to lower freight rates and the moderation in brokerage gross profit per load. We continue to optimize our cost structure while investing for growth, position us well to drive substantial operating margin leverage when cycle influx. I'll touch on our year-to-date annualized cost savings shortly. Below the line, our interest expense for the quarter was $8 million. Our adjusted effective tax rate of 13% in the quarter was a function of an updated annual forecast of lower taxable income in addition to a small amount of discrete tax items. Our year-to-date adjusted effective tax rate is approximately 19%. Adjusted diluted earnings per share for the quarter was $0.05, which includes approximately $0.01 of discrete tax benefits. You can find a bridge to adjusted EPS on Slide 7 of the earnings presentation. Moving to our lines of business. We continue to outperform the brokerage industry. We grew brokerage volume by 18% year-over-year. Brokerage gross margin remained strong at 15.1%, down 390 basis points year-over-year, while only down 30 basis points sequentially. Complementary services gross margin of 20%, improved by 90 basis points year-over-year. Our Last Mile pricing initiatives were the biggest driver. Please turn to Slide 8 as we discuss cash flow. Our adjusted free cash flow over the trailing 6 months was impacted by lower…

Thanks, Jamie, and good morning, everyone. We continued to outperform the market in the third quarter, growing brokerage volume by 18% year-over-year with continued substantial profitable market share gains, enabled by our people and technology. Loads per day grew every month throughout the quarter. More specifically, we grew our core truckload volumes by 13% year-over-year and grew LTL volume by 55% year-over-year. Our full truckload customers continue to award us LTL loads because of our strong service and relationships. LTL now represents approximately 17% of brokerage volumes. From a vertical perspective, we saw growth in every major category. Specifically, retail and e-commerce volumes accelerated significantly with volumes growing by 21% year-over-year versus 3% in the second quarter. Several existing customers awarded us new business in the quarter, but we also saw growth across the whole category. The Food and Beverage vertical also grew strongly. While Industrial and Manufacturing grew by low single digits year-over-year, the vertical decelerated from last quarter's growth rate. From a profitability perspective, we again delivered strong brokerage gross margin of 15.1% in the quarter, down just 30 basis points sequentially, enabled by our technology. As Drew discussed earlier, July was a very difficult month for RXO. However, our performance improved as the quarter progressed. RXO brokerage key performance indicators improved every single month throughout the quarter, positioning us well into the fourth quarter. I'll discuss this in more detail shortly. In the third quarter, 97% of our loads were created or covered digitally versus 81% in the third quarter of 2022. Seven-day carrier retention was a strong 77% in the quarter compared to 75% in the third quarter of 2022. We launched several new features of RXO Connect in the quarter, including enhanced pricing algorithms. Additionally, we leveraged new natural language processing solutions for automated order…

Thank you. Ladies and gentleman, we will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions]. Our first question comes from Ken Hoexter from Bank of America.

Great. Good morning, Drew, Jared and Jamie. Maybe just talk about your outlook there, right? So you talked about slowing growth in October, some increased mini bids. Just what lends confidence that the third quarter is the EBITDA bottom? I guess you talked about confidence that -- well, I'll stop there. Just what gives you the confidence that we're really seeing the bottom given that backdrop that October seems to be a bit more flattish?

Yes, Ken, this is Drew. Good morning. The first thing that I'd point out is the improvement that we've seen in gross profit per load. If you look from July, gross profit per load improved by more than 20% and it continued into October. So the biggest reason for optimism is what we've seen on the gross profit per load. The second thing is, as you look at what was impacting the second quarter outside of gross profit per load, we had 2 other factors. One Last Mile typically takes a step back seasonally from Q2 to Q3, but the cost to run the business doesn't change a ton there. And then the third is, we're the largest manager of ground expedite shipments in the country, and that was largely built off of automotive customers. So while that was a headwind for us as we came out of Q2, as the plants come back online, that will be more of a tailwind for us.

Great. And just if I can do a follow-up. I guess you talked about customer inventories being - you're confident that they're lower end and kind of set to face that rebound. Maybe talk about how you look at that given higher rates, the impact on consumer, just the economic backdrop. I don't know maybe if loads are up maybe because of the bankruptcy of Convoy, any thoughts there if you're seeing the benefit there or if this is really some sort of economic backdrop that you're seeing that's shifting?

