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Q2 2011 Earnings Call· Tue, Jul 26, 2011

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Operator

Operator

Greetings, and welcome to the Socket Mobile’s second quarter 2011 results conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer will follow the formal presentation. (Operator Instructions). As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Jim Byers of MKR Group. Thank you Mr. Byers. You may begin.

Jim Byers

Management

Thank you, operator. Good afternoon, and welcome to Socket’s conference Call to review financial results for its 2011 second quarter. On the call today from Socket Mobile are Kevin Mills, President and CEO, and Dave Dunlap, CFO. Socket Mobile distributed its earnings release over the wire service at the close of the market today. The release has also been posted on Socket’s website at www.socketmobile.com. In addition, a replay of today’s call will be available at www.Vcall.com shortly after the call’s completion. And a transcript of this call will be posted on the Socket website within a few days. We’ve also posted replay numbers in today’s press release for those wishing to replay this call by phone. The phone replays will be available for one week. Before we begin, I would like to remind everyone that this conference call may contain forward-looking statements within the meaning of section 27-A of the Securities Act of 1933, as amended in section 21-E of the Securities and Exchange Act 1934 is amended. Such forward looking statements include, but are not limited to, statements regarding mobile computer, data collection and OEM products including details on timing, distribution and market acceptance of products and statements predicting trends of sales and market conditions and opportunities in the markets in which Socket sells its products. Such statements involve risks and uncertainties and actual results could differ materially from the results anticipated in such forward-looking statements as a result of a number factors including, but not limited to, the risk that manufacture of Socket’s products may be delayed or not rolled out as projected due to technological, market or financial factors, including the availability of product components and necessary working capital. The risk of that market acceptance and sales opportunities may not happen as anticipated, the risk that Socket’s application partners and current distribution channels may choose not to distribute the products or may not be successful in doing so. The risks that acceptance of the company’s products and vertical application markets may not happen as anticipated and other risks described in Socket’s most recent form 10-K and 10-Q reports with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Socket does not undertake any obligation to update any such forward-looking statements. Now with that said, I would like to turn the call over to Socket’s President and CEO, Kevin Mills.

Kevin Mills

President and CEO

Thanks, Jim. Thank you for joining us today. Today’s call will begin with a short review of Q2, and then I’ll outline the business opportunities we see for the rest of this year. We are very pleased to be reporting a positive EBITDA result for Q2. This was achieved through a combination of increased revenue, increased margins and reduced expenses. Reaching positive EBITDA is an important milestone on the road to profitability, and is an important step forward for Socket. Pause again with a review of our current handheld computing business, then provide a going forward outlook. Our handheld computing related sales, which include our hand held computers and plug-in barcode scanners, grew to 2.6 million for the second quarter, a 24% sequential increase over the preceding quarter. While this is a significant increase, it was primarily driven by improved supply. As we entered Q2, we reported significant backorders due to an industry-wide lack of LCD screens. During the second quarter, we improved our supply and shipped an additional 1,000 units of our handheld computers. We believe that the supply situation will continue improve this quarter. At the same time, our backlog has continued to grow, reflecting the strong demand we continue to see for the SoMo. Demand continues to be driven by several factors. The improving economy is helping. We are definitely seeing a return of deals that went dormant over the past two years and lead us to reengage with numerous customers, always a good and positive event. We are also seeing increasing benefit from HP’s exit with classic PDA market. We are experiencing a significant increase in calls from current HP, iPAQ customers and resellers looking for an alternative as supplies of the HP iPAQ diminish. We believe we have not yet seen the full positive impact…

Dave Dunlap

CFO

Thank you, Kevin. Our second quarter 2011 revenue was $4.4 million, a 19% increase over second quarter revenue a year ago and a 8% increase over first quarter of $4 million. We entered the quarter with an order backlog of 3.2 million and exited the quarter with an order backlog of 3.4 million. Shipments of our handheld computers for the past several quarters have been limited by the availability of computer screens as the factory producing our screens was acquired last fall for production of Apple screens. We noted on our last management call that screen production would continue to be limited although improving in the second quarter with the shortage significantly clearing up in the third quarter. As Kevin noted, we now have the delivery commitments from our screen supplier to significantly reduce the shortage this quarter and enable us to produce handheld computers in line with customer demand, which has been growing. The increase in revenue to 4.4 million from 4 million in the first quarter and 2.6 million in Q4 of last year, combined with an improvement in margin to 42%, up from 37.5% in Q1, and a reduction in operating cost to 2 million from 2.1 million in the first quarter, all moved in the right direction for us to achieve an EBITDA positive bottom line result of $73,000 for the second quarter. For the non-accountants in the call, EBITDA is earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization, and is a traditional measure of operating profitability. Additionally, growth typically improved our bottom line results. Because Socket builds most of its products through contract manufacturers, higher volumes of shipments can be accommodated by running their lines a bit longer, and the additional contributions generated by higher sales reduces our fixed manufacturing cost as a percentage cost of…

