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Sprott Inc. (SII)

Q4 2018 Earnings Call· Sat, Mar 2, 2019

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to Sprott Inc.'s 2018 Annual Results Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. Instructions will be provided at that time for you to queue up for questions. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded today, February 28, 2019. On behalf of the speakers that follow, listeners are cautioned that today's presentation and the responses to questions may contain forward-looking statements within the meaning of the safe harbor provisions of the Canadian provincial securities law. Forward-looking statements involve risks and uncertainties, and undue reliance should not be placed on such statements. Certain material factors or assumptions are implied in making forward-looking statements, and actual results may differ materially from those expressed or implied in such statements. For additional information about factors that may cause actual results to differ materially from expectations and about material factors or assumptions implied in making forward-looking statements, please consult the MD&A for the quarter and Sprott's other filings with the Canadian securities regulators. I will now turn the call over to Peter Grosskopf. Please go ahead Mr. Grosskopf.

Peter Grosskopf

Management

Thank you, Operator. Good morning everyone, and thanks for joining us today. On the call with me today is our President, Whitney George; our Chief Financial Officer, Kevin Hibbert and John Ciampaglia, Chief Executive Officer of Sprott Asset Management. Our 2018 annual results were released this morning and are available on our website where you can also find the financial statements and MD&A. I'll start on Slide 4 with a quick look back at 2018. Our assets under management grew by 500 million during Q4 and end of the year at 10.6 billion, up 44% from the end of last year. The yearly increase was due largely to the acquisition of the CFCL assets at the beginning of 2018, while the quarterly increase was due to the stronger precious metal prices in December. Adjusted EBITDA was 40.5 million for the year, an increase of 51% over 2017 on a normalized basis. We continue to draw down and deploy capital in our Private Lending LPs and we are increasing our assets under management in this business to approximately 500 million from 250 million at the end of 2017. We also expanded our digital gold portfolio with the launch of one gold direct channel online platform for the purchase of digital precious metals. Turning now to Slide 5 for a look at our progress in the first couple of months of 2019, we continue to gather assets in our lending business and attained 965 million in committed capital, up from 625 million at the end of Q3. These commitments will become fee generating AUM as they are drawn down and deployed by our lending LPs. As the interest in precious metals increases, our physical trusts are seeing increased trading volumes and tighter discounts. After experiencing some redemption pressure in 2018, we are…

Kevin Hibbert

Chief Financial Officer

Thanks, Peter and good morning everyone. I'll start on Slide 9 with a look at our 2018 AUM. AUM was $10.6 billion as at December 31, 2018, up $500 million or 5% from the third quarter and up $3.3 billion or 44% from December 31, 2017. The increase in the quarter was primarily due to higher precious metals prices in our physical trusts net of redemptions. The increase on a full year basis was primarily due to the successful acquisition of CFC L and higher capital call activity in our lending LPs. These increases more than offset the redemption activity in our physical trust and sub advised product offerings. Moving on to Slide 10 for a look at our 2018 earnings results, adjusted based EBITDA in the quarter was $10.1 million, which was up $2.6 million or 34% from the prior period. On a full year basis, adjusted base EBITDA was $40.5 million, up $300,000 or 1% from 2017. On a normalized for your basis, i.e., excluding the impact of the 2017 sale of our non-core Canadian diversified funds business and the reversal of loan loss provision and booking of related catch up interest on a previous impaired loan, adjusted base EBITDA was up $13.7 million or 51% from 2017. The increases on a three and 12 months ended basis, both reported and normalized, were primarily due to higher net fees on the newly acquired CFCL assets and over $300 million of newly called capital into our lending LPs in 2018. These increases were further bolstered by lower SG&A spend across the company, but were also partially offset by lower fee income in our US based fixed term LPs and lower net commissions due to slower year-over-year equity origination and private placement activity in our Canadian and US broker dealers.…

Peter Grosskopf

Management

Thanks, Kevin. In recent years, Sprott has invested in our platform while many of our competitors have either shuttered their funds, turned to indexing or otherwise downsized. As a result we are now one of the last and I would argue the most experienced global specialists in a sector that is growing in acceptance as a real asset class with attractive insurance like qualities. With the investments we've made in the platform and the talent we've been able to attract in all of our business units, we reiterate that we're in a position to manage growth and AUM and in general and what we expect to be a long-term uptrend and precious metal prices. Looking out at the remainder of 2019, we'll continue to deploy capital in our existing lending LPs and raise new assets in these and complementary strategies that we will deploy beginning in the second half of this year. We are committed to rebuilding our managed equities platform and we think that the Sprott, Hathaway JV will be an important step in this process. And finally, we continue to explore both end market and complimentary strategic acquisition opportunities. That concludes our remarks for today. We'll now open the call to answering your questions. Operator?

