Sean Michael O'Connor
Analyst · William Blair
Yes. So as we said previously, it was difficult for us to with a high degree of certainty, quantify the revenue synergies because up until closing, we just weren't able to get access to sort of clients and find revenues and who the clients were, which, obviously, we need to make that assessment. We only got hold of that information yesterday. So as of yet, aren't any smarter than we were when we last spoke. But I think we continue to believe and I certainly personally believe, based on the sort of high-level conversations we've had with the team, understand -- with RJO team, understanding the RJO capabilities, looking at sort of how we interface with similar type customers and the revenue we can generate from our expanded toolkit. My sort of starting point is, I think the revenue synergies over time will be multiples of the cost synergies. I continue to believe that. I think the synergies really start on the commercial segments. Now even though the RJO Commercial segment is only 11% of revenues, in their IB segment, they have a lot of IBs that have commercial clients. So within the IB segment, there is a big pool of commercial clients. And those are the clients where we know we have the best toolkit in the business. Not only can we do futures, which is all that RJO does, but we can do OTC, we can do structured products, we can help people with margin relief, we can help them with physical, we could help them on logistics. So we have very good empirical evidence that our commercial clients use us for a lot of those services and that expands both our touch points with the clients and the revenue. So that's kind of one big chunk of the revenue synergies and probably the biggest piece of it. And then secondly, they have a very strong interest rate franchise where they are dealing with institutional clients, mainly banks, helping them hedge their interest rate exposure. And in our fixed income business, we are actually trading with some of those same counterparties actually executing the trades on the underlying cash instruments. By bringing both of those 2 things together, I think we'll have a much more powerful offering. And of course, we'll be able to offer those services mutually to the clients that we don't both cover. So I think that's the sort of second big piece of revenue synergies. So between those 2, I think that's going to add up to a fairly material number. But we will update you as we start to do more work on that, but I guess our working assumption, we highlighted sort of 3 months ago hasn't changed. And I think if anything has been validated through the conversations we've had, but we now need to put more work into that. Anything else?