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Selective Insurance Group, Inc. (SIGI)

Q3 2014 Earnings Call· Thu, Oct 30, 2014

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Operator

Operator

Good day everyone. Welcome Selective Insurance Group’s Third Quarter 2014 Earnings Release Conference Call. At this time for opening remarks and introductions I would like to turn the call over to Senior Vice President, Investor Relations and Treasurer, Ms. Jennifer DiBerardino.

Jennifer DiBerardino

Management

Thank you. Good morning, and welcome to Selective Insurance's third quarter 2014 conference call. This call is being simulcast on our website and a replay will be available through December 1, 2014. A supplemental investor package, which includes GAAP reconciliations of non-GAAP financial measures referred to on this call, is available on the Investors page of our website at www.selective.com. Selective uses operating income, a non-GAAP measure, to analyze trends and operations. Operating income is net income excluding the after-tax impact of net realized investment gains or losses, as well as the after-tax results of discontinued operations. We believe that providing this non-GAAP measure makes it easier for investors to evaluate our insurance business. As a reminder, some of the statements and projections that will be made during this call are forward-looking statements, as defined by the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward -looking statements are not guarantees of future performance and are subject to risks and uncertainties. We refer you to Selective's Annual Report on Form 10-K and any subsequent Form 10-Qs filed with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission for a detailed discussion of these risks and uncertainties. Please note that Selective undertakes no obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements. Joining me today on the call are the following members of Selective's executive management team; Greg Murphy, CEO; John Marchioni, President and Chief Operating Officer; Dale Thatcher, CFO; and Ron Zaleski, Chief Actuary. Now, I'll turn the call over to Dale to review the results.

Dale A. Thatcher

Management

Thanks, Jen and good morning. We are very pleased with third quarter results as our insurance operations posted an excellent quarter and investment results were in line with our expectations. Now three quarters through the year, our ex-CAT statutory combined ratio stands at a solid 91.8%. Operating income per diluted share for the quarter was $0.76, up 81% from $0.42 per diluted share a year ago. Excluding the impact of favorable prior year category development and catastrophe losses operating earnings per diluted share were 40% higher than the third quarter of 2013. The third quarter statutory combined ratio was 91.5%, compared to 96.3% a year ago, and our underlying combined ratio excluding catastrophes and prior year casualty development improved by 2.4 points. A light quarter for weather led to catastrophe losses of only 1.2 points compared to 2.7 points in the prior year period. Favorable prior year casualty reserve development in the quarter was $8 million or 1.7 points compared to $3.5 million or 0.8 points a year ago. As has been the case in recent quarters, general liability was the greatest contributor to the favorable development with $11 million or 2.4 points on the overall combined ratio. As you analyze our results this quarter, keep in mind the elevated property losses from the first half of the year were substantially paid in the third quarter leading to a decline in reserves on a sequential quarter basis. On overall basis statutory net premiums written up 0.5% in the quarter with standard commercial lines flat, while our growth moderated compared to the second quarter. The sale of our Self-Insured Group announced in the first quarter of this year impacted production numbers as most of this business had third quarter renewal base. Excluding the $27 million in premiums written by this group…

John J. Marchioni

Management

Thanks, Dale. I’m very encouraged by our success in implementing the underwriting and claims initiatives that have resulted in our underlying profitability improvement. This is in spite of some headwinds we’ve experienced with price moderation, competition for new business opportunities, and continued low interest rates. The commercialized market is becoming increasingly competitive; we have successfully managed the delicate balance between rate retention over the past four years relying on sophisticated underwriting and pricing tools along with very strong agency relationships. Moving forward, in addition to underwriting and claims improvements, we remained focused on achieving pure rate increases, an amount that meets or exceeds expected loss inflation trends. Our highest quality accounts in the first nine months of the year we achieve pure rate of 5% and point of renewal retention of 89%. These accounts comprised 54% of our standard commercial lines renewal book. Our lower quality accounts we achieved pure rate of 12% and point-of-renewal retention of 74%. These accounts represent 8% of our standard commercial lines renewal book. We have taken a number of actions to improve underwriting results over the past few years which are yielding positive results. We improved the hazard mix on our Workers Compensation book of business by focusing on lower hazard accounts. We have also targeted specific classes of business for re-underwriting. An example of this is a significant reduction in snow plowing exposure in the contractors book. Most importantly our underwriters are using the dynamic portfolio manager tool to target the lowest performing business for significant rate increases or reducing retention in order to improve the overall profitability of their individually managed books of business. When taken altogether, these actions are having a positive effect on our underlying profitability. We are very encouraged by the positive claim trends emerging as a result of…

