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Silgan Holdings Inc. (SLGN)

Q1 2016 Earnings Call· Wed, Apr 27, 2016

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Operator

Operator

We are about to begin. Good day, and thank you for joining the First Quarter Earnings Results Conference Call. Today's call is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the call over to Kim Ulmer. Please go ahead. Kimberly Irene Ulmer - Vice President & Controller: Thank you. Joining me from the company today, I have Tony Allott, President and CEO; Bob Lewis, EVP and CFO; and Adam Greenlee, EVP and COO. Before we begin the call today, we would like to make it clear that certain statements made today on this conference call may be forward-looking statements. These forward-looking statements are made based upon management's expectations and beliefs concerning future events impacting the company, and therefore, involve a number of uncertainties and risks including, but not limited to, those described in the company's Annual Report on Form 10-K for 2015 and other filings with the SEC. Therefore, the actual results of operations or financial condition of the company could differ materially from those expressed or implied in the forward-looking statements. With that, I'll turn it over to Tony. Anthony J. Allott - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Thank you, Kim. Welcome, everyone to our first quarter 2016 earnings conference call. Agenda for this morning as usual, we'll focus on the financial performance for the quarter, review our outlook for 2016. And then Bob, Adam and I will be happy to take any questions. As you saw in the press release, our first quarter results are at the upper end of our expectations, but below prior-year levels, as we delivered adjusted earnings per share of $0.45. As each of our businesses performed in line or better than anticipated. As expected, we continue to experience inefficiencies in incremental costs related to certain logistical challenges associated with changes…

Operator

Operator

Our first question comes from Chris Manuel with Wells Fargo Securities.

Chris D. Manuel - Wells Fargo Securities LLC

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities

Good morning, gentlemen. Congratulations to a strong start to the year. Anthony J. Allott - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Hi, Chris. Robert B. Lewis - CFO, Executive VP & Head-Press Relations: Hey, Chris.

Chris D. Manuel - Wells Fargo Securities LLC

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities

Just wanted to kind of run through a couple of pieces. First, when – any adjustments done in the business regarding tin plate prices that came down, were there any losses that kind of flowed through either North America or in Europe? Could you remind us of about what the adjustment in tin plate was, a few things like that? Anthony J. Allott - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Sure, Chris. The tin plate is down, it varies by region a little bit, but let's say, it's down mid-single digits, and again, it will vary a little bit from that. I think the other part of your question is there is sort of an inventory effect through that. I will just remind you, we're a LIFO company, and so, there really is no impact. It would have already been incurred in the year that you experienced it, which by the way, ties to the way our contracts work.

Chris D. Manuel - Wells Fargo Securities LLC

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities

Okay. That's helpful. Second question is, a couple times in here, you referenced higher logistics and startups and the different elements of that nature. And I think you noted in here that one of the two plants, I think, you were going to close will be done in the second half of the year. Any update on the timing for the second plant closure and the costs and things you're referencing, were those in line with what you were expecting? Or are you kind of signaling to us that maybe there's few extra headwinds you're seeing or something along those lines? Anthony J. Allott - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: No. I think, it sounds like your question is all around the can business, if I have that right.

Chris D. Manuel - Wells Fargo Securities LLC

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anthony J. Allott - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: So, no, I would say everything is kind of moving along as expected. You recall, we said that we would expect to get the line up and running in the first half of the year, and get qualifications going through Q2 and Q3 basically. And so, we're online with that, both lines are running, and some forms are going through internal qualifications at this point in time. So, no big change there. And then, I think your other part kind of goes to the capacity and where are we on that. Recall that the new plant is roughly 1.5 billion units of capacity. As you noted, we have made a decision of our intention to shut down our La Porte, Indiana plant, which is roughly 1 billion units of capacity. So, that leaves you about – happen to have 500 million left, actually a little closer to 400 million when you get down to the numbers. That's essentially what has shifted or can shift from three-piece to two-piece. So, we end up being still quite full on our two-piece capacity. And then, we're out – all the time, we're looking to shut down three-piece capacity or find areas where we can shut individual lines down. That's particularly true right now, as we look at the West Coast, because we did have some customers that moved from the West Coast to Midwest that precipitated the move. So, I wouldn't be looking necessarily for another plant at this point in time, but we're always looking to find other opportunities to take capacity out. As we said, this was not intended to be an increased capacity of the market, that's not how we're treating it. And so, it's just – it will be three-piece capacity throughout our system that we're working on.

