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Sabre Corporation (SABR)

Q2 2019 Earnings Call· Fri, Aug 2, 2019

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Operator

Operator

Good morning and welcome to the Sabre Second Quarter 2019 Earnings Conference Call. Please note that today's call is being recorded and is also being broadcast live over the Internet on the Sabre corporate website. This broadcast is a property of Sabre. Any redistribution, retransmission or rebroadcast of this call in any form without the expressed written consent of the company is strictly prohibited. I will now turn the call over to the Senior Vice President of Investor Relations and Corporate Communications, Mr. Barry Sievert. Please go ahead, sir.

Barry Sievert

Management

Thank you, Olivia, and good morning, everyone. Thanks for joining us for our second quarter earnings call. This morning we issued an earnings press release, which is available on our website at investors.sabre.com. A slide presentation, which accompanies today's prepared remarks, is also available during this call on the IR webpage. A replay of today's call will be available on our website later this morning. Throughout today's call we will be presenting certain non-GAAP financial measures, which have been adjusted to exclude certain items. All references during today's call to EBITDA, EBITDA less capitalized software development, operating income, EPS and net income, have been adjusted for these items. The most directly comparable GAAP measures and reconciliations for non-GAAP measures are available in the earnings release and other documents posted on our website at investors.sabre.com. We would like to advise you that our comments contain forward-looking statements. These statements include, among others, disclosures of our guidance, including revenue EBITDA, EBITDA less capitalized software development, operating income, net income, EPS, cash flow and CapEx. Our medium-term outlook; our expected segment results; the amount and effects of changes in capitalization mix and depreciation and amortization; the effects of customer financial conditions and new or renewed agreements, products and implementations; our expectations of industry trends and various other forward-looking statements regarding our business. These statements involve risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from the statements made on today's conference call. Information concerning the risks and uncertainties that could affect our financial results is contained in our SEC filings, including our first quarter 2019 Form 10-Q and our 2018 Form 10-K. Participating with me on today's call are: Sean Menke, our President and Chief Executive Officer; and Doug Barnett, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Dave Shirk, our Executive Vice President and President of Travel Solutions; and Clinton Anderson, Executive Vice President and President of Hospitality Solutions, are also with us today and will be available for Q&A after prepared remarks. Sean will start us off and provide a review of our strategic and commercial performance and business outlook. Doug will offer additional perspective on our financial results and forward outlook and then we will then open the call to your questions. With that, I'll turn the call over to Sean. Sean?

Sean Menke

President

Great. Thanks Barry. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. Before we get into the details of the call, I want to take a moment and thank my Sabre team members from around the world. Over the past two-plus years we have made substantial progress in refocusing, reinvigorating and transforming Sabre. Their tireless efforts across the globe have allowed us to thrive as a global technology leader in retailing, distribution and fulfillment of the $1.7 trillion travel marketplace in which we reside. Our business model, which is underpinned by long-term contracts, renewal rates of well over 90% and revenue streams that are tied to travel volumes, has proven resilient across economic cycles. The Sabre team should be very proud of what they have accomplished and I am very grateful for their hard work and dedication. With that, I'm pleased to report a solid second quarter performance that was supported by our business model and commercial wins. The second quarter of 2019 marked the sixth consecutive quarter of strong gains in our GDS share. We grew bookings 8% in our home region of North America. At Airline Solutions, we saw a 15% increase in AirVision and AirCentre commercial and operations revenue in the quarter. Our broad set of SaaS Airline Solutions continues to gain momentum following our efforts over the past two years and has contributed to our ability to contract approximately 75% of our current Airline Solutions revenue base through 2023. At Hospitality Solutions, we have exceeded sales targets for the fourth quarter in a row and grew revenue by 8% year-over-year in the quarter. We are accelerating new innovations to differentiate versus our competitors. This includes the continued rollout of Sabre Red 360, a new lodging content innovations, including a significant expansion of properties available through…

