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ServisFirst Bancshares, Inc. (SFBS)

Q1 2020 Earnings Call· Tue, Apr 21, 2020

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Operator

Operator

Good day, and welcome to ServisFirst Bancshares First Quarter Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] After today’s presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. [Operator Instructions] Please note this event is being recorded.I would now like to turn the conference over to Davis Mange, Investor Relations Manager. Please go ahead.

Davis Mange

Analyst

Thank you, Allie. Good afternoon, and welcome to our first quarter earnings call. We’ll have Tom Broughton, our CEO; Bud Foshee, our CFO; and Henry Abbott, our Chief Credit Officer, covering some highlights from the quarter and then we’ll take your questions. I’ll now cover our forward-looking statements disclosure.Some of the discussion in today’s earnings call may include forward-looking statements. Actual results may differ from any projections shared today, due to factors described in our most recent 10-K and 10-Q filings. Forward-looking statements speak only as of the date they are made and ServisFirst assumes no duty to update them.With that, I’ll turn the call over to Tom.

Thomas Ashford Broughton

Analyst

Davis, thank you, and good afternoon, and welcome everybody to our call. My comments will be a little bit longer than normal, because these are interesting times we’re in today with a pandemic. It seems like the first quarter was a long time ago, so much has happened over the course of the ensuing days. I guess, we talk a little bit about the pandemic. We activated our pandemic plan on March 2.I remember the first time we – the regulators we need to have a pandemic plan, I thought less about the silliest thing I’ve ever heard in my life. It turns out somewhat the FDIC was right and I was wrong. And we – of course, we all thought that it was just going to be a bad flu season that would – there was a way to make it through. And I’ve always believed that we give all the employees a free flu shot and we’re not going to have a flu epidemic. It was sort of my plan, but plans get – go awry bit here during the pandemic.But what we found really is, we had an excellent plan, thanks to our Chief Risk Officer, Mark McVay. We had an excellent plan. Our focus has been on employee safety. Employee and customer safety are – number one is employee safety, number two is customer safety.What we found is that a branch light technology heavy business model works very well during a pandemic. Our business model was made for a pandemic. It’s one of our regional CEOs said, he said “I’m so happy that I’m managing one office instead of the 34 branches at my old bank I used to work with.”So it is much easier to only manage. We have some 22 offices. And in many…

Henry Abbott

Analyst

Thank you, Tom. And looking at the ServisFirst footprint, I’m cautiously optimistic as the economy reopens and viewing heat maps and other data points that lay out impacted COVID-19 areas thus far, the majority of our markets are in low impacted areas.We’re not in the Northeast or some more heavily concentrated COVID-19 impacted communities. No one is immune to the broad impacts of the pandemic, but we should be well-positioned as our markets reopen. We have a well diversified loan portfolio in both geography and industry classifications. The portfolio is granular and we don’t have any major concentrations within industry codes.We’ve always prided ourselves on being a well rounded commercial and industrial, or C&I bank versus a bank that focuses on CRE transactions or as targeted industry calling officers. Greater than 55% of our loan portfolio is to C&I operating companies, and this is through owner-occupied real estate loans, equipment loans, lines of credit.We have a very low exposure to SNCs, as they represent only $65 million in current balances on a total loan portfolio of $7.5 billion, which is less than 1%. The SNCs we are involved in are because we have a direct relationship with those borrowers.To date, we’ve had no major downgrades within the portfolio as a result of COVID-19. At the end of the quarter, past due decreased by $7 million from year-end and non-performing assets decreased by $3 million from year-end.As Tom mentioned, we have a slide deck on the website, and I’ll cover some of that in more detail here. Page four lays out areas of interest to investors. We’re not a large hotel lender, and hotels only constitute roughly 2% of our portfolio and the overwhelming majority of those are flagged hotels and none are oriented towards conventions or resort style accommodations.Restaurant exposure…

