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Sabra Health Care REIT, Inc. (SBRA)

Q2 2017 Earnings Call· Mon, Aug 7, 2017

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the Sabra Health Care REIT Second Quarter 2017 Earnings Conference Call. This call is being recorded. And now I would like to turn the call over to Talya Nevo-Hacohen, Chief Investment Officer. Please go ahead.

Talya Nevo-Hacohen

Management

Thank you. Good morning. Before we begin, I want to remind you that we will be making forward-looking statements in our comments and in response to your questions concerning our expectations regarding our pending merger with CCP, our acquisition and investment plans, our expectations regarding our financing plans and our expectations regarding our future results of operations. These forward-looking statements are based on management’s current expectations and are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially, including the risks listed in our Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2016 and in our Form 10-Q that was filed with the SEC yesterday as well as our earnings press release included as Exhibit 99.1 to the Form 8-K we furnished to the SEC yesterday. We undertake no obligation to update our forward-looking statements to reflect subsequent events or circumstances and you should not assume later in the quarter that the comments we make today are still valid. In addition, references will be made during this call to non-GAAP financial results. Investors are encouraged to review these non-GAAP financial measures as well as the explanation and reconciliation of these measures to the comparable GAAP results included at the end of our earnings press release and the supplemental information materials included as Exhibits 99.1 and 99.2 respectively to the Form 8-K we furnished to the SEC earlier yesterday. These materials can also be accessed in the Investor Relations section of our website at sabrahealth.com. And with that, let me turn the call over to Rick Matros, Chairman and CEO of Sabra Health Care REIT.

Rick Matros

Management

Thanks, Talya and good day to everybody. I will start off by discussing some of the salient points of the CCP acquisition and then I will move on into our earnings for the quarter. And after that, I will kick it over to Harold Andrews, our CFO, who will talk about balance sheet and other items related to the quarter, and then we’ll go to Q&A. So again, I appreciate your time today. So in terms of the CCP acquisition, from our perspective, this creates a much more balanced portfolio that we currently have with one tenant that’s oversized, given our size and even on the CCP side, with the couple of tenants that give them tremendous overexposure as well. It diverts by that tenant base and decreases concentration from our top 5 tenants, specifically. The deal has delivered significant value creation and cash flow accretion that provides the potential for a near-term dividend increase. It provides $20 million of synergies. It improves the cost of capital within our anticipated ratings improvement to investment grade, and it increases the scale of the company with the anticipated credit agreement, which we’ll talk about in a little bit more detail as well. We have a solid track record, both in the skilled space and in the senior housing space, both from a REIT perspective and then for 30 years prior to that on the operating space. Both our management team and our board have experience in this space, the skilled space, as well as other spaces within the health care sector, both from a REIT perspective and on the operating side of the business as well. Sabra has increased our skilled nursing EBITDAR coverage over the last few years and coverage is again up this quarter, and we’ll talk about the specifics…

Harold Andrews

Management

Thanks, Rick. And I will just dive right into the financial performance for the quarter. For the three months ended June 30, 2017, we recorded revenues and NOI of $64.7 million and $60.3 million, respectively, compared to $74.2 million and $72.8 million for the second quarter of 2016. Excluding $14.5 million of interest income related to the Forest Park loan investments in 2016, NOI increased 3.4% year-over-year. We had our first full quarter of operations with our portfolio of 11 managed properties, 9 of which were transitioned from the triple-net lease structure in the first quarter of 2017. During the quarter, our managed property portfolio generated NOI of $2.4 million, with occupancy of 89.7% and an operating margin of 35.2%. FFO for the quarter was $31.1 million and on a normalized basis was $36.4 million or $0.55 per share, normalized to exclude $5.9 million of CCP merger-related costs; $0.9 million of lease termination fee income from Genesis; and $0.3 million of provision for doubtful accounts and loan losses. This normalized FFO compares to $39.8 million or $0.61 per share of normalized FFO for the second quarter of 2016, which included $0.09 per share of interest income on the Forest Park loans. AFFO, which excludes from FFO expense acquisition pursuit costs and certain non-cash revenues and expenses, was $36.1 million and on a normalized basis was $35.2 million or $0.53 per share, normalized to exclude the $0.9 million of lease termination fee income from Genesis. This compares to normalized AFFO of $38.4 million or $0.58 per share in the second quarter of 2016, which also included $0.09 per share of interest income on the Forest Park loans. For the quarter, we recorded net income attributable to common stockholders of $18 million compared to $34.9 million for the second quarter of 2016.…

