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OP
Operator
Operator
Good morning, and welcome to the Sono-Tek Fiscal Second Quarter and First Half 2025 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] After today’s presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. [Operator Instructions] Please note, this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr. Kirin Smith with PCG Advisory. Please go ahead, sir.
KS
Kirin Smith
Analyst
Thank you, operator, and thank you, everyone for joining us today. Sono-Tek released their second quarter and six months of fiscal 2025 results this morning. If you don’t have a copy of the release, please go to the company's website at sono-tek.com and click on the press release/news tab in the Investors section. The product to market and geography sales tables on the last page of the release will be part of today's discussion. With me on the call today are Dr. Chris Coccio, Sono-Tek's Executive Chairman; Steve Harshbarger, CEO and President; and Steve Bagley, Chief Financial Officer. Before turning the call over to management, I would like to make the following remarks concerning forward-looking statements. Please note that various remarks that may be made on this conference call about future expectations, plans and prospects for the company constitute forward-looking statements for the purposes of safe harbor provisions under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Actual results may vary materially from those indicated by these forward-looking statements as a result of various important factors, including those discussed in the company's filings with the SEC. Company assumes no obligation to update the information contained in this conference call. As a reminder, Sono-Tek currently holds two earnings calls per fiscal year. This is our mid-year call for the six months ended August 31, 2024. Our fiscal year-end is February, so fiscal 2025 will end on February 29, 2025. And our next earnings call for the 12 months of fiscal 2025 will be in May 2025. I would now like to turn the call over Chris Coccio, Executive Chairman of Sono-Tek. Chris, please go ahead.
CC
Chris Coccio
Analyst
Thank you, Kirin, and good morning, and thank you, everyone for joining us. Today, we're going to discuss our second quarter and also the first half of fiscal year 2025. The results were just released this morning before the market opened. I'll begin with some opening remarks, and then, Steve Harshbarger, our CEO and President will go through a deeper business and operational review. Then that will be followed by Steve Bagley, our Chief Financial Officer. He will provide the financial review in more depth. Following their comments, we'll open the call for your questions. Now many of you may already know, Sono-Tek developed a revolutionary approach for applying precision thin film coating several decades ago. This proprietary technology involves the use of an advanced high frequency ultrasonic nozzle system and that's all incorporated into specialty motion control systems. They are able to achieve uniform micron and nano thin coatings onto our customers' products. Now our thin film coating machines provide dramatic savings of the expensive liquids that are being applied and they're environmentally friendly by minimizing material usage and over spray. This often helps company comply with increasingly stringent government regulations that are aimed at reducing hazardous waste entering the environment. But the real principal advantage of our ultrasonic systems is the ability to apply precision thin films. They are becoming and they are vitally important in today's world with thousands of products and micro components now requiring a functional or protective coating to be added to them. They're all around us in our modern world. The strategic shift that we made several years ago to offer more complex as well as complete solutions has meaningfully broadened our adjustable market, resulted in significant growth in our average unit selling prices at the same time. Our larger machines now commonly…
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Steve Harshbarger
Analyst
Okay. Thank you, Dr. Coccio, and thanks everyone for joining us today. Firstly, I just want to echo Chris' enthusiasm. It's extremely gratifying to see our investments be really beginning to hit their stride. Our first half fiscal sales increased 10% year-over-year and our Q2 revenues increased 3% sequentially, which is in line with our guidance and on top of a strong rebound of sales that we saw in Q2 and Q3 of last year as supply chain issues began to become resolved. Clean energy including fuel cells, green hydrogen generation, carbon capture and advanced solar cells are markets that we've been providing R&D and pilot lines for close to a decade and we're now having a lot of success with these customers transitioning to our production scale systems. As a result of the prior process development work they did with our team of experienced application engineers. The increase in revenue for the first half of year 2025 was strongly influenced by a shipment to a substantial customer from the clean energy sector, who received shipment of three integrated coating systems totaling $2.19 million. All three of these systems are a reflection of our successful first stage project, Project Altair, which rolled the capabilities for sophisticated PLC based systems into our product offering and significantly expanded our addressable market. There are six more high ASP systems in our backlog for Project Altair and we do project more to follow. The increase in integrated coating systems we experienced was somewhat offset by our product division, which can fluctuate from time-to-time. Multi-axis coating systems, which are commonly used in the clean energy and medical device markets saw sales of $4.6 million for the first half of the year. These full system solutions contain some of our newest and highest average selling prices…