William Foshee

Analyst

Thank you, Henry. Good afternoon. First, our net interest margin. Our margin increased from 3.47% in the fourth quarter to 3.58% in the first quarter. Tom have talked about our strong growth for loans in the first quarter. We grew $307 million, deposits grew $302 million. Our variable rate loans were $3.1 million at March 31 and $1.2 billion of those loans were at their floors rates, or 40% of our total variable rate loans at the end of March.Based on our March 31 balance sheet, our consolidated margin was 3.64%. Also our total deposit cost was 0.55 as of March 31. For the future NIM, we expect it to remain north of 3.60% in the second quarter, exclusive of PPP loans. A reminder, we have no accretion income related to acquisitions and there were no other major income or expense items that impacted the first quarter earnings.Liquidity. Our investment portfolio is 8.5% of our total assets. The portfolio is available for any liquidity needs. We have a very vanilla portfolio, government agency mortgage FAS, Alabama munis with an A or better underlying credit rating, treasuries, agencies, bank senior and sub-debt, and an average life of the portfolio is 3.4 years.For non-interest income, we added 70 banks in the first quarter through our American Bankers Association credit card referral program. Mortgage banking income slow in first two months. And then in March, we had fee income of 525,000, while they had to do with the two Fed rate cuts in March. Also, a reminder, we do not sell any government guaranteed loans to generate non-interest income.For non-interest expense, our ORE expenses increased $498,000. That was due to updated appraisals on to credits. Payroll taxes increased by $380,000, primarily related to incentives that were paid in January, and our 401(k) contribution match increased $229,000 related to incentives.Net producers had five that left in the first quarter and we added three. And as we’ve mentioned in our fourth quarter call, we’ll have a new expense control initiative for 2020. We’ll continue to look at our costs, working with our vendors to control that, which you’re going to see the impact of that in 2021 as opposed to 2020.Our loan loss provision, our first quarter net charge-offs were $4.8 million, $3.7 million of which was loans that were previously impaired, and we continue to be proactive with our problem credits.Capital, our bank Tier 1 leverage ratio was in excess of 10% at March 31. So we had very good ratio. Taxes, our year-to-date tax credit – tax rate for 2020 was 18.8%, 21.3% without the stock option tax credits in the first quarter of $1.1 million. The 2019 year-to-date rate was 19.5% and 21.3% less stock option credits of $772,000. We project the tax rate for the remainder of 2020 to be 22%.And that concludes my comments, and I’ll turn it back over to Tom.

Thomas Ashford Broughton

Analyst

Thank you, Bud. I’ll finish – before we take questions, I’ll finish by saying that we do see a lot opportunities on the horizon. We see a lot of opportunities with customers that had an unsatisfactory experience at their existing bank, some large banks and some regional banks. And you might guess with some of the people that put caps on how much they were going to due and they have a very unsatisfactory experience there with their existing bank.So we are in the process of onboarding some new customers. We see a lot more opportunity down the road. We are mindful of the current economic conditions with any new request and evolves credit. We certainly – deposit accounts is pretty simple, being with any – anything involves credit, we’re stress testing any new loan request in light of the current economic conditions.In summary, I really like where we are today. The positives far outweigh the negatives. We have the capacity to bring home a lot of new clients and we intend to thrive not survive through this pandemic. And we – we’ve shown we can adapt to a new environment and do very well.So we also got a chart out there on – page on digital banking opportunities. We – we’re seeing much greater adoption today than ever before of scanners, as well as mobile banking. So our business model is working very well given the current conditions.We’ll now turn it over to and take questions. Davis?

Operator

Operator

We will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Our first question will come from Kevin Fitzsimmons with D.A. Davidson.

Kevin Fitzsimmons

Analyst

Hey, good evening, guys.

Thomas Ashford Broughton

Analyst

Hey, Kevin.

William Foshee

Analyst

Hey, Kevin.

Kevin Fitzsimmons

Analyst

I recognize upfront how fluid this is and all the uncertainty. But can you give us any idea to how you think about further reserve building off of this quarter, so as we look forward in the next few quarters? Because I’m just interested there, how that debate went amongst you all in terms of – you made reference to the very strong pre-tax pre-provision profitability you had and whether would – did you entertain the thought of using even more of that to be aggressive more than you even thought, what you can see now just to try to get beyond – get more of it in the rearview mirror. And just – that’s a long winded way of saying how should we think about provisioning going forward?

Thomas Ashford Broughton

Analyst

Hey, that’s an interesting question, Kevin. We would – obviously, if we thought we needed more money, we would put more money in there. Now that’s – the clear answer is, if we felt necessary to do that, we would have done so. So, again, we like our customer base. We feel good about our customer base.I mean, obviously, there’s going to be some pain with some of the restaurants, for example, restaurants, hotels, have some pain. But we listed for you our existing balances. On the watch list on that day, we’ve had no downgrades as a result of COVID-19. It takes a time for things to play out.But again, by the way, I’ve seen some analysts estimating what the fees are going to be on the PPP and they’re estimating a little on the high side. And I say, I hesitant to give our average, because an average is not a good number. It is misleading, because – when you have a lot of $2,000 and $10,000 loan request, and you average those, we end with some very large ones, that might be $2 million, $5 million, that sort of thing.You get some strange average that people are trying to run off of. I know that’s not what you asked, Kevin. I just mentioned that for all the analysts on the call that everybody seems to be a little high. But we think we’ll have an opportunity to make – anything we think we’ll need, we can do in most of it in the second quarter, Kevin.

