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Seacoast Banking Corporation of Florida (SBCF)

Q4 2014 Earnings Call· Wed, Jan 28, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to the Seacoast Fourth Quarter and Yearend Earnings Conference Call. My name is Christine and I will be the operator for today's call. [Operator Instructions]. Please note that this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the call over to Mr. Dennis Hudson. You may begin.

Dennis Hudson

Analyst

Thank you very much and welcome to the Seacoast fourth quarter conference call. Before I begin as always I direct your attention to the statement contained at the end of our press release regarding forward-looking statements. During our call we'll be discussing certain issues that constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Securities and Exchange Act and as a result our comments are intended to be covered within the meaning of that act. The earnings release and slides that go along with this call are also posted on our website SeacoastBanking.com and they can be found under presentations. With me today is Chuck Cross who heads up our Commercial Business banking line and Chuck Shaffer who heads up our Consumer and Small Business banking line and also with me today is Bill Hahl, our CFO as well as David Houdeshell, our Chief Credit Officer. We ended the year with a great quarter capped by the acquisition of BANKshares which closed in the beginning of the fourth quarter. The acquisition combined with strong growth from our legacy franchise generated a 27% increase in fourth quarter adjusted profits compared to the preceding quarter. The acquisition also contributed 33 out of the 39 basis points because with the acquisition as well as some growth 33 out of the 39 basis points in net interest margin expansion on a sequential quarter basis. And the acquisition fuels the momentum -- adds to the momentum we've been generating over this past year. Our loan pipelines remain very strong generating this past year 12% year-over-year growth in our loan portfolio and our customer growth rates as well as product penetration within our customer base is quite exciting. We believe we've only scratched the surface on the growth in our markets. Overall, the fourth quarter revenues grew…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. Our first question comes from Stephen Scouten from Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead.

Stephen Scouten

Analyst

A question on the expenses. One clarifier, the $1.1 million in Q1 is that a gross number or is that an annualized figure?

Dennis Hudson

Analyst

That is the impact in Q1.

Stephen Scouten

Analyst

In Q1, great. Okay, any other large scale expense cuts or anything? Any further plans that aren't reflected yet in the run-rate apart from one off type expense saves from here?

Dennis Hudson

Analyst

Nothing that we are prepared to talk about I would say at this point. I think the key as you look at this quarter is to focus on our adjusted pretax pre-provision earnings and look at the trend and the trend begins to reveal the impact of the expense cuts we announced last quarter and the prior quarter. And as you know, we've disclosed the $1.1 million of further impact that we'll have in Q1. So if you take our adjusted pretax pre-provision number, add $1.1 million, you see a pretty incredible trend developing into Q1 on a pretax pre-provision basis. And also confusing this quarter with a higher tax rate and that tax rate goes down next quarter. I guess the other thing to think about is we booked a provision this quarter, a small provision this quarter and our linked quarter number was actually a recapture. All of that gets more clearly reflected and pulled out if you look at it on a pretax pre-provision.

Stephen Scouten

Analyst

And that probably leads to a good follow-up there. You have still low charge-offs but charge-offs as opposed to net recoveries on the 14 basis point the charge-offs. What do you expect to see moving forward and how do you think about the provision relative to those expectations as well?

Dennis Hudson

Analyst

I think we're thinking that the -- David you want to answer that? I think charge-offs are likely to remain fairly contained and growth probably is the driver right?

David Houdeshell

Analyst

Yes, exactly Dennis. Good morning. The charge-offs are about settled to where they are, they were getting back to more normal times pre-recession and whatever provision and expense we would be contributing in the near-term would stem from loan growth where we see across the franchise.

Stephen Scouten

Analyst

Okay, so could we estimate something like 1% provisioning on new loan growth? Is that a good way to think about it?

Dennis Hudson

Analyst

That's probably pretty aggressive but --

Stephen Scouten

Analyst

Okay, fair enough. And then one last question, obviously, you guys have been growing impressively on the loan book and the Accelerate initiative has really delivered fairly quickly I would say and 15% organic growth in Q4 off of 16% in Q3. So what do you think is a sustainable growth rate for you guys especially with that strong commercial pipeline?