Operator

Operator

(Operator instructions). Our first question comes from the line of Marco Rodriguez from Stonegate Securities. Please proceed with your question. Marco Rodriguez – Stonegate Securities : Good afternoon, guys. Thanks for taking my questions.

Kevin Mills

President and CEO

Thank you, Marco. Marco Rodriguez – Stonegate Securities : Hey, I was wondering if you could discuss a little bit more in regards to your unit shipments this quarter, an additional in [inaudible], just shy of 4,000.

Kevin Mills

President and CEO

That’s correct. Yes. Marco Rodriguez – Stonegate Securities : I believe last quarter you guys were talking about unit shipments of 4,500, that was your supplier – and revenues in the 5 million range. Can you talk a little bit about the dynamics that happened there?

Kevin Mills

President and CEO

Absolutely. So your memory is pretty good there. So we shipped last quarter, 2,900 units and we shipped 3,900 units approximately, say 4,000 units this quarter. And we had targeted to ship and recognize revenue of around 4,500. Due to the late arrival and I would say our continued, you know, delays and deliveries, even by a few days or a week, that last 100 units essentially fell into Q3. So it’s always very difficult because we recognize revenue based on sales out, and therefore – and not only do we have to ship them, but the units must clear the distribution channel before we recognize them as revenue. We did have a number of units that we shipped in the last week that didn’t clear the channel and therefore, weren’t recognized. So I would say our 4,500 was a good guess, but we were still a little bit constrained by the late arrival in the quarter of certain components as well as our shipments. So we fell a little bit short and didn’t really fall on the 4,500 we expected to recognize. The number of units we shipped was actually maybe a little bit higher. I don’t have that directly in front of me. But we probably increased the number of units in the channel probably by another 2 to 300 units. So we were pretty close to the 4,500, but didn’t quite get there. Marco Rodriguez – Stonegate Securities : And you mentioned component shortages. Was there more than just the LCD screens?

Kevin Mills

President and CEO

No, not really. Again, that was a major component shortage. You all would have, oh, I’d say, some of the components showed up a few days late, but it was nothing significant except the LCD screens. Marco Rodriguez – Stonegate Securities : Okay. And then if I understood you correctly, this last 600 units, you’re a bit short on. Did those already ship?

Kevin Mills

President and CEO

Yes. And a lot of them shipped in the last – we had a very busy last week of the quarter, and late June, and some of them actually shipped back then, or early July. But as I mentioned, we only recognize revenue based on sales out of distribution. So you know, generally speaking, that’s a 10-day, 15-day process between us shipping and the distributor receiving, and processing and shipping. It tends to get a little bit compressed towards the end of the quarter because everyone’s looking to make their numbers. But we were just a little bit too late. We shipped a lot in the last four or five days, and some of it just didn’t clear the channel. Marco Rodriguez – Stonegate Securities : Okay. Fair enough. And then I was hoping you could help clarify something for me. When reading your press release, when you’re talking about the LCD supply situation being constrained, it somewhat implies that Q3 will continue to see some of this problem. But in some of your prepared remarks, it kind of implies it’s going to be gone in Q3. Can you help me kind of bridge the gap there?

Kevin Mills

President and CEO

Sure. We strongly believe it will be gone in Q3, but based on the history, I think we remain somewhat cautious. We would like to physically have the screens in our posession before we really say it’s gone. We have been able to get somewhere in the region of 2,000 screens already this quarter. We have pretty firm delivery dates for everything that we need to, I would say, make a major dent in the backlog. But I think we remain a little bit cautious. I think the supply situation is definitely, definitely improving. But you know. We’ve been at this now for nine months. We’ve seen a lot of progress. So if there’s a conflict, I think it’s just the fact that we’re maybe a little bit gun shy. But if we were – we were a little bit too constrained in the press release. But we believe the supply problems are behind us now. And the assurance that we have for Q3 are good, and there’s enough, I would say, slack in the system as to ensure that we have a good number for Q3. Marco Rodriguez – Stonegate Securities : And can you provide an update on your second source for LCDs?

