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Operator

Operator

Hello. And welcome to the Ayro Second Quarter Financial Results Conference Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] Please note, today's event is being recorded. And now I would like to turn the conference over your host today Jordan Darrow. Mr. Darrow, please go ahead.

Jordan Darrow

Analyst

Thank you. And welcome to the Ayro second quarter 2020 financial results conference call. With me today are Rod Keller, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Curtis Smith, Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, I'd like to remind you that statements made in this conference call concerning future revenues, results from operations, financial position in markets, economic conditions, estimated impact of tax reform, product releases, new industry partnerships, impacts of the COVID-19 pandemic, and any other statements that may be construed as a prediction of future performance or events are forward-looking statements which involve known and unknown risks, uncertainties and other factors which may cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied by such statements. These factors include uncertainties as to the impacts from the COVID-19 pandemic, along with expect to recovery efforts within the supply chain and among our customer base and sales channels, levels of orders, ability to record revenues based upon the timing of product deliveries, market acceptance of new products, changes in economic conditions and market demand, pricing and other activities by competitors and other risks, including those described from time to time in the company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, press releases and other communications. The accuracy and completeness of forward-looking statements should not be unduly relied upon, Ayro was under no duty to update any of these forward looking statements. We will discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures today, including adjusted EBITDA, the earnings release and the presentation for today's call are available at ayro.com and include full reconciliations of each non-GAAP financial measure discussed to the nearest applicable GAAP measure. Now, I would like to turn over the call to Rod Keller, CEO of Ayro.

Rod Keller

Analyst

Thank you very much, Jordan. I am really excited to be speaking with all of you today on our first quarterly earnings conference call as a public company. We have posted slides on our website this morning to accompany the presentation for you to look at. I will not be prompting you through the slides, but feel free to scroll through them, as I take you through our update. Being that this is our first quarterly call as a public company, I'm going to provide some background information on the company, who we are and how we got here, to go along with what we achieved and what we were setting out to do here at Ayro. We went public through a business combination with DropCar effective May, 28 of this year. This event allowed us to instantly begin trading on NASDAQ the following day. This was not our initial plan to become public when I joined the company three years ago as CEO, but it led us to accomplishing our goal in a very successful way. We had and still have had an incredible runway with some of the best designs in the industry for purpose-built, low speed electric vehicles, which are supported by a supply-chain with a vested interest in our future. The major challenge until recently was financing and clearly previous capital constraints and then the COVID-19 pandemic had an effect on our revenue ramp and progress as we work through the first half of 2020. As part of our CFO, Curtis Smith remarks, he will detail our equity issuances since becoming public and our overall capitalization structure. The net result of these deals is that we are now well-capitalized for the foreseeable future. And as of the end of July, we have about $30 million in…

Curtis Smith

Analyst

Thank you, Rod, and a good day to everyone. I'd like to first start off by providing a review of our public market activity. On May 28, we completed our business combination with DropCar and subsequently were listed on NASDAQ under the ticker symbol, AYRO. The effective conversion price per share was $3.89, which included an exchange ratio of 1.36, three fourth [ph] shares of Ayro into a publicly traded stock which was subject to a one for 10 reverse split, and a one for one stock dividend. The public company changes name to Ayro Inc, and commence trading under the AYRO symbol with approximately $12.5 million basic common shares outstanding. Following the close of the transaction, our ownership structure consisted of 37.7% ownership by a legacy non-affiliated Ayro shareholders, 18.3% ownership on non-affiliated legacy public DropCar shareholders, 33.7% ownership by investors and advisors associated with merger and related funding, and 10.4% by insiders, including our management team and our Board of Directors. Our board consists of select directors from both the legacy Ayro business and from DropCar, as well as another appointed member in connection with a merger. Three members from Ayro, are CEO, Rod Keller, Ayro, Co-Founder Mark Adams, and newly appointed member George Devlin. Members from DropCar included our Chairman Josh Silberman, Sebastian Giordano, Craig Shipman, Zvika Joseph. The merger transaction provided an additional $4.5 million cash on the balance sheet, which left us with a limited liquidity position to execute our business plan. Along with this liquidity position we conducted a series of stock offerings each at a higher price from the prior deal. On June 19, we closed the registered direct offering with certain institutional and accredited investors for an aggregate of 2.2 million shares of common stock. The price per share was $2.50 with…

Operator

Operator

Yes, thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] And the first question comes from Barry Sine with Spartan Capital Securities.