Chris D. Manuel - Wells Fargo Securities LLC

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities

Okay, that's helpful. Thank you. Anthony J. Allott - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Yeah.

Operator

Operator

And we'll move forward to our next question from Mark Wilde with BMO Capital Markets.

Mark William Wilde - BMO Capital Markets

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets

Good morning and congratulations. Anthony J. Allott - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Good morning, Mark. Thank you. Robert B. Lewis - CFO, Executive VP & Head-Press Relations: Hi, Mark.

Mark William Wilde - BMO Capital Markets

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets

Tony, any chance that we can get a – kind of your sense of kind of where can volumes are likely to move this year? And then, can you talk a little bit about the sole sort of process of getting Burlington qualified, I mean how much is that actually likely to be able to run in 2016? Anthony J. Allott - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Okay.

Mark William Wilde - BMO Capital Markets

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets

Waiting for these qualifications.. Anthony J. Allott - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Yeah. Sure. So, as to can volumes, we're – what we had said in the beginning of the year will hold too, which is probably flattish for the year. There will be a little bit of hack around that, et cetera, but that's kind of our expectation. We have a little bit of some of the Van Can business that came in cycle. So, you saw some growth in this quarter, but that's really just cycling over that piece. So, flat feels about right to us, could be up a little bit because of that for the year. On Burlington, as I said, so it's two-line plant there, both lines are running. The first thing that happens, as we go through internal qualifications, make sure cans meet spec, et cetera. One line has already kind of gotten through that a bit, and it begins the customer qualification, that means we got to actually ship to customers, they got to fill it, make sure it runs on their lines, et cetera. Some customers need to do more thorough testing of that, where they got a – hold the can for a period of time, see how it performs. Others, it's a little bit quicker, strictly on dimensional attributes of the can. So, we'll go through that. And as we have said, that would be kind of Q2 and Q3. So, our expectation of lineage ought to be fully qualified and running in Q4 and the point we made at the end of the year, I'll make again, which is by then, you've missed the pack for the year. So, the plant is not going to have a big impact on this year, in terms of what it can produce at the end. It will – it may allow us to work back inventories a little bit that we've built up for it, but aside from that, it's not going to have huge impact.

Mark William Wilde - BMO Capital Markets

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets

Okay. So, Tony, what would the drag from that be just financially this year? Anthony J. Allott - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Well, what we've said is, what we experienced on inefficiency side last year, we talked about was some $20 million. This year, we talked about $15 million, and that's a combination of sort of the inefficiency costs that we've had embedded in the system now for two years and some startup costs. So, essentially, you'd expect that $15 million to go away on a run rate once the line up running and shipping. But be careful, that's true on a cash basis, that is kind of – stands pat, that's the answer that we're looking for. On an EBIT basis, you also have to deal with depreciation of new line which is some $6 million. So, on EBIT basis, maybe that's a run rate of $9 million.

Mark William Wilde - BMO Capital Markets

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets

Okay. All right. That's very helpful. Could you also just update us real quickly on the can business over in Europe and the Middle East? Robert B. Lewis - CFO, Executive VP & Head-Press Relations: Sure. Actually, the can business in Europe had, including the Middle East, had a pretty nice quarter, kind of right in line with expectations. The profit was down a little bit, which was largely oriented around an FX gain that we had in last year, but the volumes were pretty nice across the board for the core products. And then, we had some incremental volume come to us for exports to some emerging markets. So, off to a pretty good start, albeit still a pretty small quarter for that business to the overall segment. So, we're happy with the start that we're off to.

Mark William Wilde - BMO Capital Markets

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets

Okay. And then finally, in metal packaging, just, Tony, I wondered if you could give us a little more color on sort of where you see the growth opportunities in the metal packaging business for you going forward, either by sort of product or by geography, understanding you don't want to provide too much of that handpick on a competitors and others here, but just generally what should we think about? Anthony J. Allott - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Sure. I'm going to – let me also just say that we were going to try to hold the two questions per person...

