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Stitch Fix, Inc. (SFIX)

Q4 2020 Earnings Call· Tue, Sep 22, 2020

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Operator

Operator

Good day, everyone, and welcome to today's Stitch Fix Fourth Quarter 2020 Earnings Call. Today's conference is being recorded. At this time, I'd like to turn the conference over to Mr. David Pearce, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

David Pearce

Management

Thank you for joining us on the call today to discuss the results for our fourth quarter and full fiscal year for 2020. Joining me on today's call are Katrina Lake, Founder and CEO of Stitch Fix; Elizabeth Spaulding, President; and Mike Smith, President, COO and Interim CFO. I would also like to mention that we're joining you remotely today from our home offices. We have posted complete Q4 and full year financial results and our Shareholder Letter on the IR section of our website, investors.stitchfix.com. A link to the webcast of today's conference call can also be found on our site. We would like to remind everyone that we will be making forward-looking statements on this call, which involve risks and uncertainties. Actual results could differ materially from those contemplated by our forward-looking statements. Reported results should not be considered as an indication of future performance. Please review our filings with the SEC for a discussion of the factors that could cause our results to differ. Also, note that the forward-looking statements on this call are based on the information available to us as of today's date. We disclaim any obligation to update any forward-looking statements, except as required by law. During this call, we will discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures. Reconciliations to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures are provided in the Shareholder Letter on our IR website. These non-GAAP measures are not intended to be a substitute for our GAAP results. Finally, this call in its entirety is being webcast on our IR website and a replay of this call will be available on the website shortly. I'd now like to turn the call over to Katrina.

Katrina Lake

Management

Thanks, David, and thank you for joining us. After the market closed today, we issued our quarterly Shareholder Letter with more details on our results and strategy. As we’ll share today, our business ended Q4 in a position of strength and we're excited about the opportunities that lie ahead in fiscal 2021. Specifically, there are four themes on today's call. First, we navigated the COVID trough and have emerged even stronger. Second, our business is healthy with strong underlying fundamentals. Third, we are well-positioned strategically and financially to take market share and play offense in 2021. And finally, we are accelerating the expansion of our consumer experience due to the momentum we've seen across our Fix and direct buy offering. Combined, these themes give us confidence and optimism for the year ahead. With that, I'd like to rewind the script to talk about the first point and paint a picture of where we were when we last met in June. Our distribution centers were recovering from significant disruption due to the COVID crisis. At one point, half of our warehouse nodes were closed and we were operating at nearly 30% fulfillment capacity. Our supply constraints were not limited to our warehouses. As we spoke about last quarter, we had also pulled back on inventory both in the interest of conservatism as well as relevant as we anticipated and would see very significant changes in the types of apparel that consumers are looking for. Given this constrained environment, we dramatically reduced our marketing spend from late-March, April, and into May to ensure our limited capacity could be used to serve the demand we are seeing from existing customers as well, while minimizing the risk that we would spend to acquire new customers into a sub-optimal and potentially disappointing supply environment. While…

Elizabeth Spaulding

Management

Thanks, Katrina, and hello to all of you on the line. On top of the company's success Katrina shared, this moment in history is a once in a lifetime opportunity and a shift of apparel retail and we are playing offense. Consumers are rapidly moving their apparel buying online approximately 3 times faster than in pre-COVID period. While overall demand for apparel is undoubtedly not what it was pre-COVID, the pandemic is completely resetting enduring client behaviors. Consumers are changing their habits, and we are here to help them establish these new shopping behaviors, providing the personalized discovery and guidance that was previously met offline. We are also able to rapidly toggle our inventory to what is most relevant right now. As a result, now is our moment to define a new apparel model as the traditional apparel retail sector shakes out. We saw this shift very much underway in Q4 and into Q1, with surging growth in our new customer shipments. As traditional retailers close their doors, consumers are shifting to Stitch Fix as evidenced by our increased demand and growth validating that we're taking share. When retail spend rebounds in the coming months, we expect more than $30 billion of market share to move online over a 12 to 18 month period. We anticipate capturing more than our fair share of this, given the relevance of our model, particularly with the expansion of direct buy. We will be focused on the consumer segments, categories, and elements of our offering that we believe will enable us to take disproportionate share in this time. Now, let me share how we started to play offense in Q4, with the results we delivered through direct buy, and by enhancing our experience to appeal to a greater set of purchase occasions. In June…