Rick Matros

Management

Yes. So just one other point I want to accentuate on the repositioning, and that is, it isn’t just about improving the rent coverage, which we know has a positive effect on how the stock is traded. But when operators are struggling on a month in and month out basis to make the rent, they’re not reinvesting in their business the way they need to. And because we know a lot of these operators and we’ve spent some real quality time with them since the deal has been announced, this increased room that they’re going to have, from a rent coverage perspective, is going to allow them to run their business and reinvest their business with a lot more mobility than they have had previously. So that’s a critical component that shouldn’t be overlooked. And with that, why don’t I turn it over to Q&A?

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] At this time, we will take our first question. This will be from Juan Sanabria with Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Hi, this is Kevin here with Juan.

Rick Matros

Management

Hey, how are you?

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

I just had a question, looking at Holiday. So we know that your tenant coverage was flat for Holiday for the quarter, but we have also seen kind of your peers show, I guess, declining RIDEA NOI. In particular, New Senior Investment Group had a decline in RIDEA and Holiday is a major tenant for them. So, I just wanted to see if you guys have seen any underperformance or operational kind of mishaps with Holiday, especially given their position and management teams?

Rick Matros

Management

Yes. So the answer is no, we haven’t seen it. I am not familiar with the portfolio that you are referring to. And obviously, we have a triple net portfolio, not a RIDEA portfolio with Holiday, but the EBITDAR margins of the Holiday portfolio have been pretty steady at 39% to 40% since we have acquired the portfolio. So, those are extremely healthy margins. And what’s really admirable about Holiday is, as you probably know, if you are covering that other company that they have gone through a major change in the model going from their sort of live-in manager model, to more of a traditional EB model at the local level, which we think is important for them to get to. And so that’s been – it’s a pretty tough transition to change your model that’s been in place for years and years and that transition’s occurred over the last year. And the fact that they’ve been able to go through that kind of major shift in their operating model and have actually maintained their margins has been pretty admirable, as I said. So we think the management team is great there. We talk to them on a regular basis. We have our guys out in the field taking a look at what they’re doing and interacting with their operators on the ground. And so yes, whatever is happening in that portfolio is specific to that portfolio and not reflective of all portfolio nor do I think it’s reflective of Holiday across the board.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Alright, thank you.

Operator

Operator

At this time, we will take a question from Chad Vanacore with Stifel.

Chad Vanacore

Analyst

Thanks for taking the question.

Rick Matros

Management

Hi, Chad.

Chad Vanacore

Analyst

Hey, just catching up on the Genesis dispositions expected in 3Q, what was the cap rate and the expected dollar amount there, is 9%ish still the right assumption?

Harold Andrews

Management

Yes, that’s right. So, in terms of the credits – the rent credits that we are going to give them were negotiated. And so it’s not necessarily indicative of the rent credits they are going to get. The rent credit is somewhere around $14 million, but what we are seeing, as buyers underwrite the portfolio, it’s right around 9% cap rate.

Chad Vanacore

Analyst

Alright. And then the expectation is the balance of the portfolio goes in, in 4Q at about the same rate?

Harold Andrews

Management

The balance of the 33 – this is the 21, yes, we have actually – we have made a lot of progress on – we have got the 21 that we are under contract to sell. And then the other 12 or 13 properties, several of them are under contract. A couple of them just got into the market. We are seeing very consistent pricing across that portfolio from a cap rate perspective.

Chad Vanacore

Analyst

Alright. Good. So then shifting gears to the CCP merger, there has been some, let’s say, shareholder objections. If you had to tell investors why it’s a good deal and mitigate some of the objections, what would you say?

