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Sonos, Inc. (SONO)

Q2 2008 Earnings Call· Fri, Jul 25, 2008

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the SonoSite second quarter 2008 conference call. My name is Marsh and I'll be your coordinator for today's call. (Operator Instructions) I would now like to turn the call over to Ms. Anne Bugge. You may proceed.

Anne Bugge

Management

Thank you, operator, and good afternoon. This is Anne Bugge, Vice President of Corporate Communications for SonoSite. Before we begin, SonoSite issued its news release after the market closed today, July 24, 2008, regarding financial results for the second quarter ended June 30, 2008. If you have not yet received a copy of the release, please contact SonoSite Investor Relations at 425-951-1333 and a copy will be sent to you immediately. You can also access the release on SonoSite's website at www.sonosite.com under the investor section. A replay of the call will be available beginning at 4:30 PM Pacific time today and available through midnight Pacific Time, August 7, 2008. The replay number for US participants is 617-801-6888 or toll free 888-286-8010. The confirmation code is 85676843. Additionally, this call is being broadcast over the internet and can be accessed via company's website at sonosite.com. I would like to remind you that this conference call contains certain projections or forward-looking statements regarding future events or the future financial performance of the company. Except for historical information discussed in this conference call, the statements made today, contain forward-looking statements that involve substantial risks and uncertainties. Actual results could differ materially because of factors listed in the management discussion and analysis section of the company's 2007 Form 10-K and in other filings and reports with the SEC. We do not undertake any duty to publicly update any forward-looking statements. Now, I would like to turn the call over to Mr. Kevin Goodwin, President and Chief Executive Officer of SonoSite.

Kevin Goodwin

President

Thank you, Anne, and good afternoon everyone. Thank you for joining us on the call today. Also with us today is our new CFO, Bernie Pitz, whom I'll introduce a little later in the call. Before making my comments on the quarter, I want to let you know that we just, a few hours ago, received some very good news out of Madison, Wisconsin. The judge in the GE patent litigation case, that was set to go to trial on August 11th, granted summary judgment motions in SonoSite's favor on five of the six patents that GE has asserted against us. She ruled that one of the GE patents is invalid, and that SonoSite products do not infringe on the other four GE patents. She also granted summary judgment in GE's favor on two of the patents that we had asserted against GE, and she has not ruled on two of our remaining patents and one remaining GE patent. So of the six patents that GE claimed against us, one is still remaining, and of the four patents we asserted against GE, two are still standing. This is great news and we look forward to the trial in August. Now, I want to move on to the second quarter. Our momentum continued to be strong in the quarter at 25% gross. Second quarter revenue reflected an acceleration of demand for our new products. Excluding the impact of foreign exchange rates, worldwide revenues grew to 21%. The U.S. grew its revenues by 19%, and our international grew by 31%, or 24% excluding the impact of foreign exchange rate changes. Not only were the bookings strong, but there was improved linearity in the quarter, the way in which the bookings came into the company. Profitability also showed a nice increase, despite an…

Bernie Pitz

CFO

Thank you, Kevin. I am pleased to be here and excited about working with the team to identify ways in creating value and to execute on the major opportunities before us. As Kevin mentioned, second quarter revenue was up 25%, or 21%, excluding foreign exchange rate changes. The impact of foreign exchange rate changes on international revenue in Q2 was approximately 7%. So, the growth on a constant currency basis would have been 24%. Looking at the quarter by geographic segments, and comparing results to Q2 of 2007, U.S. revenues were $27.8 million, up 19%. Europe, Africa and Middle-East revenues were $16.7 million, up 34%, or 27% on the constant currency basis. Latin America and Canada revenues were $5.7 million, up 29%, or 26% on a constant currency basis. In Asia Pacific, revenues were $8.9 million, up 27%, or 17% on a constant currency basis. So, a very broad based performance overall. Total non- U.S. revenue represented 53% of total revenues, compared to 50% in Q2 of 2007. Gross margin in the second quarter was 70%, compared to 69% in Q2 of 2007. Changes in foreign currency exchange rates had a favorable impact of almost one percentage point. There were some other items that largely offset one another, including positive impact of a decrease in royalties of about $500,000, the negative impacts for write-off of about $600,000 of obsolete inventory, as well as an increased rate of trade-ins as customers wanted to upgrade to the new products. At $36.1 million, total operating expenses for the quarter grew by 16%, or 13% when excluding the foreign exchange impact. The rate adjusted increase of 13 points was primarily due to two things: 9 points related to outside legal expense, which was 3.5 million in the second quarter of 2008, compared with $700,000…

