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Shoe Carnival, Inc. (SCVL)

Q3 2018 Earnings Call· Thu, Nov 15, 2018

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Operator

Operator

Good afternoon, and welcome to Shoe Carnival's Third Quarter Fiscal 2018 Earnings Conference Call. Today's call is being recorded. It is also being broadcast via webcast. Any reproduction or rebroadcast of any portion of this call is expressly prohibited. Management's remarks may contain forward-looking statements that involve a number of risk factors. These risk factors could cause the company's actual results to be materially different from those projected in such statements. Forward-looking statements should be considered in conjunction with discussion of risk factors, including in the company's SEC filings and today's earnings press release. Investors are cautioned not to place undue reliance on those forward-looking statements, which speak only as of today's date. The company disclaims any obligation to update any of the risk factors or to publicly announce any revisions to the forward-looking statements discussed on today's conference call or contained in today's press release to reflect future events or developments. I'll now turn the call over to Mr. Cliff Sifford, President and Chief Executive Officer of Shoe Carnival, for opening remarks. Mr. Sifford, you may begin.

Clifton Sifford

Management

Thank you, and welcome to Shoe Carnival's Third Quarter 2018 Conference Call. Joining me on the call today is Kerry Jackson, Senior Executive Vice President, Chief Operating and Financial Officer. On today's call, I'll provide a brief overview of our third quarter operating highlights and sales results as well as review our updated fiscal 2018 outlook. Kerry will discuss financial results in more detail. Then we'll open up the call to take your questions. First, please remember that this -- that the 53rd week in fiscal 2017 resulted in a 1-week shift of our fiscal 2018 calendar. This year's third quarter started and ended 1 week later as compared to the third quarter of last year. As a reminder, in fiscal 2018, all of our quarterly year-over-year sales comparisons may be impacted if there are seasonal influences near the respective quarter-end dates. Comparable store sales for the third quarter are presented on a comparable 13-week basis. Now I'd like to review our operating performance. We are very pleased to report a 4.5% comparable store sales increase for the third quarter. Our results for the quarter reflect growth across all geographic regions and most major product categories. I was especially pleased with the strong comp store gains in the nonathletic categories. This demonstrates the core strength of our business model, which allows us to flex and react to changing trends in athletic and nonathletic footwear categories. As you know, August is a key month for the quarter due to the back-to-school selling period. I'm happy to report that August comparable store sales increased 6.5% on top of a 7% increase for the same month last year. In addition to the strong growth achieved in August, we also reported positive comparable store sales for both September and October. Our team focus on…

W. Jackson

Management

Thank you, Cliff. Our net sales for the third quarter ended November 3, 2018, decreased $18.3 million to $269.2 million compared to the third quarter ended August (sic) [ October ] 28, 2017. Comparable store sales for the 13-week period ended November 3, 2018, increased 4.5% compared to the 13-week period ended November 4, 2017. The decrease in net sales was primarily due to a decrease of $12 million for stores included in our comparable store sales base and a loss of $7.6 million in sales from the 26 stores closed since the beginning of the third quarter last year. These decreases were partially offset by an increase of $1.3 million for the 10 stores we have opened since the beginning of the third quarter of last year. As we have previously discussed, due to last year -- fiscal year being a 53-week year, Q1, Q2 and Q3 this year are 1 week later than last year. The calendar shift moved an important week of back-to-school that was included in Q3 last year into Q2 this year. The net effect of this week shift compared to last year decreased sales in our comparable stores in Q3 this year by $25.1 million. This shift accounts for the full decrease in net sales in Q3 this year compared to Q3 last year. Our gross profit margin for the quarter was 30.2% compared to 29.8% in the third quarter last year. This increase was driven by a 110-basis-point increase in our merchandise margin, partially offset by a 70-basis-point increase in buying, distribution and occupancy expenses as a percentage of sales. SG&A expenses decreased $2.6 million in Q3 to $65.2 million. The decrease in expense was primarily due to a $2.5 million decrease in advertising expense in existing stores, a $2.2 million decrease in…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] The first question will come from Mitch Kummetz with Pivotal Research.

