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The Southern Company (SO)

Q2 2015 Earnings Call· Wed, Jul 29, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. Good afternoon. My name is Savannah, and I will be your conference coordinator on today's call. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Southern Company's Second Quarter 2015 Earnings Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded, Wednesday, July 29, 2015. I would now like to turn the call over to Mr. Dan Tucker, Vice President of Investor Relations and Financial Planning. Please go ahead, sir. Daniel S. Tucker - Vice President, Investor Relations & Financial Planning: Thank you, Savannah. Welcome, everyone, to The Southern Company's second quarter 2015 earnings call. Joining me this afternoon are Tom Fanning, Chairman, President, and Chief Executive Officer of Southern Company; and Art Beattie, Chief Financial Officer. Let me remind you that we will make forward-looking statements today in addition to providing historical information. Various important factors could cause actual results to differ materially from those indicated in the forward-looking statements, including those discussed in our Form 10-K and subsequent filings. In addition, we will present non-GAAP financial information on this call. Reconciliations to the applicable GAAP measure are included in the financial information we released this morning along with the slides for this conference call. The slides we will discuss on today's call may be viewed on our Investor Relations website at investor.southerncompany.com. At this time, I'll turn the call over to Tom Fanning. Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: Good afternoon, and thank you for joining us. As always, we appreciate your interest in Southern Company. Our traditional operating companies continued to operate superbly in the second quarter of 2015, making great progress…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. One moment, please, for the first question. And our first question comes from the line of Greg Gordon with Evercore ISI. Please proceed with your question. Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: Hello, Greg. How are you?

Greg Gordon - Evercore ISI

Analyst · Evercore ISI

Good. Good afternoon, fellows. Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: Hey. Arthur P. Beattie - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President: Hey.

Greg Gordon - Evercore ISI

Analyst · Evercore ISI

I know you guys usually only update guidance once a year at the beginning of the year, but you made a comment that you're feeling pretty good about where the financial performance stands year-to-date. Are you prepared to comment about how we look inside the guidance range for 2015? Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: Yeah. No. Greg, we're going to keep doing what we've been doing for – gosh, I know this was ever since I was CFO, so this is over 10 years ago now. So, we provide initial guidance in January and then we always update kind of in October, once we get past the summer months. We'll just keep with that practice.

Greg Gordon - Evercore ISI

Analyst · Evercore ISI

Fair enough. My second question was looking at the financing plan on page 12 of the slide deck, it actually looks like your total debt financing needs are slightly lower over the 2015 to 2017 time period, and you still are not projecting to need any equity. Is that plan sort of formally updated for the SMEPA refund and what you hope to get in terms of a decision in Mississippi with regard to the refunds there? Arthur P. Beattie - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President: Greg, this is Art. Yes, it does. We have adjusted some of the operating company needs out of 2015 and reduced those, and then Southern Power has been on a small bit of adjustment as well, offset by some increases in the holding company level. But all-in-all...

Greg Gordon - Evercore ISI

Analyst · Evercore ISI

Yeah. So, when you say you've reduced the needs of the operating companies, does that mean that there's more cash flow than you expected there? Or you've cut back on expected capital expenditures at the regulated businesses? Or does that mean there's just – you're modulating down, sort of the placeholder (19:38)... Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: Yes. It's a combination of all that plus as you look into 2016, we pushed some out of 2015 into 2016, but if you net them all, it's a slight bit of an increase, not great.

Greg Gordon - Evercore ISI

Analyst · Evercore ISI

Okay. And can you guys just explain again specifically what it is that you're hoping to get from the Mississippi Commission on August 6? Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: Sure.

Greg Gordon - Evercore ISI

Analyst · Evercore ISI

The 18% rate increase, for one, and then what is the preferred plan for the customer refund? Arthur P. Beattie - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President: Yeah, sure. So, the simple answer is that we have a plan in place that amounts to about an 18% increase permanently for assets and service, including some amortizations of some regulatory assets. So, that amounts to 18%. We won't be able to have those rates put into place by the Commission until the process is complete, which we think now might be, who knows, November, something like that. So, the interim rates, we would expect to be put into place on or around August 6. That would permit us to basically keep the rate structures in place that have been in place minus the refunds. So, that's really the process. Number one, the interim rates equal to what we believe is the right kind of rates associated with assets and service. We think that'll be complete at the end of this year, November. And then, we will have the rest of the assets either ruled on by the end of the year, we don't know the answer to this, or conceivably pushed into 2016. That's associated with what we believe will be about a 10% looking number, 6% associated with securitization bonds, 4% associated with the other assets. In terms of the refund plan, our preference is to have a default that would be a bill credit. The customers could elect to take a check. All that would be complete within 90 days.

Greg Gordon - Evercore ISI

Analyst · Evercore ISI

Great. Thanks, guys. Arthur P. Beattie - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President: You bet. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Anthony Crowdell with Jefferies. Please proceed with your question. Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: Anthony, how are you?

Anthony C. Crowdell - Jefferies LLC

Analyst · Anthony Crowdell with Jefferies

Wonderful. Never been better. Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: Awesome.