Rick Matros

Management

Well, I think we have put a couple of PRs out in our investment presentation and addressed some of those points earlier. But I would say a couple of things briefly. We know the space. We know the CCP operators. We know what it’s going to take to reposition them, so that they’re healthier and they have the room to invest in their business the right way. We love the scale and diversity that this gives us. As you know, every time Genesis blinks, we take a hit. Genesis’ misguidance last year that wasn’t even material, and their year-over-year earnings were actually flat or slightly up, but we took a 20% hit. And so we’ve worked really hard to expand the size of the company and get the exposure down so that we can get to investment-grade. This gets us there very quickly. And last year, I think we showed some real discipline. We did only – we did $165 million in investments last year, which is the lowest level that we’ve done since inception, and that was because the price dislocation was so great on the senior housing side. We wanted to demonstrate to the market that we were disciplined enough not to do deals just to get deals done to get the Genesis exposure down. So, just as we didn’t do that then, we’re doing this now because we know that this is the right thing to do for our shareholders, and this will create long-term value. Getting the credit facility just reinforces that, as I’ve said and as Harold said. And so the size of the credit facility is going to allow us to compete better for deals. And we are being shown deals since the announcement of the CCP deal that we hadn’t seen before and…

Harold Andrews

Management

And Juan, I would just add a little bit to that around the rent repositioning and all the noise around the quality of the portfolio. We’ve now spent a lot of time with a lot of the operators, looking at the portfolio – looking at their operations. And I think Care Capital said this a lot in their prior earnings calls that their coverages in some – in many cases are low, but these business, in many cases, have ancillary businesses that supports their – that overall provide profitability. So even though their rent is low, their coverage is low, those operations in those facilities provide a lot of profitability to their ancillary businesses. And so they are not at risk for not paying their rent, in many cases. It’s really just a matter of the optics and rent coverage is such an important measure that we understand the optics need to be there but it’s not a repositioning that we have to do. Otherwise, they are not going to pay rent in many cases. In many cases, it is improving the OpEx and creating a portfolio that we feel very comfortable with that they can reinvest in, but not necessarily something that we’re sitting here saying we’ve got to hurry up and cut rents or they’re not going to be able to make their rent payments.

Rick Matros

Management

And the beauty of this deal is that it’s so accretive and the synergies are so much more significant than you typically see in a REIT-on-REIT deal, is that we have the ability to reposition these guys so we can report healthier coverage and they have a lot more breathing room to reinvest in their businesses, for those operators that actually truly have tight-reined coverage and don’t have those other sources of income that Harold refers to. And if we had negotiated a deal that didn’t allow us that level of flexibility, we wouldn’t have done it. So we feel really good that we’re going to have a really nice story to tell shortly after this deal closes, with a roadmap and probably a conference call that delineates specifically how much healthier the CCP portfolio is on a go-forward basis under Sabra management.

Chad Vanacore

Analyst

That’s pretty comprehensive answer. Thanks.

Rick Matros

Management

You got it, Chad.

Operator

Operator

We will now move to Rich Anderson with Mizuho Securities.

Rich Anderson

Analyst

Thanks. Good morning.

Rick Matros

Management

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Rich Anderson

Analyst

I think maybe you can answer that question for me. So the CCP Q showed a $26 million termination income from transition to operators. What do you know about that and is it relevant to you and the merger?

Harold Andrews

Management

Well, it’s not relevant to us and the merger. It’s a non-cash pickup. Basically, when they transitioned assets, when they went through the spin-out from Ventas and they booked everything at fair value, they created some lease liabilities on their books. And through GAAP, when you transition to those new operators, you wipe out those and it created a non-cash gain on their financial statements.

Rich Anderson

Analyst

Okay, so not relevant. Okay. So, I don’t think if it’s nothing, it’s not relevant, then it’s not relevant, but I just wanted to make sure it wasn’t anything significant relative to what you are going to have when you come in. Second question, besides buying or not buying CCP, I am curious if there is like an intermediate or kind of a third option, maybe a partial purchase, somebody else comes in and gets involved in buying some of the – is there anything like that, that’s on the table at all or is it really we are buying it or we are not buying it period end of story?

Rick Matros

Management

This is a yes or no answer. So, the answer is no, there is no other alternative. We are buying it.