Mitchel Kummetz

Analyst

Cliff, let me begin on boots. I was hoping you could just elaborate on the performance in the quarter. What was the overall boot comp in the quarter? Can you maybe say how, sort of, booties performed versus weather boots versus fur versus however else you kind of classify the various boot subsegments? And then I'm also curious, kind of, how you have boots planned for the fourth quarter?

Clifton Sifford

Management

Well, we plan boots for the season up mid-singles -- mid- to low high singles. But we had a double-digit, in the 20s, increase in women's boots for the quarter. So very pleased with that. Mitch, to be honest with you, I really don't want to get down to the category. I can tell you that weather boots, what we would classify as weather boots, snow kind of boots, they only sell that really only take off when you have inclement weather. So it was more casual boots in nature, and I'd really like to hold it at that.

Mitchel Kummetz

Analyst

Got it. Fair enough. And then, Kerry, on the merch margin improvement, can you just -- how much of the 110 bps was a mix shift to boots, which is a high-margin category for you guys, versus just overall cleaner inventory? Is there any way you can kind of break out the 110 bps? And I'm curious what your -- what kind of merch margins baked into the guide for the fourth quarter.

W. Jackson

Management

We had planned on our merchandise margin being up for the quarter. Where we overachieved our expectations was in the boot margin itself. So that comp increase that we got in the boots that Cliff was just referring to, that was the primary driver of the gross profit improvement. You're selling boots in October, you're getting a much better price than if you sold them later in the fourth quarter.

Clifton Sifford

Management

I'll add to that, if I can, Mitch, that not only did we have an increase in the 20s in women's boots, but we had double-digit increases in men's boots and in kids' boots. So very high margin. So that really helped drive the overall margin up.

Mitchel Kummetz

Analyst

Got it. And then maybe a last question, also for Kerry. I think you said that, in the quarter, incentive comp was up $4.1 million year-over-year. Can you say, sort of, where incentive comp -- how much it will be, or how much you think it will be up for the year? And I know it's a little early to talk about 2019, but is it sort of fair to assume, given how well you guys are sort of outperforming this year, that you would be planning incentive comp down year-over-year in '19?

W. Jackson

Management

I'll start with your last first. Yes, highly likely. What we have this year in, particularly, the third quarter, the number was much larger than we had originally anticipated. What happened was, during the quarter, a set of restrict -- performance-based restricted stock that we did not think was going to vest, because of our strong performance so far this year, particularly in the third quarter, it now came into play. And the way the accounting works on that, you have to catch up that adjustment to date. So we had a little over a $2 million adjustment of the total $4 million, was just getting that one grant turned on, so to say. Another almost $1 million of that was other performance stock that was based on a range of outcomes. And since our outcomes are higher in the range in that we picked up almost $1 million worth of expense with that. So the fourth quarter adjustment was very high by those 2 events.

Operator

Operator

The next question will come from Chris Svezia with Wedbush.

Christopher Svezia

Analyst

Boots. Just remind me, what -- so 2 things. One, you planned it up mid-single digits or thereabouts; you're running stronger than that. What's your ability to kind of chase into that category? And how do we think about it fourth quarter versus third quarter percentage of the business? Does it flex from 10%-ish in Q3 to 20% in Q4? Just any thoughts about that.

Clifton Sifford

Management

It will be the mid-20s to the total and -- women's boots to the total for total women's. I think I'm right on that.

W. Jackson

Management

Total boots.

Clifton Sifford

Management

Total boots. Total boots will be in the mid-20s. Sorry. I got a little confused there. But now for the first part of your question, are we able to get back in? We were able to get back into a few boots. But the good news in all of that is that we will be clean at the end of the fiscal year.

Christopher Svezia

Analyst

Okay. So is it -- just go back, so when you say mid-20s, that's for Q4? What is it in Q3?

W. Jackson

Management

This past year is just under about -- is right around 8% of the total. It gets most diluted in the third quarter because of athletics and back-to-school.

Christopher Svezia

Analyst

Okay, okay. Got it. What was the comp progression as you came through the quarter? We know what August was. But can you tell what September and October were?