Anthony C. Crowdell - Jefferies LLC

Analyst · Anthony Crowdell with Jefferies

Just two quick questions. Unfortunately, they're with the small part of your business on Mississippi. One is, I think previously you were thinking you could get syngas entered into the unit in July, and maybe that's been pushed back. If you give some color on that. And the second question is related to, I guess, the staff recommendations in Mississippi that were released last Friday. The staff had recommended some conditions, two of them of interest, one was that an equity infusion of like, $200 million rather quickly, and also, the parent, Southern Company, guarantee investment grade credit at Mississippi Power through the duration of the project. I just wanted to know if you could maybe talk about those. Is that something the company is willing to entertain until they get full clarity on the entirety of the project? Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: Let me take the first one on syngas. So, basically there's three or four big pieces that we need to do. One is that we're working on a syngas cooler super heater, the ash silo and the fluidization lines pressure testing. We're doing all those right now. Once we get those done, then we'll go through in-service pressure tests. We expect to complete all of that kind of by mid-August. So, that's very near term stuff. As well, there's something called a particular control device that basically takes the foreign matter, particulate matter, out of the flue gas. Then, we will move into the fluidization process. The first thing we will do is actually run the gasifier. This is kind of a new step we've put in place. We just think it's prudent, though. But, we will use sand to emulate the lignite particles and shapes. So, we're going to run…

Anthony C. Crowdell - Jefferies LLC

Analyst · Anthony Crowdell with Jefferies

I guess, do you expect the, I guess, interim rates, and I know there's a window when the Commission has to approve interim rates and also maybe permanent rates. Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: Yes.

Anthony C. Crowdell - Jefferies LLC

Analyst · Anthony Crowdell with Jefferies

Does that all get decided with the current Commission, or does that get decided maybe in 2016 when you have two new faces on the Commission? Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: We think that the 18% that we are seeking both in interim and permanent would be with this Commission. There are two paths that could happen on the remaining 10% or so. Remember, 6% of those 10% relate to securitization bonds, which does not involve any ROE to Mississippi Power. The only remaining kind of return elements to Mississippi Power is 4%. Now that could either happen this year based on a current filing or a new filing we might make, or it could be pushed into 2010, we'll just see. I mean, 2016. We'll just see where that goes. We believe that so far the plant, knock on wood, has been going great. The start's been going great. We've had some normal bumps in the road, but we've been able to handle them with the contingencies that we've had in place. And we're very happy with the performance of the team on-site. They're doing a heck of a job.

Anthony C. Crowdell - Jefferies LLC

Analyst · Anthony Crowdell with Jefferies

Great. Thanks for taking my question, Tom. Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: Thanks, Anthony. Good talking with you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Steven Fleishman with Wolfe Research. Please proceed with your question. Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: Hey, Steve.

Steven Isaac Fleishman - Wolfe Research LLC

Analyst · Steven Fleishman with Wolfe Research

Hey, Tom. Thank you. Just one other thing, I know you just went through an extensive schedule on Kemper. I did, I think, when you commented on it, you said something to the effect of you are kind of to a large extent kind of within the contingency for it. And I just wanted to make sure I understood what messaging you are trying to say there. Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: Yeah. Sure. Yeah. And thanks for the clarification. So, what I meant by that was remember when we, gosh, we took this reserve whenever we last changed the schedule into the first half of 2016. We basically provided for, I want to say about $30 million a month, and that included some contingency. And so, as I said in the kind of prepared remarks that that contingency is working and it speaks to whatever kind of unforeseen changes we've had to make, any work, rework, those kinds of things. The only when I said largely, the only thing I'm referring to really isn't schedule. It goes with these little small things that we've been showing, like, for example, a net increase this time of $14 million for the quarter. That's all we're referring to.

Steven Isaac Fleishman - Wolfe Research LLC

Analyst · Steven Fleishman with Wolfe Research

Okay. And then, maybe just also in your comments at the end on kind of happy with financial results, and maybe – I think you said maybe meet or exceed expectations? Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: I said that about Southern Power.

Steven Isaac Fleishman - Wolfe Research LLC

Analyst · Steven Fleishman with Wolfe Research

So, that's on Southern Power? Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: Right.

Steven Isaac Fleishman - Wolfe Research LLC

Analyst · Steven Fleishman with Wolfe Research

Okay. And is that's due to the higher investments in renewables? Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: Yeah. And just to review the bidding there, if you think about it in 2014, remember, we had, I forget, placeholders for three years, as we kind of typically do. And in 2014, we started seeing so much success, we accelerated those placeholders into 2014. And that produced better than expected results. And then remember when we set our financials this year, we said, we're going to replicate 2014 and 2015. In other words, 2014 results for 2015, and we're going to add some stretch. I'm telling you right now, I think we're going to beat our stretch targets for 2015 for Southern Power, and we said this on the last call, but it just continues to be true and perhaps further, that the placeholders are getting filled up for 2016. So, I'm feeling very confident about our ability for the placeholders in 2016; and in fact, potentially, can't guarantee it, but potentially there could be upside to even our expectations for 2016. By October, we may be able to shed even a little more light on both of those 2015 and 2016 issues, but let's wait until the next earnings call, where we'll have a little more transparency. But, we're feeling very good about our progress and executing.