Gregory E. Murphy

Management

Thank you, John. The strong results for both the quarter and year-to-date reflects the hard work of our 2100 employees and 1100 retail agents, and 85 wholesale general agents to execute on our strategies in a more competitive market as results of a significant efforts over the past three year period we feel confident in our 2014 92 ex-CAT statutory combined ratio target. We presented this target and our strategies to achieve it in May 2012, and we have been tracking very closely to our expectations on all fronts, rate, loss inflation trends, underwriting actions, and claims initiatives. While commercial lines renewal pure price pricing is under some industry wide pressure for the first nine months of 2014, we have successfully achieved renewal pure price increases of 5.8%. For several years we have been achieving rate above loss inflation and at levels higher than the industry. While not every competitor discloses their renewal pure price changes on a quarterly basis, against the peers that do, we tend to be one of the top performing companies. Our expectation for the full year 2014 is to obtain overall renewal pure price increases of approximately 5.5%. We are on track with our overall profitability goals and continue to make progress while monitoring the state of the industry for a profitable growth opportunities. In 2015 we expect to generate new business growth from one, the expansion of our distribution force and new products; two, increasing our share of volume from both retail and wholesale agents; and three, obtaining more E&S business from Selective's retail agents. Another area of focus has been customer experience that promotes loyalty and best in class service. While service is the part of our culture since Selective's founding over the past several years we have been implementing numerous customers experience initiatives including a roll out of a more user friendly bill, a mobile service app, and driving self service through our online and mobile offerings. We are also tracking service levels through surveys that produce net promoter scores. We view this as an opportunity to increase retention and profitability. In recognition of improving operating results and capital levels, the Board of Directors declared an 8% quarterly dividend increase to $0.14 per share effective December 1, 2014 to shareholders of record on November 14, 2014. As been our practice, we will release our 2015 expectations with the fourth quarter earnings in January. For 2014, our guidance is as follows; an ex-CAT statutory combined ratio of 92 which includes no additional prior year casualty development, 4 to 4.5 points of catastrophe losses for the year, after tax investment income of approximately $105 million, and weighted average shares of 57.4 million. Now I’ll turn the call over to the operator for your questions.

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions). Our first question is from Vincent DeAugustino from KBW.

John J. Marchioni

Management

Good morning Vince. Vincent DeAugustino - Keefe, Bruyette & Woods, Inc.: So, just a couple of quick ones on the nice quarter here. So, John to your point on shifting the focus on the Workers Comp side to lower hazard business, I was just curious if you might get a call some of the industries broadly I guess, I don’t want to give away too much competitive information there but just where you have an increased appetite? And then secondly maybe for Dale, I am just thinking how you guys operate on the reserve side, I wouldn’t expect your projected development patterns to immediately change there but conceptionally would you agree that there should be shorter tail segment of the Workers Comp business with quicker claims payment? And then kind of what the mix versus low hazard versus just maybe regular business going forward might be in a few years?

John J. Marchioni

Management

Alright, so I will start Vince and then Dale could jump in on the reserving side. With regard to appetite and success, I guess the first thing to point out would be as you know, where we have historically been in a heavier contract with market overall. That has come down in terms of mix over the last few years. That has been a concern and from our part we continue to be a very strong contractor to this market and a very probable contractors market where we have really tried to diversify into other segments. In terms of the segments that when you think about lower hazard smaller Workers Comp industry verticals that we are talking about here, I would say you think about that heavily in the retail and the service type business segments which are generally Bob (ph) based products and the ability to go out and write the Workers Comp on those competitively I would say is a big part of our expectation and strategies going forward.

Dale A. Thatcher

Management

And Vince on the reserve development side, I mean as you know with our book of business just in general terms being more small commercial it already tends to have a little bit shorter tail than the broad industry. And clearly a lower hazard comp book we would expect to have a somewhat shorter tail also but Workers Comp is the longest tail line that’s out there. But -- so certainly we would expect to see some benefit from that but I can’t say that it would be dramatic enough to make large modifications to our scheduled P patterns. Vincent DeAugustino - Keefe, Bruyette & Woods, Inc.: Okay, got it.