Mark William Wilde - BMO Capital Markets

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets

Okay. Anthony J. Allott - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: So, Mark we'll move from here, but I'll answer it because it's hard not to once it's out there. Remember, for us, growth is not something that we're particularly pursuing in our businesses. Our view is whether it's significant growth that tends to be a lot of investment in capital and that drives down returns. So, we're very happy just investing in the business trying to grow with our customers as they find success. And so, that's kind of where we've always been. We did – as you know, we moved into eastern Europe to look at some developing markets, I think, you'll still see some growth in those markets in time. Although, we're going to want to make sure that those markets settle down a little bit politically and economically first. So, you'll see some opportunities there, but mostly, it's going to be around just servicing our customers as best as we can, allowing them to grow, generating cash and deploying that cash into either the efficiency of that system or elsewhere in our business.

Mark William Wilde - BMO Capital Markets

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets

Okay. Fair enough. Thanks. Anthony J. Allott - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Thanks, Mark.

Operator

Operator

And we'll move forward to our next question from Ghansham Panjabi. Matthew T. Krueger - Robert W. Baird & Co., Inc. (Broker): Hi. This is actually Matt Krueger sitting in for Ghansham. How are you doing? Anthony J. Allott - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Good. Thanks. Matthew T. Krueger - Robert W. Baird & Co., Inc. (Broker): First question. Can you guys comment further on the strong volume growth in the closures segment while also quantifying any weather impact during the quarter for that segment? And then, what are your expectations for volume growth moving forward for the remainder of the year? Is that a sustainable level in your opinion, the 5%? Adam J. Greenlee - Chief Operating Officer & Executive Vice President: Hey, Matt, it's Adam. Good question. The closures volume growth really was – really subject to good operating performance around the world in our closures business. As we talked about in the release and Bob mentioned as well, the hotfill single-serve beverage business and the U.S. business actually did see significant growth. And what happens there is these are sports drinks, ready-to-drink tea. So, there is a benefit of weather that we got in the first quarter. So, our beverage customers are feeling good about their business and moved some of that filling earlier in the year, and we've seen this happen historically over the past several years. So, what we do know right now is Q1 was very strong, Q2 will also be strong and that's when the beverage companies will kind of look up and assess where they are in their markets and the demand for those products for the back half of the year. Historically, we see the back half kind of unwinding that volume growth, we see early on a little…

Operator

Operator

And we'll move forward to our next question from Anthony Pettinari with Citi.

Anthony Pettinari - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc.

Analyst · Citi

Good morning. In plastic containers, I was wondering if you could talk maybe qualitatively about how the footprint optimization activities have gone versus your expectations at the beginning of the year, you had some management changes there, how the team is performing? And then, that segment I guess was sort of breakeven in the quarter. As we looked at 2Q, should we expect sort of a similar performance? Or any kind of color you could give there. Adam J. Greenlee - Chief Operating Officer & Executive Vice President: Sure, Anthony. It's Adam. What I'd say is, our Q1 performance for plastics and their performance was essentially right in line with our expectations. We did say that Q1 was going to look at lot like Q4 of last year. So, we did incur additional incremental cost, again right in line with what we were thinking. As far as the management team running the business, we're feeling pretty good about what we're doing right now. We are making improvements on the grounds, sometimes that don't necessarily translate to a financial spreadsheet, but we are making solid improvements in the business. We're doing what we said we were going to do. And I'd say, from here, we are cautious about where we're going, but we feel good about what's been executed, thus far.

Anthony Pettinari - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc.

Analyst · Citi

Okay, okay. That's helpful. And then, just switching to Europe in metal containers, I thought you said that maybe earnings were down year-over-year. Are margins down year-over-year? And you have a competitor that's seeing kind of record margins in Europe, food. Obviously, they're kind of more in different part of the continent. But I was wondering if you could just talk about kind of the margin profile in European food. Robert B. Lewis - CFO, Executive VP & Head-Press Relations: Yeah. The margins in that business operationally have been pretty steady and pretty good. The commentary around the earnings being down is related to nothing more than last year; we had an FX gain in there, which didn't recur this year. So, if you strip that out operationally, the business actually improved.

Anthony Pettinari - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc.

Analyst · Citi

Okay. That's helpful. I'll turn it over.

Operator

Operator

And we'll move forward to our next question from Adam Josephson with KeyBanc Capital Markets.

Adam Jesse Josephson - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets

Thanks. Good morning, everyone. Anthony J. Allott - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Good morning.

