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Spectrum Brands Holdings, Inc. (SPB)

Q1 2022 Earnings Call· Fri, Feb 4, 2022

$82.86

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Operator

Operator

And thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Q1 2022 Spectrum Brands Holdings, Inc. Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. After the speaker’s presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. And if there are any questions during the call [Operator Instructions] I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Mr. Jeremy Smeltser, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Mr. Smeltser, the floor is yours.

Jeremy Smeltser

Analyst

Thanks, Chris. Good morning, everyone. Welcome to Spectrum Brands Holdings ' Q1 2022 earnings conference call and webcast. I'm Jeremy Smeltser, CFO of Spectrum Brands, and I will moderate today's call. To help you follow our comments, we have placed the slide presentation on the event calendar page in the Investor Relations section of our website at www. spectrumbrands.com. This document will remain there following our call. Turning to Slide 2 of the presentation, our call will be led by David Maura, our Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, myself, and Randy Lewis, our Chief Operating Officer. After the opening remarks, we will conduct a Q&A. Turning to Slides 3 and 4, our comments today include forward-looking statements, which are based upon management's current expectations, projections, and assumptions and are by nature uncertain. Actual results may differ materially. Due to that risks, Spectrum Brands encourages you to review the risk factors and cautionary statements outlined in our press release dated February 4th, 2022, and our most recent SEC filings in Spectrum Brands Holdings most recent annual report on Form 10-K and quarterly reports on Form 10-Q. We assume no obligation to update any forward-looking statement. Also please note we will discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures in this call. Reconciliations on a GAAP basis for these measures are included in today's press release and 8-K filing, which are both available on our website in the Investor Relations section. I will now turn the call over to David Maura.

David Maura

Analyst

Hey. Thanks, Jeremy. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to our first quarter of 2022 earnings update. Thanks everybody for joining us this morning. Look, I'm going to kick the call off with an overview of the company's performance and our capital allocation priorities. After that, Jeremy is going to provide a more detailed financial update, and then Randy will come on and give an operational update, including all the different business unit results. If I could turn everyone's attention to Slide 6, look, these are very exciting times for Spectrum Brands. We've now begun our evolution into a faster growing, higher margin pure play Global Pet and Home & Garden company. We believe we can create meaningful shareholder value with this transformation. Our first quarter went largely as expected, with continued top-line growth, while margins contracted as input costs inflation exceeded price increases. We have additional pricing actions in place and more targeted to offset the unprecedented inflation we're currently experiencing. We continue to expect to achieve our earnings framework for the full year of mid to high single-digit net sales growth and low single digit adjusted EBITDA growth. Consumer demand, and retailer interest in our products and categories remain positive. We also continue to work towards the closing of the sale of our Hardware and Home Improvement segment to ASSA ABLOY for $4.3 billion. We remain confident that this transaction will close this year. And we're pleased to say that strong demand persists in HHI's end markets. Moving to Slide 7, the Tristar acquisition, which we announced this morning, will be transformational for our Home and Personal Care segment. The ability to leverage the studio content creation, DRTV, and direct-to - consumer business model of Tristar's talented team should enhance some of our legacy brands and help us drive…

Jeremy Smeltser

Analyst

Thanks, David. Turning to Slide 10 and a review of Q1 results from continuing operations, beginning with net sales. Net sales increased 2.9%, excluding the impact of $7.3 million of unfavorable foreign exchange and acquisition sales of $16.5 million. Organic net sales increased 1.6% despite COVID -related supply disruptions and overall supply chain constraints. Gross profit decreased $33.5 million and gross margin of 29%, declined 500 basis points from a year ago due to accelerated freight and input costs, inflation, pacing ahead of price increases timing, partially offset by productivity improvements. SG&A expense of $203.5 million, increased 5.7% at 27% of net sales with the dollar increase driven by higher distribution and transportation costs and higher advertising and marketing investments. The operating loss of $23.8 million was driven by the gross margin decrease and higher SG&A I mentioned. The declines in GAAP net income and diluted earnings per share were primarily driven by the operating loss and prior-year gains from our previous investments in Energizer common stock. Adjusted diluted EPS declined to a loss of $0.06 in the quarter, driven by lower operating income from the gross margin decline from inflation, and higher SG&A. Adjusted EBITDA was $49.3 million declining due to accelerated freight and input costs, pacing ahead of pricing adjustments and higher distribution costs, partially offset by improved productivity. Turning to Slide 11. Q1 interest expense from continuing operations of $21.8 million decreased $1.3 million due to our lower cost of debt. Cash taxes during the quarter of $6.6 million were $400 thousand higher than last year. Appreciation and amortization from continuing operations of $25.4 million was $1.7 million lower than the prior year. And separately, share and incentive-based compensation decreased from $6.9 million last year to $5.6 million this year. Cash payments for transactions were $17.9 million,…