Kevin Goodwin

President

Thank you, Bernie, and as many of you know, once Labor Day is over we enter our busiest season of the year, with the most important trade shows starting in October, ending in December. We are seeing an excellent reception and a robust market for our products, and see positive signs of building momentum. During July, we had a major milestone, over $1 billion in cumulative revenues since we began shipping in September '99. We are closing in on an global install base of 45,000 systems, on this, our 41st conference call. We are looking forward to building on our progress in the quarter and continue to drive strong performance in this year and next, and with that in mind, I'd like to open the call for your questions, thank you.

Anne Bugge

Management

Operator.

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions). Your first question comes from the line of Tycho Peterson for JP Morgan, you may proceed.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Tycho Peterson for JP Morgan, you may proceed

Hi, it's (inaudible) sitting here for Tycho.

Kevin Goodwin

President

Yes.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Tycho Peterson for JP Morgan, you may proceed

Just a quick question for you about the quarter in terms of -- if you talk about the clinical applications, which ones do you see are growing fastest. Then I have a follow-up in terms of pricing and competition, if you can talk about competitive activity?

Kevin Goodwin

President

Okay, we don't breakout our clinical segment revenues; however we historically have commented on our focus and our focal points in medicine which are in emergency care, anesthesiology and critical care. All three of those segments are doing very well in growth; they are adopting and we are leading the charge and we believe increasing market share. Products are uniquely designed for that. We are seeing growth in other sectors as well as new market opportunities and other specialties. So, the basic formula or hypothesis of growth here at SonoSite is absolutely happening. Regarding pricing and competition, we feel pricing is holding up in an environment where there is more competition. That competition, however, is from the same players, primarily General Electric and few of the other major imaging companies. We do have in our view a significant market share lead in the segments that we focus on which are the point of care segments in the hospital and outside. So that's about what I can only say at this stage.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Tycho Peterson for JP Morgan, you may proceed

So, are you seeing anything from (inaudible) at all?

Kevin Goodwin

President

No, not at all.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Tycho Peterson for JP Morgan, you may proceed

Okay, thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Alan Robinson from RBC. Please proceed.

Alan Robinson

Analyst · Alan Robinson from RBC. Please proceed

Hi, good afternoon.

Kevin Goodwin

President

Hi, Alan.

Alan Robinson

Analyst · Alan Robinson from RBC. Please proceed

Nice quarter, well done there. Just a point of clarification, I presume the revised guidance does not include the news that we just heard from the GE decision, nor does it include the Zonare settlement. Is that correct?

Kevin Goodwin

President

Let me have Bernie answer that. Yes?

Bernie Pitz

CFO

Sure it does - the 9% to 11% operating margin does include the news and the ranges. Why? Because we don't have an internal estimate yet of exactly how much that will impact us, the debt balance --

Alan Robinson

Analyst · Alan Robinson from RBC. Please proceed

Okay, so it does include both news items, okay.

Bernie Pitz

CFO

No only the GE item, it does not include the Zonare.

Alan Robinson

Analyst · Alan Robinson from RBC. Please proceed

I see, thank you. And in terms of the remaining GE patents that remains to be decided, which one is that. Could you give us an idea of broadly what it covers?

Kevin Goodwin

President

Yes hold on a second. It is patent number 621327 and it pertains to DICOM; sorry, we are dropping patent documents.