Doug Barnett

Management

Thank you, Sean. Under Sabre's business model, our revenue streams are tied to travel volumes, which are resilient across economic cycles and long-term contracts, sticky solutions and renewal rates are well over 90%. Let me remind you of the durability of our business model. During the great recession, we grew EBITDA every year and revenue grew every year except 2009 when it was down less than 1%. Looking more closely at our Q2 results, revenue was up 2% year-over-year, totaling $1 billion. In the second quarter, recurring revenue totaled 93%. Revenue growth was driven by solid performance across each of our businesses. Travel Network revenue was up 1%, Airline Solutions revenue was up 3%, and Hospitality Solutions revenue was up 8%. EBITDA less capitalized software development, which reflects our total R&D, was down 1% in the quarter. The EBITDA less capitalized software development pressure was largely driven by a modest increase in Travel Network incentive fee per booking. In the quarter, as expected, incentive fee per booking growth moderated to low single digits versus double-digit growth over the past eight quarters. We continue to make good progress on our cloud migration. As I will describe in more detail later, our technology transformation is already driving leverage in the model and total technology spend was down slightly in the quarter. As previously discussed, the costs associated with our cloud migration and related technology transformation efforts are expensed as incurred instead of capitalized. So while our total technology spend went down slightly, a shift in our capitalization mix caused technology operating expenses to increase in the quarter with an equal and offsetting decrease in CapEx. We also saw an increase in depreciation and amortization related to previously capitalized technology spend as products are placed into service. Accordingly operating income totaled $127 million…

Sean Menke

President

Thanks, Doug, and we'll let you take a breath and get a drink of water there. As you can see, we're pleased with how the year is progressing, and would like to once again thank the many colleagues around the world for their hard work and dedication. It is our strong belief that you should have growing confidence from what you're seeing in our actions and more importantly our results. Our Travel Network share again demonstrates the importance of our investments in products and full cloud deployment of our shopping complex and incentive fee growth significantly decelerated in the quarter. With 15% growth in AirVision and AirCentre commercial and operational revenue, we are starting to see improved portfolio health show up in the results. We have migrated over 55% of our total compute footprint to the cloud and the associated savings allowed us to reinvest in further transformation efforts, while posting reductions in total technology spend in the quarter. In summary, we are progressing well and have confidence in achieving our full year 2019 goals. I want to once again thank you for joining our call today and for your continued interest in Sabre. And with that, I will ask the operator to open the up the call for your questions.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] And our first question coming from the line of John King from Bank of America. Your line is open.

John King

Analyst · Bank of America. Your line is open

Yes. Thanks for taking the questions. Hi, guys. Just on the delays maybe to the process with Farelogix. I'm just wondering how you're dealing with that from an R&D perspective whether that's kind of cause you to reallocate any investments there perhaps Sean you can give us a view on that. And then nice to see the improvements in the Airline Solutions business. How big relative to perhaps SabreSonic how big is AirVision and AirCentre now and maybe what's the outlook that you see in the pipeline for those modules? Thank you.

Sean Menke

President

Yes. Thanks, John and thanks for joining. On the Farelogix piece, it's a combination of things. And I think the important thing is you look at the industry and what's happening and our focus on Farelogix and their capabilities and I mentioned in my prepared remarks we're still early on in this and it relates to anything that we're doing internally and shifting of resources it's not happening. So we continue to go down that path and work. To me there's such a positive associated with this acquisition relative to the transformation that's happening in the industry and continuing to move forward talking with airlines most talking with agencies around the world there's this desire to continue to move forward. But we've also learned -- and I've often talked about this there's just a lot of work that needs to take place and I couldn't think of a better company to be leading the charts in Sabre and what we're doing there. As it relates to the AirVision AirCentre piece of the equation, it's the smaller piece. I mean SabreSonic is the bigger piece on what's taking place. If you go back to some of the health issues that we are having with the products and to be pretty candid with you is really on the AirCentre side of the equation. And what the team has done specifically on crew, crew management, crew qualification within that product portfolio or that portfolio it's just amazing. And what you're finding is that continued growth. And Dave I don't know if you want to add any comments on either those?