Kevin Fitzsimmons

Analyst

Okay, great. One quick follow-up. On the subject of loan growth, it was very strong this quarter. And I know I think traditionally in past years, the loan growth has been on the light side and early in the year and then it really kicks in, in the back-half of the year. And you mentioned that it really wasn’t a surge in people drawing the lines. So was it just more of the PPP loans being on the books? Was it just pent-up loan demand from last quarter, if anything to attribute that to?

Thomas Ashford Broughton

Analyst

I could – we had a couple of bank holding company loans closed. They were pretty good size, good solid companies. We had a marine, oil and gas customer payoff and they went permanent in the fall. And I came back in with another vessel with us this quarter, which is the best part of our oil and gas exposure is one – not vast part, but the biggest one is a vessel that’s leased on a long-term lease to a major oil company. So – but those probably three credits distorted the numbers upwards, Kevin, that makes any sense.

Kevin Fitzsimmons

Analyst

Okay, that’s great. Thanks, guys. That’s it for me.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Tyler Stafford with Stephens.

Tyler Stafford

Analyst · Stephens.

Hey, good afternoon, guys.

Thomas Ashford Broughton

Analyst · Stephens.

Hey, Tyler.

William Foshee

Analyst · Stephens.

Hey, Tyler.

Tyler Stafford

Analyst · Stephens.

Hey, I had a question also to start on the allowance. And I saw on the release that you added a new pandemic qualitative factor to the allowance. How much did that new pandemic qualitative factor add to the allowance and reserve build this quarter?

William Foshee

Analyst · Stephens.

Yes, this is Bud. I don’t know if we have that here and I both sitting, I don’t know if we have that specific amount in front of us.

Tyler Stafford

Analyst · Stephens.

Okay.

William Foshee

Analyst · Stephens.

We’d have to go back and look.

Tyler Stafford

Analyst · Stephens.

Okay. That’s fine.

Henry Abbott

Analyst · Stephens.

But other factors also played into like GDP growth, change in prime continuing to decrease, I mean, there were other factors also that drove it.

Tyler Stafford

Analyst · Stephens.

So maybe let me ask it this way. Do you have a good frame of reference we can think about for what the reserve build would have been if you had adopted CECL?

Thomas Ashford Broughton

Analyst · Stephens.

Yes. It – early in the quarter, Tyler, this is Tom, actually. Early in the quarter, the difference – first of all, we look at CECL in two or three different ways. But we start from the stance, if you’re going to be as conservative as possible, you don’t change anything, but you don’t need to change. We got enough going on.And what we’ve had going on is this SBA PPP program and has been kept us extremely busy. And then we’ve had all their requests for people looking for loan extensions, because the regulators announced to the world that they could gather them. So we’ve had a handful, primarily with PPP loans. But – so we look at it on a couple of different ways.First of all, don’t change anything you don’t need to change. Early in the quarter, the difference between the two models was negligible. As of – because of deteriorating economy due to COVID-19, at the end of the quarter, we had to put in another $8 million due to the COVID-19 – on the CECL model, so it’s not a meaningful – not a really a meaningful amount.And so, we also think there’s some chance that I’m told, I don’t know what Congress is going to do, but I’m told there’s some chance that on a bipartisan basis, they might decide to kill. CECL is so important. If you already adopted, it’s going to be a bit difficult to unwind. And so, we thought the best thing to do was to just take a conservative stance and don’t do anything new.

Tyler Stafford

Analyst · Stephens.

Yep. Okay. So if you had adopted CECL, the incremental 331 provision would have been an additional $8 million?

Thomas Ashford Broughton

Analyst · Stephens.

Yes.

Tyler Stafford

Analyst · Stephens.

Okay. All right. Got it. Thanks. I appreciate the details in the release around the deferrals from COVID-19 and the major industries impacted. Do you just have what the total amount of loans that were deferred as of 3/31, or?

Thomas Ashford Broughton

Analyst · Stephens.

Go ahead, Henry.

Henry Abbott

Analyst · Stephens.