Rich Anderson

Analyst

Okay, good. That’s all I need. I am trying to get a handle on how this process might go once you have CCP. You talked about rent relief and asset sales and transitions. If there are 100 CCP operators, how many of them do you think need to go away? You don’t need to name names, but is there 4, 10, like how many are going to be non-rent resets and more something else that you do to fix it?

Rick Matros

Management

There is only one operator in the CCP portfolio that we have no interest in doing business with going forward and they are a really small operator. It’s not even rounding, Rich. And the other operator that CCP wants to transition, which is Golden Living, is being transitioned – or has been transitioned, so no other operators. That said, there are operators that we believe need to take a deeper look at their portfolios and consider selling assets within their portfolios, which would relieve some of the pressure they have on them. And in our discussions, we have come to an agreement with a number of those tenants and have given the okay with CCP’s approval for them to enter into LOIs to sell some of those assets. So that process is actually already happening with some of the tenants.

Rich Anderson

Analyst

Okay. To transition away from the merger, how is it that triple-net senior housing has a decline in same-store NOI growth? Do you have some situations where your leases are structured with some sort of revenue sharing component? It’s a net lease, so why did it go down?

Harold Andrews

Management

Because, Rich, that’s where we transitioned those properties up in Canada from a triple-net lease structure to the other structure. So, that’s the managed – so if you look at the managed properties, that’s what that is.

Rich Anderson

Analyst

Okay. What’s the update on NMS? Anything you can add there to that collection of assets in Maryland?

Rick Matros

Management

Sure. NMS, we are transitioning NMS to one of our other longstanding operators and that’s going really smoothly. They have got a lot of cooperation with the NMS operator and with the state of Maryland, so that’s been going as we expected it to go. And actually, it’s really the principal in NMS that’s going away, that sort of got into it with the state and the AG that I know some of you are aware of. The management team at NMS underneath that individual is quite good, and the CEO and the COO are staying on with our other operators. So there is going to be a ton of continuity there from a management perspective and no impact to our rent stream at all.

Rich Anderson

Analyst

Okay. Last question for me, you mentioned at the outset Asian interest, can you kind of give us a little bit more on that? Is it senior housing also? You have Brookdale out there. Everyone is talking about them going away. Just curious if you can give a little bit more color on this Asian interest in your business, a little bit more color on that?

Rick Matros

Management

The interest is in skilled nursing and senior housing. It was initially primarily in skilled nursing, but it’s in senior housing as well. In our case, they seem to be happy to just talk about doing transactions in the skilled nursing space. They certainly indicated interest in doing things with us on the senior housing space going forward. And I think from our perspective, we don’t necessarily want to dilute any ownership in anything we do in the senior housing space going forward because we’re going to continue to expand the senior housing space. But doing deals with them in the skilled nursing space and potentially with some existing assets that we have is certainly something that we are open to because it obviously decreases our exposure, but a high level of interest in the skilled nursing space.

Rich Anderson

Analyst

And do you have any theory on Brookdale that you want to share or is that not something you want to go on record on?

Rick Matros

Management

Yes, but one thing since we are talking about some of these different asset classes, I don’t want to neglect to mention, because it gets short shrift kind of in this whole transaction that everybody’s focused on, and that is the behavioral health acquisition that CCP did. That’s a solid acquisition in maybe the only other space that got a rate increase from CMS and actually had some tailwind behind it. So we remain excited about the behavioral health piece and that operator has some really interesting growth opportunities that we have already indicated to them that we would be happy to be a capital partner on.

Rich Anderson

Analyst

Okay, good enough. Thanks very much.

Rick Matros

Management

Okay, Rich.

Operator

Operator

We will now take a question from Smedes Rose with Citi.

Smedes Rose

Analyst

Hi, thanks. I wanted to ask on the proposed rent cuts that you talked about maybe implementing the $33.5 million. Do you have a sense over time of how much you would be able to potentially recoup of that? You talked about various methods of resetting leases and re-tenanting that maybe you could get back over a multiyear period?