Kevin Mills

President and CEO

Yeah. I mean, we have qualified a second source. The environment has changed a little bit in that the primary supply came back and agreed to manufacture more screens, which we availed at the opportunity. So we know have multi-primary supplier as well as the secondary supplier approved and ready to go. So that’s where we currently are at. Marco Rodriguez – Stonegate Securities : And did they, the manufacturers ship any else [inaudible] in Q2, or…

Kevin Mills

President and CEO

No. No, they did not. What happened was, in late Q2 we got a call back through the – from our supplier who had been unable to supply to say that if a certain number could be ordered, that they would do one last production run. And working in conjunction with the manufacturing partner and other people who use this screen, came up with an acceptable number and placed that order in late June. And the deliveries of that order are supposed to happen in early August. So based on that, and the fact that we’re back with our primary supplier and they’re manufacturing this in the primary factory, and there’s a large order involved, gives us a great deal of confidence that the screens will be delivered. We’ve already seen some screens, so they are being produced. Marco Rodriguez – Stonegate Securities : Okay, that’s helpful. And then the thing, I was wondering if you could talk a little bit more about your cost cutting initiatives. You’ve obviously done a good job in taking some expenses out of the model. I was just wondering if you could put some more color around what of that is kind of sustainable because you talked about salary reductions, reducing discretionary spending, if you could put any kind of color around those numbers as well as when you might see those number comes back up from a historical perspective, I guess.

Kevin Mills

President and CEO

Okay. Well, as I said, there’s a number of things to that question. Maybe Dave can help me out there a little bit. But there’s two parts to your question. One is we made some structural changes, certainly, in late Q4, where the associated cost would not come back into the company. And essentially, we removed an outside sales force and concentrated our sales effort much more inside the building here. I think that reduced our sales costs quite significantly. Then there’s areas where we took – we asked people to take a lower salary or eliminate a variable component as compensation, as well as we have reduced the amount of advertising spending we have done. Those costs will come back in slowly as we reach profitability. We don’t think they’ll be huge, but you know, I would say all tolled they probably account for 5% of our costs. That’s, you know, - so – and then as we grow, we have to add some of the people. We’ve had the organization operating with less than really the optimal number of people. And I think that’s one of the reasons that we’re still here. And certainly, as we get financially a little bit stronger, we will operate a little bit more normal and that will probably add another 5%. But it will only be done in light of achieving growth.

Dave Dunlap

CFO

Yeah, Socket’s largest expense, of course, are it’s people. And we run between 55 and 60% of our expenses directly related to compensation for – today, which is in the mid 60s, about 65 employees. If we grow, we’re expecting to grow and we clearly control the timing, we would like to add about another five employees between now and at the end of the year. But it will be strictly tied to as we grow because a lot of it is driven by growth. The other area of expense that we’ve been very good about continuing is with our development program. And we do expect that we will pick up the pace on some of our development programs that are looking forward as we move through the next two quarters if we get the growth that we’re expecting to, to really fund it. All of it will be really driven by our desire to obviously achieve positive bottom line results. And as Kevin noted, we are targeting to be positive on the bottom line in Q3. And then, our EBITDA number, of course, would be substantially larger. The difference between our bottom line result and EBITDA results for us these days is about half a million dollars. Those are all the soft costs that we get to take; amortization, depreciation and so on . So that’s our expectations. So the pace by which our expenses grow will be a function of the overall growth in both the top line and the bottom line, and we expect to see positive trends in Q3 and Q4. Marco Rodriguez – Stonegate Securities : And then in regards to the guidance for positive net income in Q3, is that GAAP or is that an adjusted number?

Dave Dunlap

CFO

That’s GAAP. Marco Rodriguez – Stonegate Securities : And just real quick, a few housekeeping items. I was wondering if you could provide any sort of percent of revenues that came from Japan from mobile handheld, and then what was your cash flow from operations for the quarter?

Kevin Mills

President and CEO

Dave will look up the cash flow. On Japan, I have to look at it, but first I would say about 10% would be the number I would put for Japan in Q2. We don’t look – I haven’t looked at it that way, but just from the top of my head, about 10% for Japan would be 260K, maybe a bit more, but somewhere in that range of the handhelds.