Anne Bugge

Management

Really.

Kevin Goodwin

President

So in an event it's a DICOM related patent.

Alan Robinson

Analyst · Alan Robinson from RBC. Please proceed

Okay, got you. Recalling the first quarter, you mentioned that US sales would have been higher -- had it not been for a push. Could you quantify the extent of that push in the second quarter, the extent to which it helped your US sales in the quarter that we've just had.

Kevin Goodwin

President

Can't quantify it Allen, but I'll say that the business that rolled over from Q1 to Q2, I believe virtually all of it came in so it certainly contributed to the growth. However, I would not do too much of that information, because the US finished very strong. We had an excellent quarter on both of the US and international side and therefore carried a strong quarter, if you roll revenue momentum into the second half.

Alan Robinson

Analyst · Alan Robinson from RBC. Please proceed

Okay. And could you give us an idea what your, what the share of revenues brought buy the legacy MicroMaxx product was?

Kevin Goodwin

President

You know we don't have that Bernie --

Bernie Pitz

CFO

We don't break sales up by products, so we don't want to get that granular on it.

Alan Robinson

Analyst · Alan Robinson from RBC. Please proceed

All right, and just lastly; what kind of trends are you seeing in US hospital spending plans? Are you starting to see a slowdown in budgets, or no slowdown or perhaps just selective spending declines in areas where you are less exposed?

Kevin Goodwin

President

We have not seen a slowdown in spending for what we sell and to whom we sell it. Remember, our technology is used to improve patient care efficiency, safety and overall quality. It absolutely improves physician performance through visualization. Frankly, I like our position. I think Toyota has positioned itself in the auto market with this new hybrid technology which solves a lot of problems given these shifting environment. We don't seem to be caught up in the capital spending problems of the larger more expensive hardware.

Alan Robinson

Analyst · Alan Robinson from RBC. Please proceed

All right, good news. Then actually just one last one, I am sorry - the settlement with Zonare. Does this imply or perhaps open the door to any collaboration going forward, perhaps the start of a new relationship either in terms of R&D collaboration or sales collaboration? It seems to me there is not too much overlap in your respective end markets.

Kevin Goodwin

President

No, they are absolutely a competitor and so as a result I don't see much more collaboration than what we have just done.

Alan Robinson

Analyst · Alan Robinson from RBC. Please proceed

All right, that's all, thank you.

Kevin Goodwin

President

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of [Jerrin Holds] from Thomas Weisel Partners. You may proceed.

Jerrin Holds

Analyst

Thank you, good afternoon. Have a question on the Zonare patent. Can you just explain why that the case was settled? It just seems like the 412 patent for SonoSite could be interpreted is more important than the Zonare patent. Can you just help us understand why that was settled?

Kevin Goodwin

President

Well, that will require going through the settlement itself. And I would say that we made a sensible move in our view not one that really would imply anything about the value of the two patents in our opinion. And at this stage, I'd say, it will be seen I think in the long-term as a good move.

Jerrin Holds

Analyst

So they can still sell their Z.ONE with the scanner, but they are prohibited from coming out in the market with another handheld device under 10 pounds, is that correct?

Kathy Surace-Smith

Analyst · Charley Jones from Barrington Research. You may proceed

Yes this is Kathy Surace-Smith, SonoSite's General Counsel. As the license on the 412 only extends to the Z.ONE product line, it does not extend to any other products under 10 pounds.

Jerrin Holds

Analyst

Okay, so could Zonare come out with another 10 pound machine as an adjunct to either the Ultra or one of their other systems?

Kathy Surace-Smith

Analyst · Charley Jones from Barrington Research. You may proceed

Not without infringing the patent or violating the license terms.

Jerrin Holds

Analyst

Okay and in regards to the GE case, Is the 412 in your case still outstanding?

Kathy Surace-Smith

Analyst · Charley Jones from Barrington Research. You may proceed

The 412 was not involved in this particular case we are discussing today. There is a separate law suite by GE in the same court room filed in May of this year, seeking to invalidate the 412. And that is in process that litigation separately from this initial one which was filed by them last May.