Barry Sine

Analyst

Hey. Good morning, gentlemen.

Rod Keller

Analyst

Morning.

Barry Sine

Analyst

Well, I have a couple of questions for you if you don't mind. First question on your press release, there's a paragraph that talks about your top priorities for the remainder of the year and there's a lot of information in that paragraph. So I want to kind of unpack some of that. So one of the things you talked about is expanding your sales funnel. And I know that 3 – is it 311 or 311 [ph] goes through Club Car dealers, you're going to focus on North America. Maybe we could talk about that process. How many dealers do they have in North America? How many are you in now? And what are the obstacles? What is the pushback when you go to a new dealer and I'm assuming you have to do that process yourself? You resolve [ph] the Ingersoll-Rand does not do that for you?

Rod Keller

Analyst

Thanks, Barry. This Rod Keller, the CEO. No, actually we work closely with Club Car on expanding the dealer base. But to answer your question, let me start by saying, Club Car is the largest manufacturer of golf carts here in the world and in North America and they have 535 locations, but a 167 of those are commercial locations. We signed a contract with Club Car in March of 2019. And we really got moving much quicker with them in September of last year, it is almost 12 months ago. Hired a new head of sales, began working very, very closely with them, began to see our – our funnel begin to ramp and then COVID hit earlier this year, as we all know. We were actually with Club Car all day yesterday in a quarterly business review. And we were more optimistic, as you'll see in the in the coming days, we've won a fairly significant opportunity with a large VA hospital, jointly with Club Car, and we expect to continue to see our demand increase. One of the challenges we're faced with, is that one of the largest segments for our light-duty electric vehicle with Club Car 411, our universities, and that's also one of the biggest segments overall. For Club Car and the challenge we're faced with is we all know what's going on with universities right now. Let me also be clear, the light-duty electric vehicle that we sell through Club Car is the 411 not the 311. 311 is a different product, and we'll talk more about that later. But they show the Club Car 411. We are in about close to half of the commercial dealers right now for Club Car. We're working closely with their Head of Sales, Michael Williams and Brant Mitchell, and Jeff Tyminski, their Head of Marketing to expand that. We really just need to get past this COVID issue and a lot of this pent-up demand we've got we believe will materialize even further.

Barry Sine

Analyst

Okay. And then also in that same paragraph, you talk about looking at additional captive markets, and you're off to a great start with one, with the Gallery partnership and that's food services. I guess the 311 restaurant delivery would be a different type of vertical also in food. Could you talk about the captive markets you're looking at, maybe size some of those, what are the other markets that you guys have on the near term horizon?

Rod Keller

Analyst

Yeah, I mean, we issued a press release not long ago, on the new relationship with Gallery. We expect that to continue. And many of those vehicles that we jointly developed with them are going into sports stadiums, will be going in universities. And we're working on a new vehicle that will complement what many golf courses are using today as gas powered, food and beverage vehicles to work on a vehicle that will complement what some of the golf courses are doing today. And obviously, Club Car is a major player in that space. On the 311 side, we're very excited about that. There's a little bit of a silver lining in COVID. And that is, that the mix of brick and mortar revenue for restaurants versus delivery has accelerated delivery for all the obvious reasons. And we started about a year and a half ago working on our first concept vehicle, the 311, and what we have found is that the opportunity to significantly reduce operating expense for these restaurants by as much as 50% is what we can show them. Because a lot of people don't understand that the aggregators such as DoorDash, Grubhub, Uber Eats, take as much as 30% of the restaurants ticket. When delivery was only a single digit percent of your total revenue, it wasn't that big a deal. But now at 40 to 50% it's having a big bite on their margin, and they're looking to companies like us, and we think we're taking a different approach in the sense, we did not just build a vehicle and then decide to try to deliver food in it, we're taking the opposite approach. We're building a food delivery vehicle. We think we're better positioned than anybody in the market today to go leverage that and some of that's proving to be true in some of the conversations that we're having with many of the large franchisees and even some of the franchise ORS [ph] and company-owned chains as well.