Mike Smith

Management

Thanks, Elizabeth, and hello to everyone on today's call. First, I'll share more detail on our results from the quarter and full fiscal year. In Q4, we generated net revenue of $443 million, representing 3% growth year-over-year or 11%, excluding the impact of the extra week in Q4'19. Fiscal '20 net revenue was $1.7 billion, growing 9% over the prior year, or 11% on an adjusted basis. In the quarter, we grew active clients to 3.5 million. This represents a year-over-year increase of 286,000 clients, a 9% growth. Q4 net revenue per active client was approximately flat year-over-year on a 53 week basis and grew 2% on an adjusted basis. Note that the net revenue per active client is based on the last four fiscal quarters such that Q4'20 revenue per active client of $486 is not impacted by the extra week from Q4'19. Q4 gross margin was 44.9% representing a 410 basis point increase quarter-over-quarter driven by a reduction in our inventory reserve as we stabilized our inventory position. We’re proud of this large sequential margin improvement, and our ability to execute against the directional guidance we provided during June earnings. Full year gross margin was 44.1% or 50 basis points lower than last year. Advertising was 9.9% of net revenue in Q4 compared to 9% in Q4 of '19, and was 9.8% of net revenue in fiscal '20 compared to 9.6% fiscal '19. Other SG&A excluding advertising was 38.3% of net revenue in Q4 compared to 34.6% in Q4‘19, and was 37.3% for the full year compared to 33.4% in fiscal '19. This reflects ongoing investments in technology talent and the associated SBC expenses. Q4 adjusted EBITDA loss was $8.3 million and fiscal '20 adjusted EBITDA loss was $29.1 million. This performance was in line with our expectations…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] We'll hear first today from Edward Yruma with KeyBanc Capital Markets.

Edward Yruma

Analyst

I guess first on the success of direct buy, obviously lots of great commentary and we appreciate that. With the basket sizes, wondering if that's changed now that you have the shopping bag capability where you've seen kind of the benefit I think in August and post that? And then as a follow up, Mike, I think you'd mentioned in the release about the inventory reserve, really that helps gross margin. As you rebuild inventory, does that weigh in on the P&L? Thanks.

Katrina Lake

Management

Thanks for the questions, Edward. We will have Elizabeth probably answer the question on direct buy. And then Mike, you could take the one on inventory.

Elizabeth Spaulding

Management

Yes. Hi, there, Ed. This is Elizabeth. I think we've been really pleased to see the momentum, as you mentioned, with direct buy. And in terms of the shopping cart, we had it in a beta mode for a few months and we just very recently launched it to our full client set. So in terms of the kind of incrementality that I think you're asking about, a little bit early days to share that. I mean, I think one thing that's interesting is, even pre having the shopping cart, we had clients converting to multiple purchases even through the Buy Now feature. And so, I think we'll know more in the months to come. I think what we're excited about is that the gross margins of direct buy, we're already at parity with our Fix offering, and now with the kind of benefit of consolidated shipping that we'll be incorporating, we would expect to see margin enhancement, as well as other new features that we're launching with the cart, where if something ends up being out of stock, we can help recommend items that are “buy similar” to consumers. So more to come as the cart is in place for a longer period of time, but we were seeing people buy multiple items pre-cart as well.