W. Jackson

Management

They were up low single digits.

Christopher Svezia

Analyst

Okay. And remind us again, what you're up against going into Q4, November, December, January, last year, what you did?

W. Jackson

Management

For the quarter, we were down 0.5 point.

Clifton Sifford

Management

If you remember, Chris, last year, we closed on Thanksgiving Day, which took a big number out of our fourth quarter. And we made most of that back up during the quarter. So the 0.5% down is a little misleading because of that -- the one day that we decided not to open.

Christopher Svezia

Analyst

Okay. So November last year was down quite a bit because you decided not to open, and then you made it up December/January, correct?

W. Jackson

Management

Quite a bit may be an overstatement, but directionally, you're correct. It was down low singles, and we were relatively flat in December, and then we were up in January.

Christopher Svezia

Analyst

Okay. And this year, you're closed on Thanksgiving, so you're comping the comp, right?

Clifton Sifford

Management

I'm sorry. We didn't hear that.

Christopher Svezia

Analyst

I said, this year, you're closed on Thanksgiving, so you're comping that?

Clifton Sifford

Management

That is correct.

Christopher Svezia

Analyst

Okay. Got it. Okay. Just on the margin, Kerry, just for you, for Q4, how do we think about -- I know, Cliff, you gave the annual, I think up 90 basis points. How do we think about just Q4 between merchandise margin, occupancy cost, deleverage, just some of the puts and takes? And you've got store closing costs and liquidations going on. Just a lot of moving parts. Maybe any color about how we think about those 2 line items, gross margin, SG&A for Q4.

W. Jackson

Management

Well, for the -- from the merchandise margin standpoint, we expect it to be down on a year-over-year basis in our guidance, at the high end. And the primary reason is because, if you remember, last year in the fourth quarter, we booked a $3.3 million gain on the insurance settlement on the Puerto Rico inventory hurricane loss. So on a GAAP basis, it'll be down. We expect...

Christopher Svezia

Analyst

On a non-GAAP basis? Do you expect it to be up on a non-GAAP basis? Because I think most of us are looking at it as non-GAAP.

W. Jackson

Management

Chris, there are such strict rules surrounding non-GAAP. If I discuss that, we'd have to put out additional reports. I'd say, we're giving you a bogey of the GAAP number. So why don't you refer back to our Q4 release last year? That will help you discern against an adjusted number.

Christopher Svezia

Analyst

Okay. And on that...

W. Jackson

Management

So [ BD&O ] standpoint, we expect to be relative flat to slightly down.

Christopher Svezia

Analyst

And SG&A?

W. Jackson

Management

We should see some leverage on that. Here again, the GAAP number was distorted last year because of an impairment charge of, I believe, about $3.3 million. And we also had -- because of the change in the tax laws, we had to accelerate some equity compensation of about $2 million.

Christopher Svezia

Analyst

Okay. So final thing, just real quick for me. Just when you think about your consumer and your consumer demographic, how does, maybe, the macro backdrop play into that, given consumer sentiment, unemployment, minimum wage, payrolls, et cetera? Just any thoughts about how you think some of that might be playing into how your consumer is purchasing.

Clifton Sifford

Management

We -- Chris, we believe that it has a lot to do with that. I mean, we can almost go back to the tax cuts when, 2 weeks after the tax cuts took effect, which would've been pretty much your first paycheck, is when we began to see our business take off. And it's been -- this has, as you have witnessed, been pretty good all year.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] We'll take our next question from Greg Pendy with Fidelity.

Gregory Pendy

Analyst · Fidelity.

It's Greg Pendy at Sidoti. Just wanted to understand, I guess, the guidance on the inventory at year-end. Your -- you said low single digits. Is there anything we should know? I mean, was there any moving parts last year? Is that mainly less seasonal product, you think, at this year-end? Or is there something with store closures? I just wanted to understand if you're up 4.6% per store now.