Yes. So as of 3/31, total balances deferred was 700 – excuse me, $574 million. And that was about 5%, or less than 5% of our customers in terms of units. So $575 million as of the end of the quarter.

Tyler Stafford

Analyst · Stephens.

Perfect.

Thomas Ashford Broughton

Analyst · Stephens.

And again, this isn’t 80 different industries and I look down the list and most industries get down to – there might be $1 million in each industry for the last 51, or $2 million of each industry that’s, I don’t look at those as vulnerable on the credit side, for the most part.There are people being – they’re large mainline churches again, They’re people being conservative. They think they’re being conservative by asking for – and we think we’re being conservative, because we didn’t do any six-month deferrals and we only did three months of principal deferral.

Tyler Stafford

Analyst · Stephens.

Okay. All right. Thanks for that. And then on the prior slide, just around the portfolio is potentially impacted by the pandemic. I appreciate all the new disclosures and details here. I guess, I was a little surprised that there were zero dollars of hotels and motels on the watch list. And I was wondering if you could maybe walk through why there would be no – none of those bounces on the watch list?

Henry Abbott

Analyst · Stephens.

We are selective with our hotel lending. We’re traditionally looking at low loan-to-value type hotels. At this time, none had been downgraded and all were performing loans at the end of the quarter and all still are.

Tyler Stafford

Analyst · Stephens.

Okay. All right, that’s helpful. And then maybe lastly, Tom, did I hear you say that you provided three meals a day for all of your employees?

Thomas Ashford Broughton

Analyst · Stephens.

No, not every day, but in many cases, we did. That’s why I think we got a good deal on was the catering. We were running there full time, except for Easter Sunday, we were running. The first weekend we had to roll it out. We had to run as close to 24/7 as we could and…

Tyler Stafford

Analyst · Stephens.

Good on you for doing that. That’s pretty great. That’s all my questions. Thanks.

Thomas Ashford Broughton

Analyst · Stephens.

Thank you, Tyler.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Graham Dick with Piper Sandler.

Graham Dick

Analyst · Piper Sandler.

Hey, guys, good evening. I’m on for Brad Milsaps.

Thomas Ashford Broughton

Analyst · Piper Sandler.

Hi, Graham.

Graham Dick

Analyst · Piper Sandler.

So kind of just following up on the portfolios, you guys disclosed in the slide deck. Within restaurants, I know it’s just under 3% of your total loans. But would you mind giving a little info on like the composition of that segment? Is it mostly quick service or weighted towards casual dining?

Henry Abbott

Analyst · Piper Sandler.

This is Henry. So on a true loan balance perspective, $145 million, of that $226 is full service. Under that is in more limited service, so that represents another $60 million. And within that category, we did add bars as well. And so that’s also another category, but breakdown is primarily full service and limited service under that.

Graham Dick

Analyst · Piper Sandler.

Okay, great. That’s very helpful. And then kind of following up with the loan growth question. It’s obviously going to be relatively on policy time being, while you guys are working through PPP and COVID continues to kind of pause client activity. But how do you guys think about loan growth at the other end of this thing? Maybe is there a light at the end of the tunnel? Do you think you might be able to get close to picking up where you left off, or you expect to take sometime to ramp back up to that low double-digit rate you guys had in 2019?

Thomas Ashford Broughton

Analyst · Piper Sandler.

We see an abundance of loan opportunities, Graham, in spite of the fact that our people – we’ve taken them all off the road. We’re not making calls. Obviously, took them off airlines pretty early on, compared to and we were on the conservative side, we had a lot of national teams around the company when we told people they get off the road. And once they got off an airline, don’t come to office for 14 days.We took a very conservative approach, but we see an abundance of loan opportunities out there and we feel like we can be as we could – again, we can see strengthen our loan pricing. We see better opportunities later in terms of where we are, because there are certainly less banks that are able to make loans today than they were just literally a couple of months ago.

Graham Dick

Analyst · Piper Sandler.

Got it, great. That’s really helpful. That’s it for me today, guys. Thank you guys very much and congrats on the quarter.

Thomas Ashford Broughton

Analyst · Piper Sandler.

Yes. I would say, Graham, to answer your – a lot of people have hit the pause button on projects, which is just kind of common sense that if you’ve got a project underway, a lot of people have hit the pause button for a few months just to let all the dust settle a little bit.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Kevin Swanson with Hovde Group.

Kevin Swanson

Analyst · Hovde Group.

Hey, guys.