Randy Lewis

Analyst

Thanks, Jeremy. And thank you all for joining us this morning. I'll review our first quarter operations results and business unit performance. Before I do that, I would like to spend a few minutes to summarize some of the macroeconomic factors at play and provide an update on the cost environment that we're operating in. Moving to slide 15. As David mentioned earlier in the presentation, the overall supply chain and cost environment remained very challenging in the first quarter. Inflation remained high per our expectation, but the supply chain issues were more severe than we anticipated. First, some of our agent suppliers experienced stricter COVID related shutdowns and caused availability issues. This negatively impacted shipments in the quarter especially in our Global Pet Care business. Second, COVID surges in some U.S. communities caused labor disruptions resulting in inefficiencies that drove our distribution costs higher. Third, the labor issues are also impacting our customers. And that led to material shipping delays in the quarter related to the customer's ability to receive and or pick up shipments that were ordered based on real demand. And the overall global supply chain also remained strained with consumer demand outpacing global shipments capacity, especially in the high-traffic holiday months. This led to longer lead times and in turn, required us to make inventory investments to ensure continuity of supply for our customers. In light of these continued ocean shipment capacity issues, we expect the freight rates to remain higher for a longer period in fiscal '22. This expectation of higher for longer freight costs is also a [Indiscernible] contributor to our increased inflationary outlook for fiscal '22. Moving to Slide 16, I'd like to highlight the various countermeasures we're putting in place to succeed in these very challenging times. First and foremost, our focus…

David Maura

Analyst

Thank you very much, Randy. Thanks, Jeremy. And thank you, everyone, for joining us on the call today. Look, there was a lot of news in today's announcements, and given that we've covered a lot on the call, let me conclude with the key takeaways here on Slide 22. First of all, we continue to make great progress on our strategic objective of creating a higher margin, faster growing Spectrum Brands. A business focused on Pet Care and Home & Garden consumable products. The HHI divestitures progressing well with the teams focused on supporting our friends at ASSA ABLOY with the regulatory reviews. With the recent announcement of the Tristar acquisition, we're taking a significant step towards our objective of creating a separate pure-play global platform with a powerful portfolio of leading brands in the Home and Personal Care appliance space. Secondly, our business fundamentals remain solid with consumer demand continuing to be strong in our product categories. We continue to post sales growth despite all the supply chain challenges as our investments in marketing and new product innovations are translating into success in the marketplace. Although our first quarter EBITDA reflects a temporary impact of inflation, pacing ahead of pricing, we expect our pricing coverage of inflation to improve with each sequential quarter. Third, despite the incremental inflation headwinds, we remain committed to our earnings framework for fiscal '22. We are delivering on our Global Productivity Improvement Program efficiency targets, and we continue to leverage our operating model to execute our winning playbook that has helped us exceed our commitments over the previous few quarters. Although we are now projecting higher inflation impact for the full year of $310 million to $330 million, we are putting in additional pricing actions now and other 10 countermeasures to deliver low single-digit EBITDA growth for the year. We remain encouraged by our consumer demand of our products and our retail partners enthusiasm for the categories, brands, and new product launches we have planned throughout the year. As I've mentioned on previous calls, we are committed to managing the business for the long-term success of the Company. And I'm very proud of the way the team has come together to manage the business through this challenging supply chain environment. I remain confident that this management team will continue to execute, with tremendous discipline to drive the profitability of our company in fiscal '22 and beyond. I want to close by saying thanks once again to our employees who are navigating our company successfully through these unprecedented times. I want you to know that the future of the company is bright and we continue to make Spectrum Brands better. And we continue to make living better at home for our customers around the world. I want to turn the call back over to Jeremy now for questions. Thank you.

Jeremy Smeltser

Analyst

Thanks, David. Hey, Chris let's go ahead and start the Q&A. Can you queue that up, please?

Operator

Operator

Thank you, sir. As a reminder to ask a question [Operator Instructions] And our first question comes from Peter Grom of UBS. Your line is open.