Mike Smith

Management

And hey, Ed, this is Mike. Yes, the inventory reserve, we feel pretty confident about where we are relative to managing inventory. There's a couple of things I’d note. One is, just given the surge in demand, we’re seeing there's a chance we'll chase into more inventory to accomplish kind of meeting client demands. And -- but I would say that where we are from a gross margin perspective without guiding to gross margin, we feel really good about sort of what we did in Q4 and in and around that number for the rest of the year and we feel inventory is in great shape.

Operator

Operator

We'll hear next from Ross Sandler with Barclays.

Ross Sandler

Analyst

Hey, Katrina, I just had a question about the first Fix, up 50% versus the repeat. So, are these new first Fix customers -- are they comparable to customers you brought in at other time periods? And are you guys having the same success converting them to autoship or is there like a propensity given the environment that has kind of more of a one-and-done phenomenon? I'm just trying to kind of reconcile that with the guidance that Mike gave on first half and second half. And then, Mike, on CapEx. So, is this investment going into automation? And if so, I guess what will that allow Stitch Fix to do today or on the future that you're not doing today in terms of just improving processing time and dealing with inventory?

Katrina Lake

Management

Thanks for the questions, Ross. Yes, on the first question, we're seeing really great trends on the client demand side. And we really see this as just confirmation that right now the model of trying and buying personalized selections of clothing on at home. This way of shopping is more relevant than ever. And so, when we -- in terms of like the dynamic between repeat and new client, as a reminder, in Q3, we pulled back pretty significantly on marketing. And what that means is, in our business, the clients that we acquire don't just generate revenue in the quarter that we acquired them, but they actually generate revenue over a much longer period of time. So, which means that in Q3, if we acquired fewer clients, we'll see the impact of that temporarily this quarter or next quarter. But the flip side of that is that the really good trends that we're seeing on new client acquisition will also sustain for multiple quarters ahead. And so what we're seeing -- we're -- the client trends that we're seeing, while we haven't shared anything specific as to autoship for opting in, what we have shared is that we've seen almost kind of best ever trends in terms of people retaining, staying on autoship in terms of the dynamics we're seeing within the Fixes, and we don't see any reason to believe that, that will change. But right now, I think we're at a place where we're looking at kind of a first half that really is kind of anniversarying some of the client demand trends that we saw in Q3, and what that looks like for temporary effects but really optimistic as we think about the trends that we're seeing now in July and kind of what that goodness will look like in the back half of the year. Mike, why don't you take the question about CapEx?

Mike Smith

Management

Yes, sure. I mean, there's a few things going on, Ross. There's one that we can add more automation to your point and improving efficiency. So that's one area that we're going to continue to invest in. Nothing other than improving the efficiency within the four-walls. But we just -- the second thing is we need more space. I mean, given demand trends and some of the things that Elizabeth touched on in the last two quarters in terms of new inventory models, we need more space, so there's a combination of efficiency within the four walls and more square footage.

Operator

Operator

We'll move next to Mark Mahaney with RBC.

Mark Mahaney

Analyst

I want to ask a question about direct buy, the impact and the question about the UK. I would have thought that the impact of the direct buy functionality would have been kind of in order, increased retention, increased spend per customer and then only at a distance would have been kind of an impact on bringing in new customers. But it almost sounds like you're seeing it kind of evenly balanced across all three of those areas. If you could just comment on that, I would have thought that had been harder, the stretch here, I guess, to really kind of convince new people to come on, but could you just comment on the impact on all three levels of customer acquisition and retention? And then real quickly on the UK, is there something new that you've been able to do there? Do you think you've just finally reached some critical mass? Is there -- I know you had some marketing issues I think early on. Just talk about where you think you are in terms of the playbook and reaching success in that market?