Thomas Ashford Broughton

Analyst · Hovde Group.

Hey, Kevin.

William Foshee

Analyst · Hovde Group.

Hey, Kevin.

Kevin Swanson

Analyst · Hovde Group.

Obviously, the multiple in the stock has held up well compared to others. And despite your guys’ strength this quarter and kind of the outlook, it looks like there are definitely some banks who don’t come out of this unscathed. Prior to COVID, you guys set up well organically with all the M&A going on in your back – backyard and some of the hiring you’ve done. But is there any change in thinking around being an acquirer, now the multiple seems to be stronger on a relative basis and kind of where you guys sit?

Thomas Ashford Broughton

Analyst · Hovde Group.

We want – obviously, we want to get on the other side of the dust storm, Kevin. But obviously, it’s much more interesting today than it was just literally a few weeks ago. THE prices are substantially better than I would think than if people are even – once the M&A starts back up, which might be, it might be six months. I mean, I would guess it would be six months before we see any activity. But certainly, we’d be willing to entertain it at the lower level of pricing that we see today.

Kevin Swanson

Analyst · Hovde Group.

Okay, thanks. And then the last one is appreciating the significant uncertainty, like you mentioned, remains. Have you guys thought about any changes to kind of credit structure and underwriting policies, given what we’ve learned so far in the impact? Kind of, obviously, it changed quite a bit after the Great Recession, but just curious if this has kind of refreshed any kind of credit process in your mind?

Thomas Ashford Broughton

Analyst · Hovde Group.

Well, again, we’re going – any new request, we’re focused on our existing clients, and that’s what we should be focused on today. But on any requests, we’re putting an extra step stress test on it. As one of our executives, Greg Bryant in Tampa said, that’s what we did during 2008 to 2012 in Florida as we put an extra test – stress test on any loan request, so it makes perfect sense.So we – now we – I’ve always said we need to make the same loan decision. When the stock market is going up 5,000 points or going down 5,000 points, we need to be emotionless on making a good sound underwriting decision and it shouldn’t vary at all. So, the same underwriting standards apply and we want to deal with good people and good quality people.

Kevin Swanson

Analyst · Hovde Group.

Okay, great. Thanks, guys.

Thomas Ashford Broughton

Analyst · Hovde Group.

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from William Wallace with Raymond James.

William Wallace

Analyst · Raymond James.

Thanks. Good afternoon, guys.

Thomas Ashford Broughton

Analyst · Raymond James.

Hi, Wallace.

William Wallace

Analyst · Raymond James.

On CECL real quick, the decision to delay it, were you guys delaying and operating under the assumption that when you do adopt that you’re going to have to go back and restate your results?

William Foshee

Analyst · Raymond James.

Well, I mean, we – this is Bud. Yes, I mean, we know we will have to restate once we implement. If that comes to pass in 2020, we will have to do that.

William Wallace

Analyst · Raymond James.

And what kind of expense does it add to go back and do that? Is that a [Multiple Speakers]?

William Foshee

Analyst · Raymond James.

Well, I mean, we’re doing parallel. I mean, we’re doing our incurred loss and CECl. We’ll do that each quarter. So…

William Wallace

Analyst · Raymond James.

So you have all the results right there. So theoretically, shouldn’t be too expensive?

William Foshee

Analyst · Raymond James.

Right, right.

William Wallace

Analyst · Raymond James.

Okay. On the expense side, is there any way – there’s a lot of commentary in your preamble, Tom, about the expenses being pretty hard to gauge and generally being up. Can you maybe just help us get a sense of what we might be looking at for the next couple of quarters on the run rate basis understanding that, I guess, this quarter will be higher, given the PPP activity?

William Foshee

Analyst · Raymond James.

Yes. The expenses, in general, are trending down. I mean, we expect to see all our expense initiatives, we expect to see most results in the second-half of 2020 and 2021. So we’re certainly – we’re more glad than ever. We put in some expense controls, given the current economic environment. But I just made it’s just going to be a little noisy. We’ll have a heightened expense in a number of categories because of the PPP program.Now, having said that, it’s still going to be a profitable program, Wally. So it – but it will be a little bit of margin distortion. And when we talk about margin, we exclude out any effect from the PPP – the taking $914 million loans that earned 1%, and exclude that from the margin. That’s why we’re going to look at it and think you will look at it that way as well.

William Wallace

Analyst · Raymond James.