Dave Shirk

Analyst · Bank of America. Your line is open

No, as you can -- I guess what I would point back to is thank you for the comments on the recognition of the improvement in the Airline Solutions business. I think one of the things we focused on was Sean said focused on the health. If the health is there then you'll start to see customers upgrade. Once they start to upgrade as we've talked about they get more current on versions then they can take a cross-sell and up-sell of additional capability. And the growth in AirVision and AirCentre is a good reflection of the health of the portfolio and continued progression over the multi-year plan that we put in place including the October launch of the commercial platform and its competitiveness in the market. So we feel pretty good about how those pieces are progressing right now.

Sean Menke

President

You know John, one thing I would add and this goes back to not only what Dave and team have done when he was running the Airline Solutions, but I have Clinton sitting across the table for me on the hospitality side. And the focus in bringing technology talent and making sure that the products are healthy what we're doing on the cloud side of the equation I'll be honest with you I'm blown away with what the team has been able to do at 55% of our total computing in the cloud where two years ago, we weren't there and what we talked about is how to be essentially take those savings and reinvest in the business. And what's nice to see and I really saw this at the Sabre Technology Exchange in Las Vegas where we had I think it was close to 1,600 customers from around the world. They were really asking us about our technology, sort of, evolution and what's taking place. And it's really great when you have your customers not only thinking about the products that we have, but how do they think about their own infrastructure and transformation that they're going through. So just many positive things.

John King

Analyst · Bank of America. Your line is open

Great. Thank you, guys.

Operator

Operator

Our next question coming from the line of Mark Moerdler with Bernstein Research. Your line is open.

Mark Moerdler

Analyst · Bernstein Research. Your line is open

Thanks. I also agree -- congrats on the improvements we're seeing. What I'd like to look at is the question of the operating margin. Operating margin has been hit by the move of technology costs from capitalized to expense as well as the flip side the amortization of the previously capitalized tech investment. Can you give some color on how to think about once you're through this process what happens to margins? Does the increase in OpEx from expense tech get fully offset by the shrinkage in the amortized tech investments going away?

Doug Barnett

Management

Yes. So Mark you're actually correct. So what's happening right now we're getting hit twice in the sense by this capitalization shift. Last year as I've mentioned, we capitalized that our capitalization rate closer to 24%, 25% now we're down to 9%. So those expenses now are running through not only EBITDA, but the operating income and net income. And then you're correct. The high amortization in capitalization we previously had is now starting to hit us. As we move forward, we expect to have the capitalization rate probably moderate in this 9% to 10% range. So we'll no longer be negatively impacted by the rate change and will have a significant benefit from the lower amortization as you move out particularly in the 2021 and 2022. That's why I mentioned in my comments that there's probably going to be $140 million benefit between 2019 and 2022 from lower amortization which absolutely drives rapid margin expansion for operating income, net income and EPS growth.

Mark Moerdler

Analyst · Bernstein Research. Your line is open

When you're -- just to clarify as you get through this once you get to whatever the normalized moment in time if there ever is one does it basically go back to what you had before and it's just simply a shift in the way in which those costs are being recognized?

Doug Barnett

Management

I think it will go back a little bit higher and the only reason why I'm saying this is first you're absolutely right that the actual capitalization mix and the amortization will normalize. But the fact that we expect our R&D cost to grow to lower rate in the top-line we'll actually have more margin expansion than we would've had in the past.

Mark Moerdler

Analyst · Bernstein Research. Your line is open

Excellent. I really appreciate. Thank you.

Sean Menke

President

Thanks, Mark.

Operator

Operator

Our next question coming from the line of Matthew Broome with Mizuho Securities. Your line is open.

Matthew Broome

Analyst · Mizuho Securities. Your line is open

Thanks very much. Given that you appear to have a good opportunity to consolidate the Hospitality Solution's market over the next few years, what is the opportunity to accelerate revenue beyond that, 7% to 9% growth rate you mentioned?