Steven Isaac Fleishman - Wolfe Research LLC

Analyst · Steven Fleishman with Wolfe Research

Okay. But, I guess, my only question then on that is, if that becomes – what happens then in 2017 if we don't have an ITC anymore or I guess it's smaller... Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: Sure.

Steven Isaac Fleishman - Wolfe Research LLC

Analyst · Steven Fleishman with Wolfe Research

...does that become a big headwind? Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: Not a headwind. And we've talked about this before, and it was the shape of, kind of, earnings. So, I think this would largely be true for most folks and that is, absent solar investment tax credits which go from 30 to 10, you would generally expect to see a flattening out of earnings from – you'd love to see, so we're telling you, we're seeing a really good picture. The franchise is doing great. The power is doing great. You're going to see a trajectory in 2015 and 2016. All things being equal, the solar credits go away or at least go to 10, you'd see some flattening of progress, especially if people try to push stuff into 2016 to get it done, so 2016 to 2017 could flatten out a little bit. One of the things though that we're working on is ways to fill in what we're calling that divot, and that divot could be filled in with some win projects. We announced earlier Kay Wind, there's some other things we're looking at. As you know, they have a different earnings profile associated with their production tax credit. It's a 10-year kind of deal. And so, we're working on ways right now to improve what 2017 may look like, assuming you don't get an extension on the solar credits.

Steven Isaac Fleishman - Wolfe Research LLC

Analyst · Steven Fleishman with Wolfe Research

Okay. I'll leave it at that. Thank you very much. Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: Thank you. Arthur P. Beattie - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President: Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Daniel Eggers with Credit Suisse. Please proceed with the question. Dan L. Eggers - Credit Suisse Securities (USA) LLC (Broker): Hey, good afternoon. Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: Hello, Dan. Dan L. Eggers - Credit Suisse Securities (USA) LLC (Broker): Hey. Just, Tom, could we just talk a little bit about EPA and the CPP and I guess, a, whether you think the stories are right that it's going to come next week and then kind of, what adjustments you guys think are going to make it into the final rule? Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: Yeah, so, Dan, it's anybody's guess at this point. When EPA pushed forward the preliminary rule and they got, gosh, over four million comments, I think they themselves realized that the proposed rule has some significant flaws, and I think we've been working constructively with EPA to try and fix those flaws. Been a number of kind of important areas that we look forward to EPA addressing. For example, one that's been just widely discussed is the so-called cliff date of 2020, so we would look for EPA to provide some flexibility. My sense is, they're likely going to keep teeth in the 2030 requirement, but we could see some flexibility on 2020. Who knows? EEI certainly has put forth a recommendation for that. Other issues could be related to current non-carbon-emitting resources. It could be life extensions of nukes, it could be increases of capacity of nukes, it could be our own Vogtle 3 and 4, which originally we didn't get credit for, that somehow EPA would recognize that that absolutely meets the intention of reducing carbon. And really it goes to Kemper County and…

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Stephen Byrd with Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your question. Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: Stephen, how are you? Stephen Calder Byrd - Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC: Hi. Good afternoon. Very well, thank you. Thanks for your time. Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: You bet. Stephen Calder Byrd - Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC: Most of my topics have been covered. I just wanted to hit on new nuclear briefly and check in on the Chinese project at Sanmen. Anything notable in terms of development there since the last quarter? Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: Not really. With respect of new nuclear at Georgia, what I said was we were going to call a timeout on pushing that one forward until we got this dispute resolved from a commercial standpoint. Recall, what we've said in the past is the dispute isn't so much with us anymore, it's kind of among and between the contractors, so we look forward for them to kind of constructively resolve their own issues, and then I think we can deal with them in a constructive way. So, let's see how that goes. With respect to Sanmen, I think the most important thing there is, there's been a lot of conversation about this reactor coolant pump issue. That's not a critical path issue for us, and it looks as if, they have made a successful resolution of some of the design issues, so that will accrete to our benefit. So, it's going fine. Stephen Calder Byrd - Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC: Great. Thank you very much. That's all I had. Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: Thank you, sir.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Michael Lapides with Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your question. Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: Hey. How are you doing, Michael? Michael J. Lapides - Goldman Sachs & Co.: I'm all right, Tom. Congrats on a good first half of the year. Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: Thank you, sir. Michael J. Lapides - Goldman Sachs & Co.: When you think about Southern Power, about how – how do you think about the maximum, meaning how big would you want Southern Power to be relative to the overall, and whether that impacts how you think about whether there are – whether under different umbrellas, Southern Power might have even greater growth opportunities, if there is such a cap? Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: Yeah, hey, that's a great question. That's something we actually talk about. Yeah, right now, they're about 8% of Southern. And you probably remember from prior discussions, but just to review for everybody's benefit, the way we structure Southern Power is to essentially replicate the kind of credit profile, risk profile, that we had at Southern. That is, as apart from any merchant investment, long-term bilateral contracts, durations of 14 years or so, creditworthy counterparties, we don't take fuel risks, we don't take transmission risks, so it kind of has the feel from a portfolio risk standpoint as does the rest of our franchise business. Now, the question you raised is a very interesting one and that is, how high is too high, or is our appetite? I think you could easily kind of double Southern Power relative to the rest of Southern Company and still, I think, stay within our appetite, but that…

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Carrie Saint Louis with Fidelity (46:11). Please proceed with your question. Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: Hey, Carrie (46:12).