Peter Grom

Analyst

Hey. Good morning, guys.

Jeremy Smeltser

Analyst

Good morning, Peter.

Peter Grom

Analyst

So maybe just to start on the HPC transaction, can you maybe provide some more context or background on the deal? How does the timing of HHI closing impact your decision around spending HPC if at all? And then I guess more broadly, can you just give us some thoughts to -- what determines how you're going to structure that deal? How you decide on timing? And then David, just more broadly, what in your opinion is the right value for these new appliances business?

David Maura

Analyst

I appreciate all the questions. Look, we're really focused on creating value for our stakeholders. And we've got two phenomenal businesses in our holding company, our Global Pet Care business, and our Home and Garden business. And these tend to be much faster growing, much higher margin businesses. And when I look at the valuations being preyed in the private sector of recently 14x, 15x, 16x EBITDA for assets similar to this, I think it's behooving upon me as a fiduciary to think about how to create value for our stockholders. And so, look, the HHI business, we bought it in 2012, we were really good stewards of it. We had to look each other in the eye and say, hey, can we make a real leapfrog or an exponential uplift in earnings from where we've taken it, and we decided that our friends at ASSA ABLOY are going to be able to take this to the next level globally. And we think it's a great partnership for our employees there and Tim and the team is doing a great job there. The end markets remain robust and they're managing through this inflation cycle better than a lot of people. So, hats off to HHI. I've said in the past that once that $4.3 billion comes in the door, priority one is deleveraging the balance sheet, but we do want to redeploy that to roll up what we believe is a very fragmented Home & Garden and Global Pet supply industry. And we really believe we can create a lot of value for shareholders there. I think if people really look at our business today, the holding company today is trading at about seven times EBITDA pro forma the HHI business. And that's why I have been aggressive in buying…

Peter Grom

Analyst

Totally understand. And maybe just following up on the comment around the proceeds for HHI. Last call, it sounded like buybacks will be big use and obviously the stock has retreated quite a bit here. And I know either you or Jeremy mentioned that as the timing or gets closer for HHI, you may accelerate buybacks. But can you maybe help us understand what that buyback program may look like?

David Maura

Analyst

Look, we just bought a 150 million bucks of stock the other day. And actually, the share price declining is good for us. We like when we're buying back stock for the stock to be cheaper. So, if you don't believe in our strategy, we're happy to take your shares and shrink that float. Look, clearly, as we get closer to $4.3 billion coming over the transom, if I happen to believe that our Pet and Home & Garden businesses are worth 14- or 15-times EBITDA and the market wants to continue to value our company around seven times, the greatest single use of wealth creation that I could possibly do is continue to buy stock. And so, look, let's get there. We're in a regulatory review. We are very confident the deal will close, but it's going to take a lot of work. We don't have any specific date to give you that -- We can say, this is the day that it's going to close, but on the day of closing, I want to de -lever and depending on where our share prices and how the market is valuing us, we will then communicate to you what we're doing there on that front. But yes, look, clearly the stock is around here and we've got 3.5 plus billion of net cash proceeds or somewhere there about, we will -- we will buy a lot more shares.

Peter Grom

Analyst

Got it. Thanks so much and best of luck.

David Maura

Analyst

Hey, thank you. Appreciate your questions.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Bob Labick of CJS Securities. Your line is open.

Robert Labick

Analyst

Good morning. Thanks. Lots of exciting stuff going on.

Jeremy Smeltser

Analyst

Good morning, Bob.

Robert Labick

Analyst

I wanted to start, I think you highlighted this in one of the slides, but maybe dig in a little more into we'll call it your inflation playbook, and just how you're planning on mitigating through this year, just get a little more detail. Maybe you could talk about how and where you decide which products, how you decide on prices and where you can pass them on? How long does it take for the last 20% of the price increases to move through the channel, just maybe the staging? And then lastly, what's been the competitive response so far to pricing? Obviously, the inflationary impacts are not unique to Spectrum. It's a macro event, so how are competitors reacting as well?