Clinton Anderson

Analyst · Mizuho Securities. Your line is open

Yeah. Matt, thanks for the question. This is Clinton. We see a lot of opportunity in two primary areas. The area we're most excited about is the concept of intelligent retailing. And this is really where we are introducing a new product in the marketplace that, allows for hoteliers to sell products and services beyond the room. One of the challenges we've had historically in the industry, is that we've thought about inventory as being a hotel room, at a certain rate for a length of stay. And we know that travelers are looking for a much broader set of experiences. So the products and services you can add to that hotel room are the things that hotels can market and sell to their customers. And so this drive not only top line revenue in the form of higher conversion, higher yield, higher share of wallet. But many of these products and services are very high margin that flow to the bottom-line. It also creates a very attractive guest experience, right? So it's benefiting all parties involved. So we see upside there, in terms of growth acceleration. The second thing we see is, as we finish the Trust migration we now move on to single platform. That single platform is a relatively modern tech stack. And that tech stack has a set of common services for both the central reservation system as well as for our PMS system. So, the single brain there gives us the ability to have single platform type economics as we grow in the future. And that delivers many of the benefits you've seen in other platforms, in other tech spaces that we think will allow us to compete much more effectively for, hotels who are looking to have a single source of technology.

Matthew Broome

Analyst · Mizuho Securities. Your line is open

Okay. That's interesting. Thanks. And I mean can you specifically quantify the revenue and EBITDA impacts from the, I guess the sort of the two de-migrations, in Airline Solutions you mentioned, this quarter? And will this impact increase next quarter?

Sean Menke

President

Obviously, next year is when we'll begin to normalize those. But I can understand the number.

Doug Barnett

Management

Yeah. As we mentioned, we would've had 12 -- you can do some math. We would've had 12% of revenue growth excluding those de-migrations, which obviously would've been in -- come in at very high margins.

Matthew Broome

Analyst · Mizuho Securities. Your line is open

Okay. Thanks very much.

Operator

Operator

Our next question coming from the line of Jim Schneider with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

Doug Barnett

Management

Jim, are you there? Let's go to the next question.

Operator

Operator

Next question coming from the line of Ashish Sabadra with Deutsche Bank. Your line is open.

Ashish Sabadra

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Your line is open

Thanks. Thanks for taking my question. Sean any color on discussions with airlines about potential new SabreSonic wins, competitive wins?

Sean Menke

President

Yeah. Ashish, good to hear from you, I'll go back to where we are with -- when Dave was talk about the things that are taking place with technology. And we're not going to get into specific campaigns that we're involved in right now. But the suite of products that Dave and team have essentially revitalized, they're out in the marketplace. We're having, what I would consider to be encouraging conversations in many regions of the world. And, as you know, this is a long process that takes place. The other thing that continues to really begin to weigh into the conversations, and I mentioned this I think last year and begin to plant the seed is people are really looking at going back to Farelogix, what's happening on the distributor side. There's definitely alignment with what's taking place there. But, I'll let Dave add a couple of comments since he and his team are in the midst of many of these campaigns.

Dave Shirk

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Your line is open

Yeah. I would just echo what we've said in some of the comments that were there earlier which is, we've been focused on our installed base. Obviously, the best thing you can do is have your installed base healthy and satisfied and growing, which you're seeing beginning progress of that starting to show up now, as we talked about. And then, the fact that, we've shift from defense to offense, competitively there's a significant renewal cycle ahead of us over the next three years, from our competition and the health of the portfolio. I'm very excited about some of the comments and some of the customer feedback that we're seeing, as they begin their upgrade journey from our installed base. And that does just reflect itself as a Sean talked about in conversations that are starting to pop up, in different regions around the world. So, pipeline positive, activity positive and it's one of those things where these are as Sean said, these are -- I'm learning a lot over the last two years of exactly how challenging some of these transformations, inside various airlines around the world are. But the team is well engaged. And I think we're at a point now, where we're very well equipped with differentiation. The technology transformation cannot be underestimated. We are the first and number one in cloud-based computing in the travel industry. We're the first ones to move to the cloud. We have 55% of our compute power there as Sean mentioned and it should be underscored significantly. Our entire shopping complex and the network globally is in the cloud. That makes us number one in shopping in the cloud as well. So a lot of the criticisms maybe in the past around our technology footprint, we have made enormous strides over the last two years there. And I'm very, very proud of the work the team has done and continues to do. And that puts us in a very positive position for these conversations and what we see over the next couple of years as that transition and those open opportunities for renewal situations are out in the market.