Unknown Speaker

Analyst

Hi. How are you? Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: Super. How are you?

Unknown Speaker

Analyst

I'm doing fine. So, I just wanted to touch base on a little bit more on the capital raising and Mississippi Power. So, looking at the slides, it looks like you guys have put some bank debt in at Mississippi Power? Arthur P. Beattie - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President: Yeah. That was true, Carrie (46:38). This is Art – back in the spring. About $900 million. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker

Analyst

What was the decision behind that? Arthur P. Beattie - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President: Well, again, it was renewing some bank loans that were already outstanding and we added a little bit to it at the same time.

Unknown Speaker

Analyst

Okay. Does that... Arthur P. Beattie - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President: Again, these are to serve as a bridge until we get some clarity on regulatory issues or to the point where we can issue securitization bonds and take that debt out.

Unknown Speaker

Analyst

Okay. But is it like a general term loan? Are you deciding that you're not going to issue in the public market at Mississippi Power until there's a little bit more regulatory clarity? Or just what was the decision to use that type of funding versus public market issuance? Arthur P. Beattie - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President: Yeah. That's absolutely true. With so much on the clarity side...

Unknown Speaker

Analyst

Right. Arthur P. Beattie - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President: That's a problem.

Unknown Speaker

Analyst

Okay. Arthur P. Beattie - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President: So, we're trying to do it as best we can. And again, the banks are worried about security as well. So, it's not just the public markets. Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: I think just from a structural standpoint, too, if we believe that securitization bonds are in the near-term future, bank debt to bridge to that is an efficient way to finance. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker

Analyst

Okay. And then just two other quick questions. On The Southern Company, the $1 billion of issuance this year, why are you issuing so much up at the parent this year versus prior years? It seems like a lot of issuance, I think it's $1.6 billion overall. Arthur P. Beattie - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President: Yeah. These are remaining amounts, and a lot of that is to cover the cash needs at all of our Southern subs for the capital that we might be providing to them. And it also covers some of the Mississippi Power needs related to the refund and it will be provided in the form of an intercompany loan.

Unknown Speaker

Analyst

Okay. And then turning to equity, so there still looks like there's no contemplation of increased equity issuance at the company? Arthur P. Beattie - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President: That is our current plan. We continue to manage our portfolio over the long-term. Things change, but Southern Power, if they keep executing on their plan to the upper limits, there could be additional needs in that regard. But it depends on where we are with cash and where we see the future CapEx going for the entire business. Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: Yeah. And, Carrie (49:10), let me just jump in on this one. If you look at our CapEx plan going into 2017, you see the drop from $6.8 billion to $4.3 billion. We're throwing off cash. So, it would be kind of silly for us to issue equity and then in turn repurchase it two years later.

Unknown Speaker

Analyst

Yeah. I guess just the concern I have is that your S&P put the whole complex, Southern and all OpCos on review for downgrade. And I guess that was done during this last quarter. So, I guess, and I don't want to read anything into it, but I would have thought that maybe you would like to maintain your ratings there. So, I guess, you're not, I guess, your comment is that you're not looking to issue equity to defend current credit rating. Is that a fair comment, or how should I think about that? I would have thought maybe you'd use a little bit more discretion about future equity, but it seems like you're saying not necessary. Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: Well, we've got to run this business in the long-term. And I think the S&P move was all about Mississippi, to be honest with you. And I'm assuming that we're going to get fair treatment with the interim rates and then the permanent rates.

Unknown Speaker

Analyst

Right. Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: So, I think we just need clarity around that process.

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Analyst

So are you, if somehow in Mississippi things don't go as expected with the outcome for interim rate relief, is there a view that you would be open to considering issuing equity? Or are you saying that that's just not in the plans regardless? Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: Well, look, I mean, we're open to anything, to be honest with you. But we expect fair treatment. I think we have a compelling case for fair treatment. I don't expect anything other than that.

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Analyst

Okay. Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: So...

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Analyst

Well, I appreciate that. I think openness to equity is always constructive. So, thank you. Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: You bet. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Paul Ridzon with KeyBanc. Please proceed with your question. Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: Hey, Paul.

Paul T. Ridzon - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Analyst · Paul Ridzon with KeyBanc

Hey, Tom. How are you? Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: Awesome. How are you?