Dave Dunlap

CFO

And Marco, cash flow from operations in the second quarter was somewhere in the neighborhood of about $280,000. Marco Rodriguez – Stonegate Securities : Perfect. Thanks, guys.

Kevin Mills

President and CEO

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Bernard Fidel, private investor. Please proceed with your question. Bernard Fidel – Private Investor: Okay, good day, gentlemen.

Dave Dunlap

CFO

Hi, Dr. Fidel.

Kevin Mills

President and CEO

How are you? Bernard Fidel – Private Investor: Good. You know what really stands out particularly, and I just want to make sure I’m not misinterpreting this. And that is the impact of HP leaving the market. All right, for instance, I would assume that H&P probably had 70, 80% of the market. And if that is the case, this is all a guess, we are more or less selling about 50,000 SoMos per year. And if they did have 70% or 80%, we’re talking about a market of 350,000 to 400,000.

Kevin Mills

President and CEO

That is correct. Bernard Fidel – Private Investor: Okay. It’s a point I want to bring up. Now if we just achieve getting only half of that business, and I think our SoMo is more less a product of choice, similar to what happened in Japan, the number could fly off the walls. Now, am I – is this wishful thinking or is my figures off, or what?

Kevin Mills

President and CEO

I mean, the short answer is, we don’t know, but we believe – we share your belief that this is a big opportunity for Socket. In that the departure of HP certainly opens up the markets and based on the fact that people liked the SoMo, it really does the job that HP did and then some. We think it’s a big opportunity and we’re working hard. We hope that Japan is a – an example of what would happen other places, and we’ll keep everyone posted. As I said in my remarks, a lot of people are just in the eval phase right now, so we are getting a lot of inquiries to get samples out. And the – and people have to make choices. Do they stick with the form factor, do they change the form factor? I think the more credible we become a supplier, the easier it will be for people to choose us. And we’re working very hard to, I would say, restore supply so we can be the credible, reliable suppler that HP was and enjoy some of those numbers. Bernard Fidel – Private Investor: Yes because we’re talking about hundreds of thousands. Okay, but I just wanted to see if my thinking was positive on that.

Kevin Mills

President and CEO

Your thinking is definitely positive, and we would share – we believe this is a big opportunity. Now, I don’t know about the end number, but I think there’s plenty of [inaudible] potential in the near term based on the HP departure. Bernard Fidel – Private Investor: Right. Now, with the Apple scanner, that is something that will be coming out soon? Does that have to be certified or approved by Apple or something like that?

Kevin Mills

President and CEO

Yes. So there’s a process involved and essentially we announced an SDK. We sent that off to Apple for approval and we will send the scanner off for approval this week. So have the scanner now ready to be submitted for approval. There has to be some time allowed between people developing the application and people wanting to buy the scanner. So it was always our plan to announce the SDK first, and allow then a number of weeks to go by before we put the Apple-approved scanner into the markets. And we remain on track to do that. I expect by mid-August we will have that approved scanner in the marketplace, and we hope to have applications developed by then so that people who have [inaudible] will be able to buy those scanners. Bernard Fidel – Private Investor: Can we announce that – if it is certified, we’d be able to say that this is a certified by Apple?

Kevin Mills

President and CEO

Yes. There is a program, and once we have certified, they have tested it and approved it, and given us their Good Housekeeping seal of approval if you will, yes, we will – that is something we will announce. Bernard Fidel – Private Investor: That’s great.

Kevin Mills

President and CEO

Yes. We’re looking forward to that. I think that gives us a… Bernard Fidel – Private Investor: And that can be sold throughout the world, is that correct?

Kevin Mills

President and CEO

That will be sold throughout the world. So for anyone who wants to have an Apple-centric solution where they’re scanning needs to be, I would say, the data needs to be controlled. And so we think that also is a big opportunity for Socket. Again, our engineers and our marketing teams [inaudible] in this position. And even though the last two years have been extremely difficult, one of the areas where we preserved a lot of our resources was in R&D. And this is the results of that, is that now as the sun comes back out in many ways, we have good products to enter the market with. So we’re looking forward to getting the boost that we believe this will bring in the second half of the year. Bernard Fidel – Private Investor: Okay. And now my usual quarterly question, is the – how is the nursing home order that’s on hold, and the English [inaudible]?