Gregory E. Murphy

Management

And then finally Vince, we have a very specific internal targets, we don’t talk about those externally in terms of shipping the mix and we really think about those on a policy account basis because as you would expect your higher severity classes carry higher average premiums. So you are really going to see this. The shift ought to manifest itself in policy accounts first and foremost and then later on you are going to see it on a premium mix basis. We manage that internally, we hold our production folks accountable just moving those targets but we just haven’t talked about those externally.

John J. Marchioni

Management

And business is great. And also just kind of ducktail on the whole comp question, obviously we had the conversations with you, we saw the clock comp claims handling down in Charlotte. We feel very confident and good about what we have done there. We had triage model in place now. We have got our strategic case management unit fully staffed now. And we are in the process of moving the balance of our inventory out of our five regional offices there. There is a small case remain there and we pulled through that office. So we feel really good about how we are going to be handling comp going down the road specifically around the specialties that we will be able to create on plan handling and the level of focus that we will have now going forward is greatly increased as one centralized unit versus how it is handled previously despite more or less decentralized kind of units. So we really look forward to some fundamental improvement in our comp book going forward. Vincent DeAugustino - Keefe, Bruyette & Woods, Inc.: Okay, color there is actually really helpful and I actually do think the consolidation within (inaudible). So just want a sense -- so John, just on the Personal Lines product change so when I think about kind of some of the big, let's call it agency focused insurers, mainly you guys in Cincinnati and Hanover, you know, Hanover and Cincinnati both have recently had some new products come to market within the Personal Line space so I am wondering how much does your new edge product look and feel similar to those?

John J. Marchioni

Management

Yes, so clearly when we designed product changes we are looking at the competitive set that we have in most of our agents. We certainly view our product in line and in certain cases better than that. And honestly I would say if you were to survey our agency plan, they would tell you that our home products has historically been very, very good from a coverage perspective relative to the industry. And for us this is really trying to package up those coverage enhancements on both the home and the auto side in a way that is easier for agents to market that product to this customer base.

Gregory E. Murphy

Management

But we feel very good about how it is positioned in those, in the competitive set that we see typically. Vincent DeAugustino - Keefe, Bruyette & Woods, Inc.: Okay and sorry if I missed this, with other calls joining a little bit late but on maturity side did you guys happen to talk about the reserve action there or I can just grab the transcript afterwards maybe?

Dale A. Thatcher

Management

You mean excess and surplus as a -- Vincent DeAugustino - Keefe, Bruyette & Woods, Inc.: I am sorry, not sure, E&S sorry my bad.

Dale A. Thatcher

Management

Actually we had a $4 million adverse development there on the E&S and I can't remember this as a young book and a small book. So we do expect some level of volatility as we gain experience and background with that. We do maintain our commitment to the profitability expectations that we have there although we don’t think that we will achieve the initial combined ratio that we thought we are going to get for this year 2014. But we did think that our overall basis were in good shape and remember we did tend to react very quickly to any kind of adverse patterns in our reserves because we like to stay on top of that and maintain a very strong balance sheet. Vincent DeAugustino - Keefe, Bruyette & Woods, Inc.: Okay, alright. Great guys, talk to you soon, thank you.

John J. Marchioni

Management

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Mark Dwelle of RBC Capital Markets.

John J. Marchioni

Management

Good morning Mark.

Mark Dwelle - RBC Capital Markets

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets

Yeah, this is kind of the quarter we have been watching for, for some time. So I don’t want to pick on the negative but on the -- I guess when I think about the adverse development charge in the E&S unit, I guess what it implies to me is if the -- if you hadn’t had that charge backs your run rate would have been in the mid 90s. Is that more of the level that we should think about going forward or is there a factor of mix or something else that might make that number lower than I would might otherwise guess?

Dale A. Thatcher

Management

Mark as we talked about from us even getting into the E&S business it was with the recognition that on a historic basis this area within the industry has tended to perform at 6 to 10 points better than the commercial line space. And it is our full expectation to be able to overtime achieve that same level of performance. So I agree with your mathematical assessment that we would have been in the mid 90s with that and that’s clearly what our goal is. We’ll lay that out in more detail when we provide guidance for 2015 that’s where we think that’s going to perform next quarter.