Paul T. Ridzon - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Analyst · Paul Ridzon with KeyBanc

I'm okay. Quick question. You said you thought that at this point the Vogtle dispute was among the consortium. Kind of what residual risk do you see Georgia Power still wearing here? Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: So, I think Georgia Power has demonstrated that they are very well protected via their contract. Residual risk, to me, I suppose there's some theoretical risk there. But, as a practical matter, when you think about even with the schedule changes, even with the increases in costs associated with those schedule changes, we believe that the, call it the majority of the cost, the big majority of the costs associated with that is being borne by the contractors. And that's being demonstrated over and over again. And in fact, when you think about the fact that when Georgia had this plant certified, everyone thought that the cost was going to be a 12% price increase to Georgia Power's customers. Because the benefit has overwhelmed the increases in cost, we think now that estimate, frankly, Paul, has actually improved this quarter, as you see in the VCM12 filing. So, now we think we're in the bottom of the 6% to 8% range. Largely, this recent improvement is because we're financing at a much better rate than what even we thought when we got the federal loan guarantees. You know remaining kind of risk, I think we've disclosed in prior quarters, one of the features of the contract is called a financial integrity payment. It basically provides that as the contractors perform their obligations, if they use up all of their profit and then they spend another $250 million above their profit, I guess it's above their cost, then we would share a $250 million segment, of which our share of that would be about $114 million. And then everything above that would be for the account of the contractors guaranteed by Toshiba. That's been a part of the contract since day one. That's probably it in my view other than certain owner's costs and everything else. But that's about it. I think we're in terrific shape on the contract.

Paul T. Ridzon - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Analyst · Paul Ridzon with KeyBanc

Thanks for that. And then do you – just back to Southern Power and how big it could be, do you think that Southern Power should be valued any differently than the utility? Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: Man, haven't we thought about that over the years? I know you've over the years thought about and I thought about it, too. Remember at one time all the infrastructure guys were buying up all these bilateral contracted entities, and they had tremendous value. We actually thought about that, and please understand from my background as a CFO, I know Art feels this way, we're always after shareholder interests, and so theoretically, you're always a buyer and a seller at a certain price. We're always there to do what's best for shareholders. If there's a better owner, we'll take advantage of it. The other thing, though, it's not just a dollars and cents business. There's real blood and guts and relationships in this stuff. When you think about kind of the relationship that Southern Power has been able to strike in the marketplace, and this is really important, because it goes through the center of our business model. Customers in the middle of everything we do, reliability, price, and service, one of the most loyal customer groups that Southern Power has are co-ops and municipals. They absolutely have a long-term view on these kinds of assets and what service may be provided for their customers. So, I'm not sure, we'd have to think very hard about ever selling those kinds of relationships away from the franchise. And that's other considerations we'd have to take into account.

Paul T. Ridzon - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Analyst · Paul Ridzon with KeyBanc

Thank you. And sorry to switch subjects, but over to Mississippi, you said you expect a fair outcome. I assume that you would not consider the staff rack to be a fair outcome? Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: Yeah. I just don't even want to comment on the staff rack.

Paul T. Ridzon - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Analyst · Paul Ridzon with KeyBanc

Okay. Understood. Thank you very much. Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: Thank you. Appreciate you being on. Are there any other questions?

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Julien Dumoulin-Smith with UBS. Please proceed with your question. Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: Hey, Julien.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith - UBS Securities LLC

Analyst · Julien Dumoulin-Smith with UBS

Thank you. Hey. Afternoon. Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: Afternoon to you.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith - UBS Securities LLC

Analyst · Julien Dumoulin-Smith with UBS

Excellent. So, I wanted to go back a little bit to some of these balance sheet questions first. In terms of talking about future equitization, you talked pretty bullishly about your balance sheet, but obviously you've got the pressures from the credit rating agencies kind of in a more immediate sense. How do you think about that contingency level that you guys obviously baked in earlier, especially relative to some of the pressures that you alluded to before with Carrie (56:59)? If you can quantify it, perhaps, is really kind of what I'm getting at. Arthur P. Beattie - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President: Well, it's kind of difficult to do that when you've got issues like Southern Power trying to execute on plans and you don't really have a good idea. But, what we're thinking about from a rating agency perspective is basically getting to a point where we can use, we can reduce the business risk, excuse me – increased financial risk because business risk will be reduced as we move out of these construction projects. Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: Yeah. Let me say it a different way. Value is a function of risk and return. And when you make – I think the heart of your question gets into a bunch of current unknowables, what's going to happen with balance (57:45) depreciation and therefore cash flow, what's going to be the success rate of Southern Power, what's going to be our appetite to do things like gas infrastructure? So, there's a host of things that we just can't get our arms around. What I can tell you is as internal risk starts to wind down, that is we get more resolution on Kemper, that is we get more wind down of construction programs and therefore financing pressure, it's clear to me that as internal risk subsides, cash flow improves, that we can probably think differently about our capital structure. That's why we've said for some time now that in fact we may believe in the future, we may be over equitized a bit. So, I can't put a number on it, but these are things that we talk about daily.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith - UBS Securities LLC