Elizabeth Spaulding

Management

This is Elizabeth, Mark, I can answer both of those. On direct buy and the impact of your questions around retention, relative to spend per customer and new customers, it's interesting because, as we've said, we've not yet unleashed this, so to speak, to brand new customers. We did a very small amount of testing with the influencer program that we did in June. But that was very much on a small scale relative to the big idea so far, which is just driving incremental spend of our existing customers. And I do think it's probably something another reason to stay longer or stay more with Stitch Fix. So I think the majority of what you're seeing is actually really more in retention and spend per customer. That new customer demand that Katrina was talking about, that 50% year-on-year Fix growth within July and into August, I mean that is clients opting into Fixes, opting into autoship. The benefit is now as soon as they come in, we're very much marketing our shop offering to them as well. But the spend per customer I think is really what we've seen to-date and just penetrating our existing base. And then we have done some work already in beginning to do dormant reactivation of historic clients. And the early read on those tests have been quite successful. So we'll continue doing that as well as clients that we consider to be prospects, meaning those who've shared a lot of information with us in the past, but not yet converted. And so those are attractive pools that we will be going after. But that new customer idea is actually the big white space ahead of us. And then on your UK question, on critical mass, I mean I think we're just seeing a…

Operator

Operator

And from Piper Sandler, we'll hear from Erinn Murphy.

Erinn Murphy

Analyst

I guess I have a couple of questions. Maybe first for Elizabeth or Kat. Just following up on the surge of first Fix demand that you saw in August and -- July and August, can you just share kind of what you're seeing from kind of what type of customers these are? Is it different from age demographic? How does the mix break down versus what you've seen historically when you've seen a surge in first Fix demand? And then a second question on the shift of stylist. I believe last quarter you guys had plan to see a shift to about 1,400 stylists into lower-cost region. Just would love an update there, how easy has that been? Has there been any sticky points or kind of challenges, I guess, as you've done that?

Katrina Lake

Management

Yes. Thanks for the great question. I think first on first Fix demand, what we're seeing, we're seeing really -- we're seeing a lot of strength on Women's and Kids. And I think in Women's, what's been really exciting is really seeing that strength in Plus size. And I see that as both just a reflection of what's happening in the Plus size market, which was historically very dependent on physical in-store experiences and kind of our ability to be able to capture some of that demand. And I think it's also, I think, a testament to just like the convenience of our model and really being right where the customer wants. And so we're really, really thrilled about kind of what we're seeing there. I don't think that there's a time in terms of like how did these clients look different from past clients. But I mean, I think Plus size is one place that we're pretty excited about. Actually, one last thing I'd add on the Plus too is that we've really focused on inclusivity in marketing and in the imagery that you'll see, and I think that's another thing that's now helping that side of the business. And so that's kind of -- that's definitely some of what we're excited about with first Fixes. On the stylist side, so far, it's been great. Right now, we have a lot of open recs in the many other geographies that we hire stylists, such as Minneapolis and Texas and Ohio. And the hiring of stylists has never been a challenge for us. We really have found that there's a really, really great labor pool to draw from. And we have been used to kind of hiring at scale and hiring high volumes. And so we are currently hiring about 2,000 -- we'll be hiring about 2,000 stylists across those geographies. And we feel pretty good about our ability to onboard them seamlessly and that there'll be great demand on the stylist front for us to draw from.

Operator

Operator

We'll hear next from Heath Terry with Goldman Sachs.

Heath Terry

Analyst

I just wanted to dig a little bit further into the comments that you made around advertising. You mentioned the decline in advertising spend that we saw kind of quarter-over-quarter. Just if you can quantify for us kind of what you mean by that, just given the increase that we saw in absolute dollar spend? And then as we think about the second half recovery that you're seeing or expect to see as we get into next year, how much of that do you expect to be just recovery in overall average apparel spend versus a significant increase in the wallet share that you're seeing with your customers, particularly relative to kind of what you're seeing along that dynamic now of apparel spend versus wallet share?