Yes. So two separate points there. One on disruption in the market, one on peak season. The first point on peak season is we expect a muted peak season. But we do have some customers that are telling us that they will have a peak season. So we're still staffed for growth and prepared to handle that if the inflection occurs for those customers. The second point on the disruption in the market, the competitor that went out of business was less than 1% of the overall brokerage market. So it wasn't a huge play on capacity, but it did create some disruption and some noise in the market, and that's a good thing for our business. Anytime that there's disruption or noise, our customers are going to come to us to create solutions in times of chaos for their business. And we've got a lot of experience doing that and delivering for them. And we expect, as the market inflects, they're going to come to us on spot loads, projects in many bids as well.

Great. I appreciate the time.

Thank you.

Thank you. Our next question comes from Christopher Kuhn from Benchmark Company. Please go ahead, you line is open.

Yeah, hi. Thanks for taking my question, and good morning, guys. One of the issues that comes up is that the spot price kind of stays where it is. Can you continue to grow your gross margin from here if spot is flat from here or slightly just goes up a little bit?

We think that spot loads are at or near the bottom and have been floating around there for some time. And when you look at what we're seeing from spot rates, we do not believe that carriers can continue at running below operating costs for much longer. We think that over the next 3 months to 9 months, you'll see carrier rates actually accelerate, where if you do not see a demand inflection and that would cause an increase in the overall spot market. But if things stay floating along the bottom, our strategy has always been during this part of the cycle that we'll grow and we'll build our foundation. We'll continue to hone in our relationships with our customers. We'll make a fair margin, and we'll prepare ourselves for the inflection and to show the power of the model and the earnings when the market inflects.

Okay. Thanks, guys. Appreciate it.

The next question comes from Stephanie Moore from Jefferies. Please go ahead, you line is open.

Hi, Good morning. Thank you.

Good morning, Stephanie.

Good morning. I appreciate the color you've given so far, particularly related to October. But - I'm realizing this is a tough question to answer. But just given maybe what you're hearing from your customers, how early bid cycle are trending so far? Maybe how this frames kind of your expectations for 2024 and just where we are in the cycle and the path to an inflection at some point? Maybe just your thoughts on when that might occur.

Yes. Thank you, Stephanie. We're just starting a lot of those conversations with customers, and we expect those to pick up as they typically do over the next 5 months. And we're hearing different things from different customers. Some of these customers were actually going to and we're seeing slight increases on a year-over-year basis. Some of them are slightly down. It depends on when they were bid and when they were put into place and what was going on with the market at that point in time. The biggest thing for our business, though, as we head into 2024 is we're going to hold the model, we're going to continue to build the foundation, grow the base, have strong relationships with our customers. And as the market starts to inflect when spot loads come on, when projects start, we're going to be the first place that customers go. We've got great service, we've created solutions for them and we've got the best technology in the industry.

Great, thank you so much.

Thank you. The next question comes from Scott Schneeberger from Oppenheimer. Please go ahead, you line is open.

Thanks very much. Good morning. Drew, the - you gave some color on load-to-truck ratio. Could you just talk - put it into a historical perspective where you see it right now, what you think it can be over the fourth quarter into next year? And what would be - more importantly, what would be triggers, what would be levels that would make you change behavior of the - versus the mode you're in right now?

Yes. So right now, when you look at where load-to-truck ratio is sitting roughly around 2:1 overall. And I've been doing this for 17 years, Scott. And any time that it has gone below 2:1, it hasn't stayed there for a sustained amount of time. You saw that whenever it went below 2:1 earlier this year, it quickly went to 3 - 3.5:1. So I do not expect that to hang down here for long because I do not think the carriers continue to operate below what it costs them to run their - especially a small trucking company. So for us, when you're talking about will we continue, we've always invested in the business. That's not something that we anticipate slowing down. We don't look at this business quarter-to-quarter. We're looking at it over the long term. And we've laid out targets of - in the EBITDA from $475 million to $525 million. And the investments that we're making right now, we're confident are going to help us achieve that.

Thanks and yes. And you did mention the acceleration of carrier exits in fourth quarter, and you are adding new team members. Maybe elaborate on where you're adding new team members and sneaking another one into, what are some areas of strength and weaknesses across your end market? I'm just curious where you're winning and losing there?