David Maura

Analyst

Look, I'll do the top, the big summary and then Randy and Jeremy do the specifics. We are living through an unprecedented time. Let's just face it. Some of these input costs, they're incredible. We have instances where our freight is up 10 times from where it used to be, and we have some input costs that up 45%. And so, we're not excited about having to raise prices. Our retailers [Indiscernible] and we don't think inflation at this level is great for the consumer. What I would say is the consumer appears to be plus with cash still. Our demand across the board continued to be quite strong. We're all still trying to deal with a fragmented and broken supply chain. That's taking longer than any of us wish to fix. But we -- unfortunately, pricing is what we need to do to restore our margin structure. That's our fiduciary duty. I'm hell-bent on making that happen. And we're going to show you margin improvement with every quarter we've got left to this year. And I'll pass it to Randy and Jeremy for further detail.

Randy Lewis

Analyst

Yeah. Bob, you asked about the mechanics and really, it's an item level profitability analysis that has to do with all of the inflow of increased costs, as David said, price increases in this environment are really kind of the last thing that we want to spend our time on, but it's what we have to and so we're simply taking the pricing whereas necessary to do the right thing for the business. And you asked about the last 20%. I don't want to imply that there's a 20% tail there that's going to take a long time to get to it. That's just the timing associated with the new visibility to longer-term freight costs, et c, that are going to extend deeper into the fiscal year than what we thought. So, I don't anticipate there to be any executional -- increased executional risk with that. As it relates to competitive response as David said, this is a brand-new playbook and so most of our buyers, most of our retail partners, and most of our competitors are in the same boat where we're figuring this out as we go along, and we're all trying to do the right thing for the categories and the consumers. So, I don't really think there's anything material with regards to competitive response in most of our businesses. We're depending upon our brand positions where there's leading and following. But there's not a big dynamic that's impacting our business there.

Robert Labick

Analyst

Okay. Great. That's very helpful. And then just one more, and I'll turn it back in queue. In terms of the HPC numbers. Obviously, you gave us the combined [Indiscernible] numbers and we know the calendar 21 margins for HPC were impacted by inflation. What do you see as -- just kind of remind us there's been a lot of change? What is a normalized margin for the core -- of the core Spectrum HPC segment before the Tristar going forward just to try to think about what -- once margins do normalize the earnings power of the new entity?

David Maura

Analyst

Listen, we used to run this business 10% margins. I think the industry should operate at 10% or better. Our legacy business, I think we got our margins a size 12, maybe 14% when everything was going in the right direction. We're under some pressure right now, but I don't see any reason why we can't return to a 10% EBITDA margin. Jeremy, Randy, if you want to give more color on that.

Jeremy Smeltser

Analyst

Yeah, I agree. If you go back for the significant part of inflation starting to hit us -- hitting us last year, Bob, I think we had an LTM quarter. We posted that we were $125 million of EBITDA on an LTM basis and that, to David's point, was getting us in the low double-digits. Obviously, inflation's hitting us. So, you're seeing a couple of quarters that get down into the low to mid-single-digits. But with the actions we have in place, even for this year, I think we can get into the higher single-digits and we'll see what happens with inflation and demand next year. But all in through the cycle, ups and downs, I feel like it's a low double-digit, 10%, to David's point, kind of margin business with the current product mix.

Robert Labick

Analyst

Okay, that's super. That sounds great. Thank you very much. I'll get back in queue.

David Maura

Analyst

Thank you.

Jeremy Smeltser

Analyst

Thanks, Bob.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Chris Carey of Wells Fargo Securities. Your line is open.

Christopher Carey

Analyst

Hey, good morning.

David Maura

Analyst

Morning sir, how are you.

Christopher Carey

Analyst

Am not too bad. Happy it's Friday. Can we can talk about like leverage? There is a lot of cash potentially in but a bit delayed because your overview. Obviously for the Appliance and deal there's going to be additional leverage. It's a little tough to see just with HHI and disc ops and not in continuing cash. Maybe just say HHI doesn't closed for another 6 months. And I don't know if it will be on that, but how does this all come together with your balance sheet on like, how do you view the proforma exposure, if you will, over the next 3 to 6 months as some of these things are unfolding.