Clifton Sifford

Management

Well, the 4.6% is misleading because of the shift in week. With Presidents -- not Presidents, but Veterans Day moved up a full week, and Thanksgiving is never -- I can't think of a time it's been this early in the calendar because the 1st of the month happened to be on a Thursday. So it's as early as it can get. So that product had to come in prior to November in order for us to have it on the floor and available to sell. So I wouldn't get too hung up on the inventory levels at the end of October. The decrease in the inventory at the end of year is really most likely threefold. One is we continue to reduce our per-store inventories in order to maximize our turn in the stores. If you can maximize your turn, you can raise your margin, and that is the overall goal. But the second in that is that we will have less seasonal inventory as we come out of January due to the fact that we are overperforming in boots and, actually, overperforming in most seasonal categories. So we expect to have less seasonal product on the floor as we walk out of January. And third, Easter is a little later this year than it was last year. So you don't have to bring as much Easter product in, in January to have it on the floor in time for Easter.

Gregory Pendy

Analyst · Fidelity.

Now that's helpful. And then just one final one. This is, just, it looks like you trimmed your store closing or your net closings again this year. I know you've been, in the past, talking about looking for more attractive leases, but you're also seeing better operating performance. So can you kind of give us kind of the puts and takes on what's bringing it down? Is this purely operational? Or are you finding more attractive lease opportunities as well? Or is it a combination?

Clifton Sifford

Management

It's a combination of all of the above. We -- the tax cut helped our business get better, that's number one, in all stores, it lifted sales in most stores. That's number one. Number two, we were able to negotiate some better deals with landlords. And number three, we've done, in my opinion, a much better job marketing this year with -- actually, I've got to say 4 ways, marketing to our customer because we understand today better who our customer is than we did a year ago or 2 years ago through our CRM program and some of the things that we're learning about our customer segments and who they are and how they shop and how best to talk to them. So that's been helpful. And lastly is our stores have been very focused, very, very focused, on making sure that our conversion rate continues to rise. In fact, for the third quarter, I think our conversion rate was up 130 basis points, which is -- that falls on 2 -- that falls on merchandise, and that falls on our store operators.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Sam Poser with Susquehanna.

Samuel Poser

Analyst · Susquehanna.

I've got a few. Number one, I'm going to reask the question about can you give us more details on the comp in September/October than up lows? Just so we can -- you gave us one. Why not give us all 3? We're greedy.

Clifton Sifford

Management

We gave you back-to-school. We gave you August because it's such an important month to our overall year. That is a key month. So we give that. I really don't have any...

W. Jackson

Management

September/October were up low single digits. So...

Samuel Poser

Analyst · Susquehanna.

Hello?

Clifton Sifford

Management

Yes, that -- Kerry answered that for September and October.

Samuel Poser

Analyst · Susquehanna.

Okay. So when we look at the fourth quarter, as your comparisons are easier last year on both a 1-year and a 2-year basis, the implication is for a low single-digit comp. Why wouldn't the comp be better, given the trend? Or is this restricted by, sort of, the availability of the seasonal product now?

Clifton Sifford

Management

Well, twofold. One is that we want to make sure that we're -- we remain conservative in our sales guidance because, again, it's early in the quarter, Sam. And you don't know what the weather is going to be. A cold front, a snow cold front moving through the week of Christmas could destroy the quarter. Well, not destroy it. It could hurt the quarter. But I'm -- we're going to remain conservative in our sales guidance, and we'll see how it goes. As far as the seasonal product is concerned, we are going to be short going into January. There's no question in my mind about that. I believe we're in good shape leading into Christmas.

Samuel Poser

Analyst · Susquehanna.

And then lastly, your -- you've lowered your store closings. When we look -- when we look forward, are we looking at a more conservative store closing? Are you going to start -- how do you think about beyond, from a store opening and closing perspective, beyond this year, given the work you've done with the CRM and so on that's starting to help turn around some of those businesses and those which were up, more underperforming stores?

Clifton Sifford

Management

We are -- right now, we're -- we think that we will close a stores somewhere in the low- to mid-teens. We're still continuing to work on those. That's the reason I didn't talk about it on the call today. We have hope that we can lower that number. So we'll be a little more forthcoming on that as we get to our first -- to our fourth quarter call. That's number one. Number two, there's, at this point in time, there are no new stores scheduled for '19. We're looking toward '20 as once we get our CRM initiative launched, and we have a greater understanding of who our customer is and where they live, at that point, we will be sending our real estate team out to find sites.

