Allen Yang
Analyst · Oppenheimer. Your line is now open
Hi, Hartaj. Thanks for the question. So I'll answer the second part first. Well, let me just review the two studies. As Maky mentioned earlier, there's the HARMONi study, which is our fast-to-market study. But that was Brad's question. In the second line, EGFR mutant population, the HARMONi-3 study, which is sort of the first frontline study in squamous non-small cell lung cancer. So the second question about the benchmark is pretty easy. It's the KEYNOTE 407 study. Right. So this is where Merck got approval for pembrolizumab in the similar population. There are sort of expansion studies that look at the Chinese population, so you can look those studies up to get the proper benchmark. In terms of what distinguishes ivonescimab, it's a very clean study. It's ivonescimab chemotherapy and then pembro using the same chemotherapy. And that pembro chemotherapy was the 407 study based on the 407 study. So I think there's a couple of ways that are different, right? So ivonescimab from the simplest way to think about it has VEGF component to it. So if you think about the two targets independently, pembro is PD-1, the second one is VEGF. And so we have that VEGF component. And so we think that that adds sort of value to patients and important for patients. And then there's the cooperativity that we think accentuates not only the VEGF, but also the PD-1. And so you can sort of distinguish that. And looking at that data, it'll be very interesting to look at the data both by PD-L1 status, how much are we beating in the high PD-L1 expressors, which is probably the PD-1 component, how much are we beating in the lower PD-L1 expression, which is the VEGF component? I would say some other, bispecifics, the target, let's say, PD-1 and CTLA-4 are concentrating on the non-expressing. We're going to go after all of those. So the last component to think about is that we know that Avastin was trying to be developed in this space, and then after Phase 2, they halted development. There was a concern about bleeding risks early on and therefore, I think lung cancer patients in the squamous setting never really realized the potential of anti-VEGF. And we believe that the safety profile demonstrated to date in the Phase 2, as well as large database, is supportive of developing a VEGF that has been attached to PD-1 with cooperative binding in this space. So there's a number of different aspects where we think we can have an advantage. What's your follow-up question, Hartaj?