Jerrin Holds

Analyst

I see, okay and just lastly on products. It seems that the S Series is doing very well, given the design and the features of the zero foot print idea. Are there any companies out there that appear to be entering this space and if so are there, how do you feel about the patent surrounding that type of technology? Thanks a lot.

Kevin Goodwin

President

Well there are other companies growing look-alike products in this space, look-alike in the sense to say our Turbo products, clam shell design. No one so far is coming at the marketplace with this highly innovative S strategy that we have employed and that the IP applications are implications of the same for both product lines. So, that's really the way to think about that.

Jerrin Holds

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Charley Jones from Barrington Research. You may proceed.

Charley Jones

Analyst · Charley Jones from Barrington Research. You may proceed

Good afternoon, nice quarter.

Kevin Goodwin

President

Thank you.

Charley Jones

Analyst · Charley Jones from Barrington Research. You may proceed

I think so. I have questions here and Bernie, welcome and…I'm missing Mike, but welcome.

Bernie Pitz

CFO

Thank you

Charley Jones

Analyst · Charley Jones from Barrington Research. You may proceed

I'm missing Mike, but welcome. Could you give us the percentage of revenue that M-Turbo made up? The reason why I asked is, we used to really talk about just MicroMaxx and I'd like to have it for comparison purposes?

Bernie Pitz

CFO

Yeah, we don't break them out individually - just indicated that the two were over 50% M-Turbo and S Series.

Charley Jones

Analyst · Charley Jones from Barrington Research. You may proceed

Okay. Is that it? Kevin you are not going to break out M-Turbo?

Kevin Goodwin

President

Well, no. We'll do only [visually] which is to give you commentary on the sector, which is the sum of the two, M-Turbo and S, but Bernie got it right.

Charley Jones

Analyst · Charley Jones from Barrington Research. You may proceed

Okay. And then what are the two patents that are still outstanding on your end for GE discussed in the…?

Kevin Goodwin

President

Hold on a second, we have our general counsel who will help with you that.

Kathy Surace-Smith

Analyst · Charley Jones from Barrington Research. You may proceed

The two patents of ours that are still outstanding are the 6569101 and the 6962566, and we are hoping for rulings on those and the one outstanding GE patent in the next few days.

Charley Jones

Analyst · Charley Jones from Barrington Research. You may proceed

Okay, great. And then what's your time line for the 412 patent?

Kathy Surace-Smith

Analyst · Charley Jones from Barrington Research. You may proceed

Well, that's up to the court. At this point the trial is set for next year, beginning of next summer.

Charley Jones

Analyst · Charley Jones from Barrington Research. You may proceed

Okay, and did you receive, did the patent that you cross licensed within Zanore? Did that help with the ruling today or does that have any implications in any of the future cases? You probably can't talk about the last part of that, but?

Kathy Surace-Smith

Analyst · Charley Jones from Barrington Research. You may proceed

Yes, you are right. I can't. But, it has no bearing on either of these, the first case or the second case.

Charley Jones

Analyst · Charley Jones from Barrington Research. You may proceed

Okay that's helpful.

Charley Jones

Analyst · Charley Jones from Barrington Research. You may proceed

Bernie or Kevin, could you talk a little bit about international revenue growth? Could you highlight some areas where you are particularly strong, whether its Japan or China or just Europe Western or Eastern or --?

Kevin Goodwin

President

Yeah, China not beyond what we already did, we broke it out by the four regions that we normally report on, and beyond that not going into by countries specific information.

Charley Jones

Analyst · Charley Jones from Barrington Research. You may proceed

How did Japan do? Can you even go there? Is it starting to recover?

Kevin Goodwin

President

No, we are not going to provide any sales numbers on a particular country.

Charley Jones

Analyst · Charley Jones from Barrington Research. You may proceed

Okay. At what point do we -- do you guys have a buyback in place and if not would you consider one Kevin?