Barry Sine

Analyst

So rod, you talk about cutting costs for them by 50%. In your slide deck, there's an ASP listed for the 311 of around $10,000. Coincidentally, that's about 50% cheaper. There's a very similar or I think, similar competing vehicle out there. That's about double that price. Can you comment on that ASP, do you think you can really hit that number and get out to market in volume with that number?

Rod Keller

Analyst

Well, what we've learned is some of our tests with the first 311 that we developed, is there some additional features we needed to add to it. For example, we're going to move to lithium. It will make it a vehicle it will charge faster, it will extend the range and we're also taking the speed up, we're adding windows, removing the back seat. We're doing a number of things that will enhance the feature set, that are relevant features, and doing so we’ll take the cost up somewhat, but we still expect that we'll still be the leader in delivering a solution to restaurant delivery that is far better than what you're seeing in gas powered vehicles today or from any other EV company that's trying to penetrate that space as well.

Barry Sine

Analyst

Okay. And then your cost of goods sold. Correct me if I'm wrong, I believe you bring in kind of kits from the China market. Could you talk about the impact of tariffs? And specifically where are you sourcing the batteries today? Is that domestic, so you can avoid tariffs are those that coming from China?

Rod Keller

Analyst

No, we bring in - we've got a strategic partner, just outside of Shanghai, who's actually has a financial interest in us. We had a long relationship with them. The founders of our company actually had a relationship with them for almost 10 years. And you're right, we bring kits in semi knockdown, kits that are about 40% of the total vehicle. We are challenged with some of the tariffs. We bring our batteries in from there as well. In fact, you need new batteries in the US today. For all intents and purposes, they're all - even though they may be supplied here in the US, most of that still comes out of China, anyway. But we've got a great relationship with our supply chain there. They help us get to market which is one of the reasons why or faster I'd say, they help us get to market, which is one of the reasons why are faster, I'd say, they help us get to market faster than the most of our customers or competitors can get to. And as a result of that, that's why Club Car likes our relationship, is our ability to - I like to refer to us as the tip of the spear. And help them reach new markets with new solutions faster than they can do it traditionally themselves.

Barry Sine

Analyst

And are you in the 25% tariff schedule for those kits?

Rod Keller

Analyst

Depends on the component. Some components, yes, some are less, some are actually been waived. But yeah, I mean, 25% is not insignificant, but most of the companies that are in the EV space today are facing some of those tariffs coming out of China.

Barry Sine

Analyst

And then if I might ask a couple questions on the financials. So you completed the public company merger transaction on May 28. When we look at the financials in the income statement, it looks like that's a full quarter and that those are all your financials historically, that’s not a partial quarter and that's not their financials historically, not quite sure how that works from a GAAP perspective?

Curtis Smith

Analyst

Yeah, so we – this is Curtis Smith, Barry.

Barry Sine

Analyst

Hey, Curt.

Curtis Smith

Analyst

Good morning. We issued – under an 8-K, we issued our first quarter financials, I believe was June 4 after the merger as required by SEC regulations. Obviously, as I mentioned, the second quarter results we be published here through the next couple days under our 10-Q, this will be our first 10-Q coming out as a public company, so…

Barry Sine

Analyst

But now it is all your financials, and that's…

Curtis Smith

Analyst

Yes, yes. Correct. So what's going to be in our Q is 100% our financials, the Ayro financials. And what was - again what was on the 8-K post on June 4, or June 3, is 100% our financial, so obviously that's where we make the transition over from one set of financials to - or one set of books to the other.

Barry Sine

Analyst

And then, so you just reported I think 286 k in revenue, and obviously that's COVID impacted. Can you talk about the driver of the revenue year-to-date, last year's revenue? You know, one key metric that would be helpful, will be the number of vehicles that's related to, I'm assuming that's mostly 411 [ph] and then or 411 and related accessories?