Dennis Hudson

Analyst

Well, you asked the question, right? I think we are -- Chuck, it would be interesting what you would say, but I would say probably our goal is to keep that up. I don't think we're looking at higher growth for example, but we'll see.

Chuck Cross

Analyst

The mathematics of it we're working off a larger book, but with the Florida economy continuing to improve and with our execution continuing to improve and our pipeline we think we're going to see continued nice growth for the foreseeable future.

Dennis Hudson

Analyst

And one of the reasons we're more confident about that statement today than we would have been even six month ago is which I said last quarter is that we've now seen robust growth in the early stages of our pipeline as well as the more mature part of the pipeline. And that total number which is quite large right now has been sustained over several months. So as we look ahead it is suggesting to us that the growth rate we produced recently plus or minus is sustainable for the foreseeable future.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Scott Valentin from FBR Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Scott Valentin

Analyst

Just with regard to a fuel prices have come down quite considerably over the past call it, six months. Just wondering if you're seeing that in your numbers both in consumer credit if you're seeing any improvement there and also do you expect more activity on the loan side, on the consumer side due to lower fuel prices?

Dennis Hudson

Analyst

Probably way too early to make that kind of a call, but it's certainly a help. Consumers are certainly in better shape and at least for now and I would say Chuck Shaffer, we're seeing really good growth in the consumer area right now.

Chuck Shaffer

Analyst

We still see continued demand for consumer product that's increasing. It's increased substantially over the last four quarters. So it's hard to say what the long-term impact of the lower fuel types will be on interest rates and the like, but for the moment it's definitely a benefit and we continue to see demand for consumer product.

Dennis Hudson

Analyst

But I would say none of that improvement is due to fuel price. It's due to better execution on our part across the franchise and just a general improving economy, think lower unemployment. Think better more positive outlook over the last particularly six months on the part of the consumer that we see kind of back in spending again, doing home-improvements, things like that are the greater drivers that we see anecdotally every day.

Chuck Shaffer

Analyst

The other thing that's impacting the demand there is the continued rise in home values and the local markets that help our consumer base.

Dennis Hudson

Analyst

In fact, that's been a huge impact on us as home prices have come back and people have been able to right size their homes and move forward with their lives, that's been a big impact. Even on the residential area.

Scott Valentin

Analyst

So from a home value perspective just in terms of consumer confidence you think it's had a been impact as opposed to extracting equity?

Dennis Hudson

Analyst

Yes.

Scott Valentin

Analyst

Okay. And then, on non-interest income, you obviously had a big bump, almost $1 million in the quarter. Just wondering where else you see opportunities on the non-interest income side to grow that?

Dennis Hudson

Analyst

I think the primary driver would be continuing to grow our overall customer base.

Chuck Shaffer

Analyst

Yes, the biggest impact on the non-interest income is to continue to grow households. We see that there is obviously a direct correlation between the fees associated with the deposit base, both service charges as well as our well fees. If we bring more households through the pipeline we see the expansion of that into the other business line. So continued growth of the overall customer base is probably the biggest driver of the continued fee growth.

Dennis Hudson

Analyst

And we've seen some improvement in spending that hits our interchange fees that we have there and we have lots of activities underway in that area to better benefit from some of the growth we're seeing in household. I would say that also the mortgage fees we're looking at better mortgage production starting out this quarter but we'll see how the quarter develops.

Chuck Shaffer

Analyst

I'll add to that too. One of the things we put in place over the last 12 to 18 months is more focused on cross sell and account execution as well as a follow-on cross sell offerings for BR marketing area and so, one of the things we focused on is getting deeper penetration into the customer base and that's escalated into additional fees as well.

Dennis Hudson

Analyst

And the timing for this and for those activities that Chuck mentioned is really important because two and three years ago, I'm not sure how successful we would have been given kind of the hunkered down attitude that our customer base and consumers in general were feeling, but we're there now as they're coming out of their shells spending more and more opportunities for us than we're seeing some actually pretty shockingly good success as we better execute going forward.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Taylor Brodarick from Guggenheim Securities. Please go ahead.

Taylor Brodarick

Analyst

I think three for me. On the margin, Denny, do you think assuming you give up a little bit this quarter per your comments is that assuming sort of this where rates have been in the last month or so, are you assuming sort of a worst case base stay there for the next quarter?