Rick Matros

Management

Yes. We really don’t know. I mean certainly you need a crystal ball for that. And so from our perspective we know all this works despite restructuring as we have said. So anything we get down the road and certainly, there will be some demographic benefits in 2019. Anything we get down the road is just going to be gravy to us, but it’s pretty difficult to quantify, which is why we haven’t taken kind of a shot at doing that, so that everybody can understand that the situation they’re seeing, as we currently presented it, is already a good position to be in. Anything else just makes it even better.

Smedes Rose

Analyst

Okay. The other thing is you talked a little bit about the interest from Asian investors. Have you heard any changes in their ability to get money out of the country, I guess, specifically China, in light of some of the recent media reports that’s been going on? I mean, have you seen anything on that?

Rick Matros

Management

It’s actually interesting to say that, because one of our homes is for – one of my personal homes is for sale and it fell through because she couldn’t get her money out of China, but [indiscernible], so the current buyer has her money in Hong Kong, which apparently is the safer bet. But in terms of the industry, we haven’t heard that there is any issues there. Harold, have you heard it?

Harold Andrews

Management

No, I haven’t.

Smedes Rose

Analyst

Alright. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

We will now move to Eric Fleming with SunTrust.

Eric Fleming

Analyst

Harold, just quick question, I missed it when you said in the prepared comments. There is additional deal financing that you are looking into, but it’s not required. Can you go through that again?

Harold Andrews

Management

Yes, sure. We talked about it early on. Care Capital had a $100 million term loan with Prudential. And so we are still in the process of securing that refinancing basically an amendment to assume that debt. We feel confident we will get there, but we don’t have it finalized like we have the credit facility. And then Care Capital also had a roughly $100 million bridge to HUD and we expect to get that closed as well. It’s just not finalized yet.

Eric Fleming

Analyst

Okay, great. That’s all. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

We will now move to Todd Stender with Wells Fargo.

Todd Stender

Analyst

Hi, fellas. I had a question back to the NMS transition, just from memory, I remember you guys paying a pretty good premium for those facilities. I just wanted to hear maybe more about the credit quality of the tenant and any rent coverage or write-down issues you might face?

Rick Matros

Management

Yes, no write-down issues. We will have a full payment of rent as we’ve had, so there is no issues there. We have one of our best operators that are taking over the 5 NMS facilities, but again, they are retaining most of the management of NMS. So, no degradation in valuation or anything like that. 1 of the 5 facilities is going to be in lease-up mode. So you will see the four other facilities paying what would have been the full rent on the 5. So, it will provide impact obviously our coverage a little, but still be quite healthy as the fifth facility leases up, then that portion of the rent will get moved over to that facility. So really nothing negative here on that transition.

Todd Stender

Analyst

Okay, thanks. And then Harold, you talked about the timing of the 20 Genesis assets being sold as a Q3 event, but what was the – what are the expected proceeds you are expecting?

Harold Andrews

Management

Yes. And it’s actually 21 assets and it will be around $103 million for that tranche.

Todd Stender

Analyst

Okay.

Harold Andrews

Management

That’s a $170 million to $180 million net for everything when everything gets done.

Todd Stender

Analyst

But for timing, for modeling purposes, $103 million for Q3?

Harold Andrews

Management

Yes. It’s going to be right near the end of the third quarter is what we are expecting.

Todd Stender

Analyst

Okay. And then finally, just to clarify, the new credit agreement its contingent upon the merger going through. Is there any chance that the shareholder vote gets postponed for any reason, just with the noise around activists and the ISS statement? Is there any risk to the date being moved at all?

Rick Matros

Management

At this point, we are full steam ahead with our focus on the 15th and that’s it.

Todd Stender

Analyst

Okay, thank you.

Operator

Operator

We will now go to Jonathan Hughes with Raymond James.

Jonathan Hughes

Analyst

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. If you can, could you just talk about the discussion with the board following the activism campaigns and the ISS suggestion yesterday and how that’s progressed since the announcement of the deal on May?