Kevin Mills

President and CEO

Yes. We haven’t really made a lot of progress in either of those, and I would just say that generally speaking, as I said last quarter, and until our supply situation improves, we won’t really make a lot of progress. People have remained in the testing stage and we haven’t done a lot of outreach. We have a lot of people looking for SoMos and samples, and we continue to struggle to support them. So we’ll see how it goes with both those opportunities, but I would say there’s a lot more opportunities that have come in the last six months that are equal and we’re providing samples to them right now. Bernard Fidel – Private Investor: Yes. The supply thing seems to be flaring up at this point.

Kevin Mills

President and CEO

Certainly improving a lot. And we expect to make a big dent in our supply issues in Q3. Bernard Fidel – Private Investor: By the way, the second provider, shall we say factor number two, are we going to give them any orders in the near future?

Kevin Mills

President and CEO

You know, we have to. I mean, you – it’s okay to have a second supplier, but if you don’t give them any orders, you don’t have a second supplier. So we already have orders placed and then we have to work the timing. But again, as you can see from our inventory management and other areas, operations do a great job, and they’ll coordinate that with the respective suppliers and factory. It will be seamless, we believe, to the end customer. We’re pleased… Bernard Fidel – Private Investor: [Inaudible] pretty quickly.

Kevin Mills

President and CEO

Correct. Bernard Fidel – Private Investor: Okay by the way, how’s [inaudible]? I haven’t heard about that in a long time.

Kevin Mills

President and CEO

I actually haven’t followed up too closely with [inaudible]. I know that they believe that 2012 would be the year where they would really make a lot of in roads. It’s on our list to follow up, but again, we’ve really been very busy with fixing our screen problem and getting units out to existing customers. Bernard Fidel – Private Investor: Okay. Now, this is for David, the CFO. Now, with the HP and orders coming in, what would a – and this is a – for the first time that I could think of, it could be conceivable in a not-so-distant future. What would a $50 million per year sales equal in earnings?

Dave Dunlap

CFO

Well, you can almost build your own model, Dr. Fidel. But as you know, our margins today are running in the low 40% range. Those will improve as we grow. So you might want to use something in the mid-40s range, it could be higher. Our expenses, because we’re leveraged, will not go up as fast as our revenues go up, and so – but even if you use a doubling of today’s revenues, today at the 2 million level, that’s about 8 million a year. So you might use 15 or 16 million, your report tax numbers would be somewhere in the range of 10 to 15% of revenues. So you’re probably looking at 5 to say 7 ½ million at 50 million, apply some tax, and then, although we haven’t had an operating loss carry forward, it would absorb a good part of that for a while. So – and then we – I would use the 5 million shares outstanding. Once the notes are fully converted, we’ll be just a little bit shy of 5 million shares. So you can take the results, you know, if you use 5 million, and it’s 5 million shares, that’s $1 a share, if you want to do it on a per-share basis. But the key is if we’re bringing in $5 million a quarter and then as we grow beyond the 15 million level, that number continues to go up. That’s a great way to fund a business, and we certainly are looking forward to that opportunity. Bernard Fidel – Private Investor: Right. That’s a little bit over my head. What would that be per share, would you say?

Dave Dunlap

CFO

Well, if you… Bernard Fidel – Private Investor: On a quarterly and yearly I guess.

Dave Dunlap

CFO

Well, if you’ve got 5 million shares outstanding and you’re doing $5 million for a year, that would be a dollar. So it’d be $0.25 a quarter. Now, as you have said, so many variables, so we probably can grow to that level without needing to double our expenses. We don’t know yet what a portion of our before-tax incomes would be subject to taxation. So there’s lot of variables, but 50 million is a much healthier number for us because it covers the fixed costs associated with research and development, the fixed costs associated with operating the factory here, which is packaging and testing, and repair facility. And so many of our other fixed costs, like accounting and finance and the like. So we’re really set up to leverage for growth and as you move well above the 50 million, it simply gets better. Bernard Fidel – Private Investor: Okay. Well, just one more, or two more questions and I’ll get off. How would the sales so far in July?

Kevin Mills

President and CEO

I mean, they’re fine. There’s – I mean, I’d say we’re on track. I'm mean, there’s nothing extraordinarily good or bad to report. I mean, we’re off to a reasonable start. I wouldn’t say July is our most robust of months, but we are very much on track. Bernard Fidel – Private Investor: Okay.