I'll take the first part, and then I'll let Jared take the second part. The first part on where we're adding people, it's all the customers. We've got a lot of great relationships with existing customers, but we're also bringing on new customers. And to have those people come on and be trained up and learn the freight industry, learn the differentiators for RXO takes some time. So we continue to invest in the people who are talking to customers and people who are building relationships with the carriers that we're partnering with.

And Scott, it's Jared. Good morning. From a vertical perspective, all of our main verticals grew on a year-over-year basis in the quarter. Retail and e-com specifically was up 21% year-over-year, which accelerated pretty substantially from last quarter attributable to not only overall vertical health given the customer inventory levels that Drew talked about, but also RXO expanding business at existing customers. Additionally, Food and Beverage showed nice growth year-on-year. Industrial and Manufacturing did slow down year-on-year, but it did still grow relative to prior year.

Thanks, guys. Appreciate it.

Thank you. The next question comes from Jordan Alliger from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead, you line is open.

Hi, morning. I think you mentioned October some softening in volume trends year-over-year. I'm curious, would you assess that, that's more of an underlying demand softening? Or could it be amped up competitive pressures as folks - or other brokers are trying to stick around and go after the business harder?

It was more of a demand softening that we saw, and it was broad-based and it's really across all verticals. Obviously, we did see an impact with the UAW strike, but it wasn't just limited to automotive. It was broad-based across all verticals. But I do want to be clear, we are still growing volumes on a year-over-year basis in the fourth quarter and continue to take market share in this market.

Okay. And then, thanks - and then I know it's still early on 2024. I think you mentioned in the fourth quarter, though, expect sort of maybe usual seasonality on EBITDA growth. I mean all things equal, do you think we could have normal seasonal sequential EBITDA patterns as we move through 2024? Or it'd be times where could it be less earlier, more later? I mean is there a way to think about that?

Jordan, I think there's still too many unknowns for 2024 to call that right now. As we sit here today, we're not sure where interest rates are going. We're not sure what the Fed is going to do. We're not sure what fuel prices are going to do. And those are three big factors to be able to call out normal seasonality. So we're not at a point where we can call what's going to happen in 2024 yet.

Great, thank you.

Thank you. Our next question comes from Brandon Oglenski from Barclays. Please go ahead, you line is open.

Hey, good morning, everyone, and thanks for taking my question. Jared or maybe Drew, you guys did talk about normal seasonality, I think coming off the fourth quarter being down from an EBITDA perspective. I know that's not necessarily guidance, but can you just help us what is the normal step down in 1Q EBITDA? And then I guess maybe a longer-term follow-up to that. What's going to be really required here to demonstrate the operating leverage in the model, especially given that you think the bottom was set in July. So what incrementally do we need to see from here?

Sure. I'll - I can start and if Drew can chime in as well. So it's Jared. Brandon, so you're right, from Q3 to Q4, we talked about a 3-year historical average growth has been about 20% on adjusted EBITDA sequentially, which we expect to achieve roughly that growth rate from Q3 to Q4. Heading into Q1, there's been a lot of variance. I mean if you look back over the last 3 to 5 years, that range has been anywhere from, call it, down mid-single digits to down, call it, low double digits. There's been a lot of variability over the last 3 to 5 years. But that's the appropriate range in terms of how to think about sort of the historical bridge from Q4 to Q1. In terms of incremental contribution margins, we touched about this a bit in the prepared remarks. We expect strong company-wide contribution margins in Q4 with that sequential EBITDA growth from Q3 to Q4. And longer term, when you think about what we're doing here in the business, not only are we continuing to strategically invest, and we size that opportunity at roughly $20 million to $25 million of strategic investments in 2023. But we're also taking actions. And year-to-date, we've achieved cost savings of approximately $31 million on an annualized basis. That's going to achieve - that's going to drive really, really strong contribution margins going forward.

Okay. I appreciate that, Jared. And then, Jamie, talking about leverage, I'm looking at your chart in the presentation. I guess you have a net cash position now $4 million. I mean, is that a proper level to run the business? Or did you draw on the revolver since then?