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Gary Ho of Desjardins Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

Gary Ho

Analyst · Desjardins Capital Markets. Your line is now open

Thanks, good morning. Want to start off with a question on the lending fund, so perhaps for Peter. The piece of the capital deployment has been a bit slower than I anticipated with a rebound in precious metals prices and related equities over the past few months. Did that have an impact on the timing of when gold companies may draw on these loans versus perhaps issuing equity as an alternative?

Peter Grosskopf

Management

No, that wasn't really a factor. The pipeline which is at all-time record highs was actually mostly affected by the opposite, which is lack of equity into the sector. So there's been a number of deals that have kind of been in a holding pattern until their borrowers could refinance the equity components of what they were looking at. I guess, even though equity prices increased, those increases were mostly focused on the larger cap mining equities, the smaller caps have generally still been very thin and illiquid and hard to finance, so if anything, the holdup has been for the opposite reason.

Gary Ho

Analyst · Desjardins Capital Markets. Your line is now open

Okay. And then maybe, I guess, related to that, like when higher prices increased the likelihood of kind of more project financing as it makes the projects more attractive or how should we think about that?

Peter Grosskopf

Management

Well, it's so hard to tell. On the one hand we're counter cyclical in the lending business. So the worse the sector gets them, the better the deal terms get. So for deployment [indiscernible], difficult market condition is better. But for harvesting, and perhaps for overall deal volumes, better, markets are good. So it's really just a very steady business. But even though it's steady, it's chunky. And we might have as we do now $600 million or $800 million in the pipeline and deals get delayed for a month or two. And then all of a sudden we have 400 million in deployments, so it's very hard to call quarter-to-quarter.

Gary Ho

Analyst · Desjardins Capital Markets. Your line is now open

Okay, okay appreciate that. And then maybe for Kevin, I'm kind of piece together a few other comments in you're prepared remarks as it impacts kind of the base EBITDA. So it sounds like that level of the LTIP is coming down that's a positive, but is offset by the run off of the balance sheet loans versus the ramp up and management fees in 2019. Just wondering if you can help me quantify some of these pieces and how should I think about that as it relates to 2019?

Kevin Hibbert

Chief Financial Officer

Hi, Gary. So yeah, you got the comments correct. To quantify that, we don't provide earnings guidance obviously, but happy to give you a little bit more technical color into those numbers maybe if you can give me a shout after the call, happy to do that or any anyone else on the call if they want that I could do that then. Just don't want to take up too much time going into the specific details around those items right now.

Gary Ho

Analyst · Desjardins Capital Markets. Your line is now open

Okay and then just lastly, with a movement in gold price year-to-date, can you provide us maybe an update on where AUM stands right now?

Kevin Hibbert

Chief Financial Officer

So AUM right now is - there hasn't been a significant change in where AUM levels are so far, but it is still pretty early in the year. February's just recently closed, so based on what we've seen in January there hasn't been a huge amount of movement.

Gary Ho

Analyst · Desjardins Capital Markets. Your line is now open

Okay, got it. That's it for me. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Nick Priebe of BMO Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

Nikolaus Priebe

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets. Your line is now open

Okay, thanks. Looks like there is - I just want to start with a question on redemptions in the exchange listed products franchise in the quarter. Again appreciate there was a large component that would have been attributable to the CFCL assets. But it actually looks to me like the majority was not, so like I was just wondering if you could give us a bit of color on what the pipeline looks like; A, for CFCL redemption, and also what drove redemptions in the physical trust that weren't actually related to CFCL, just given that it was actually a pretty strong period for precious metal prices.