Adam Jesse Josephson - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets

Bob, Tony, just a couple on capital allocation, I'll start with a transaction that I'm sure you've heard nothing about, there was obviously one announced earlier this week in a business quite similar to yours at a post-synergy multiple of seven that I would think had been a franchise business for you. It's rigid consumer packaging which is your sweet spot. So, can you comment at all on what transpired or in your case, what didn't transpire? Anthony J. Allott - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Sure. I'm not sure I can comment on what transpired; I probably don't know. But let me just say what we've said about this, which is, we had indicated that the beverage industry for us was something that we had interest in. It was something that we said that it was not a strategic imperative for us and we didn't have synergy to it. So, what we've always said about it is opportunistically if something shows up there, it could fit with us, if that made sense. What has ultimately unfolded here is a player emerged who did have commercial and manufacturing synergies and more of a strategic imperative. So, I think what occurred made more sense I think than us being the buyer in this case. And so, that's kind of the long and the short of it.

Adam Jesse Josephson - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets

Thanks. And just couple of others on the same subject, can you just update us on your views of share buyback versus acquisitions versus reinvesting in the business and what your criteria are for each? I know they differ somewhat by bucket. Robert B. Lewis - CFO, Executive VP & Head-Press Relations: Yeah, I think, Adam, as we've always said, the strategy remains pretty constant, and that is we look for opportunities to deploy capital back into growing the business where and when we can. And in the absence of those, as we start to delever the balance sheet, and I'll remind you that kind of the 2.5 times to 3.5 times leverage ratio is kind of the benchmarks that we use as we start to delever and there is not an opportunity to invest in the business, either through capital or through M&A, then we'll think about returning capital to shareholders as we've done in three previous transactions over the year. So, there's nothing fundamentally changed about how we – how we view it. Each of those decisions kind of goes through a similar process, whether it's an M&A or a CapEx program. We look at it on a cash-on-cash return with kind of low to mid-teen return hurdles. And then, in the absence of those, that's when capital return back to shareholders comes into play.

Adam Jesse Josephson - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets

Thanks. Robert B. Lewis - CFO, Executive VP & Head-Press Relations: So I don't think there's anything you should read into that as changing from our strategy.

Adam Jesse Josephson - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets

And just related, it's my last question, in terms of investing in the plastics business at this point, I think you put in about $50 million last year, can you just talk about what kind of returns you're expecting on those investments and why, just given all the difficulties that business has had over the past few years? Anthony J. Allott - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Well, our expectation for all of our investments is the same. We want good solid returns for every investment that we make. So, every single investment done in plastics was based upon a good return on that investment made. Now, did that count in the fact that we were going to have the incremental costs and slow down the implementation over the course of two years? And obviously, it did not. So, those returns certainly have been impacted during this time period, but the investments were and will always be made on that concept that we're going to get a return on it. The other part that I'd say is that, I think we've said it here before that our view is that business ought to be able to get to 15%-ish EBITDA, once we get through this process, once we get kind of the sales back we want them and we prove out the franchise capability of business. So, I'm clearly looking out a little bit. So, using slightly different metric for it, I think that's sort of a bit of the benchmark that we are going to be using in time, it can get to 15% EBITDA margin over a period of time, and then the returns again will be justified in order to get that done or it won't make sense for us.

Adam Jesse Josephson - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets

Thank you, Tony. I appreciate it.

Operator

Operator

And we'll move forward to Scott Gaffner with Barclays.

Scott L. Gaffner - Barclays Capital, Inc.

Analyst

Thanks. Good morning. Anthony J. Allott - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Good morning, Scott.

Scott L. Gaffner - Barclays Capital, Inc.

Analyst

Tony, on that – just following up on that last comment, you said 15% of EBITDA margin over a period of time, I mean I'm – If I were to judge what you mean by that, I mean, are we talking three years, two years? I mean, five years? Just sort of how can we benchmark that, so that we know whether you're on track or not? Anthony J. Allott - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Yeah. I guess I would put it in sort of that three-year timeframe, but I have to say that if we're sitting three years from now and we're at 12%, and we see a path to 15% or better, that doesn't mean we're going to pull a cord at that moment in time. So, just to be clear. But it would seem to me that three years is a reasonable amount of time to get back on our feet, get the footprint the way we wanted, to get the sales back in, which by the way, is a slow process. Every sale you make, you got to tool it, get it equipped. And so, it is slow on the up curve. But three seems reasonable to me.

Scott L. Gaffner - Barclays Capital, Inc.