Sean Menke

President

Yes. Ashish another way of looking at it and I think it does go back to why you should focus on what's happening within the AirVision, AirCentre portfolio is that's an indication of what the team has done as it relates to the health of the product and more in the advancement of the product. If you look at it relative to why we keep talking about the cloud, not only because of what it does for us on a stability basis or cost basis, but it gives us global distribution and what I -- our global disbursement in that. And one of the most important things for customers is that there is not latency there, because the latency can have impacts in what's taking place. And so you're beginning to see what I would say are the green shoots of really good things that are happening and the lead indicators on that is what's happening with AirCentre and AirVision. As you would assume, there's a lot of other work that has been going on behind the scenes. Big part of it and I think it goes back to the renewal that we announced with JetBlue and some of the things that will be rolling out to them. But when you look at some of the components that we talked about when I talked about Ethiopia Airlines, I talked about Aeroflot and some of the products that they're taking these are some of the things that we have invested on the digital commercial platform that comes together as the entire suite of products that we can take to a carrier essentially and present. Any -- I think you can hear just in our voice and how we're feeling about the business that we feel like we're in a much better place than where we were two years ago.

Ashish Sabadra

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Your line is open

This is very helpful. Thanks a lot. And maybe just a quick question. Any the initial thoughts on the recently-announced leadership change at Travelport? And then with them going private again very early days, but how could that -- the combination of that could influence the competitive environment going forward?

Sean Menke

President

Yes. Not much. I mean, we know Greg, he's a nice guy. He's been around -- he's around Sabre for a number of years. I think we like -- a number of groups are waiting to see what the direction of new ownership and new leadership is going to be. But as I continue to talk to the team and we look at what we're doing. We're running our own race. We feel very good about what we're doing. The customers are responding to what we're doing in the marketplace. We've seen it as it relates to the share growth and the pivot in what's happening relative to where incentive rates were where we're getting new deals. And this is really tech-focused and we're going to continue to focus on the tech and we believe that's where the opportunity is. And as I mentioned, customers are responding positively.

Ashish Sabadra

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Your line is open

Thanks, Sean. Thank you.

Sean Menke

President

Thanks, Ashish.

Operator

Operator

Our next question coming from the line of Neil Steer with Redburn. Your line is open.

Neil Steer

Analyst · Redburn. Your line is open

Thank you, and congratulations on a solid quarter. Just a quick question. Sean, early on your prepared remarks, you referenced the facts that you have experienced in North America of having lived through the era of pricing pressure and deregulation. There were deregulation was that a reference to the airline industry? Or is that a specific reference to the GDS industry? And I'm thinking here with regards to the current European Commission's investigation into the nature of the contracts you have with the carriers and if you lose the most favored nation clause in those contracts, would you anticipate that that then is a catalyst for an era of pricing pressure within the European GDS market?