John Ciampaglia

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets. Your line is now open

Yeah. Hi, Nick, it's John here. Obviously the redemptions that we booked, we're right at the trough of the market in August, September and leading into the fall. So there's always a lag effect that we experience and as metal prices fell across the board, the discounts wide and we definitely had reductions through the period. What we've seen in the last two months is a very different story. We've seen redemptions moderate significantly, discounts have tightened and we've actually been in a position in the last two months to issue new sales. So for example, the Sprott physical gold trust, we have not had an inflow into the fund since April of '18 and the last two months or so has done about plus 20 US in new sales. So that's very encouraging to us. Palladium is at an all-time high and we feel that we will be in a capital raising mode on that fund in the near term. Silver has rebounded back to around $16 and that has tightened the discount on the silver fund. So we're feeling pretty good about the asset values recovering, the discounts tightening, the liquidity in trading and volume of the fund picking up and I think more importantly, the inbound inquiries we're getting. There's been a noticeable uptick in the number of people contacting us about the product. The primary beneficiary of that has been gold as people are looking to rotate more into a safe haven asset. Silver's been tagging along with gold, but it's not historically - it hasn't been doing what historically does it was just outpaced gold in performance. So we think that's just a matter of time before it kind of slingshots ahead. The mining ETFs did have sizeable redemptions in the quarter that wasn't surprising given how the sector came under a lot of selling pressure. The redemption of stopped, we've had a little bit of inflow. So I think looking back at the quarter, we view it as a trough and all things are kind of turning out, so we feel better going forward. As I said, one of the most important things is the narrative is changing. if it isn't the Wall Street Journal or Barron's writing about the value of precious metals in a portfolio. It's also Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sachs, AllianceBernstein and so on, writing institutional reports to their clients about why they need to be looking at precious metals again and why they need to be looking at the mining stocks as a tactical trade right now given the higher metal prices. But I think also because of the M&A activity that's been reignited in the last couple of months, so we're very optimistic that we hit the trough and we're climbing out of it.

Nikolaus Priebe

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets. Your line is now open

Okay. No, that's very detailed, thanks for that. Next question would just be on the on the private lending LP and I'm just looking at this from a fee generating asset like AUM perspective. Like, it looks like the impact of capital calls in the fourth quarter from an AUM perspective were offset to some extent by some principal repayment plan associated distributions to the LPs. So I know that that's kind of normal course for a portfolio like this as it progresses through the life cycle. But I'm just wondering, given that you've provided some good guidance on capital deployment for this year. Do you also have some visibility on the repayment schedule as well?

Kevin Hibbert

Chief Financial Officer

Hey, Nick, I'll tackle that and then Peter if you want to add some additional color. Yeah, you're exactly right, with the distributions, the number that we're thinking of the 200 to 400 that would be inclusive of any distributions that occur. So that should I think, answer the majority of your question, but just generally speaking, when you think about distributions, I think Peter was bang on with what he said earlier, which is, this is a bit of a choppy business for all the reasons that he had noted. And so you want to take with a grain of salt, what you're seeing in quarter on the distributions because those repayments sometimes they could be off cycle. So it may not be that the loan is actually matured and it may be at a different point in time in the capital call time horizon. And so this one here for instance, it's not as if this would be any indication going forward of there being a greater likelihood of distributions exceeding capital calls. If anything, it's going to be even more difficult to have some visibility into that just given how things are there. But I don't know, Peter, if you have any additional insights on timing?

Peter Grosskopf

Management

Well, only two points. Repayments and distributions are two thirds good news, one third bad news. The good news is the performance has been exceptional, and that that should drive further inflows. The bad news is of course you take a pause in your AUM growth. I think what is most important for the business in the long-term is that it is getting a bit more flexible now and whereas we were under a very tight constrained mandate to start with short duration and focus on only a certain interest rate hurdle, we're now quite a bit more flexible. So we see the impact on our pipeline. The pipeline as I mentioned, is very robust. So it's hard to call exactly, it's chunky. But overall, we still see it as a nicely growing business.

Nikolaus Priebe

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets. Your line is now open

Okay.

Kevin Hibbert

Chief Financial Officer

And then if I could just add one other important point Nick. Distributions are quite different from redemptions in that these distributions are going to clients who have a much longer time horizon from an investment perspective than the duration of the funds. And so a lot of times what will happen is these distributions will go to them, but then get recycled back into some later vintage of our lending fund products down the road in the in the form of new capital calls, so there's a recycling effect to some degree around distributions currently eventually making their way back into our AUM is as new capital in another fund.

Nikolaus Priebe

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets. Your line is now open

Yeah, for sure that makes sense. And then one last one I had just on the, the on balance sheet loans receivable. It looks to me like the composition of the on balance sheet loans changed slightly quarter-over-quarter. And what I mean by that is in the notes to the third quarter statement, it looks like there were four loans all reclassified as energy and other and then as of year and there were two loans in that category. And then one loan that accounts for the large majority of principle in the metals and mining sector. So was that just a reclassification that occurred there, or is there still some shifting activity in that on balance sheet lending portfolio?