Yes. So Brandon, when we redid our capital structure - updated our capital structure, really, what we did is we increased our liquidity on our revolver. We had a somewhat inefficient use of cash. We took that cash, paid off the term debt, picked up, let's call it, 130, 150 basis points of negative arbitrage on interest. We'll have an excess of $1 million of cash savings a year on interest on a pretax basis. And so we feel like, at the end of the day, we had a big pickup, a nice pickup in interest savings, kept the exact same liquidity. Our net leverage was the same. We feel like from a standpoint of running the business with that level of cash, we'll dip into the revolver from time to time as the normal cyclicality of intra-quarter cash flow occurs. But we continue to see a very strong cash flow business. We've talked about 40% to 60%. We still believe that's a good number to use. In fact, it's been about 43% year-to-date of conversion. So we think - we feel very comfortable with the optimized capital structure that we put in place in early November.

Appreciate that. Thank you.

Thank you. The next question comes from Scott Group from Wolfe Research. Please go ahead, you line is open.

Hey, thanks. Good morning. So just for the market overall, I'm curious, where do you - what kind of spread are you seeing between contract rate and spot rate right now? And how does that look versus normal? And then I guess what I'm trying to figure out is you guys are - we're talking about, hopefully, July being the bottom. Typically, with brokers, when spot rates eventually spike, we get an incremental squeeze. Do you think that is - do you think we've already seen your squeeze? Or is there an incremental squeeze that comes whenever eventually spikes?

Yes. Good morning, Scott. You're still at a point where spot rates are below contract rates at this point in the cycle. When you talk about the squeeze, we definitely saw a squeeze in July. I think that the squeeze can come at different points in the cycle, and that's a good thing for the business. Whenever you get squeezed, that can last anywhere from a week to 1 to 2 months. It's not something that is a bad thing as you start to see a shift in the market. I don't think that the squeeze that we experienced in July was the broader turning of the market. I think that was more related to produce season. But on the other side of the squeeze is when you start to see the spot loads come in. And that's whenever you're going to see contract gross profit per load come down, but the spot gross profit per load will go up and more than offset and show the power of the earnings behind the business.

And then I know a lot of talk about the gross margin, but I want to ask on the net operating margins fell to 6% in the quarter. Any color on how brokerage net operating margin is doing versus the rest of the business? And then ultimately, when we get this up cycle at some point, how should we think about where net operating margins can go?

Scott, it's Jared. A couple of things on that point. So in terms of the sequential decline in net operating margins, the - we look at the business on an adjusted EBITDA and adjusted free cash flow basis. But what you're calling out, I think I'd highlight a couple of things. One, what Drew talked about earlier in terms of the seasonality in Last Mile from Q2 to Q3 is typically weaker with generally a fixed cost base that doesn't move that much in for quarter when you think about the movement from Q2 to Q3. So those decremental margins impacted the sequential move. And then also remember that the low point in gross profit per load was in July. So the starting point for the quarter really felt the full run rate impact of the squeeze coming out of produce season. So I call those two factors out as well as some of the impact that we talked about earlier with respect to managed transportation associated in the UAW strike. So boiling all - I think combining all those factors, I think, largely explains the move that you're talking about. In terms of the incremental contribution margins from here, I'll hit on what I talked about earlier in terms of the cost optimizations that we're taking in the incremental margins that we're expecting. Last quarter, we talked about from the low point brokerage gross - brokerage contribution margins specifically can be pretty strong from the bottom of the cycle, certainly in excess of 50%. So that's how we're thinking about the business from a contribution margin standpoint.

Thank you, guys.

Thank you. Our next question comes from Jason Seidl from TD Cowen. Please go ahead, you line is open.

Thank you, operator. Good morning, gentleman. You called for capacity to come out of the marketplace at a more material level over the next 3 to 6 months. Most people would have probably called for the same thing in the last couple of quarters to be fair. So what's giving you the confidence that now finally capacity is going to start coming out of the TL market?

Yes, Jason, I said over the next 3 to 9 months. And the biggest...

Sorry about that.

No worries. The biggest thing on that is carriers right now, what it costs to run a small trucking company, spot rates are below right now. So we do not think that the balance sheet that they build up during COVID can sustain much longer than where it's at right now.

Okay. Fair enough. And you talked a little bit about some of your customers saying that sort of you're done with the sort of inventory drawdown. What are they saying about the restock going forward?