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Steve Bagley
Analyst
Thank you, Steve, and good morning, everyone. I will first walk through our fiscal 2025 second quarter results followed by our first half results. Net sales for the quarter decreased by 8% or $477,000 to $5.2 million compared to the second quarter of fiscal 2024. However, net sales for the second quarter increased by 3% or $131,000 compared to the first quarter sales of fiscal 2025 of $5,031,000. (ph) Gross profit decreased 10% year-over-year or $285,000 to $2,5 million and the gross profit percentage decreased by 100 basis points to 48.7% and this is due to product mix and the reallocation of specific labor expenses from engineering department to our cost of goods sold, and that reallocation started in the fourth quarter of fiscal 2024. However, as with our sales, gross profit for the second quarter increased 2.4% to $2.52 million from $2.46 million when compared to the first quarter gross profit. Operating expenses decreased just slightly to $2.23 million, when compared to $2.235 million in the prior year second quarter. Research and product development costs decreased to $696,000 versus $789,000 in the prior year quarter, primarily due to a decrease in salaries and the reallocation of specific labor expenses from engineering to course of goods sold. Marketing and selling expenses increased slightly to $988,000 for the quarter versus $945,000 in the prior year. And this increase was due to increased commissions and travel and trade show expenses. General and administrative expenses increased slightly to $546,000 for the quarter compared with $501,000 in the prior year. This increase is primarily due to increased salaries, legal and order fees, and other corporate expenses. Operating income decreased $280,000 or 49% to $286,000 compared with $566,000 in the prior year. The decrease in operating income in the second quarter of fiscal 2025 is…
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Operator
Operator
We will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Our first question is from Ted Jackson with Northland Securities. Please go ahead.
TJ
Ted Jackson
Analyst
Good morning. Congratulations on a solid quarter.
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Steve Harshbarger
Analyst
Hey, Ted. Good morning. Thanks for joining us.
TJ
Ted Jackson
Analyst
So got a few questions. I want to start on the Alta Energy (ph) and really with the quarter. So you had three large systems shipped during the quarter, $2.2 million. Can you talk to me, it sounds like two of the systems went to -- at least two of the systems went to a singular customer and a third, if I'm kind of parsing through your commentary, went to maybe another customer. What were the end markets for those two customers?
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Steve Harshbarger
Analyst
Yeah. They did ship to different locations, but the same customer, is a customer that's located at multiple locations throughout the world to big multinational company. And the end market is clean energy sector and it is an advanced solar application that were involved there. And that also Ted is the follow on orders that we've seen which are now scheduled in our FY 2026 deliveries, those -- that $6 million or almost $6 million of orders are following from that same customer as well.
TJ
Ted Jackson
Analyst
Well, that went into my next thing. So, those orders then I assume that $6 million is in your backlog and we should expect to see that $6 million roll through the income statement next fiscal year?
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Steve Harshbarger
Analyst
Yeah. Correct. If I had to project it, I would probably say, it's going to probably be pretty evenly split between our first quarter, second quarter and third quarter, but all of it certainly shipping in the next fiscal year that -- of that $5.9 million.
TJ
Ted Jackson
Analyst
Okay. And then that's just you have more behind that, that's what you have visibility on? The customer, from what I'm hearing, you talked about this situation for a number of months, but you're part of their, like, standard production, manufacturing, line and depend upon like how many lines they have, you're a part of it and they're in the process of rolling you out into their various manufacturing lines for panels. Is that correct?
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Steve Harshbarger
Analyst
Yeah. What I would describe this out is this is the rollout of Phase II. Phase I was what I would describe as our R&D and pilot line phase, which just proved feasibility for our technology. And then Phase II, which has now begun with these first machines that are -- the first ones that are now installed that it's got installed this month are actually true production high volume machines being installed. And that's still continuing on through the beginning of next year or the first half of next year. And that's when it's going to be being rolled out into multiple locations around the world. But it's only being rolled out as the first machines in these multiple locations. So there's still a Phase 3 and Phase 4 to follow which is really just the implementation of filling up all the plants and then the potential new plants that are likely to occur and need our machinery following that as well.