Katrina Lake

Management

Yes. I'll take a stab at the first part on marketing, and the second question is really around kind of wallet share and so I'll take a stab at those two. And I think Elizabeth, Mike if I miss anything, you can jump in. The marketing pullback was really speaking to Q3 primarily, where for about 8 weeks we pulled back pretty significantly in marketing. And that was really because of supply side constraints that we had during that time period. And pulling back during those 8 weeks has a knock-on effect because the clients that we acquired during those 8 weeks don't just generate revenue then, but they actually generate revenue for the weeks and months and years to come. And so when we're talking about the pullback, we're really talking about that. And then we are -- as we kind of moved out of our backlog at the end of June, July, August, we've been able to turn marketing pretty fully back on, and we've been really, really pleased what we've been seeing on that front. And we've already talked about the 50% year-over-year for fixed rate -- for Fix growth that we've seen, and that's really been the result of being able to trend that marketing engine fully back on. In terms of our expectations around where that spend is going to come from. I mean there's definitely all the dynamics that you spoke to. I think this is undoubtedly a strange time and that people are buying less apparel for very good and obvious reasons, they are still buying apparel, however. And I think one of the really great benefits of our model is that we've been able to shift our assortment to what clients need. And you may not have thought that Stitch Fix would be known for activewear and athleisure a year or two years ago. And now we're really able to sell that really effectively to our clients and really we’re able to meet our clients where they are. And so I think as people’s apparel needs change, we are able to shift the assortment appropriately to where they are. And I do think that we will continue to see people more comfortable buying cloths online and people more committed to continuing to buy cloths online. And so while this is a very challenging time for apparel retail, in general, as people behaviors are changing dramatically, and people are buying less volume today, we really do believe that the behavior shifts that are happening today are going to be permanent and that -- and those will be pretty significant tailwinds and I guess benefit to our business long-term.

Operator

Operator

We'll move on to Cory Carpenter with JPMorgan.

Cory Carpenter

Analyst

So I just wanted to dig in a bit more on margins. Maybe relative to the strategic investments you called out last year, was $110 million in the Shareholder Letter. Could you just talk about your biggest priorities this year and how it differs from last year? And then where you expect to see the better leverage to really drive the margin expansion you guided to? And then as a follow-up, you mentioned still for any catch up on the supply side. Could you just expand some around where you're into constraints and your ability to address those in the near term?

Katrina Lake

Management

Yes. I can take the first one about supply constraints. And then Mike, it's so hard and we can't see each other in the room. Mike will take the question around margins, we'll do a little bit in reverse order. But on supply constraints, we've largely worked through a lot of the supply constraints that we talked about, were ones that were temporary to the time period that really were COVID-related. We had shared in the prior quarters that we had given our warehouse that flexibility with 4 weeks of additional PTO to be able to stay out of our facilities if they needed to. And now we're in a place where we feel pretty good about our ability to be able to coexist with the threat of COVID in our warehouses. And so we've really figured out how to systematize and operationalize and operate safely. And so, while there of course could be small disruptions in the future, we don't anticipate significant disruption. And then the second one is really around inventory. We came through a lot of receipts. We moved around a lot of receipts. And that was really I think, one, out of conservatism, that's just like not knowing how demand was going to materialize. And the second part was really around relevancy and we're quite glad that we did that. Obviously, the consumer has changed the time in terms of what he or she is looking for. And so being able to shift receipts out of things like workwear and things that we knew were not going to be relevant and into more relevant categories was super important for us, but also that takes some time. And so those are really the primary supply constraints that really we see -- those are pretty much behind us. Now we've actually been seeing such great demand on the first Fix side, that we actually see some elevated wait times which means that we're a little bit above kind of where we anticipated being. But of course, that's a really nice problem to have. And we feel good about our supply side operations. We feel good about the inventory dynamics and the inventory that we have coming in our doors right now. And so largely, I think we've worked through a lot of the supply side constraints. So Mike, why don't I have you take the question about margin?