Kevin Goodwin

President

I'll let Bernie handle that.

Bernie Pitz

CFO

No, not currently and at some point in time if we don't believe we have an opportunity to invest the cash and exceed our weighted average cost to capital then we would consider either that or a one time dividend.

Charley Jones

Analyst · Charley Jones from Barrington Research. You may proceed

Okay so you don't have any plans to buy back the bonds?

Bernie Pitz

CFO

No, there are currently no plans over there.

Charley Jones

Analyst · Charley Jones from Barrington Research. You may proceed

Do you guys have things in your pipelines or I am having things falling out of the pipeline, because they didn't workout?

Bernie Pitz

CFO

Sure as Kevin mentioned we're actively looking at a number of opportunities and at this point don't have anything specific to report, but we are active.

Charley Jones

Analyst · Charley Jones from Barrington Research. You may proceed

Okay, and then could you comment a little bit on how this shift from MarketBridge has helped you?

Kevin Goodwin

President

Well, it has definitely helped us. It has been the rule since we started the company. We get better execution and performance when we manage it and do it ourselves. So MarketBridge gave us the starting point to work with; we have integrated that successfully and quickly and we've seen very nice improvement in the first half. We're very happy with our private office sales team and clearly it's a positive, the transition.

Charley Jones

Analyst · Charley Jones from Barrington Research. You may proceed

So how many sales reps you are up to now replacing that?

Kevin Goodwin

President

We are at about 70 territories in the US.

Charley Jones

Analyst · Charley Jones from Barrington Research. You may proceed

So you are allotted about 45 before, 48…

Kevin Goodwin

President

That was about the average in the year ago, yes.

Charley Jones

Analyst · Charley Jones from Barrington Research. You may proceed

Right, so you have gone a little bit just top end of that range that you talked about in the last quarter at least and not a couple more?

Kevin Goodwin

President

That's correct.

Charley Jones

Analyst · Charley Jones from Barrington Research. You may proceed

On the G&A, you talked about removing some of the GE litigation expense from your SG&A to go to the higher operating profit guidance that you have. Can you give us any more granularity on that? It was $3.5 million for the quarter. You still have a couple things outstanding, any help would be helpful.

Bernie Pitz

CFO

Right, now we have some late breaking news here just this morning. So we are currently evaluating where we are at with our difference cases and have nothing to report in terms of second half expenditures and outside legal costs.

Charley Jones

Analyst · Charley Jones from Barrington Research. You may proceed

So, it broke this morning but your guidance includes the information, right.

Bernie Pitz

CFO

Yeah, we had to put a range on there, Charley because we don't have very specific information as you can imagine with the information just coming out today. So took a quick look at what it could do under a number of scenarios and included that in the operating range that we gave.

Charley Jones

Analyst · Charley Jones from Barrington Research. You may proceed

Were there any other positive contributors to that? You guys weren't expecting in the beginning of the year and now are you going to have a lot of spending?

Bernie Pitz

CFO

Well, I think probably the biggest one is that we have taken our revenue up for the year, right, that has a positive impact, so that's the biggest item.

Charley Jones

Analyst · Charley Jones from Barrington Research. You may proceed

Okay, thanks a lot guys.

Bernie Pitz

CFO

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Charles Chon from Goldman Sachs. You may proceed.

Charles Chon

Analyst · Charles Chon from Goldman Sachs. You may proceed

Hi everybody, thanks for taking the question.

Kevin Goodwin

President

Okay Charlie.

Charles Chon

Analyst · Charles Chon from Goldman Sachs. You may proceed

I just want to confirm one response before. Did you say that for the remaining patent was not included as part of this summary judgment decision today. Are you expecting a decision on those three patents before the case goes to trial on August 11?

Kathy Surace Smith

Analyst · Charles Chon from Goldman Sachs. You may proceed

That would be the normal procedure, when summary judge motions are pending. So we still have those motions on those three patents pending and judges typically will decide them before trail starts.