TJ
Ted Jackson
Analyst
Okay. It's very exciting.
SH
Steve Harshbarger
Analyst
Yes. [Multiple Speakers] only for us.
TJ
Ted Jackson
Analyst
And then with regards to, I mean, I won't get into too much detail with it, but with regards to the second half of this year, so a huge portion of your backlog is actually for next fiscal year. You are looking for growth in this fiscal year. I mean, do you see the second half of '25 being a similar magnitude in terms of sales as the first half of ‘25? Do you think it will at least remain flat and or up or down from that? And then what are the verticals that will sustain that for you in the second half of this fiscal year?
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Steve Harshbarger
Analyst
Yeah. For the current fiscal year, we certainly have given guidance to project growth for the current fiscal year. The amount of growth we haven't really laid out too specifically at this point, and that's partially because our ability to ship things out is always a little bit more questionable both from the customer aspect and the Sono-Tek internal aspect of when the customer will be ready for these products to be sent out and when we'll be ready to ship them. So these are all long lead time items in general that we're talking about. But we feel at this point confident with our projections to show growth for the current fiscal year, while adding significant backlog in for next fiscal year. And I think that's what we're even much more excited for that, if we can start adding more and more of these really high ASP systems into the backlog now, that they will be able to ship in next fiscal year. So, I think that the more exciting moment for Sono-Tek is the coming fiscal year. I mean, this current fiscal year is going to be good. I mean, we'll show growth. We're going to be profitable. But I think it's more important that we're positioning ourselves for a much more rapid acceleration of growth next fiscal year.
TJ
Ted Jackson
Analyst
So thinking then in terms of the second half of this year, it sounds that you feel that it's likely that you will exit with a higher level of backlog maybe than you exited this current quarter, this last quarter, that you'll see your backlog continue to grow?
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Steve Harshbarger
Analyst
I would hope so. We haven't given a projection that way, but I would hope so. I mean, one thing that's -- it's so staggering for us now because we're now selling these large high ASP systems that are rolling into the backlog on a more frequent basis now. All it takes is like one or two of these big machine orders to come in for $3 million, $4 million and to be like, that just shut our backlog way up for the coming year. And we have more than one customer that could potentially be filling that next big order to come in rolling in and beefing up our backlog for next fiscal year, so I would hope so. I don't know we haven't given a projection on that, but I think we'd certainly like to see that. And I think it's realistic. I mean, we still have five months in this current fiscal year to be adding things to the backlog.
TJ
Ted Jackson
Analyst
Okay. Then that brings me to kind of another question. Remind me as it relates to the capacity you have at the current location. I mean, I know you've kind of consistently been expanding it. And as you look at your facility today, as it's currently set up, how much revenue do you think you can run through it? And then, I know there's some space at your facility that you still haven't taken over. How much, at what point will you, if you were to, how much revenue can you potentially run through your existing property before you actually really run out of space?
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Steve Harshbarger
Analyst
Yeah. So within the existing buildings that we presently occupy because we still are renting, one, very large building that we don't occupy. We've taken over five of our buildings now. We still have the one left. And that within our existing footprint, today we believe we can get up to around $24 million, $25 million, but with some efficiencies to our floor which we have actually brought an outside consultant in to help with both efficiency and growth. We believe we can probably approach that closer to the $29 million mark within our existing footprint that we're in. And we'll know that number more precisely pretty soon upon the completion of this outside consultant we brought in to help us do new layout of our factory. But then beyond that, once we hit to that $29 million, $30 million area, we will be needing to take over the remaining building. And with that building, it's a large size building. I think we'll be able to be somewhere in that $40 million to $44 million area. Once we started to look at how to lay things out in a more efficient manner and effective manner from a product flow standpoint, we started to realize we could actually do a little bit more than we thought. So maybe that number might even increase slightly, but somewhere in that area of that $40 million to $44 million area within our existing footprint of what we own for the whole facility if we take over all the buildings.