Sean Menke

President

Yes. Neil, pretty broad question there, but let me try to walk through it. So when I talk about deregulation was deregulation really of the GDS industry that happened in the mid-2000s I think it was about 2005, 2006. And really what transpired in that is that the GDSes went and they negotiated new agreements with airlines. And then in the past or what ended up happening from there is the GDSes negotiated with the travel agencies that had to do an opt-in agreement. So there's essentially a step down in fees that took place relative to the fees from airlines and then they commissions to or the incentives paid to the agency community. And that's what we talked about that if you look at the U.S. marketplace, it has gone through that change. And I'm going to share a couple of numbers with you, because I think it's pretty important relative to how we see the North America marketplace, why we feel good about our position here. But if you look at it and this ties into because we get a lot of questions too Neil about just what's happening on the capacity growth side of the equation. So if you look at the North American marketplace, North American capacity and this is going to be full-service carriers as well as low-cost carriers so in total. In 2018, capacity growth was right around 5%. And you had GDS growth that was at 3.9%. And we always look at that gap. What is that gap? Because you're going to have specifically with the growth of low-cost carriers are growing at a higher rate they have a higher propensity of direct bookings. So that gap was about 1.1%, when you look at 2018. What's interesting when we look at the first…

Neil Steer

Analyst · Redburn. Your line is open

Okay. Thanks very much.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is coming from the line of Jed Kelly with Oppenheimer. Your line is open.

Jed Kelly

Analyst · Oppenheimer. Your line is open

Great. Thanks for taking my question. Just on Travel Network's margins. On your presentation, I think it said, well, excluding the accelerating technology expense recognition, they would've been down only like 180 basis points. I mean how much of that is related to depreciation versus incentives moderating? And then on your comments on Travel Network margins expanding in 2021, I mean what type of macro environment does that assume? I mean can they still expand. We are later in the cycle? How does their -- how do margins work in a, say, potential recession or any macro?

Doug Barnett

Management

Sure. Yeah. So, with regard to the comments, what I was trying to do with regards to the -- what would happen if we had the same capitalization mix, that's what I was trying to do it when I gave you that. The reason why the margins were down even excluding the capitalization mix in Q2 would've been the fact that as I mentioned in my opening remarks, the average booking fee dropped 60 basis points and there was -- even though it was really nice to see the growth in the incentive fee come way down that still would impact your margins. That's what drove the margin depression even excluding the CapEx mix for TN in the second quarter. As we move forward and we move out into the out years, it would be nice to see, we'll eventually get to the point to where the growth in average booking fee begins to almost normalize and equal what's going to happen with the incentive fee, and then you'll get leverage coming out of your tax spend because this tax spend grows only 1% and the top line is growing, call it, 4% or 5%-plus, you'll get margin expansion, and that will be really pretty much in any economic cycle.

Jed Kelly

Analyst · Oppenheimer. Your line is open

Okay. Thanks for that. And then just on the comments earlier on contracts up from a legacy competitor. I mean, can you just discuss your strategy? I know you can probably give a little -- you probably aren't going to give us too much, but just competing against a competitor that's been entrenched with those carriers for quite some time. And then another question I have just Sean, Expedia and Lufthansa did announce a Direct Connect NDC contract. So, can you just give us your views on that announcement?

Dave Shirk

Analyst · Oppenheimer. Your line is open

Yeah. Let me take the first part of your question there. You're right, we're not to give you specific color, but what I would just go back to is what we're focused on. And as Sean said, we're playing to our strength and our game which is strengthening the portfolio. Leading indicator of that, as he said is the retail and distribution space is continuing to grow change of an AirVision and AirCentre are very significant part of how we differentiate that. And so, when you see the growth strength of carriers picking those pieces up, it just speaks to the interest level and moving and evolving the way a passenger service system is looked at in the way in which customers are looking at the market and how data and analytics play a significant part in kind of how they think about that retailing journey going forward. And we're going to continue to focus on that area. We're going to continue to differentiate our shopping. We’re going to continue to differentiate our pricing and the optimization of how we're injecting machine learning into that capability set. So, those are just things that we're going to continue to showcase and continue to try to drive forward. And beyond that, we'll try to continue to keep the customer base as happy as possible, because nothing like a good reference base to support the situation that we're in.