Rick Matros

Management

Well, I can’t talk about – no, I will talk about any discussions or dialogue I am having with our board, but nothing has changed in terms of our view of the deal regardless of ISS’s position. So everything is the same. As far as we are concerned, we think we are doing the right deal for all the right reasons. And as I’ve said, I’ve got board members that have experience in the operating side as well. Our lead director was involved with the discussions at ISS, and he has been in the skilled space as well as other spaces in health care with his private equity fund for decades, literally. So I was fortunate in that, as we started, even early on, assessing this opportunity, to have a board that really understood the business and was able to provide some really good feedback, some good guidance – and asks the hard question and all that kind of stuff. But nothing in terms of the ISS positioning has changed our point on this, as I said earlier. And again, with all due respect to ISS, for them to focus on the fundamentals of the business without having the requisite experience to do that is something that I think is a little odd. And frankly, I don’t believe they do have the experience to do that. Certainly, they have got plenty of experience on governance and things like that, but not on the fundamentals of the business. And so nothing changes for us.

Jonathan Hughes

Analyst

Okay, fair enough. And then kind of switching back to NMS, you mentioned the transition there is ongoing and proceeding as expected. I think I saw that they lost their Medicare and Medicaid license in June. Can you just talk about what’s the reason for that and the impact to coverage there obviously, nothing to your rent stream, but just on the coverage metric basis?

Rick Matros

Management

Yes. So that’s what I mentioned earlier. They have one facility that have been recertified and that is now being recertified under our other operator and will be in lease-up. And so as that facility leases up, there will be some rent attributed to it anyway, but if that facility leases up, it will pull the rent away from the other four that in the meantime, will cover all five. So they will be – their rent coverage has been exceedingly high as you know and it’s because their rent coverage is so strong, they are going to be – the four facilities that are stabilized will be able to cover the rent for the fifth, albeit at somewhat lower coverage, but it’s still going to be healthy coverage. So there is just no issue there as far as we are concerned.

Jonathan Hughes

Analyst

Okay. So that loss of the license was kind of expected as part of the transition?

Rick Matros

Management

Yes.

Jonathan Hughes

Analyst

Okay. Alright. Thanks, guys.

Operator

Operator

At this time, we will move to Tayo Okusanya with Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Tayo Okusanya

Analyst

Yes, good afternoon or good morning over there in Cali. From a CMS perspective, I know they have kind of extended the deadline for comments on the switch of methodology to RCS. Could you just talk a little bit about what you’re hearing from the industry feedback they are giving CMS and how you think things may go? And then could you also talk a little bit about Medicaid rates across the different states you are in. I am sure most of those rates have come in by now for next fiscal year.

Rick Matros

Management

Yes. So, let me – I will take the Medicaid piece first. I think, on an aggregate basis, it’s somewhere around 1.5% or something. It basically is what it’s been, and we didn’t expect anything different. So, if you view that as stable, it’s been stable. It’s a little bit different from state to state, but on an aggregate basis, it’s stable. On the payment reform recommendations, yes, the – so the comment here was delayed at the request of the space. But one of the more important things here to note is that the American Health Care Association has been providing input and working with CMS on this proposal. And I think a lot of what it’s about is to – if you go back to 2006 with RUG score, there was an attempt then to, on a revenue-neutral basis, provide incentives to skilled nursing operators to go after complex nursing patients and not have the entire focus be on short-term rehab, which was really driving up rates on the rehab side, and it’s real low by now. It wasn’t designed well. There was some overpayment. There was a claw back in 2011. So this is, I think, a much more thoughtful attempt to create a system that has incentives for both nursing patients and for rehab patients. We see these notes that come out and they talk about a rate drop, a rate decrease on the rehab side, but they really don’t spend a lot of time talking about everything else. And everything else is just as important because even though it’s revenue neutral, there are real benefits to this space by the existing design. Where we have operators currently that are in states that have specialized Medicaid rates that create an incentive for operators to take complex…

Tayo Okusanya

Analyst

Got it, okay. Alright. That’s very helpful. Just a quick one. On the Medicaid side that there were no – any states that had any big cutbacks that would have you worried?

Rick Matros

Management

No.

Tayo Okusanya

Analyst

Okay, great. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

At this time, we will move to Paul Morgan with Canaccord.

Rick Matros

Management

Hey, Paul.