TJ
Ted Jackson
Analyst
Okay. And then my last question for you. On the emerging R&D line item, it's fallen off, if you would, the last few quarters. And I guess, I'm curious, with the drop off there, is there something to be concerned with? I mean, if you aren't bringing in new kind of potential customers through those smaller systems, those R&D systems, isn't that the pipeline for longer term growth for Sono-Tek?
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Steve Harshbarger
Analyst
Yes. That's a good question. It's been asked by a few other investors recently also. What's actually happened, as we've matured as an organization and it brought on new capabilities to transition to production machines, the cycle of something staying on our radar as an emerging R&D application has become shorter. Because all of a sudden now, once we've gotten a hold of, hey, here's what they're doing. We could say, all right, let's transition that over to a product line and into one of our market baskets to really go after. So where something might have in the past set out there in that merging R&D area for us for three, four, five, maybe even six or seven years sometimes because we really didn't know how to transition it over to production, that's not the case anymore. So, what we tend to see is products go through that at a much faster rate and then transition into one of the other baskets for us relatively quickly or one of the other subsections of the baskets for us relatively quickly.
TJ
Ted Jackson
Analyst
Okay. All right. Well, again, congratulations for the quarter and thank you for taking my questions and I will step aside.
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Steve Harshbarger
Analyst
It was good chatting. Thanks.
OP
Operator
Operator
The next question is from Dick Ryan with Oak Ridge Financial. Please go ahead.
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Dick Ryan
Analyst
Thank you. Steve, just to look at the other half of the backlog then, you got the roughly half that's going to deliver in first, second, third quarter. What's the makeup of the other half of the backlog, either market wise or kind of product segment wise and what's the delivery? What's your expectation for delivery on that?
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Steve Harshbarger
Analyst
Yeah. So, looking at our existing record high backlog, it's pretty much split into those two large orders which are almost $6 million going into next fiscal year and pretty much the other half of that backlog, the majority of that all shipping in the current fiscal year. And it just so happens in that mix, we do end up having a high level of medical that is in that mix, in addition to some clean energy stuff too. But this happens to be a very healthy medical backlog for us right now and a lot of custom medical machines that are flowing through that and some new product machines. So, I think it may not be as high of emerging R&D as it is the first half of the year, but it's kind of nice to see a good mix where it's not just all emerging or assuming a high clean energy sector when I say that. It's going to be a lower, probably lower clean energy sector but that's okay. It's nice to have a mix of electronics and medical mixing in with that clean energy sector.
DR
Dick Ryan
Analyst
Yeah. You've worked on the diversification that's key. What if you turn the clock back for the year and a half, two years or whatever, you had vendor issues that kind of limited your capacity to get the product out the door and then you were trying to internalize some of those capabilities. Can you just kind of update us on that effort and if you think your supply chain is in good shape going forward to handle this backlog?
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Steve Harshbarger
Analyst
Yeah. It actually what I would consider a very successful program. It was not an easy program for us to go through, that was bringing in our whole NovoCoat product line, which required us to bring in a lot of in house expertise, a lot of controls, engineers, programmers. And -- but it did two things for us really. It made us so we would not run into one of these supply chain issues with an outside vendor again. We have -- it's much more within our control now. But we are now starting to see just a little bit of benefit on the gross margin side also. There was a lot of initial upfront cost to make those transitions to bring some of those product lines in house. But now that we're through a big chunk of that curve bringing that in, I think we'll start to be able to -- start to see some increased margins on some of these products that we were historically outsourcing and now we're bringing internally within Sono-Tek. And it is certainly most definitely an ongoing project that's happening. It's still, I would describe it maybe 50% to 70% of the way complete through the process. I mean, we're shipping products through it, but we could ship more. So, I think this will be happening for the next year to two years. We'll be continuing to expand that internal capability for us here, again, which should increase margins and just less dependent on the outside suppliers.
DR
Dick Ryan
Analyst
Okay. When you look at your lab traffic or conversations with customers about order pipeline, any commentary out there from them that they're looking at the economy that might be weakening or election cycle or funding piles of money may not be flowing? Any concerns on any of those sides?