Charles Chon

Analyst · Charles Chon from Goldman Sachs. You may proceed

Okay, so stay tuned for those three patents. All right, the other question I had was just trying to piece together a couple of [dart points] you threw out there. You indicated that the US finished strong in the quarter. I was just wondering are you talking about the typical inter core trends that we see or that our pre-customary for cap equipment purchases or did you see a different sort of kind of trajectory through out the quarter there?

Kevin Goodwin

President

Well Charlie, what I saw as mentioned in the script was greater linearity, more consistent momentum week-by-week and a very strong finish. So we are about trying to go over board I'd say they had a really strong quarter and really almost ran the table for the quarter. We feel good about that it was a sort of a step forward for our sales force; it doesn't mean anything for the future they have still have to do it again but was an encouraging sign.

Charles Chon

Analyst · Charles Chon from Goldman Sachs. You may proceed

So when you are talking about linearity, I'd like to just focus on that for a quick second here. I am wondering what the read through is there. Are you trying to suggest that the sales funnel is much more stacked than, what you have seen in the past, is that the linearity that you are talking about. And also is linearity just only in the US or we are seeing that across broad including outside the US as well?

Kevin Goodwin

President

Well the later part of your question is very reasonable and that we have seen increased what I'd call weekly consistency and performance. So investors see that as a positive, may be linearity is a little bit of a wrong word. Otherwise our sales pipelines both US and international are very strong and getting stronger that's something we measure daily, weekly and monthly and those of course are leading indicators for us and they are definitely strong. So we see a good front end which is the pipeline. We have seen a good weekly backend which is a conversion to revenue and in general, we see a broadening in performance improvement the numbers that Bernie broke out from a geographic sector standpoint. I think these are good examples internationally, even without the dollar gains. And then on the US side we saw wider breath of performance and better weekly consistency. So, overall a good start, a good quarter to manage.

Charles Chon

Analyst · Charles Chon from Goldman Sachs. You may proceed

Great. And regarding the last question, in the first half of the year, we see international as a big part of the revenue mix. I understand that FX has a big part to do with this, but from here on out can you just tell us how we should think about the US OUX mix for the remainder of the year?

Kevin Goodwin

President

Sure, it's expected to be quite strong in the second half as well and approximately 50% of our business is expected to come internationally as it has over the first half.

Charles Chon

Analyst · Charles Chon from Goldman Sachs. You may proceed

Okay. So, then in terms of the US revenue growth opportunity, could we see a increase beyond what we've seen here in the first half and not to mention the second quarter growth trend?

Kevin Goodwin

President

Well, Charley lets say it this way, the international group is doing very well and they are growing better then expected. Therefore they are gobbling up a bigger part of the mix, whereas the US group is on target. So, that's what's causing a shift. I expect the US to be on target in the second half. As you know the US has a seasonally big buying period coming up Labor Day to New Years Eve. So, that is where their dollar scale is likely to really move up, however can't say enough about the international group. They are really moving it and they are trying to catch up this year. So we will take a 50:50 that's what it has to be.

Charles Chon

Analyst · Charles Chon from Goldman Sachs. You may proceed

Just to add one last question. In terms of US hospital growth, how strong was that growth during the quarter?

Kevin Goodwin

President

We're not going to break that out but it was excellent Charley.

Charles Chon

Analyst · Charles Chon from Goldman Sachs. You may proceed

Okay, thank you very much.

Kevin Goodwin

President

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And we have no further questions on the line and I would like to now turn the call back over to Mr. Kevin Goodwin. You may proceed.

Kevin Goodwin

President

Thank you, well as I mentioned earlier today marks our 41st conference call as a public company. We've now shipped over $1 billion in cumulative revenue. We are on our way to 45,000 installed systems. We have established a vital new category in medicine and I could say for the entire management team that we quite seriously feel like we are still just getting started. So we look forward to working with everyone in future and we will continue to do our best, thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you for your participation in today's conference and this concludes the presentation and you may now disconnect. Good day.