John J. Marchioni

Management

And Mark just to add to that as we scale up more then we’ll be able to see some of the expense ratio efficiencies but I think you know the core of that expense ratios is pretty solidly based around commissions paid to the wholesale agency. So I think it’s going to take us some time where we feel very comfortable about the quality of the book and what we are doing. We made a lot of fine tuning and we’ll continue as we are pretty aggressive on dealing with issues that manifest themselves and you know just take a look at the comp how everybody was on that. And we feel very good about the comp and I think that’s how we manage our organization overall.

Mark Dwelle - RBC Capital Markets

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets

Okay, kind of a little bit in that same vein then, you talked about some business that you were shifting sort of away from standard and towards E&S, can you talk about just in general how you’re seeing business flows or is business still flowing in that direction or more generally are you seeing flows come out of the specialty area and towards the standard lines.

John J. Marchioni

Management

I don’t think we are seeing a big shift. You know the one big segment that you did see move from standard to E&S over the last couple of years has been on the habitational side. That’s not a place that we played in on the admitted market, with our admitted product but we certainly do on the E&S side. I would say that’s kind of leveled off and I think on the upper end of E&S which is not where we really play on the brokerage side business, the larger accounts. I do think you are starting to see a little bit more of that migrate back to the admitted market. But I don’t think you are seeing a big shift beyond those two areas at this point.

Mark Dwelle - RBC Capital Markets

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets

Okay, that’s helpful and then the last question I had and maybe this is a question for anybody, Greg maybe just in general on the mood of customers at this stage we’ve been raising rates for 4, 5 or 6 years in some cases. I know when I get that many rate increases I eventually kind of get tired of it. What are you sensing from your agencies and what are people telling you about how customers are, where their mood is at this stage of the cycle?

Gregory E. Murphy

Management

I think you said it pretty well. There is a little fatigue out there and that’s probably the best word to use. Our sense is that going forward I think what we need to do and we have been trying (inaudible) seasoned out their customers. There should be some level of ongoing expectation of rate relative to loss inflation trends. And I think that’s the way we like to talk about it and refer to it. I have heard many of our other competitors use that kind of language and I think that just reflects that we just can’t start these wild cyclical swings where you’re reducing rates substantially in some years and then trying to build back rate up over. But I will say that there is a number of companies that are going to be moving into the 2015 time period, that still are going to require some fundamental improvement in their core underwriting results and if you haven’t done the heavy lifting that we’ve done its going to be very difficult out there.

Mark Dwelle - RBC Capital Markets

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets

Okay, thanks for the color. Great quarter.

Gregory E. Murphy

Management

Thank you.

Dale A. Thatcher

Management

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions). Next we have Mike Zaremski from Balyasny Asset Management.

Mike Zaremski - Balyasny Asset Management

Analyst

Hey, good Morning gentlemen.

Dale A. Thatcher

Management

Good morning.

Mike Zaremski - Balyasny Asset Management

Analyst

In regards to the investment income guidance, I was just curious markets have obviously been choppy so far this quarter, have you guys contemplated within that guidance the potential for weaker alternative returns?

Dale A. Thatcher

Management

Basically if you look at where we are through the nine months and kind of work through that it is clear that our original guidance of $100 million was a little bit short of where we will ultimately be. That’s why we have bumped into the 105. So we haven’t included any dramatic expectations for material changes in any of the classes of investments that we are in.

Mike Zaremski - Balyasny Asset Management

Analyst

Got it, okay and then lastly on the E&S reserve additions0, can you provide any color on actually what drove the additions, was it casualty, property, or a mix of both that will be helpful, thank you?

Dale A. Thatcher

Management

It was all casualty development. Remember that book of business is 75% casualty and 25% property. And basically since that is brand new we have ordered it at the end of 2011, it was clearly the 2012 and 2013 actual years.

Gregory E. Murphy

Management

And the only other thing I would add there from a casualty perspective it was -- we are at GL rate, there is no comp in that book, there is no commercial auto in that book, it is purely GL.

Mike Zaremski - Balyasny Asset Management

Analyst

Got it, thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. There are no other questions in the queue at this time.

Gregory E. Murphy

Management

Thank you. If you have any follow-up matters please contact Jennifer or Dale. Thank you very much for participating on the call.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. You may disconnect your lines at this time.