Rod Keller

Analyst

Yeah, sure. Barry, on average, we had a million in revenues each of the last two years. And we adjusted that for a non-recurring transaction we had in 2018. So I mean, while we don't provide guidance. There were a few weeks where we didn't operate in Q2 of this year due to COVID. No deliveries were made. As a result, we couldn't record any revenues, which like many of our peers, even some of the largest companies in the world retracting their guidance for the year due to COVID and the stay at home orders which we're all dealing with to some degree. That said, the longer term, we believe on one shift with the new facilities that we've got, we could comfortably generate revenues in the $50 million to $100 million range, given the pricing that we expect and the product lineup and roadmap we've got. So how soon we get there is a little hard to say right now. But I think with the plans we've got, we're looking to get there faster as prudently as possible. One of the key things, of course, is expanding our footprint on the four level with Club Car, expanding outside the US, first to Europe then to Asia, and also the launch of our next generation 311, which is underway right now, the development of it.

Barry Sine

Analyst

And if you could help us, I know, you say you don't issue guidance. The forecast for the remainder of 2020, we've got a backlog number. So that's kind of a clue that we can use out there. Seems pretty good, there's obviously a risk factor with COVID universities are a big part of year end markets and they're even shutting down the football program, so they shut down football. I don't know what they're really going to do. But could you talk about how we can think about your 2020 forecast for the rest of the year?

Rod Keller

Analyst

Yeah, I mean, shutting down football in Texas. That's a heresy here. It's hard because we don't know when the pent up demand that we've got is going to be released, so some of that's a function of university, a lot of the cap expenses funded by athletic programs. So like, it's hard for us to give guidance for the balance of the year, even though we've got a significant pipeline, it's hard to predict when things are going to change here. But again, the meetings that we had with Club Car leadership yesterday, lead us to believe that the things are looking better, I think they had expected it to look better as well. And they're optimistic about the future and the applications for this joint solution we developed. But I can't give any guidance, just because we don't know what you know, the impact of COVID long term.

Barry Sine

Analyst

And then speaking about optimism in long-term, without again, without giving guidance, how should investors think about, let's say the next one to five years, you've got a very strong core product, your end markets will come back at some point and then you've got a new product you're going to be going to market with. So how should we think about that? We're trying to understand, what you can do potentially revenue wise, you've given us a revenue number, if you were at full production, but obviously, you've got to sell that production first.

Rod Keller

Analyst

Yeah, I mean, I think if you want to look or if you're talking from an investor's perspective, looking at us, I don't think there's any one better positioned than we are and I'll give you - I'll tell you exactly why. We've given some guidance, I believe, I think it's in our charts, on what we believe our gross margins or what we know our gross margin targets are and that's selling through a major channel partner like Club Car. When you look at some of our competitors, they've chosen a direct-only model, that makes it difficult and how do you service vehicles on a local basis. They decided to pursue their own manufacturing. We don't believe you have to own manufacturing, you just need to have that as an asset and a capability. For example, when you bring a vehicle to replace the solutions they’re using today for restaurant delivery, you can’t only bring a vehicle, you need to bring the entire ecosystem from charging, to service, to financing. And we're working with some partners to bring that entire ecosystem where I think other companies just are thinking that vehicles enough, and it's not. So we've got the leadership and the experience to I think leverage that, understand that and the relationships are already well underway. We're having those conversations, right. I think what you're seeing from this right now is the tip of the iceberg. The relationship before - with Club Car on the 411 is great. We need to COVID to reduce its impact on our current forecast, and we're very, very bullish on the future, as we work toward launching our next generation 311 in the second half of next year.

Barry Sine

Analyst

Operator Okay, thank you. And the next question comes from Michael Fiske [ph] with Colliers Capital.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Hey. Good morning, guys.

Rod Keller

Analyst

Good morning.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Maybe I'll start out with one of the just - a follow up what you just mentioned. In your comments, you also mentioned that a lot of what you're doing is going to be geared towards fleet operators, as opposed to trying to sell to individuals, especially on the 311. But 411 is going to be clearly a fleet product. Give me a sense as to what are the advantages of just selling to fleet as opposed to trying to go through a nationwide, you know, company-owned dealer network?