Analyst · Julien Dumoulin-Smith with UBS

Right. And well, perhaps just to come back to it a little bit, you've alluded to scaling up the relative size of Southern Power within the Southern family here, but how do you think about potentially monetizing these assets? Obviously given the ITC recognition and the subsequent earnings in future years and obviously your co-ownership with certain fuel-cos, do you think about potentially sort of recycling the capital rather than necessarily scaling up the business per se? In particular, if you're going to hit limit the max you say at 15% or what have you, in the context of Southern Power? Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: Think about the kind of CapEx that would be associated with doubling Southern Power right now. That is a big number, okay? So I think the chances, and you think about how big Southern is, and you think that Southern continues to grow, if you think about what's going to be required to double Southern Power that is a big number. So number one, boy, that's an outside bet. Number two, I've been pretty consistent in saying, if there's a better owner, we'd certainly take advantage of it. We'd always do that. But taking into account historical relationships, long-term partnerships, all those sorts of things. Arthur P. Beattie - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President: It's a great option to have. Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: Yeah. Heck, yeah.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith - UBS Securities LLC

Analyst · Julien Dumoulin-Smith with UBS

Right. Maybe let me just ask it more bluntly. To what extent would you pursue that as a first option, rather than issuing equity in maybe kind of near-term sense to address balance sheet concerns? Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: If I'm a better owner of the asset and I have investment opportunities to issue equity, I would certainly issue the equity and make the investments that I need to make. I don't think about issuing equity in and of itself as being a bad thing. Number one, I'm over equitized, so I've got some margin there. Number two, if I'm above my kind of EVA threshold, then I issue equity and create value. So, I don't look at issuing equity as a bad thing. If I'm issuing equity, it must mean that all other things being equal, I've got darn good value-enhancing investments to make.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith - UBS Securities LLC

Analyst · Julien Dumoulin-Smith with UBS

That's very fair. And let me come back to one – something you alluded to in your comments previously here on gas infrastructure. Where do you stand on those opportunities? You've kind of suggested there could be updates coming, but where do we stand today? Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: Yeah, a lot, a lot, a lot of activity. I am not prepared to give you an update today, only because I got a lot of irons in the fire and I got to see how those things resolve themselves.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith - UBS Securities LLC

Analyst · Julien Dumoulin-Smith with UBS

All right. Well with that, best of luck with those irons. Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: Thank you, sir. We appreciate it.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Ali Agha with SunTrust. Please proceed with your question. Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: Ali, how are you?

Ali Agha - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey

Analyst · Ali Agha with SunTrust

I'm doing well. Good afternoon. Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: Good afternoon to you.

Ali Agha - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey

Analyst · Ali Agha with SunTrust

First question, Tom. As you've mentioned, your weather-normalized sales through the first half are up 0.8%. As I recall, your full-year target was 1.3%. Is that still the target given where we've been through the first half? Arthur P. Beattie - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President: Yeah, Ali, this is Art. It still is. We don't adjust our targets that we put into our initial plans. But again, the momentum that we're seeing is beginning to approach what we've set out. We're certainly not there, but it was kind of forecast that way as well. Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: The signals we're seeing are really bullish. And if you look at kind of the national statistics, I'm sure the things the Fed is dealing with right now, we're seeing the same stuff they are. This residential move we've seen has been really bullish for us. We're not far away from where we were pre-recession on migration into our area and increasing customers. We're probably, I don't know, we think are about 70%, 80% of the way there? Arthur P. Beattie - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President: More like 60%, but... Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: Well, what are we expecting for the year 44,000 customers? Arthur P. Beattie - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President: Yeah. Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: In those days we were 55 to 60? Arthur P. Beattie - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President: Right. Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: Okay, so whatever percentage that is.

Ali Agha - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey

Analyst · Ali Agha with SunTrust

Okay. Yeah. And then secondly, perhaps to you Art again, as you look at your O&M ramps again through the first half, I know you had talked about having some catch-up to do. Are we where you thought we should be on the O&M front, and again just remind us how we should think about that O&M this year and then going forward? Arthur P. Beattie - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President: Yeah, we're exactly what you said, we're right on target, even though year-over-year it looks like we're spending more money. And it is, a lot of that is driven by a couple of things. We've had more outages at our larger operating companies this year, last year as a comparison... Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: And planned outages. Arthur P. Beattie - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President: And planned outages from a – into the tune of maybe $0.03 year-over-year. There is regulatory deferrals in Alabama in 2014 that you don't have in 2015, and that's about another $0.03. And then for other changes that we're seeing it's about another $0.06, so we're right in target. That deferral I mentioned at Alabama will reverse itself at year-end. So, when you get to year-end, we should be right on target with what we talked about at 3%, at 3.5% growth in non-fuel O&M.

Ali Agha - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey

Analyst · Ali Agha with SunTrust

And that's the run rate to think about going forward as well? Arthur P. Beattie - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President: That's correct.

Ali Agha - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey

Analyst · Ali Agha with SunTrust

Yeah. And lastly, Tom, just clarifying the Vogtle dispute with the contractors, from your perspective, I know in the past you've alluded to the fact that if the other side is willing, there may be a settlement to be had where you give up some, they give up some and you move forward. Is that still an option or am I hearing that things are now going in a different direction, that they themselves are not sure where to go, or is that still something we should keep an eye on? Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: Well, I think it's something to keep an eye on. Look, we're always looking for a successful resolution. Failing a settlement, we're going to end up in court in Augusta, Georgia, to litigate around the commercial disputes. So, I think once the contractors resolve their own differences, we'll be in a position to address in a constructive way how to settle this thing. I'm an optimist, but I think it's reasonable optimism. I think we have a basis to go forward. But, they've got to resolve their own differences first.