Jason, it's Jared. From a restock standpoint, we saw encouraging trends in Q3, specifically in the retail and e-commerce vertical, which was a continuation of the acceleration that we saw in the prior quarter as well. Some of that was expanding share of wallet and market share gains at RXO, but also indicative of the broader health of the vertical. So like Drew said earlier, we are hearing different things from different customers, some think that we're going to have a peak, some are more mixed on that view. I think what's important for us is to ensure that we are prepared for that. We are staffed for growth. We have the right investments. And we'll see as the rest of the quarter plays out, whether or not we'll have a peak. But we did see encouraging trends with respect to the retail and e-com vertical during the quarter.

Appreciate the time, gentleman.

Thank you. The next question comes from Tom Wadewitz from UBS. Please go ahead, you line is open.

I wanted to - just kind of a fine point first. You talked about the slowing in October, but didn't really quantify it. Can you give a little bit of a - truckload load growth is up, I think you said 13% for 3Q. Is it up like low single digits in October? Or is it 10% plus? Or is there any more kind of fine-tuning on that? You can give us just to understand how much slowing there is.

Yes. Truckload volume was up, let's call it, mid-single digits, and overall volume was up double digits.

Okay. Great. Yes. If I look at the - I think you had some questions on this. I think Scott asked about it. And it seems to me like a significant kind of overhang on 2024. It's just that transition process of eventually spot rates are going to go up, right, which I understand is ultimately good for the business. You've got 80% on contract. And so that's maybe - that's a pretty heavy skew to contract. I don't know - if do you think you'll be able to adjust the contract rates more quickly than prior cycles? Or would you say, hey, there is a fair bit of risk that if spot rates go up, then we will have kind of a normal cycle period where we do get squeezed on the gross margin percent?

Tom, the first thing is I would remind you and everyone that this business can shift and shift quickly. So like I told Scott, the squeeze can be for a matter of weeks, and you've seen this business shift this mix shift from contract to spot by more than 1,000 basis points quarter-over-quarter. So while there would be a little bit of a squeeze, the other side of that is a good thing, and the squeeze doesn't have to last that long, depending on the capacity of this exit in the market as well as depending on demand.

Okay. And if I could, just one more quick one. On the attrition, you were asked about Convoy, I think that's high profile, but there are a bunch of other kind of midsized brokers leaving. I think normally focus on carrier attrition. How do you think about broker attrition? And whether that's a significant enough factor to help you -- help the bigger brokers help the stronger brokers like yourself as you go through the cycle? Or is that just noise?

Tom, any time there's disruption in the carriers exiting a routing guide, that's a good thing for our business. It doesn't matter if it's an asset-based carrier or if it's a broker that is doing that. So with the noise that has been there, I would not call that a ton of capacity is exiting the market, but it has created some noise which has created some mini bids and obviously, you followed us for a long time. You know that we've got great relationships with our customers. Our largest customers have been with us for over 15 years on average. And what they're going to do whenever they have disruptions, they're going to come to us. And that's going to be the same thing for the prior question that we were talking about is as soon as there are spot loads, they're going to go to the people that have delivered for them time and time and time again, and that's all right too.

Great. Okay great. Thanks for the time.

Thank you. Our next question comes from Alison Poliniak from Wells Fargo. Please go ahead, you line is open.

Good morning, guys. James on for Alison. Just kind of wanted to follow up on this point around exits and the expectations for it to accelerate. Like essentially sort of what's the mechanism around it? I mean it seems like there has been some level of improvement from a bottom in that market. Like is there sort of a way where we could see sort of the improvement move to a place where the carriers might be encouraged to hang tough and we could see an elongation here? Or - and if that's - or is there really need to be sort of another leg of spot rate pressure to sort of accelerate those exits?

I think the hanging tough is what you've seen over the last 6 to 9 months, when carriers have already been running below the operating cost of what it takes them. So for us, we believe that you have seen the hang tough. And now it gets to the tougher time that they can actually go out and do something else and earn potential income for themselves.

Got it. And then you mentioned the LTL side of it, do you any sense of like the percentage of revenue and sort of what you could possibly see that growing to over sort of the next 12 months?