Yes. Okay. And that’s probably a good segue to think about the fees related to PPP. I understand that, when you’ve got a few loans that are bigger in that 1% fee range versus a ton of loans that are smaller in that 5% range, are we – would you suggest that we’d be better off modeling closer to that 1% range, or do you think…

William Foshee

Analyst · Raymond James.

No, I say people…

William Wallace

Analyst · Raymond James.

…midpoint in the 3% range?

William Foshee

Analyst · Raymond James.

I’ve seen – yes, I’ve seen people modeling as much as 4%, something 3.5% to 4%, would seem a little high to me. But I don’t know what those banks – it runs the gamut. We got 2,000 – we got $1 million, $2,000 and $10,000 loan request. And those customers, they need the help. They need it more than people with a big money. So we’re – those paperwork just as important to us as a big customers. But yes, I think you’re on track, Wally, with 3 range.

William Wallace

Analyst · Raymond James.

Okay, okay. And then my last question, on the loan deferrals, I belief you gave the number $574 million at 3/31. Would you be willing to share what that number is today?

Henry Abbott

Analyst · Raymond James.

Sure. Yes, today…

William Foshee

Analyst · Raymond James.

Well, today is…

Henry Abbott

Analyst · Raymond James.

…through part of last week, I guess…

William Foshee

Analyst · Raymond James.

Yes.

Henry Abbott

Analyst · Raymond James.

…through April 14, the number is $988 million through, I guess, through the first-half of April, so.

William Wallace

Analyst · Raymond James.

Okay. And I mean, are you continuing to see a pretty high volume of requests coming through?

Henry Abbott

Analyst · Raymond James.

Yes, I think I think it slowed down and in part now that people have some PPP funds. As Tom said, we were able to accommodate overwhelming majority of our customers, so they now have some more capital to make payments on loans. I think the volume has slowed down whether that’s related to them getting PPP money or our bankers working on PPP loans at the same time, I can’t tell you, but it is slowing.

William Wallace

Analyst · Raymond James.

Okay. On PPP part two, which looks like it could be a possibility how many applications have you received that, that you didn’t – weren’t able to get through before they ran out of money? In other words, how much do you already have in the pipeline that you could take advantage of should there be a part two?

Thomas Ashford Broughton

Analyst · Raymond James.

It’s not not a huge. Wally, we got most of them knocked out, but it’s in the $20-odd-million range, I think, is the loans that we had in the pipe when it shutdown. And, of course, we’ve added loans to the $5 million, $6 million from people that are not – we, again, prioritize our existing clients, but then we’ve added clients from other banks, trying to help people that had a bank. Some banks didn’t participate in the program and you find out it’s kind of amazing to me, but anyway, we’re trying to help people.

William Wallace

Analyst · Raymond James.

Yes. Okay. I’ll step out. Appreciate the responses. Thank you.

Thomas Ashford Broughton

Analyst · Raymond James.

Thank you, Wallace.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is a follow-up from Tyler Stafford with Stephens.

Tyler Stafford

Analyst

Hey, thanks for taking the follow-up. Just one more quick one for me on the margin. I appreciate the two Q outlook of relatively stable in the 3/31 total deposit cost. Do you have what the spot loan yield rates were at 3/31 as well?

William Foshee

Analyst

No, Tom, I want to say it was 460, but I’ll e-mail it to you.

Tyler Stafford

Analyst

Okay. But the expectation is with, I think, it was 55 basis points of total deposit costs at 3/31. The total margin in the second quarter ex-PPP should be 360-ish. Is that what you said?

William Foshee

Analyst

Yes. I mean, we still think exclusive of PPP, we’d still be at 360. Yes, what I’ve got is the total loan yield for March, so that’s before all the re pricing and Fed cuts and all that. So I’ll have to find out what the yield was at the end of March. I’ll e-mail it to you. I’ll e-mail that to your, buddy.

Tyler Stafford

Analyst

Okay.

Henry Abbott

Analyst

And again, Tyler, where our goal is to strengthen loan price and it’s going to take time. I mean, it doesn’t happen. Certainly, we will have an opportunity in May/June renewal season and then, obviously, we have more to your lines of credit than we used to in those days. So we see opportunity to strengthen loan pricing.

Tyler Stafford

Analyst

Yes. No, it will be impressive if you guys can hold the margin flat in two Q after 150 bps of cuts in March, so that will be impressive to see them. Thanks, guys.

William Foshee

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

This will conclude our question-and-answer session, as well as today’s conference call. Thank you for attending today’s presentation. You may now disconnect.