David Maura

Analyst

Yeah. Look, you're hitting on the correct points. At the current time, leverage is going higher, because we're buying back stock. And we're in an environment where the supply chain has been elongated much longer than I would like. And it's consumed a lot of working capital on the balance sheet. I am putting my foot down on that, and we're going to take a lot of action to cure that going forward. I think a lot of companies in the CPG space have been solely focused on fill rate, fill rate, fill rate because the supply chain has been so bad. But we also need to pay attention to balance sheets and get those healthier too. And so that will be a theme over the next couple of quarters. I think the other thing you need to take into consideration as you're modeling is obviously the EBITDA drop, which we anticipated for Q1 and then much less severe in Q2. Our earnings on an LTM basis should start to recover between Q2 and Q3 and then quite frankly, we have a pretty large uptick once pricing is in place and we've covered every -- all the inflation. We have a very -- we're very confident in it, but we have a very strong second half, and it happens to be, as we've said earlier in the call, the exact inverse pattern of what happened in the fiscal period a year ago. And so, you've got two things going on. You've got the debt ticking up a little bit, you've got the earnings under pressure because of the inflation. Look, I personally think we hit that inflection point somewhere around June. And then I think life gets a lot better. To your question, look, I think it's -- I think HHI closes. I have a very high degree of certainty around that. But to your point, if it didn't close, look, it's a great business, it generates a lot of free cash. They would have to pay us a $350 million termination fee. That's almost a turn of leverage on the RemainCo. And I believe we will be able to navigate our leverage through earnings uplift and debt paydown to about 3.5 times to exit the year.

Christopher Carey

Analyst

That's incredibly helpful. If you'll entertain me, there's a lot of confidence in the deal closing. Certainly, this organization is not -- is no stranger to closing deals and spaces with highly consolidated market share. Can you just maybe give some sense of where in the regulatory review, set regulators maybe looking? Is it market shares at retail? Is it market shares of specific channels like commercial [Indiscernible] is it technology, mechanical verse electro -mechanical on the lock sets? That's just what is your sense of why the deal besides the fact that a lot of deals go through second review, might be seeing another regulatory look. And then if I could just connect to that then I'll stop. Is the leakage on the deal from the gross to net is pretty big, given the NOLs that you have? Can you maybe just expand on that if you have any additional perspective on why that gap is so big? Thanks so much.

David Maura

Analyst

So first, I'm really happy to entertain you on anything, but to answer all your questions around regulatory, I will not indulge you. In terms of the GAAP, I'll pass that to Jeremy. I would just tell you, look, we are working diligently with ASSA. We're working very well with the regulators and we have a high confidence that this deal closes. ASSA is an amazing partner. This is not a financial trade for them. This is a strategic move on their part. It fills in a lot of gaps for them and we're going to get this done with our partners at ASSA ABLOY, Jeremy you want to take the gross to net.

Jeremy Smeltser

Analyst

Sure. Yeah. I just add, this timeline is normal course in my eyes from a deal of this size. And so, there's really not been any surprises on our front. On the gross to net, you just have to remind everybody that we paid $1.4 billion for the business 10 years ago. So just on that purchase price, you've got a $3 billion gain you've got to deal with. So, if you did that math pretty quickly, you can get to the leakage when you add in overall fees. So that's the challenge there, Chris. But fortunately, we do have those NOLs to shield some of that huge increase in value that we have achieved over the last decade.

Christopher Carey

Analyst

Well, thanks for all that. And I thought I'd try anyways. So, I'll get back then. Thanks.

David Maura

Analyst

Hey, happy Friday. Good try, good try.

Jeremy Smeltser

Analyst

Thanks, Chris.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Up next, we have Steve Powers of Deutche Bank. Your line is open.

Steve Powers

Analyst

Hey and good morning. Thanks. Hey, Jeremy. Apologies if I missed this but can you just confirm that the reiterated guidance for fiscal '22 remains solely focused on the RemainCo business as it exists today and doesn't contemplate contribution from Tristar?

Jeremy Smeltser

Analyst

Yeah. That's right, Steve. We -- there's still a little bit of uncertainty in the timing of closing Tristar. I believe we said within the next 90 days or so, so it wouldn't be appropriate to put anything in there. But as time progresses and we have certainty of closing date, we'll add more as the year goes on.

Steve Powers

Analyst

Perfect. But -- so then in terms of all the steps you're taking to allow you to maintain that current guidance on the RemainCo despite the inflation, the supply chain pressure, you talked through pricing a bit earlier. But I guess I'm curious just for a better sense of the balance between incremental pricing over the remainder of the year versus incremental productivity, because it seems like given the timeline and getting price to market, you have to be leaning on both levers. And I think you spoke to that a little bit in the prepared remarks, so just you need a balance there and to the extent that there is material productivity to also build in the back half is that -- can we think about that as a structural productivity that we can extrapolate the 23 and beyond, or is that just fiscal 22 belt tightening to get next, through the year and then we reset the base next year?