Analyst

Okay. And just focusing back on the North American food business, one of you competitors earlier in the week talked about not being able to recover non-material inflation in their contracts. I mean, are you having the same issue? And what kind of effect is the excess capacity in the North American market having on your business now? Anthony J. Allott - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Sure. Good question. So let me go back. First of all, recall with us that we're more than 90% under long-term contracts, and those are the contracts that are dissimilar to most of the rest of the market. They were based upon the idea that we had transparency in costs with our customers. We got a reasonable return on our investments, and our customers got a long-term surety of quality supply and knowledgeable of what the pass-throughs of costs were going to be. So, that's been true since the founding of Silgan, it's still true. So, that's the primary share of what we do. So to remind everybody, that means we pass through our raw material as it's incurred, and then we pass through on things like labor, et cetera. We have indexes that we have through on that. And then, on other inflation, generally speaking, there are indexes on that as well. And so, over time, you pass through and that's kind of the way the contracts work. This year, as we indicated at the end of the year, you've got an unusual situation where some of those indexes are actually negative. You've had deflation, some – I'll give you labor, as an example. So, the labor index, in some cases, is negative. Well, obviously, we're not paying our employees less. So, that is a negative for us. That is embedded…

Scott L. Gaffner - Barclays Capital, Inc.

Analyst

Okay. Thanks, Tony. I really appreciate it. Anthony J. Allott - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Okay. Thanks, Scott.

Operator

Operator

And we'll move forward to our next question from George Staphos with Bank of America.

George Leon Staphos - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Analyst · Bank of America

Hi, everyone. Good morning. Thanks for the details and congratulations on the progress, so far, in the year. I wanted to go back to the question of capital allocation, and I recognize again you're going to be somewhat limited in what you can talk to relative to some of the assets that have traded hand or likely to trade hands here, but how does the opportunity set of available assets, Tony, and optionality fit into how you will look at an asset and whether it will fit within Silgan? Or are you purely looking at a discrete set of attributes, whether there is synergy, whether a customer overlap, et cetera, in terms of how you evaluate transactions? And the backdrop behind the question is, in the last decade, there has been another fairly large beverage can asset that traded hands and obviously, Silgan didn't pursue that one, perhaps if that had been in the portfolio, would that have changed your calculus at all in terms of some of the assets that have changed hands or look to be this quarter? And I had a follow-on, unrelated. Thanks. Anthony J. Allott - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: George, it's a good question, and I understood it from nearly a question that was still hanging out there. I think to be clear, I believe we've been really consistent. We believe that we have great franchise businesses. Our whole mission and principle is about building out those franchises and strengthening them, growing them where we see we can. And then, we've always said, if we can find another franchise and we can invest in it like we did in closures, we'd be happy to do that. But we don't sit here feeling like we need a catalyst, I don't know, some kind…

George Leon Staphos - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Analyst · Bank of America

Okay. I appreciate the – the thought process on that, Tony. I want to switch gears a little bit, and I might have missed it, I know you talked – touched on it a little bit, but La Porte I remember, I don't think you built that facility. I think, it came, it was an American National Can plant. But I remember it, if correctly, as being something of a battleship two-piece plant. It was, I think, one of the first and certainly had a low cost structure at one point in time. Can you – I know it's difficult to talk about specific plants, but can you talk a little bit about why that facility fits less well both from a competitive standpoint and a capability standpoint, two-piece versus three-piece, relative to your portfolio now? And thanks. I'll turn it over, and I'll be back with other questions. Anthony J. Allott - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Okay. Great. Thanks, George. Yeah, sure. I mean, first of all, La Porte plant has been a great plant for this business for a long period of time. And a workforce that's work very hard for us for a long time as well. It really come down to costs and geography. And so, you're right that that is, it's an older plant, but it's D&I plant. So, I mean, again, all the new D&Is coming to the market, it's a competitive plant. But it's a single-line plant, and so – and older. And so, when we look at kind of all the costs and compared it to what was coming in on the new Burlington plant, it was just the one that made sense for us.

George Leon Staphos - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Analyst · Bank of America

Thanks very much.

Operator

Operator

We'll go ahead and move forward to our next question from Debbie Jones with Deutsche Bank.

Debbie A. Jones - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

Hi, good morning. Anthony J. Allott - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Hi, Debbie.