Operator

Operator

The next question will come from Mitch Kummetz with Pivotal Research.

Mitchel Kummetz

Analyst

Yes, I just had a couple of quick follow-ups. You -- I think you guys said something about Black Friday promotion shifting from Q4 to Q3, just given the timing of when the quarter closed. Could you just elaborate on that? And -- I'm sorry, go ahead.

Clifton Sifford

Management

No, no. What I said was that last year, Black Friday was the fourth week of November. This year, it's the third week of November. And that's key when you talk about inventory levels.

Mitchel Kummetz

Analyst

Got it. Okay. It seemed early for you guys to be doing Black Friday promotions in Q3. And then on the -- yes, on the impact of closing the stores, Kerry, I think you said there was a $2.2 million benefit in the quarter. As we think about Q4, I would imagine you would also see a benefit in Q4 from the stores that you closed last year, but then you're also going to have some negative on the gross margin side, I guess, from the stores that you're liquidating. So how do we sort of think of those things balancing out? I don't know if that's a way to look at it.

W. Jackson

Management

Well, what you're referencing is that our SG&A was, like, $2.2 million lower this -- third quarter this year versus last third quarter because of the closed stores. I don't look at it as a bp because we also lost the sales, and we also lost the margin. From the standpoint -- typically, when we're closing a store, and especially when we have to liquidate the inventory, we take a hit in the -- on a year-over-year basis, particularly in the quarter it closes. So on the next year benefit, you would see a little bit of a rebound. However, we're going to -- we've projected to close 14 stores this year. Cliff just mentioned we're going to be in that range generally for next year. So on a year-over-year basis, you might assume about the same amount of store closing costs.

Mitchel Kummetz

Analyst

Okay. And then, I guess, maybe one last one. I mean, you guys, obviously, you overdelivered on the earnings side this quarter, especially relative to consensus. But I don't think you guys really gave an earnings target on the quarter. I mean, how did you sort of overdeliver relative to your internal plan? I don't know if you can speak to that. I mean, the comp kind of came in at the high end. But I'm just kind of curious, either from an EBIT standpoint or from an earnings standpoint, much better did you guys come in than what you thought. Was it similar to the bead on it in terms of consensus? Or...

W. Jackson

Management

Well, you're talking about the Q3 beat against what we...

Mitchel Kummetz

Analyst

Yes.

W. Jackson

Management

We had some guidance out there. Generally, we overachieved -- the 2 biggest factors were we overachieved our previous guidance almost $4 million on the top line. And we had about 65 basis points of margin improvement over what we had previously guided to. We also -- our SG&A came in a little lower than what we were expecting. And that was probably to be -- more related to the insurance gain that we booked through the quarter had not been a contemplated part.

Operator

Operator

We have a follow-up question from Chris Svezia with Wedbush.

Christopher Svezia

Analyst

So just, I want to go back into, I think, the third quarter, when you gave the guidance, I think you expected September to be up low singles, but October to comp negative, just kind of given what happened last year and the uncertainty with the weather. So it seems like, obviously, October was the big factor to driving the upside to comp. Is that correct?

W. Jackson

Management

Yes. So that was the biggest change from our guidance -- overachievement from our guidance we had.

Clifton Sifford

Management

And that was all based on the boot performance, Chris.

Christopher Svezia

Analyst

Right. Okay. Any -- so I know you don't want -- as we look at Q4, any reason to think any month would comp negative? I know you threw out the observation you might be short some boot inventory for January. But I don't -- I'm sure, by then, you want to be transitioning out anyway. But I'm just kind of curious, what's your thoughts about, as you think about monthly comp or just looking forward, any reason to think any month wouldn't comp positive?

Clifton Sifford

Management

No. We don't -- we're not planning any month that isn't comp positive. We don't expect January to comp as -- we expect January to be the lowest comp due to the fact that we will be lower on boots.