David Maura

Analyst

Randy will take that one. Thank you.

Randy Lewis

Analyst

Good question, Steve, and I would tell you that most of the adjustment is coming through pricing actions. And team has been working on that nonstop for a long time so it is the material portion of it. With regards to the additional productivity, again, maybe half-and-half there. So, some structural productivity related to continuing down the work streams that we developed through our Galileo initiatives. But also doing some stuff that's temporary, it's appropriate in response to given where we are on the supply chain of product availability, etc.

Steve Powers

Analyst

Okay. That's helpful. And Randy, maybe while I have you talking, just as you think through what you're putting in place to improve supply chain status, improve service levels, any sense for how you stack up on those fronts relative to competition and whether you see the initiatives that you're putting in place to improve product availability, does that -- is that just going to help you stay neck-neck with competition or do you think you got some advantages to the extent that this could be an opportunity to actually gain some share, gain some distribution if you can outpace competition.

Randy Lewis

Analyst

Yes, great question. We're working with a number of external experts and advisors to help us keep a track on that. And so, as we operate various businesses in various regions around the world, I would tell you that we find ourselves -- I believe we find ourselves in pretty good position relative to the averages in most situations, but there are some variations up and down. But the -- as the supply tightens the economics of global supplier becoming more efficient. And so, there's less opportunity to leverage for outliers within the current market. I think the real move here is on what you're going to be doing to your manufacturing supply chain base to address resiliency and flexibility going forward. Because the certainty that exists today is that this isn't the last disruption, we're going to see in the next five years. There will be something else that happens. And the question is, how are we setting up our networks to be able to respond and handle that as of yet next unforeseen challenge. I don't think it's something that I would say we feel is a huge advantage for us but definitely doesn't feel to be a negative versus our competition.

Steve Powers

Analyst

Okay. Very good. Thanks to you all. Appreciate it.

Randy Lewis

Analyst

Thanks, Steve. And Chris, I think we have time for one more question before we hit the top of the hour.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Next, we have Ian Zaffino of Oppenheimer, your line is open.

Ian Zaffino

Analyst

Hi, great. Guys, thank you. Good stuff today. I wanted to ask you David, maybe longer-term and I know you obviously have a lot of stuff going on right now with HHI and now [Indiscernible]. But if we kind of think past that, how do you think about the portfolio going forward? Are we going to be a two vertical company that continues to get larger and larger in each vertical? Do you think it'll maybe even go back to a third vertical? How are you thinking about that? And any other type of color you could give us as far as the longer-term strategy? Thanks.

David Maura

Analyst

Yeah, man look, I got to get there first. So, a lot of lifting to do here the next nine months or so. But look, we love the Pet space. We believe that we've got a phenomenal portfolio brand. We believe we have a very good team that knows how to bring fast innovation to space. We believe we are building the portfolio more and more to consumables. And as an investor, I happen to really like 5%, 10% type growth categories that we believe we can outpace. And then I really like consistency of recurring cash flows, and I believe these assets in today's market are 15 times EBITDA assets. And it's my job to create shareholder wealth. That's why I come into work every day. So, Home & Garden is very similar, 20% plus EBITDA margin business. We just became the number one pest-control brand at retail with Spectracide. We've invested very heavily in R&D. We've built out a very, very good team that has a lot of innovation still on the pipeline going to get 3PAO. But we think we're going to bring a lot of innovation in 2023. And so, if you can envision where we're trying to take the company, you're going to end up with a basically debt-free pet home and garden business with phenomenal growth rate, with really good margin structure, excellent free cash flow conversion, in industries that are very fragmented. And when you can do tokens where you are buying down multiples because your synergies both on the cost and revenue side are terrific, you can create a lot of shareholder equity value. And so that's where we're steering the boat. Similarly, I don't mean to drive the call out, but Tristar is really game changer to appliances. Being able to…

Ian Zaffino

Analyst

Yeah, thank you for the answer. Have a great day.

Jeremy Smeltser

Analyst

Thanks, Ian. Thanks everybody for joining us. We really appreciate it and thanks Chris for hosting us. I know we still have a few people in the queue. Apologies, we didn't get to you before we had to end the call, but please reach out to me directly or Julian, or Faisal and we're happy to get something on the schedule with you. Thanks. Happy Friday. Hope you all have a are great weekend.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. Thank you all for participating. You may now disconnect. Have a pleasant day and enjoy your weekend.