Debbie A. Jones - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

When I look at how your volumes have progressed in the first quarter of the year, at least over the past two years, I think that they've been better than your full-year number. And maybe last year, you mentioned something about your mix changing in the first quarter. I was just wondering if that has anything to do with the positive number we saw this quarter. So, if you could talk a little bit more about what's driving that. Robert B. Lewis - CFO, Executive VP & Head-Press Relations: Yeah. I think Debbie, what you're seeing and then, I assume you're speaking more directly to food cans.

Debbie A. Jones - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

Yeah. Robert B. Lewis - CFO, Executive VP & Head-Press Relations: What's really driving the improvement in volumes on a year-over-year basis in the food can business this year are a little bit of what I talked about in the European market, we saw some better volumes. And then, in the U.S., I think it's just a matter of the fact that we anniversaried some of the volume that came to us through the contracts coming with the Van Can business. So, you're just seeing the anniversary effect in 2016 versus what we had in the later part of 2015.

Debbie A. Jones - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

Okay. Thanks. That's helpful. And then, my second question on M&A, but not related to the can spaces. There has also been some transactions that have occurred in the plastics and closures space in the last year or so and I'm just wondering what is kind of holding you back from pursuing M&A in those sectors. I understand that you don't believe this is a necessity to grow, but there was a big closure of acquisition in Europe, I think that was completed in December, that maybe a year ago wouldn't seem like something that you would have been more focused on, and so I would just like to get some thoughts on what you see your limitations are in those two segments. Anthony J. Allott - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Sure. I don't – the simple answer is nothing's holding us back. There is probably very few rigid packaging assets that have traded that we haven't looked hard at, we haven't gone through the thought process. I think that maybe the difference between the question and the way we're thinking is that we kind of like what we have. And so, we are – we aren't feeling like we have to do anything; each one has to stand up on its own. It's got – as we've said in the past, that first off, it has to have a really good management team. That's extremely important to us. Secondly, we have to believe it either strengthens the franchise that we have or it is a franchise onto itself, which is sustainably competitively advantaged. So, those are pretty high benchmarks that we hold. And then, we got to get returns that are justified versus either organic investment or returning cash to shareholders. And when you put all those combinations together and you compare that to what's broadly over the time period you're talking about, then a very cheap cost of money, pretty heavily sponsor-driven world, that it's not easy to get all of those to line up for you, which is fine for us, right, because we're trying to create value. And so, if we push it when we shouldn't, then we're not going to create value.

Debbie A. Jones - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

Great. Thanks. I'll turn it over. Anthony J. Allott - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Thanks.

Operator

Operator

And we'll move forward to our next question from Chip Dillon with Vertical Research Partners.

Chip A. Dillon - Vertical Research Partners LLC

Analyst · Vertical Research Partners

Hi, Tony and Bob. Good morning. Anthony J. Allott - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Hi, Chip. Robert B. Lewis - CFO, Executive VP & Head-Press Relations: Hi, Chip.

Chip A. Dillon - Vertical Research Partners LLC

Analyst · Vertical Research Partners

First question is obviously, the closures volumes were quite impressive and the plastics business you're certainly making a good strong growth – go at it, but as you think about those two businesses and you also think about some of the – at least what we hear about some shifts in the drink space, many of which are helping you. Nonetheless, are you concerned or is there any thoughts you have about cans and specialty cans taking share from some of the plastic substrates that benefit your plastics business and your closures business? Anthony J. Allott - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: No, no. Recall that our plastic container business is really not a beverage business. So, it's much more around food, household, personal care. And so, really there is no trend that fits that at all. And on the closures side, we're both metal and plastic closures on the vacuum side. So, really that wouldn't particularly matter in either case there, but the growth there has really been on the – hotfill side has been on the plastic packaging.

Chip A. Dillon - Vertical Research Partners LLC

Analyst · Vertical Research Partners

Okay. I got you. And then, looking at the metal food can volumes, I don't think you gave us a split, I might have missed it, between Europe and the U.S., but last year, the whole segment was slightly negative from the first quarter of 2014 and 2% might be some catch-up. But is there anything going on seasonally there? I know that you tend to get most of your shift, I think, between the second and third quarters, but anything that might have happened that helped you or do you think this was sort of a normal first quarter? Anthony J. Allott - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: So, to be clear, I think as best we know, the North American market grew by, let's say, 0.5% in the first quarter. So, that's the first benchmark on that. For us, the U.S., we were up 2%; it was a little lower of that in U.S. and a little higher of that in Europe. And so – but near enough to 2% in North America. And so, that increase was primarily driven by the fact that we had the Van Can and related business coming on in the quarter, more than anything else, drove that. And then in Europe, we just happened to have a bit more of export to developing markets during that time, sort of a one-time item in the quarter. So, those are the two main points.