Ali Agha - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey

Analyst · Ali Agha with SunTrust

Got it. Thank you. Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: You bet. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Paul Patterson with Glenrock Associates. Please proceed with your question.

Paul Patterson - Glenrock Associates LLC

Analyst · Paul Patterson with Glenrock Associates. Please proceed with your question

Good afternoon, guys. Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: Hey, Paul.

Paul Patterson - Glenrock Associates LLC

Analyst · Paul Patterson with Glenrock Associates. Please proceed with your question

I have a really sort of quick question, I guess. Now that you guys are further along in the project and what have you, what do you guys estimate the cost of turning the lignite into gas is on just an operational basis? Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: Okay. So, when I answer that one, Paul, I generally think about it as a net energy price equivalent to gas to Mississippi's customers. Now...

Paul Patterson - Glenrock Associates LLC

Analyst · Paul Patterson with Glenrock Associates. Please proceed with your question

In NBT (65:56) you mean? Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: Yeah. So, let me give it to you on what it used to be and we'll project, we'll get an estimate on what it is now. So, recall that our ability to stand behind our construction overruns has preserved largely the capital cost economics to Mississippi's customers. When I think about the relative lack of volatility of lignite fuel supply into the plant, so we control all that fuel, there's almost no volatility relative to natural gas. Now remember the net cost is really net of also sales of by-products, which include sulfuric acid, ammonia, and CO2. The biggest issue there is CO2. At $100 a barrel, so this obviously isn't the case today, at $100 a barrel, remember, the CO2 revenues are indexed to oil. The net energy price was equivalent to about $1.25 per million BTUs, somewhere in that range. Now with oil prices being down, the net energy price would be up, so let say it's, I don't know, call it $2.50. If $100, and call oil $50, and I'm being kind of broad brush here, but say it's $2.50 per million BTUs, somewhere in there. So, my sense is gas today is, what, $2.82, somewhere in there, last I saw? You're still going to compete favorably with natural gas with this plant. It'll be by all reasonable estimates a base load facility, and for those economics, recall it has almost no volatility.

Paul Patterson - Glenrock Associates LLC

Analyst · Paul Patterson with Glenrock Associates. Please proceed with your question

Okay. So, let me just understand this. So, what you're saying is with the CO2 being used to extract oil, is that what you mean? Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: That's right. Remember, we sell it under contract at Tellus and Denbury...

Paul Patterson - Glenrock Associates LLC

Analyst · Paul Patterson with Glenrock Associates. Please proceed with your question

Okay. Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: ...and we get paid revenue for what would otherwise be a waste stream.

Paul Patterson - Glenrock Associates LLC

Analyst · Paul Patterson with Glenrock Associates. Please proceed with your question

Okay. Because it's indexed to oil, and as a result, obviously those numbers have changed, but even with them changing on an operational basis, you guys see all the reagents, all the energy you have to put into it, et cetera, the extraction is basically approximately $2.50, give or take. Is that right? Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: That was a broad estimate, okay?

Paul Patterson - Glenrock Associates LLC

Analyst · Paul Patterson with Glenrock Associates. Please proceed with your question

Okay. Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: I don't have in the top of my head what ammonia's worth, what sulfuric acid is worth. It assumes a heat rate, it assumes a variety of things. But that would be, as I sit here right now, it would be a reasonable estimate.

Paul Patterson - Glenrock Associates LLC

Analyst · Paul Patterson with Glenrock Associates. Please proceed with your question

And you see this as dispatching pretty much... Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: Yes.

Paul Patterson - Glenrock Associates LLC

Analyst · Paul Patterson with Glenrock Associates. Please proceed with your question

Once it's up and running. We're not going to have a situation where you're just going to be running natural gas through the CCGT because it's more economic? Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: I wouldn't think so, no.

Paul Patterson - Glenrock Associates LLC

Analyst · Paul Patterson with Glenrock Associates. Please proceed with your question

Okay. That's it. I mean, you've answered all my other questions. Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: Thank you, sir.

Paul Patterson - Glenrock Associates LLC

Analyst · Paul Patterson with Glenrock Associates. Please proceed with your question

Thanks a lot. Have a good one. Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: Thank you. You too. Appreciate you being on.

Operator

Operator

Our final question comes from the line of Dan Jenkins with State of Wisconsin Investment Board. Please proceed with your question. Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: Hey, Dan.

Dan Jenkins - State of Wisconsin Investment Board

Analyst · State of Wisconsin Investment Board

Hi. Good afternoon. Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: How are you doing, bud?