Mike Smith

Management

Yes. Cory, I mean, there's kind of three big things. One is, what we referenced, accelerated growth in the back half of the year. So just expected higher revenue numbers against the cost basis that from where we are today. And then the second one is just scale of the business. We continue, as we grow the business, the scale finds opportunities to get leverage in certain cost parts of our business. And so scale helps kind of on inventory costs as an example and other parts of our variable expenses. And the third is what we referenced on the call, which is just the way businesses like the UK and Kids are scaling and the improvement in contribution margins that we're seeing in those businesses, as they grow, we're excited about that. And so like I said, '19 and '20 were heavier investment years, we talked about that with you guys for a long time. We knew '21 would likely be a little bit less, but we also felt like now is the time to continue to invest because of things like direct buy and things that are driving other better client experiences that it makes sense to continue to invest in this. But it's really growth scale and the glide path of those investments that I mentioned.

Operator

Operator

From Truist Securities, we'll move next to Youssef Squali.

Youssef Squali

Analyst

Two questions for me, please. On the $30 billion that you talked about in your prepared remarks and also in the letter, that's likely to move online in the next 12 to 18 months, how much of that is truly relevant to you today? And as you look into the opportunity of taking more than your fair share, do you feel that it's more happening or it's going to happen on the Fixes side, your traditional business model? Or is it going to happen on the direct buy side? And how will you be going out around the direct side -- direct buy side? It’s trended for you as kind of one of the key pieces there? And then Michael, maybe for you. With all the cost adjustments you made for COVID, does that change your 11% to 13% long-term EBITDA margin target, which you've shared with us in the past? And I know that 11% to 13%, that's inclusive of SBC. So if we were to exclude SBC, what would that you target look like if you could provide an update?

Katrina Lake

Management

Thanks for the question, Youssef. I'll have Mike take the second part of the question. On the first one, the $30 billion that's moving online, I mean I think a large portion of that is pretty relevant to us. I mean, of course, today, as we think about where are the places that we don't play, we don't play as much in the very low-value price point and in the very high end. But candidly, a lot of where we play right now is in the accessible every day on very democratic price points. And so from that lens, I think a lot of that market share is available to us. And from a category perspective, I think we just talked about how we've been able to shift our assortment from one where jeans and tops and things for work were things that we sold a lot of to a place where we're now selling a lot of comfortable clothes in athleisure and sport. And so I think from a category assortment perspective, we actually have a pretty wide playing field and the ability to pivot into anything that is really highly relevant and where the customer wants to be. And so I think we see that opportunity as a pretty compelling one. In terms of how we think about the business all working together, I mean, I would love to see a future where we're really talking about Stitch Fix as the personalization engine and spending less time around the channel, whether it's direct buy or Fixes. What we've learned is that they really work together really well. I mean, a lot of our -- we talked about the really strong growth that we're seeing in Fixes right now. Fixes are still a really significant growth engine for us. And what we're finding right now is that Fixes are a great way to get somebody appointed with Stitch Fix, get somebody to understand Stitch Fix and direct buy is a great way to be able to get to know them even better and to be able to fill even more of their needs. And as Elizabeth alluded to, over time, we believe that direct buy can also potentially be an acquisition vehicle, but we really see all of these as kind of building blocks on top of this personalization capability that can kind of give people a lot of different ways to be able to engage with us. And so I think right now, in the near term, we see Fixes as being a primary way that we're acquiring clients, bringing people into our ecosystem and then being able to upsell and capture greater share of wallet through direct buy, but there's so much potential with direct buy and that we could see those kind of engaging in different ways over time. So hopefully, that answers most of your -- and Elizabeth, if you want a weigh in if I missed anything?

Elizabeth Spaulding

Management

No, I think that was a great -- I mean, overall, exactly where we're headed. I mean, I guess the one thing, Youssef, historically, Stitch Fix has not been able to participate in things like SEO and bringing customers in, if they were looking for a particular product category. And as we expand our shopping experience to be something that customers might start with as part of that overall personalization engine that Kat was describing, that allows us to have that as an entry point rather than simply as an add-on. And that's where we get really excited about the expansion of our TAM and really largely tapping to the majority of that $30 billion that we talked about. And so we view that as a real opportunity for us in the quarters to come as we begin to ungate direct buy clients.

