Martin Roper
Analyst · Judy Hong with Goldman Sachs
Sure. When we do drink research, we get very positive feedback on the aggregates of cider. The refreshment of the sort of all natural element of it, the gluten-free element of it, and sort of associations with the farm or orchard that cider brings, so the cider as a category has these very positive associations, which frankly seem to link pretty well to some of the other things going on in people's consumption patterns about natural, gluten-free, and things like that. I think as we look forward, one, I would note that cider is probably 1% of the beer business in the U.S. right now, and either depending on the data you look like other very developed cider markets are anywhere from 5% of beer to10% of beer, so those are markets perhaps that have had a longer history of cider, but that would suggest that there's a good pathway there in the U.S. at least to get beyond 1% of beer. I think, two, the category has been through this incredible explosion, and maybe we're just seeing a little bit of the trial rejecter sort of walking away, and we don't really have a good data on that to suggest that that's true, but that's certainly possible. And then the other thing would seem to be that ciders are a sweet, the U.S. palate is sweeter than perhaps some of the international palates. And certainly the other things that exploded this summer in the root beer space are also very sweet, so we think that there's something to play there, but again it's hard to tell, and we haven't got firm data from shopper studies or anything like that, to say that's real, but those seem to be us to be reasonable causes. So we think with the number one brand, and the market share that we have, we have a responsibility to educate people on cider. There's certainly some drinker confusion as to cider versus, for instance, Redd's Apple Ale. And we think there's opportunities there to educate people what is gluten-free and what actually has fermented apples. So if you were to think about all of the apple flavored alcoholic beer-like drinks that are out there, then you would actually get to a category that's already at 1.5% of beer, and I think it's up to us as grand stewards and communicators, to make sure that our drinkers have the opportunity to drink fermented apples, rather than apple flavored malt beverages.