It's Jared. So we mentioned on the prepared remarks that it's about 17% of our total volume, and it continues to grow. It grew 55% year-over-year in the current quarter. When that business is at scale, it's going to provide a nice stable earning stream for the business and really provide a nice opportunity for us to grow. We continue to get rewarded LTL freight from our largest TL customers based on the exceptional service and the customer relationships that we have, and we don't see that stopping.

Can you give any sense of percent of revenue or percent of profit?

We're not talking about that as a percentage of revenue. But from a percentage of volume standpoint, it was 17% in the quarter, and we continue to expect that to increase.

Thanks.

Thank you. Our next question comes from Bruce Chan from Stifel. Please go ahead, you line is open.

Hey thanks, operator. Good morning, everybody. Drew, you talked about a very nice move up in loads fulfilled digitally versus last year. When you think about cycle recovery, can we maintain those levels of digital fulfillment? Or is there more manual touch that's required to onboard the spot business? And then maybe just a related question there. When you think about the headcount, you've been adding here and investing aggressively as you put it, do headcount additions need to accelerate even more as the cycle comes back?

Yes. Thank you. So when you look at the digital, we're at 97% created or covered. We have made significant progress with our customers, and we do not expect that to slow down. On the carrier side, we still got a lot of white space to go. And we do expect that to accelerate over the next 6 to 12 months. Your second question on headcount. We're investing appropriately in the business in terms of headcount. We've said before that we like to stay staffed for growth of 15% overnight if we need it. And that's the position we're in right now. When the market turns, as you've seen us do before, we'll be able to handle the volume. We did that during early parts of COVID when we were growing volume 20% and 30% on a year-over-year basis. So we've got the team that's prepared to handle it and the customer relationships or we know that the volume will come our way when that time comes.

Okay. I appreciate that. And then just going back to the first question, when you think about the differences in the spot business versus the contract business, is it materially easier to create those loads digitally for contract versus spot? Or is there not an appreciable difference?

Well, on the customer side, it is easier for them to be created on a contract load than on a spot. That - you're right on that.

Okay got it. Thank you.

Thank you. Our next question comes from Brian Ossenbeck from JPMorgan. Please go ahead, you line is open.

Maybe for Drew, just to come back to the whole contract spot mix, I guess what gives you some of the confidence or maybe give us some conversations around this in terms of the confidence level and getting the big shippers to really provide the spillover freight, the spot loads rather when the market does turn. I imagine part of that depends on the strength and timing of the market turn. But just wondering how you can get some visibility or confidence that then happens because I think in the past, we've seen some of your peers expect something similar, but ended up not quite living up to the turn they thought and ended up running lower for longer?

Yes. Brian, this is in our first radio. We've seen this before. When you look at what has happened as the market is it flat, you're right, we don't know the shape and the timing of the recovery. But what we do know is we're talking to our customers every single day. We know that whenever there's opportunities right now in the markets that we're in, when there's disruption, they're coming to us to create solutions. We know that we do business with 58 of the Fortune 100, and over 200 of the Fortune 500. We've got a lot of white space with customers that we don't do business with. Our pipeline is in very good position. So we're confident that not only will we get the contract piece of the business, but we'll be rewarded on the spot piece of the business. We've got great service and our customers come back to us because we understand the blocking and tackling of picking up and delivering on time and showing them complete visibility of the loads.

Okay. So I guess when you think about cadence of renewals for next year, with the mini bids and things have changed, and obviously, the market is still quite dynamic. Is that sort of normal? Most of them done in the fourth and - fourth quarter and the first quarter. Do you expect that to stretch out into next year? And this - I know you mentioned it earlier, but just what are the initial indications in terms of where people expect rates to go? Do you feel like people are going to take some shippers might take one more crack at this to get a lower rate and worry about what happens on the other side?

Yes. So the bid season is typically in the latter part of Q4 and then through the first quarter of next year. And what we're seeing right now, we're starting those conversations with customers. And as I said earlier, some of the rates are coming in right in line. Some of them are slightly above, some of them are slightly below. So I think that when you're talking about shippers taking another crack at it, what shippers want is people who are dependable, who provide good service, who have had partnerships for a number of years and who are giving them a fair market price, which is what we've always done. For us, we'll go out there, we'll give them the fair market price, but when the market inflects and you start to see tender rejections creep up, that's when we're confident that we'll be the beneficiary of the spot loads that come out.