Rod Keller

Analyst

Well, whether it's company-owned, or whether it's franchise, I mean, if you've got the right relationships, and they've got the brand and support, I mean, I've - in my entire career, I've done it both ways through company-owned and they're not franchises, they're independent businesses. But Club Car has been in business since 58, 62 years. And we work very closely with not just the leadership at Club Car, but the regional managers in the field and the dealers directly. So hope this answers your question. I think it does. But we feel very confident. We work closely with a gentleman named Jeff Miller, who runs all the Strategic Accounts there. And we're excited about the opportunities we've got. And the reason we like fleet [ph] is it's a fewer number of skews, but the opportunities are bigger. And I think some of the companies that are focusing on selling one unit at a time incur a lot more expense. And I think we're very, very well positioned with the approach we're taking and the channel partner that we've aligned with.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Got it. Maybe I can ask also, I mean, you've got a backlog. You've got your newly expanded facility. So let's just say a large order arrived today or another larger order. What number can you churn out today? What number per month or per quarter can you reasonably deliver based on your current hiring, and your current capacity that's actually open today?

Rod Keller

Analyst

Fortunately, for us to expand an additional line, it's only about $80,000 because remember, our vehicles come in, in what's called the SKD, a semi knockdown format to us, it's about $80,000 to add an additional line, with four lines and two shifts on 20 days a month, we could build up to 600 vehicles per month. Now, it would not be difficult for us to expand beyond that based on the availability here. But we're not obviously at that volume yet. But we could easily do today with enough lead time, meaning about 30 days to procure the components. We would not need more than about 30 to 60 days to take our production, not from a capacity perspective, but from a supply side from 200 to 400 to 600.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Got it. And it's great to see that that Ayro is gross margin positive for this quarter, as well as I guess, with the same quarter in the prior year. Not everyone can boast that in the easy [ph] space these days. I'm kind of curious. Do you have any targets you can share or any kind of numbers that you're kind of gunning for once you hit that full capacity in your facility?

Rod Keller

Analyst

Hey, by the way, I'm sorry, I'd like to make that point, you made a good point that we’re gross margin positive, and we're gross margin positive. With an extra step of caution there, with the channel we've got, where some of the competitors that I've looked at, are targeting 20 points of gross margin, selling direct-only. And that's when they get to 10,000 vehicles per year through their factory. We will approach close to 30 points of gross margin, selling through Club Car. And that's with having a national dealer in the field or in the market that can do service as well on all of our vehicles sold. So I know that weren’t your question, if you don't mind asking it again, I'm happy to answer, but I wanted to make that clear differentiation between us and some other companies trying to do what we are.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Sure. I can ask it even in a different way. I guess, perhaps do you expect to reach your full capacity anytime soon, as far as the amount of units per month. And then if you hit that capacity, do you have any kind of target gross margin that you're actually going for today?

Rod Keller

Analyst

Let me let me answer it this way. The value-added business that we do with Gallery is very, very attractive to us. It's attracted to Club Car, because it's at much higher ASP s, and it's much higher gross margins as well. Typically you're either at one end of the spectrum with the other where you're at high volume, low margin transactions, or you're at the other end - the other end of the spectrum where it's lower volume, high margins, very much value-added. And what we sell collectively with Club Car and Gallery is very much that. It's high margins, but the volumes are not necessarily that low, particularly when you look at the fact that universities are now faced with a challenging problem. How do we deliver food and beverage through the tens of thousands of students without cramming them all in university cafeterias? One of the ways they want to do that, is they're looking at our vehicle, some of the largest that I can't mention them yet, but they have placed orders with us through Gallery to take our vehicle and strategically place these mobile hospitality vehicles, strategically around the campus so that now instead of forcing students to go into cafeterias, they can now grab a food and beverage between classes or on their way back to their dorm or off-campus. The size of that opportunity is a little bit hard to gauge because in terms of timing of it, because we don't know when universities are going to be fully back, but we are very, very excited about that, because that could drive revenue significantly, as well as higher margins and we're already forecasting today. Obviously, on the 311 side, the opportunity there is even bigger, because when you look at the size of the restaurants, globally it's almost $400 billion. And many of these restaurants are not happy with the fact they're losing control of the experience of selling food. They don't like the fact that they don't control the data that's collected by the aggregator, rather than collecting themselves. And not to mention the economic impact at higher costs since we’re having to pay the aggregators. So, all aspects of our business have great opportunity in front of them. Again, I said, the restaurant delivery piece is really kind of the silver lining of COVID. And we're working very quickly to finish the development of our next generation 3-wheeled electric vehicle for restaurant delivery. To try to tell you exactly when I think we're going to get to 600 per month. Some of that, again, is a function of how quick we can get past this pandemic we're all face to live with today.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Sure. If I can just ask, I didn't really ask, I wasn't really trying to figure out when, I was just trying to figure out what the gross margins could be once you do hit that full capacity, as far as a percent number, I know its very hard to get the exact time…