Chip A. Dillon - Vertical Research Partners LLC

Analyst · Vertical Research Partners

And just as a quick, Van Can closed when again? Anthony J. Allott - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: It closed September the year prior, but we had some tag on business, they were working a contract at that time that came in a little bit later. So, that cycle is just a bit – it cycles this quarter and then it's kind of – it's a comparator for the rest of the year.

Chip A. Dillon - Vertical Research Partners LLC

Analyst · Vertical Research Partners

Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

And we'll move forward to our next question from George Staphos with Bank of America.

George Leon Staphos - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Analyst · Bank of America

Hi, guys. Just a couple of follow-ons to wrap up, at least for me. Number one, Tony, can you get into what production – what percentage of growth you saw in production in the quarter in food can versus shipments? You had mentioned that you obviously had some favorable unit cost because you were producing to some of your inventories; just trying to get a sense for what the magnitude of the swing was there. And then, as I said, I have a couple of follow-ons. Anthony J. Allott - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Okay. So, we were up nearly 2% on the sales side. We built inventory a little bit more than normal. So, that probably should be closer, I think, to the 3%-ish kind of a number.

George Leon Staphos - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Analyst · Bank of America

Okay. Thanks for that. Secondly, recognizing there's been a lot said about BPA and whether it's a risk or not. Do you get the sense that with the advent of these alternative coatings and your customers being able to advertise that they're now in – at some point, will be in BPA-free cans, that the consumer will actually be willing to pay for it that you may actually see a volume pick up from it? Again, not getting into the editorial whether it's real science or not, in the first place. Anthony J. Allott - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: You already know where that editorial would take you anyhow.

George Leon Staphos - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Analyst · Bank of America

We share the same view, but anyway. Anthony J. Allott - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: I don't think so. I think this is more getting out of the way of trouble than it is that anybody is going to pay you more for it. And I'm talking about consumer, to be clear.

George Leon Staphos - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Analyst · Bank of America

Right. Anthony J. Allott - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: So, I think that the consumer is not going to pay more for a can, because it's BPA free. I think where we stand now, the consumer is going to demand BPA free essentially, and I should be clear, non-intent. There's going to be BPA in, and it's in everything. So, to be clear, you're not intentionally putting into the coating.

George Leon Staphos - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Analyst · Bank of America

Understood, understood. But to be clear, I wasn't assuming people would pay more for things because that's been debunked over the years, whether it's BPA free or recycled plastics or what have you, but do you think it might actually lead to a pickup in volume that we've now knocked down the strawman that you don't have BPA within the coatings? Anthony J. Allott - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Well, I'd like to think so. I think I'm going to be – in my normal realist self, in fact, I would – again, I think it will take the weight off from here. But it's hard to imagine that there's going to be a huge return to can. And by the way, I don't think there is a huge exodus, to be clear, there may have been (44:25).

George Leon Staphos - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Analyst · Bank of America

Understood. Anthony J. Allott - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Yeah. So, I wouldn't think so. I would – I hope you're right, but my gut would tell me no.

George Leon Staphos - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Analyst · Bank of America

Okay. My... Anthony J. Allott - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: I do...

George Leon Staphos - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Analyst · Bank of America

...go ahead. I'm sorry. Anthony J. Allott - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: I do think most of our customers are now committed to moving, I think, within the next – by next year, end of next year at least. I do think most, everything will be out of possibly coatings with BPA in them.

George Leon Staphos - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Analyst · Bank of America

Okay. Last one for me, recognizing it's the end of the call. Is there anything that you could talk to in terms of the next Can Vision 2020 innovation that we may hear from you on? If you can't talk specifically, is there any kind of timing that you would at least mention to us to look to the next development or initiatives that comes out of that program that actually begins to drive results? Thank you very much. Good luck in the quarter. Anthony J. Allott - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Thanks, George. I think the biggest thing that's being worked hard now is just metal reductions in cans, so that you really won't hear a lot about because that will happen step-by-step. There are a few capital components to that, that if it really works the way we hope, then there would be some capital investment. And so, we wouldn't be talking about then to explain exactly what we're doing. Then, there are – as I've said all along, there are more development type ideas here around how food is processed, et cetera, I think there is possibility of news on that, but that's going to be a ways out, meaning years before we probably talk about it. So I think really what's going to happen in the near term is we are going to kind of consistently be taking costs out of our system and getting it to our customers. And again, we may have capital a little bit about some of that. And then down the road, if we are really successful, there will be something to talk about, but that's – there is still high risk on that for sure.