Mike Smith

Management

Yes. Hey, Youssef, I mean the changes in COVID kind of in our cost structure, while it's been hard, and we've worked through them, I don't feel -- I feel really good about kind of where we are, not deleveraging our cost structure. So to answer your question directly, the 11% to 14% with SBC still represents what we believe is the long-term margin targets. There's just more tailwinds in the business that we're seeing that gives us even more confidence about those targets. We have not given sort of guidance or talked much about what that number might look like without SBC.

Operator

Operator

We'll move on to Kunal Madhukar with Deutsche Bank.

Kunal Madhukar

Analyst

A couple, if I may. One, looking back, as you see the -- or as we see the decline in revenue per active customer, how much was that, was because you missed a couple of maybe Fixes for a few subscribers versus people kind of going dark on the subscriptions themselves? That's one. And second is with regard to a follow-up to Youssef's question right now. In terms of your marketing message, so as you go out and target this $30 billion opportunity, will your marketing message be more focused on the subscription side? Or will it be more focused on the direct buy side?

Katrina Lake

Management

Yes. Thanks for your questions. And I think when you're talking about sales per active client, are you talking about sales per active client not growing as fast as it has in prior quarters, just to specify? Because we actually didn't show a decline.

Kunal Madhukar

Analyst

So what I did was, I looked at the proportion of direct buy. So if direct buy is peak for women and is high single-digits for Men's, that means direct buy is probably about 10% of revenue. So if direct buy is 10% of revenue, then that means that the $486 on a comp basis would probably be more like $446 versus last year.

Katrina Lake

Management

I see what you're saying. Right? So I mean, what we've seen in A/B test is that we've seen that given people access to direct buy actually increases the total amount that they spend with Stitch Fix. To your point, this definitely can be that people -- there are some people who are spending a lot more in direct buy and less in Fixes. And there are some people that might be spending slightly more in direct buy. But net-net, what we know from the A/B test that we ran was that with statistical significance direct buy was increasing our wallet penetration. And so we are able to serve our clients better. We are able to serve more of their needs. And so I think that's the kind of broader trend that you're talking about. And I think over time, we're not super worried, honestly. It's like there is going to be some people who are going to be spending a lot of money in direct buy. We actually see that as a really good thing, and we see those as clients that we may not have been able to serve really well with just Fixes. And so I think it's really just a testament to the model being able to be flexible to be able to store people who want to shop in different ways. And then the second part of your question around marketing message as we think about how to move forward from here, we -- when we think about Fixes, we probably don't think of it as a subscription. We really think of it on Stitch Fix as being this high revenue engagement model. And so people who choose to get Fixes on a quarterly basis or on every other month basis, that's just a convenient…

Operator

Operator

We'll hear next from Dana Telsey with Telsey Advisory Group.

Dana Telsey

Analyst

As you think about the plan for fiscal '21, it’s showing the expense leverage in adjusted EBITDA, what levers are you working with in order to get that leverage investment versus spend or is it top-line? And then on the product side, with the increasing penetration of active, how does that differentiate in terms of margins? And what percentage of the business you think it goes to?

Katrina Lake

Management

Yes. Thanks for the question, Dana. I'll probably take your first one around active. We -- our active business actually has really great gross margins. We have -- in some of our business lines, just in Men's as an example, we have an exclusive brand called 01.Algo, that's been doing really well. That's -- that had great margins, it’s exclusive brand of ours. And we actually -- we have a pretty good balance of branded product, EB, lesser-known active brands as well as the active brands that people know that we've talked about. And so I don't -- active, I think, will continue to contribute to the margin profile. There's nothing we're concerned about there. I'll have Mike take the kind of the first part of your question around kind of more broadly where we're seeing that leverage come from?