Christopher Svezia

Analyst

Okay. Got it. And then just I'm curious on the CRM activities. When do you expect to be done on that front? When do we get more of an update about what you're learning? Just in general. When is that completed?

Clifton Sifford

Management

Well, the implementation of the software that's going to drive this will be at least midyear of '19 before it's fully implemented. We expect to have wins throughout that time period. But Chris, it's important to understand that this is not a 1-year or a 2-year program. This is going to be something that will continue to evolve over the next -- hopefully, for a long, long time. Because we believe that it's transformational to our company in what it's going to do for us from a comp and store growth standpoint.

Christopher Svezia

Analyst

And then the last thing, I just have, just, when you close stores, does sales transfer to existing stores? Any color about what's going on with that? I guess my question, more specifically, is as you start to think about next year, and you're not opening stores, but you're closing, obviously, stores, if we think about low single-digit comp, any reason to think that revenues would not grow? I mean, you should have some revenue growth, assuming the base is becoming more productive as you transfer those sales. Just any thoughts about that.

Clifton Sifford

Management

We are -- we do expect the revenue growth. We're not prepared yet to give you a '19 -- our '19 expectations at this point. But we do expect revenue growth.

W. Jackson

Management

Chris, on the cannibalization question you had, typically, we're not -- when we put the stores in place to begin with, we try to give them enough breathing room so that they're not cannibalizing each other. So what happens when we close that store, more often than not, we're not seeing significant movement of sales to other stores, not enough that would drive the needle that we'd be reporting it or you might see it flow through in our overall numbers.

Operator

Operator

The next question will come from Sam Poser with Susquehanna.

Samuel Poser

Analyst

We're all getting guided twice today. The insurance that -- was that a onetime event in the SG&A? And how much was it?

W. Jackson

Management

It was $911,000 in Q3. It's a onetime occurrence as that particular episode. So that was primarily closing out the Puerto Rico claim for the hurricane that occurred last year. We closed out the inventory portion of it in Q4 last year. And then we finished up the fixed asset piece of it this year.

Samuel Poser

Analyst

But did you have other charges in the quarter for that this year? Or was this it?

W. Jackson

Management

This was it. Typically, it's 2 -- you do have 2 pieces of it. Inventory and fixed assets, and they closed out at different times.

Samuel Poser

Analyst

But I mean, so we wouldn't anticipate that benefit a year from now, just to be clear?

W. Jackson

Management

Not for that particular hurricane, no.

Samuel Poser

Analyst

And do you have other -- are there other recurring -- are those kind of charges happening from other events or -- worth talking about?

W. Jackson

Management

No. But hurricanes seem to be, these past few years, not isolated events that -- so we've seen several hurricanes that we were -- we've had insurance claims on Puerto Rico, on Houston, and then we saw -- we're working on one right now for the hurricane that hit the Gulf Coast.

Samuel Poser

Analyst

Are any of them -- do you expect any of those to be the magnitude of Puerto Rico? And then lastly, what -- as well as, what is the status of Puerto Rico's stores right now?

W. Jackson

Management

No. No one -- Puerto Rico was a 9-store event. And we lost inventory in all those stores. So that was the largest claim the company had ever had. And we hope to never repeat that. So there isn't anything of that magnitude that we'd expect to see again.

Samuel Poser

Analyst

And then this -- the Puerto Rican stores, are there -- what's the -- are those stores opened? How many are open in Puerto Rico right now?

W. Jackson

Management

Yes, 6 of those 9 stores have reopened. Three of them will not reopen. We settled out the lease. The one lease event we settled out in the fourth quarter last year and the other 2 stores, the landlord did not rebuild the center, so those leases were canceled due to that.

Operator

Operator

This concludes the Q&A portion. I'll now turn the call back over to Mr. Sifford.

Clifton Sifford

Management

I want to take the opportunity to thank you for just staying on our call. We look forward to announcing our fourth quarter and full year results in March. I also want to wish each of you a great Thanksgiving and a very happy holiday season. With that, I want to send the call back to the operator.

Operator

Operator

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's event. You may now disconnect your lines. Have a great evening.