Rod Keller

Analyst

Well, I'm going to tell you, it's in excess of 30% and by the way, and that's before we add in any recurring revenue from subscriptions of services that we provide as well. But the hardware alone should be in excess of 30 points.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Got it, perfect. And then do you know offhand whether other vehicle is eligible for the California HVIP voucher subsidy program? I'm not sure if the - if you're vehicles are of the correct size for that or if its just for trucks, but these are commercial vehicles. So I'm curious if you could share if you've learned anything about California subsidies previous?

Rod Keller

Analyst

Yeah. No, that's great question. No that is something we're investigating, such as California, there's other states as well that have started to explore this. So no that is in the works – so check that out as a competitive advantage or so. Now whether that is a process, so stay tuned for more on that.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] And the next question comes from Leonard Dunn [ph] with Mutual Trust Company.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Good morning. I got on the call a little late. I had some problems I had attend to. So is this is asked already. I apologize. But you announced 600 vehicles a month is your capacity. And congratulations on that. But longer term, do you have any idea as to your expected mix of 311 and 411 model production? And then I have a follow up question to that.

Rod Keller

Analyst

Yeah. Let me let me answer it this way. The expectation is we're going to need more than 600 per month as we begin to ramp the 311. As I mentioned, the size of the market is significant. I've reviewed with our Board of Directors, the expectations of sales for the 311 in 2022. That's not something we're giving guidance on right now. But we are already in discussions to how we can meet the incremental demand well above 600 vehicles per month when we launch the next-generation 311.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. And looking nearer term because got to focus on the near term to get to the long term, given that we're mainly producing 411, now what kind of production rate could target [ph] coming out of this year, 50 a month, 100 a month, 200 a month?

Rod Keller

Analyst

Well, I'll answer it this way. The capacity capability we have today and through 2021 for building the 411 here in Round Rock, Texas, will support our budget for the balance of 2020 and all the way through 2021. We are always having conversations with potential partners to help us expand our capacity in the event we need that. But again, fortunately because we take semi knockdown kits from our strategic partner and our supply chain, it is not hard for us to expand that capacity, as I said, because we're doing assembly, not true automobile manufacturing here in Austin.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. No, I understand how it's set up and everything looks very promising. I was just trying to get a handle in my mind on the near term. And okay, it all seems to make sense. I'm glad you're looking at this in a very practical way. And not just to find the sky [ph] Thank you very much for your hard work and what you've accomplished so far.

Rod Keller

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And the next question comes from Melissa Fisher with Clinton Capital. [ph]

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Yes, thank you. You talked about street legal. But can you explain what this means for the 411 and 311?

Rod Keller

Analyst

Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up. Thank you for the question, because there was something in my comments, it was actually not correct. And I want to correct that now. We referred to the 311, or I did in my comments is a low speed vehicle, it is not a low speed vehicle. So to answer your question, specifically, let me describe the difference. The 411 is a low speed vehicle and what low speed vehicles mean in all 50 states is that it is legal to drive on any public street or road up to 25 miles per hour, but only with posted speed limits of 35 miles per hour or below. That is the designation of a low speed vehicle in all 50 states. So again, let me just repeat that, the 411 is a street legal vehicle, you can drive it up to 25 miles per hour on any public road, but only on public roads with published speed limits of 35 or less. Now the 311 is not - it's a strict legal vehicle, but not a low speed vehicle. The current version of that will run up to 50 miles an hour for a 50 mile range. The next generation 311 we're working on now, some of the enhancements will be greater range, faster charge time and more speed, closer to 60 to 65. But I don't want to - I don't want to give away too much of what the specs on our next vehicle will look like, so our competitors don't get too much of a look under the sheet so to speak.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And the next question comes from Jeff Daniels with Red Sparrow Capital [ph]

Rod Keller

Analyst

Hi, Jeff.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Hi, good morning. And thanks, Rod and Curt. We have one question, all other topics have been addressed? Who are your primary public and private competitors and any other comments on your business model and benefits to customers that differentiate you from competitors? Thanks.