Mike Smith

Management

Yes. Hey, Dana, I mean, there's a few things. So you've called it out. The top-line is probably the biggest driver of it, but there is just less hiring that we'll be doing in fiscal '21. It's always what we've talked about. When it doesn't -- when we don't need to hire against amazing initiatives, then we will. But we always have like a whole steady state of amazing things to do. But I think it's mostly top-line that's driving it and just running the business better. I mean we've had leverage in past years almost every year and variable expenses we've called out before as places that we've gotten leverage I think every year that I've been at the company. So it's running the business better, but mostly coming out of top-line.

Operator

Operator

And from Baird, we'll hear from Mark Altschwager.

Mark Altschwager

Analyst

I also wanted to follow-up on the marketing backdrop. Maybe first, can you talk about some of the efficiencies you're seeing in the various channels? And maybe how you're feeling about ROIs relative to earlier this summer? And then separately, just given this unique moment here with customers accelerating the adoption of online shopping, many perhaps haven't refreshed their logos in a while given the pandemic and work from home. Just curious if there's any change to your approach to advertising over the fall and holiday this year versus how you've approached it historically? Then separately, just for Mike, when you spoke to leverage, you have the caveat in there that you'll be responsive to opportunities on the advertising front. Curious if your thoughts on that 9% to 11% range have changed at all? I guess you were slightly below the midpoint of that in fiscal 2020. So I'm trying to get a sense of how much of the swing factor that could be in fiscal 2021?

Katrina Lake

Management

Yes. Thanks for the questions, Mark. In terms of anything we've seen, like this is -- the efficiencies that we're seeing in June and/or in July, August, I mean this is really as we've been able to ramp up marketing again. And the spending less in June, May in those prior months was actually not a result of efficiency, but it was really about our capacity. And so I think what we're seeing is that since the pandemic and since people see this, that was being kind of a less temporary way of living, that there is more and more demand for an offering like ours and that our message around being able to have personalized selections of apparel to be able to shop from the comfort of your own home, that, that value proposition is really resonating. And we're seeing that really across kind of all of our channels. And I think and as Elizabeth has alluded to, I think one of the opportunities even incrementally to all of this is as we think about having direct buy and having products that is kind of standing alone outside of our site that we would actually be able to use channels like SEO and ways that we have it historically. And so those are, I think, other reasons that we're optimistic on the marketing front. But given this -- your question around, like are we going to change any of our approach in terms of channel shift on marketing? Every day, we're always looking at ROIs. We're always looking at where we're seeing better ROIs on different messaging and where we're seeing on different channels. And so there’s a big data science team that's devoted to this very exercise. And so we are always looking at our channels to understand are there channels that are doing better or worse or places we should invest more in? And so we will continue to do that. And so there will undoubtedly be shift that happens in between channels. But I don't think that there’s really big significant changes that we're anticipating now. But the fact that we have a very diverse set of channels to market and to be able to choose from and to be able to shift dollars to in front means that we can always be pretty flexible to make sure that we're taking advantage of channels that are working really well for us. Mike, I think there's a second question there around just how we're thinking about the long-range in marketing spend?

Mike Smith

Management

Yes. I mean, Mark, you picked up on it. I mean, I think -- and Katrina has talked [Technical Difficulty] and we will continue to have a very ROI-focused approach to how we're spending our marketing dollars. But there is a chance that we see [Technical Difficulty] share and the percent of sales [Technical Difficulty] and the contribution margins that we've seen. So more to come. But again, it will likely be opportunistic if we're in the market, and we see opportunities to take share on a very comfortable ROI basis.

Operator

Operator

And that will conclude today's question-and-answer session at this time. I'd like to turn things back to Katrina for closing remarks.

Katrina Lake

Management

Thank you, everybody, for joining us today. We look forward to keeping you up-to-date on our business in the quarters to come. Stay safe.

Operator

Operator

And that will conclude today's conference. Again, thank you all for joining us.