Paul Morgan

Analyst

Hi, good morning. Just a quick follow-up on NMS. So, I mean if I just try to ballpark, because you had 1.9x coverage in your tenant listing for them. And if one of the assets is closed now and kind of going to be in lease up for the next couple of quarters, I mean, should I just – I mean is there a reason that we wouldn’t think kind of on a pro rata basis that might go down to like a 1.5% or something like that until it’s stabilized again?

Harold Andrews

Management

Yes, you nailed it. 1.5% is the number we are looking at, so really healthy coverage still because of the nature of that particular operator’s business.

Paul Morgan

Analyst

Okay. And then I sort of understood – I thought maybe that there was some dislocation to the other assets as well just because of what was going on with the state. Is that kind of normalized now and things are smoother and the other ones – the audits and things like that?

Rick Matros

Management

So, there wasn’t any dislocation.

Paul Morgan

Analyst

Okay.

Rick Matros

Management

So I am not sure what you heard, but there wasn’t any dislocation. There were audits, for example, by the OIG, but those were traditional Medicaid audits that got done every couple or 3 years. So there was no dislocation in the other facilities. And look, the state wanted to see the principal gone, and that’s in the process of happening. And our other operator who comes from a contiguous date is highly thought of, and has been with us almost since the first big skilled deal that we did back in 2011. And they are one of those operators – I always talk about some operators just are more progressive and more skilled at taking care of very high acuity patients, and this particular operator does bed care, does dialysis and actually operates the largest bed unit in the state that they currently exist in and are the go-to operator in that state for when the state has other issues and they need help from an operator. So we feel really good about that.

Paul Morgan

Analyst

Okay, great. And then just my other question on Genesis and you sort of addressed it, but there was comments from the last quarter about the dilution associated with the sales in the second half, and I think it was like $0.07 to FFO and $0.04 to AFFO. And that – I didn’t lease to see that in the current release and I am just wondering whether basically all pool in terms of any shifts in timing. It sounds like not much has changed really since then. Is the dilution number really about the same, of course, excluding CCP?

Harold Andrews

Management

Yes. It’s going to be about the same. It all comes down to timing and when that hits and you can’t predict exactly when the sales are going to occur nor can you predict exactly the reinvestment of the proceeds, but it’s no change from our original estimates on kind of the ballpark of where this dilution could be.

Rick Matros

Management

And we also want to point out, even though we have talked about it on other calls, that even post the CCP deal closing, with Genesis down to 11% pro forma for those sales, we are in discussions to continue to move forward on selling additional Genesis assets.

Paul Morgan

Analyst

In ‘18?

Rick Matros

Management

In ‘18. In all likelihood, yes, at this point, it would be in 2018. And it provides us an opportunity to not only grow on the senior housing side, but we are – but to the extent that we see some really interesting skilled opportunities out there apart and aside from CCP with operators that we think are really first class, it gives us the opportunity to pursue those opportunities because we know we’re going to continue to divest Genesis. So we’re essentially bringing in new operators to effectively replace Genesis. So from an exposure to the asset class perspective, there may be some timing issues, but it allows us to navigate that and not bypass some opportunities that we think are really good. And as I’ve always said, when you look at our non-Genesis skilled nursing portfolio, these are really good operators with – despite the headwinds, right. We have had our skilled nursing coverage continue to go up, and that’s been happening for a long time. And then, obviously, we’ve got strong occupancy and skilled mix. So the ability to replace Genesis with more of those kinds of operators is appealing. And so having that room to move by selling Genesis assets is something that we will be focused on.

Paul Morgan

Analyst

Right. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

At this time, there are no further questions in the queue. I will now turn it back over to Rick Matros for any additional or closing remarks.

Rick Matros

Management

Thank you all for your time today. I know it’s been a long call. Harold and I as always are available to take additional calls. And to the extent you guys need some input on modeling we are always available for that as well. So we look forward to talking with you. And we have got conference season coming up in September, so we look forward to hearing from you guys in person there. And if we don’t talk to you in the short run, have a great remainder of the summer and have a great day. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

And again, that does conclude today’s conference call. Thank you all for your participation.