And just the timing of the renewals, is that going to be similar to what it's been in the past? Do you think that could be a little bit slower, maybe even faster?

I think it will be Q1 and the early parts of Q2.

Okay. Thanks, Drew. Appreciate it.

Thank you.

Thank you. Our last question comes from Bascome Majors from Susquehanna. Please go ahead, you line is open.

Jamie, with the post quarter end debt paydown, it looks like you've gotten yourself a bit of breathing room with the 3.5x leverage ratio covenant. Can you speak to that a little bit and whether or not you expect just cyclical draws on the credit line to put you back kind of closer to that?

Yes. So the capital work we did, again, the big picture is we saved $1 million - over $1 million of cash interest, kept the same liquidity. Derivative benefit, it did change the calculation of our covenant. But we had adequate headroom already. It gives us even more headroom. We will have some more - a couple more cycles that we'll have to cycle through, but we feel very good about where we are on our covenants. In terms of draws, we'll use that revolver from time-to-time intra-quarter cyclicality of cash flow and cash outflow is not always perfect. So we do expect to go into the revolver occasionally. But we feel really good about the optimization work we did. And again, our liquidity is exactly the same as it would have been.

Thank you for that and on the transaction, integration, restructuring costs, you have seen that come down sequentially like you guys promised it would. Does that tail off close to 0 next year? What are the early thoughts on how much of the long tail we have on that?

Yes, it will go down. As you said, it has gone down significantly already this year. If you separate the two, the transaction and integration will continue to decelerate rapidly. There will be some P&L into '24, but it will be down significantly. On the restructure side, we have, as Jared mentioned earlier, $31 million of annualized cost savings. We spent for that $31 million, approximately $11 million. So the return on the investment of that is significant. And again, if you go back to long term, we're trying to position ourselves on a cost structure when marketing flex, if we really can leverage a lot of flow-through. So we do see the restructure go down significantly in '24. But if we have an opportunity to have that type of annualized savings, we're going to go for it because it's a good return.

Thank you for that. And lastly, I'll close big picture here. A few people have asked about this, but if I look at the second half of this year, if you come in, in the fourth quarter where you think you are, that's maybe $55 million to $60 million in EBITDA, call it, run rate with no seasonal lift $110 million, $120 million. If I look at sell-side consensus for next year, it's roughly $200 million, but the range is really wide, $140 something to $220 something. And I certainly wouldn't be eager to guide if I were in your seat 3 months earlier than I had to, but is there any sort of book in you can put around what a reasonable expectation could be for next year or what a too-high expectation could be for next year and just hope of having folks expect more of the same and be pleasantly surprised by the better rather than expect better and be disappointed by more of the same. Thank you.

Hey Bascome, it's Jared. Good morning. You've covered us for a while, we don't give annual guidance. We wanted to give you some color into Q4 in terms of expecting positive seasonality and roughly 20% sequential adjusted EBITDA growth despite being in a soft market and despite being an expectation for a muted peak season. Heading into 2024, I think Drew summed it up perfectly earlier. We are prepared in the near term in terms of staff for growth to the extent that a peak season emerges, heading into 2024, how we think about the business is over the long term, right? So we're making strategic investments now. We are focused on delivering the commitments that we gave at Investor Day, the $475 million to $525 million of adjusted EBITDA. No matter what the market throws at us over a 12-month period, we are confident on sustained volume growth outperformance with best-in-class margins.

Thank you.

Thank you. We have reached the end of our question-and-answer session. I'll hand the floor back to Drew Wilkerson for closing remarks.

Thank you, Synthu. In the third quarter, RSO performed well in a soft freight environment with 18% brokerage volume growth and strong gross margins. We've got experience with this stage of the freight cycle, and we've got a winning strategy that positions RXO for future growth. We have a strong balance sheet and a disciplined focus on cost. At the same time, we continue to invest in our people, our service offerings and our technology. We're staying close with our customers and providing them with unique solutions that help solve their toughest freight challenges. Thank you all for your time today. I look forward to seeing many of you in the coming weeks, and I hope you all have a great holiday season.

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, this concludes your conference call for today. [Operator Closing Remarks].