Rod Keller

Analyst

Yeah, it's a good question. Let me answer it two ways. Where we have the greatest success in our 411 with Club Car. In the Club Car we tell you the same thing is we replace a lot of gas powered vehicles. In fact, our light-duty electric truck that marketed on the Club Car 411. When you compare it to for example, I'll take the entry level Ford F-150 or Ford Ranger, our cost of operating is about 49% less, and CO2 emissions there is anywhere between 67% and 100% reduction when compared to a gas powered vehicle. Now that's not – the question you asked, who we compete against on a public basis. Arcimoto is - you could look at them as a competitor, we don't really look at them as much of a competitor. They've done a good job of marketing their company. I think one of the challenges they're faced with, is that they chose a direct only model. I've listened to earning call - earnings calls much like you probably listen to this one, and at 20 points of gross margin and 10,000 vehicles to get to that 20 points of gross margin, and a direct only strategy, we think we're in a better position because of the partner we've got like Club Car and the fact that we're already well above 20 points of gross margin today and that's what the extra steps through a channel. So I - and Electra Meccanica is an interesting vehicle, the solo product, which is the single passenger with speeds up to 85 and range of a 100 miles, interesting, might be successful in the HOV lane in California. Interesting product, but we don't really compete against them either. But you asked what other public companies and I think we're compared from a market cap perspective to those two companies probably the most. But in terms of what customers really look at in the marketplace, we're primarily compared against internal combustion, you know, gas options, rather than electric.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And the next question comes from Evan Greenberg with London Capital [ph]

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Hello. Just one question in many parts, like, back to school. Partnering with Ingersoll’s Club Car for distribution certainly would seem like a competitive advantage for you. First, can you comment how the partnership in particular for debt [ph] and provide some details of the dealer network and order flow that you’ve seen compared to, what you expected in compared to where you envision it? Also, one of the kinds of partnerships or relationships will you be possible looking to add in the mix?

Rod Keller

Analyst

Yeah, great question. And I encourage you guys to reach out to Club Car and you can ask the same questions, I think they will give you very similar answers. Club Car is very excited about our relationship and we are as well, I know that sounds a little like mom and apple pie. But one of the challenges we were faced with initially, was that a golf cart, is a golf cart, is a golf cart. Its not – there is not as much of learning curve in learning from one generation golf cart to the next one. But for dealers who have never sold street legal vehicles, like 411, it’s a little bit of learning curve. And we’ve addressed that working closely with not just leadership at Club Car, but with the leadership on the sales side, the leadership on their strategic accounts, the regional manager in the field and the dealers themselves. And we begin to ramp very quickly, as I said earlier, and then COVID hit in the late Q1 of this year and it slowed things down. But, we are very, very pleased with that relationship. We plan to expand our relationship to Europe next year with them and we’re looking at other solutions best [ph] as to consider for Asia as well. So the relationship in the US is very strong. We’re doing the right things to expand it and as I said, just not domestically, but also to EMEA and APAC as well.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And that was all the time we have for Q&A session. I will pass the call back to management for closing remarks.

Rod Keller

Analyst

All right. Thank you, operator. Thank you for all your questions today. I’d like to close the call by thanking all of you for your participation today. We welcome the next opportunity to engage with all the shareholders and perspective investors. In fact, we are likely to be at the LD Micro 500 Virtual Conference on September the 1st and happy to meet with any of you there, if you choose to attend. But until then I hope you all remain safe and protective. I hope you continue to follow Ayro and thank you for your interest in us and we look forward to our next conversations. Have a great day.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today’s presentation. You may now disconnect your lines.