Dan Jenkins - State of Wisconsin Investment Board

Analyst · State of Wisconsin Investment Board

Pretty good. I have a couple related to the economy. You mentioned how you're seeing a rebound or a pickup in the residential and commercial areas, but I noticed that on the industrial it seemed it was a little slower than what we've seen in the last few months. I'm wondering if you have any more color on that. Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: Yeah. Sure. Look, it's been consistent with kind of what the Fed has been seeing, it's what everybody's been kind of speculating, me included. Gosh. As the dollar has gained in strength relative to the euro, and when we think about what's going on in China and everything else, the United States economy, like it or not, may be the best place for people to invest, including Treasuries. Therefore, the strength of the dollar has really increased. And one of the dilemmas that the Fed is trying to deal with is that they start on a path to lift off, if you will, and then depending on what trajectory they select, you could see further strengthening of the dollar relative to other international currencies, and obviously that could have an impact on exports, okay? We've seen already some of that happen. So, when you think about the Grexit, whether it happens are not, Japan, China, like I said, event risk in the Soviet Union or in the Middle East, the dollar still looks pretty darn good. So, we've seen some slowdown in exports. Likewise, we've seen an increase in imports. The other thing that's kind of weighed on the industrial activity a little bit is oil prices. As oil prices being so low, we've seen kind of a reduction of bid in the pipelines, some manufacturing, things like that. Primary metals are down a little bit, chemicals are down a little bit, also, in this whole mix. So, that's what you're seeing. That's what's responsible for some of that.

Dan Jenkins - State of Wisconsin Investment Board

Analyst · State of Wisconsin Investment Board

Okay. Good. I also had a question, another question kind of related to the changes you've made to the financing plan. You know, overall it has, the three-year total didn't change much, but it looks like the 2015's about were $445 million lower, whereas 2016's $475 million higher. But you're still talking about the same CapEx numbers? So, should we maybe – is that more related to maybe some CapEx getting delayed into 2016 that was in 2015? Or how should we think about that year-over-year change related to the CapEx forecast? Arthur P. Beattie - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President: Dan, it really is a function of cash flows within the operating companies, how they change, what their needs might be, whether they can push an issuance out of one year into the next. Again, we try to balance from a Southern Company perspective, who's going to market, when they go to market, so that we don't all go at the same time. So, we're just trying to balance out as we move through time how we tap the markets in the most efficient way.

Dan Jenkins - State of Wisconsin Investment Board

Analyst · State of Wisconsin Investment Board

Okay. And then lastly on Vogtle, you didn't really breakout the Unit 3 and Unit 4 like you have in the past. And so, I'm just curious, just looking into this current quarter, the third quarter, it sounds like setting the Unit 3 say one is one of the critical items. I was wondering if you could identify any of the other critical items in Unit 3 and Unit 4 in this upcoming quarter. Arthur P. Beattie - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President: Well, the near term, you hit it, would be to set the CA01 in Unit 3. There are some other things going on there, the transmission work that we mentioned, I believe, in the script. That ops building, as Tom mentioned as well, is very, very important to us. The one other thing that's really not mentioned here, which is really down on the horizon part of Unit 3, it's the installation of the turbine generator, which I believe is late this year, early next, I believe. Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: That's right. Arthur P. Beattie - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President: Which is a big deal. And that turbine building has probably another 60 feet of steel to go on top once that turbine deck's built. So, if you look at the pictures we put in the slide deck, it's beginning to look like what it's going to look like at the end of the day. And that's exciting for us. Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: And you know what, I'll just make the invitation, I know certain of you guys have taken investors on to the site to be able to see this stuff, the scale of this work is just immense. And in order to kind of get an appreciation for it, if you guys maybe want to come see it, we'd be glad to arrange any kind of visit you want.

Dan Jenkins - State of Wisconsin Investment Board

Analyst · State of Wisconsin Investment Board

Okay. How about Unit 4? Are there any critical items in this quarter [c there? Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: Yeah, Dan. I think they set some smaller modules in, but the real big work there is going to be modular related. The CA20 assembly has begun in the modular assembly building. And they've begun making panels for the CA01 module at Unit 4 as well. So, those are big deals. We've learned a lot of lessons from Unit 3, and we're hopefully to going to put those lessons to use and build them quicker on Unit 4. Arthur P. Beattie - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President: Yeah. And the other thing that I guess I come away with when I go out there and kick the tires on the side, listen to the people building it, we're actually feeling pretty good about the schedule on Unit 2. There's a lot of element – I'm sorry, Unit 4. There's a lot of elements on Unit 4 that relative to Unit T3 are accelerated. That's good for the project.

Dan Jenkins - State of Wisconsin Investment Board

Analyst · State of Wisconsin Investment Board

Okay. Thank you. Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: Thank you, sir. Operator, are there any more questions?

Operator

Operator

And at this time, there are no further questions. Sir, are there any closing remarks? Thomas A. Fanning - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer: Sure. I just want to say thank you to everybody. We had a heck of a first half of the year. The franchise is doing fabulous. We're coming off a year where we were the highest level of customer satisfaction, that's our ultimate barometer. But financially, we're great; operationally, we're great. Southern Power's doing fine. Making big progress on these big projects. I'm very happy to report a really good first six months and look forward to the next six months. Thank you all for being on the call. Thank you for following us, and look forward to talking with you soon. Have a great afternoon.

Operator

Operator

Thank you, sir. Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude The Southern Company's second quarter 2015 earnings call. We thank you for participating in today's call, and you may now disconnect your lines.