Dennis Hudson

Analyst

Yes, absolutely. There is no change at all in the rate environment. It is very low environment as you know. Just with what happened let's say, over the last three or four months. We're assuming it stays that bad or worse as we go forward when we made that statement. But you had a comment?

Bill Hahl

Analyst

Yes, I think the acquired loan portfolio is quite short as well and it did have a nice yield to it and so as we see that portfolio renew at lower rates and so forth that puts a little pressure on the margin.

Dennis Hudson

Analyst

Right, and the context is the next longer term, as Bill said, it was short. A lot of bare ripple rate, that’s sort of thing as well but that's in the context of the next several quarters there will be some sort of consistent downward pressure coming out of that book. Excuse me and by the way, that's offset by the growth. So you kind of put all of those dynamics together and what we're seeing is a few basis points potentially unless we see rates move back.

Taylor Brodarick

Analyst

And I think just thanks for the color on the macro picture in Florida. That movement, either population in migration or increased economic activity, is that uniform across the footprint or is there any better pockets of growth in your market?

Dennis Hudson

Analyst

I would say generally speaking some of the Metro areas that we're recently focused on the last two or three years have been leading the state out of that. Would you agree, Chuck?

Chuck Cross

Analyst

Totally agree. I think the Metropolitan areas are getting the growth above the non-metropolitan areas.

Dennis Hudson

Analyst

And probably the number one fastest to recover obviously is South Florida and that affects our recent investments Fort Lauderdale, Boca and South but it's also bleeding up into Palm Beach and the Treasure Coast really helping us in those core markets where we have so much market share. And then the number two market for sure in Florida in terms of recovery has got to be Orlando and the acquisition in our prior legacy franchise up in Orlando is really starting to benefit.

Taylor Brodarick

Analyst

I think last one for me, just a minor one, another nonrecurring items going forward. Anything to model or just assume?

Dennis Hudson

Analyst

I could honestly say that we can guarantee you there are going to be very few if any adjustments in Q1. We will have a very, very clean quarter in Q1. We'll have another $1.1 million of expense reduction that we will carry forward into Q1 and a lower tax rate at a much more -- it will be our first really solid quarter I would say coming out of everything with very solid clean results in Q1.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. We’ve a follow-up from Stephen Scouten from Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead.

Stephen Scouten

Analyst

If no one else has any more questions I'll jump in with another. I was curious on these securities investments that you noted in the release. I think you said the approximate life was about 6.5 years. What's the thinking there, I guess? Are you believing that rates are maybe lower for longer and is that a longer life than you would normally invest in at this point in time? Or can you give me any color around that ideology?

Dennis Hudson

Analyst

Well Stephen, those are uncapped floating rate investments that we added and So the 6.5 years is kind of as far as interest rate risk component is really not a factor if that's what you're getting at.

Stephen Scouten

Analyst

That answers my question perfectly and then maybe Denny, one other thing just on the M&A front. Obviously, you got this deal closed and it's been already seems to be a nice benefit and something you're excited about. But how are you thinking about further M&A from here and can you give any color to the amount of activity or discussions that are ongoing as well as maybe pricing conditions?

Dennis Hudson

Analyst

I would just say that this was a very important acquisition for us to get behind us. It pushed us ahead very nicely. It was moderately priced. It's producing better results than we expected and we're very pleased with it. I would say our focus right now Stephen, is on one thing and one thing only and that is getting our earnings up to a far more respectable level which we think comes next quarter and improving the quality of earnings. And I think as you look at this quarter and adjust for the one-timers that we described, underlying all of that is a much higher quality earnings even in Q4. That's going to be very evident in Q1 as all of that moves forward without all of that noise into Q1 and so it's improving earnings. It's improving the quality of earnings and getting us much better visibility and then as we get back out into deeper I would say into this year with much higher quality, much better and much higher earnings. You know then we'll just have to see. I think we'll be in a more competitive position from a shareholder perspective to think about those kinds of opportunities. But we have some ground to make up here very quickly as our earnings now shift into very clean clear earnings starting in Q1. So that's our focus right now and I think it needs to be our focus.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We have no further questions at this time.

Dennis Hudson

Analyst

Okay, well thank you very much for your time today. We look forward to reporting much better results even in Q1. Thank you.