Sean Menke

President

Thanks, Dave. And Jed on your second question as it relates to Lufthansa and Expedia. Listen, I think this is part of what we're seeing in the European marketplace is that -- and we've seen this over several years just different airlines thinking about their distribution strategy and how do they essentially go to the marketplace. And with that, I think we're going to continue to see it. We have United negotiating with Expedia right now. I think a big part of that negotiation has to do with, and I think United has been vocal about this on how their products are being sold through Expedia. It really does get into their basic economy, but it's one that I think you're going to continue to see airlines try to press ways going back to how are they lowering their distribution cost that they're selling. And if you look at the tickets that are sold through Expedia a lot of cases OTAs, to be low yielding tickets. So they're trying to find lower cost of distribution to be able to do that. So I think that's part of it. The other thing that I often caution airlines, what when I speak with them is, the more complicated you want to make your product offering, and it doesn't matter which --through which distribution outlet. You have to be very careful that the normalization does taking place. And again, it sort of goes back to where we're focused on is that, listen, if you want to have a strategy that's going to the indirect channel, direct channel or even Direct Connect. We have to make sure that we have technology that supports it. And in doing that is why we're -- when we look at our broad portfolio, it's just not about distribution, but it does drive back into what the Airline Solutions team is doing on the PSS and how do you think about that offer creation. And then how do you think about the forms of distribution and how do you fulfill that. And that's what I continue to try to educate my team on the street on is you got to look at this entire picture just not pieces of the picture in what's taking place. And that's a strategy that we're executing to.

Jed Kelly

Analyst · Oppenheimer. Your line is open

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question is coming from the line of Jim Schneider with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

Jim Schneider

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open

Good morning. Thanks for taking my question and apologies for the difficulty before. I just want to follow up on the earlier question to start of. In terms of some of the types of clients that might be most vulnerable to a competitive takeaway by Sabre. Will that be -- should we think about that as being some of the legacy Navitaire contract holders as being maybe most the biggest potential opportunity? And if you just kind of think forward, when might you expect to see some announcements on some of these Airline Solutions wins materialize? Is that something, we can expect in the back half of this year or more a 2020 event?

Sean Menke

President

Yes. Thanks for making your way back. So, we don't comment as you know on where deals will land. If you find it and I think it is a combination of opportunities that are out there. There are some that -- and I think, we find this in any business that there are carriers that have been on what I would consider to be the larger platform for a period of time that are looking for different solutions. You spoke about the Navitaire platform and there are carriers around the world that have grown to a size and if you look at in some cases the investment structures and who their investors are and you have essentially looking for the capability, a broader network that gets into interlining and codeshares, it opens up a different opportunity there. And what I mean by that is, when you look at the -- what I would consider to be the full capabilities of SabreSonic and even our competitors PSS on a higher end it has capabilities to fulfill that. Navitaire, I don't believe has all these capabilities. So you have customers that are looking at change. Well if you're going to make a change off of Navitaire, it's really a transition. I don't care if it's a transition to SabreSonic, it'd be a transition to a different portfolio. So, when we look at it, they're sort of a combination of different opportunities that we see out there.

Jim Schneider

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open

That's helpful. Thanks. And then, just a clarification, you're raising the Airline Solutions guidance on the AirVision and AirCentre strength that you saw, just wanted to understand, if you think that level of growth is sustainable over the next three quarters as well or if there's any kind of onetime impact in those numbers right now.

Doug Barnett

Management

Well, look there was some obviously some benefit this quarter to local installs with the new accounting treatment that benefited this quarter. That's why I gave the guidance of what we thought revenue would be in Airline Solutions for the next two quarters. So, I really focused on those two quarters, Jim. I think, I didn't go out all the way obviously till Q1 of 2020.

Jim Schneider

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open

Understand. Thank you, very much.

Operator

Operator

With that, I would like to turn the call back over to Mr. Menke for closing remarks.

Sean Menke

President

Great. Once again, I want to thank everybody for joining us this morning. We continue to appreciate the interest and support and look forward to continuing to share the progress that we have going on at Sabre. Hope everybody has a great day. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude the program. You may all disconnect. Good day.