Kevin Hibbert

Chief Financial Officer

No, you're absolutely right. It was just a re-class.

Nikolaus Priebe

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets. Your line is now open

Okay, that's easy answer. Okay. That's it for me. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from Graham Ryding of TD Securities. Your line is now open.

Graham Ryding

Analyst · TD Securities. Your line is now open

Could you just give us a little color on the credit loss track record on this resource lending portfolio and how's that been, if it's been low or nil and how's been helping raise the sort of second tranche of capital?

Peter Grosskopf

Management

Yeah, well, knock on wood we have not had any credit losses. So it's certainly helpful to be able to say that. The portfolio is robust enough that it can handle a loss ratio, but it has a limited number of loans in it somewhere between 10 and 20. And auditors do not allow funds of that nature to take general provisions. So we don't provide, we simply try and keep a very accurate mark on all our assets. And that's easy to do, but we're fortunate we haven't had any credit losses over eight years of being in business. It's a great track record.

Graham Ryding

Analyst · TD Securities. Your line is now open

Okay, great. The gain on long term investments this quarter $3 million, was that related?

Kevin Hibbert

Chief Financial Officer

Hey, Graham, it's Kevin here. So that's related to the same thing it was last year. If you recall we've mentioned that from an accounting perspective our strategic long-term position, so that would be some of the digital gold strategies that Peter has been talking about for a while now. If you recall those get mark-to-market towards the end of each year and the mark this year was a little bit lower on those positions than they were the same time last year. I think it was like 3.6 ish in '17 and this year was I think around a little over 3 million.

Graham Ryding

Analyst · TD Securities. Your line is now open

Okay, got it. And then the - your color around running these loans off your balance sheet and then 5% to 10% of co-investments is what you're expecting and what you deploy in your resource lending. Is there enough of an offset there? If you hit that sort of midpoint of your $200 million to $400 million target of resource loans, your co-investment in that portion, is that enough to offset what's running off your balance sheet?

Kevin Hibbert

Chief Financial Officer

No, because we have - there's two things that we rely on as the offset to the run off of the interest income. One is, as you rightly know, the co-investment income from our seed, but the other very big portion would be the management fees that we would collect on the third party client capital. So it's a combination of management fees on the 200 million to 400 million plus the [indiscernible] we generate on the units we specifically invest in. Those two things together are what would be required to offset the lost interest income.

Graham Ryding

Analyst · TD Securities. Your line is now open

Got it and the co-investment income that you would earn, is that not going to flow through that interest income line? Where does that flow through?

Kevin Hibbert

Chief Financial Officer

So right now it flows through the interest income line. So if you look at our segment disclosure, the lending segment disclosure, you'll see a little footnote that provides the decomposition of what's in interest income.

Graham Ryding

Analyst · TD Securities. Your line is now open

Okay, so that's going to persist. It's just going to be lower next year. That's the message?

Kevin Hibbert

Chief Financial Officer

So the interest income will be lower. But as we continue to build scale in the co-investment piece from an accounting and regulatory perspective, we're going to have to now break out the co-investment portion from interest income and show it on its own separate line, Graham.

Graham Ryding

Analyst · TD Securities. Your line is now open

Okay.

Kevin Hibbert

Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, so starting Q1, what you're going to see is you're going to see a management fees line, you're going to then see a co-investment income line and then you'll see the interest income line which is basically going to be orphaned and only have in it the interest income from whatever loans we have left on the balance sheet.

Graham Ryding

Analyst · TD Securities. Your line is now open

Got it, okay, that makes sense. And then just my last question is just the central fund, part of the acquisition structure was an earn out, and I'm just wondering, with the with the 15% of the AUM redeeming this year, where does that earn out stand in Q1, reminded sort of the timing and the amount of that?

Kevin Hibbert

Chief Financial Officer

Sure. So the minimum earn out was $5 million and it was based on a minimum redemption experience amount. So that amount was tripped. And so we ended up paying that $5 million earlier in January.

Graham Ryding

Analyst · TD Securities. Your line is now open

Okay, and that's it there's nothing remaining for?

Kevin Hibbert

Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, that's it.

Graham Ryding

Analyst · TD Securities. Your line is now open

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude our question-and-answer session. I would now turn the call back over to Peter Grosskopf for any closing remarks.

Peter Grosskopf

Management

Okay. Well, thank you everybody for joining us today. We look forward to reporting you again at the end of the next quarter on our progress and have a good day. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating in today's conference. This concludes today's program. You may all disconnect.