George Leon Staphos - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Analyst · Bank of America

All right. Thank you very much. Anthony J. Allott - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Thanks, George.

Operator

Operator

And we will move forward to a follow-up question with Adam Josephson with KeyBanc Capital Markets.

Adam Jesse Josephson - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets

Thanks, Tony, just a one follow-up on capital allocation, I think you used the word catalyst earlier that investors or analysts were looking for and you talked about how you don't feel like you need any such catalyst. Just – do you think there is an over emphasis on that? And if so, what do you think investors, analyst, whomever, should be looking for given that the story has always been about how you allocate your cash flow? Anthony J. Allott - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Well, I think you just said it. Yeah, I think it's over at – I think you get moments of time when big acquisitions happen and everyone looks around and says okay. The world's just changed and you maybe didn't change with it. And so, I think it's natural, you are bound to go through that. For us, it's really about a consistent execution of how we think value gets created. And again, to be clear, acquisition is part of that. I don't want to send a message saying we wouldn't do something that was very change-oriented, right. We looked at the Graham, got very deep into the Graham acquisition. That would have been very significantly transforming to the business. So, I'm not sending us to saying, we won't do it. But the only thing I would say that I hope everyone understands is that it's only one of the levers that we're going to pull to create value. And we're perfectly happy if the levers we end up pulling because the sponsor market drives up prices or a variety of other issues, if it's organic investment or return to shareholder, and we can maintain and grow our franchises, we're very happy with that as an answer. Now, if we can get an acquisition – and by the way, I think there will always be bolt-on acquisition as a part of that, it's almost like organic. But then, if there is a bigger acquisition that comes along and we can find a way to create value, we will do that, too. But we're not going to feel compelled to do it.

Adam Jesse Josephson - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets

Completely understand. Just related to that answer, where do you think we are in the M&A cycle? I mean, do you think we're basically at the peak or is there more to go, just based on how low interest rates are? Anthony J. Allott - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: I think there is more to go. I'm not exactly sure how you mean, in terms of size, scale...

Adam Jesse Josephson - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets

In terms of I mean, multiples, right, I mean, we're back to where we are in the 2007 timeframe, and I'm just wondering how you compare where we are today, where we were back in 2006, 2007, 2008, whatever you think the appropriate comparison is. Anthony J. Allott - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Well, we're definitely high, right. I mean, there is no question that we're at a high point. Now, the credit markets were shaky, if you go back just a couple of months. Now, that's coming back fairly quickly. So, it could be that they get a little bit better over the next quarter or so, a little bit maybe worse from our perspective, higher multiple. But it's hard for me to imagine that it moves a whole lot from here, to the upside.

Adam Jesse Josephson - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets

And did that factor into your thinking at all as it relates to the acquisition that was announced earlier? Anthony J. Allott - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: No. Again, I'm not in any way saying that we're part of that process or not, but would that factor into any decision – we're long-term holders. So, I mean, what we're going to look at is what's the discounted cash flow from it. So, if we can get relatively low cost to capital, that's a consideration that would drive up multiples. And so, we can understand why cheap debt rise multiples up, and we're willing to participate in that. We've bought businesses at nine times. We bought Portola near to that level, and it was a great acquisition for us. We bought the Rexam's Barrier Food can plastic business, and it's been a great business for us. So, we don't sit here and say, look, is there any multiple which we won't go past. We'll go to exactly what I said earlier, which is – what's the management, what's the future opportunity, what's the free cash flow we can generate from it, and that's really what's going to be on our mind.

Adam Jesse Josephson - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets

Thanks, Tony. Best of luck. Anthony J. Allott - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Thanks, Adam.

Operator

Operator

And at this time, we have no further questions in the queue. I'd like to turn the call back over to Tony Allot for any additional or closing remarks. Anthony J. Allott - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Great. Thank you, everyone, for your time. We look forward to talking to you about our second quarter in July.

Operator

Operator

And that concludes today's conference call. We thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.