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Steve Harshbarger
Analyst
Yeah. I would say our older more established markets something like printed circuit board, manufacturing, some of the industrial areas, they are definitely -- have definitely expressed some softening in their product sales, their end product sales. Fortunately for us the high-tech sectors, the medical, the microelectronics and the Alta energy sectors have not expressed that same slowing. And those are very clearly the more focused markets for us anyway. They are older more mature markets. We like them. We enjoy the flow business we get from them. But we are most certainly more focused on growing our high ASP complex platforms to these next-gen machines. I mean that's where we're going to be able to get the highest margins and really show the benefits of our technology. But there is certainly an underlying slowness and it makes me very happy now that we did make this strategic shift to focus on these large platform high ASP, very complex machines because they're really older established machines from the more mature markets, there is a slowing of those. And that's actually shown even in our sales that we're probably seeing a little slowness in our small platform machines, which are the low ASP machines coming from those more mature markets, but we're seeing the acceleration in these big platforms, highly complex machines. So, it's really fortunate strategic shift we made to move over to that direction.
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Dick Ryan
Analyst
Okay. Good. Thanks care of it for me. Thanks, Steve and congratulations.
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Steve Harshbarger
Analyst
Thanks, Dick. Good talking to you.
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Operator
Operator
The next question is from Bill Nicklin with Bill White Insights (ph). Please go ahead.
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Unidentified Participant
Analyst
Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my call.
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Steve Harshbarger
Analyst
Good morning, Bill.
UP
Unidentified Participant
Analyst
Actually, Ted and Dick cover a lot of what details of what I was interested in, but I do have kind of an overarching question. In the -- I think it's pretty obvious that you've been investing/spending heavily over the last few years, increased R&D, adding new capabilities, as you've described, as expanding your total addressable market, shifting into new markets with higher ASP and we’re there possibly providing better visibility and predictability down the road as you get these long lived type contracts. Maybe you could describe in some detail the journey surrounding these achievements that you've made? And then how you see them affecting Sono-Tek's growth and profitability trajectory over the next couple of years?
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Steve Harshbarger
Analyst
Sure. Right now, it's as you know Bill, it's been quite a journey for us. The focus to drive the ASP higher and higher on our machines and I've got to tell you it's been one of those things that I don't think any of us predicted we could have done what we've done. When we went from saying, hey, let's sell this $10,000 nozzle into $100,000 machine and then, hey, can we make that $100,000 machine a $0.25 million machine and then can we make it $1 million machine? We're still with the ultrasonic nozzle at the heart of every one of those machines. I think it's actually was somewhat of a surprise to us even that we bet that was a possibility to sell a $1.5 million machine with this $10,000 nozzle at the heart of it. But once we started heading down that path, we found it really wasn't that difficult as long as you had the application engineering know-how and expertise to become the customer's partner in creating these precision thin film coatings on next-gen products. The customers really desired it and they even desired it before we had the capabilities. They were asking us for this, but we just didn't realize that we had the capabilities to do it. And it just took us a while to say, let's really spend that the resources and upfront money to develop that in house capabilities to make these very complex systems for these thin film coatings. And we've now done that. Some of these latest projects like ARIES and Altair, I mean, these are huge projects. They took a lot of money that we spent and a lot of investment in R&D. But now we're shipping products that are just like we hoped. They're $0.5 million, $1…
UP
Unidentified Participant
Analyst
Thank you very much. Sounds good. Congratulations. I've been watching you folks for a while and you're getting the job done. I appreciate that.
SH
Steve Harshbarger
Analyst
Thanks, Bill. It was good chatting.
CC
Chris Coccio
Analyst
Thank you, Bill.
OP
Operator
Operator
This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Steve Harshbarger for any closing remarks.
SH
Steve Harshbarger
Analyst
Okay. All right. Well, thank you everyone for joining us today. Sono-Tek's outlook is strong and based on our ongoing success with our large platform initiatives in these high-tech markets and the clean energy markets, and we really look forward to our next call that we will review our full fiscal 2025 results and that's going to be in May. But please anybody can feel to contact us directly, if you have any questions before then. And on behalf of Dr. Coccio, Steve Bagley and myself, we hope you all have a great rest of your day. And we look forward to talking to you again in another six months.
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Operator
Operator
The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.