Dave Dunlap

CFO

And our sales order page as you recall from our previous conversations, picked up very strong after the first of the year. And we had $5 million in new orders coming in in the first quarter, and even though we only were recognizing 4. The second quarter, it was even higher, another 10% higher perhaps, ½ million. We’re just early into the third quarter, but we’re still on that type of pace. Bernard Fidel – Private Investor: So we’re going pretty well then, huh?

Kevin Mills

President and CEO

Yes.

Dave Dunlap

CFO

Yes. Bernard Fidel – Private Investor: Do you have any suggestion about next year, or the fourth quarter?

Kevin Mills

President and CEO

I would generally say no. I mean, so much depends, as you found out in your first question, what happens with HP. No, I think that, you know, right now we have a lot of people evaluating the SoMo that haven’t made decisions, they’re in evaluation. And I think we’ll have lot more color as we get into the October-November timeframe. The HPs are still available in the distribution channel, so there’s still pockets of them available. But anyway, by the end of the year, that won’t be the case. People will have to make up their minds. So at this stage, I would say we don’t, but we’re certainly building a case whereby we will have a good projection going forward, but the HP is as much as swinger… Bernard Fidel – Private Investor: Oh yeah, that could be an phenomenal thing, that HP. You know, it could be explosive by the situation.

Kevin Mills

President and CEO

Correct. So I would just say that we’re pretty positive on our outlook and that we’ll have better numbers as we see what people are doing. Bernard Fidel – Private Investor: And you [inaudible] profitable for the third quarter, are you?

Kevin Mills

President and CEO

That’s the target. We think that’s the realistic target based on the combination of backlog, the strength we see on the business and the… Bernard Fidel – Private Investor: That would be the first time in several years, I guess.

Kevin Mills

President and CEO

Well, again, I think getting to EBITDA, or EBITDA positive was a big step. And we just need to make a similar big step in Q3 and we’ll be profitable. So people are working very hard to make that happen. Bernard Fidel – Private Investor: Okay. Last question. Do you want to comment a little bit more about the Apple scanner. Would that be significant?

Kevin Mills

President and CEO

Yeah, I mean, the whole Apple situation is very dynamic. There are many, many people wanting to use Apple in their solution. And certainly the – they need [inaudible]. As we pointed out many times, the weakness in both tablets and iPhone or phone-based devices is data entry. And scanning is an idea way to solve that. What we did first with Apple, I think was, it’s kind of a good start, but really not robust enough for people to use it in a business-critical application. We’re very pleased with the progress we’ve made, the tools we’ve created and the opportunity in front of us. I think that it’s hard to know at this stage which is a bigger opportunity; the HP withdraw or the Apple scanner. Bernard Fidel – Private Investor: [Inaudible].

Kevin Mills

President and CEO

So at least got two horses in the race. Bernard Fidel – Private Investor: That’s what I was saying, which scanner do you like better or something, you know.

Kevin Mills

President and CEO

No, I think that, you know, we’ve narrowed the business over the last two, three years, and we really have focused our efforts in two areas, and I think we know have two reasonable, sizable opportunities in front of us. Bernard Fidel – Private Investor: And actually, you expect to get Apple certification in the next couple of weeks then?

Kevin Mills

President and CEO

Yes. Bernard Fidel – Private Investor: Well, that’s pretty good.

Kevin Mills

President and CEO

Yeah, again, I mean, Apple is a very well organized organization. We have to submit it. We believe we’ll do that this week and then you know, realistically, 3 to 4 weeks later we get an answer back and then we’d be allowed to ship. And we’ll announce when we get the answer back but not beforehand. Bernard Fidel – Private Investor: Good. Well, listen, I’m extremely pleased. Let’s put it that way. You’ve got – everything seems to be going good.

Kevin Mills

President and CEO

Well, we’re happy you’re happy and we look forward to moving to the next step. Bernard Fidel – Private Investor: All right.

Kevin Mills

President and CEO

All right. Thank you very much, Dr. Fidel.

Operator

Operator

There are no further questions in the queue. I’d like to turn the call back over to management for closing comments.

Kevin Mills

President and CEO

Okay, we would like to thank everyone for participating in today’s call, and wish you all a good afternoon. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today’s teleconference. Thank you for your participation. You may disconnect your lines at this time and have a wonderful day.