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SunPower Inc. (SPWR)

Q3 2016 Earnings Call· Wed, Nov 9, 2016

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Operator

Operator

Good afternoon and welcome to SunPower Corporation's Third Quarter 2016 Results Conference Call. Today's call is being recorded. If you have any objections, please disconnect at this time. I would like to turn the call over to Mr. Bob Okunski, Senior Director of Investor Relations, SunPower Corporation. Thank you, sir. You may begin.

Robert Okunski - SunPower Corp.

Management

Thank you, Yunez. I'd like to welcome everyone to our third quarter 2016 earnings conference call. On the call today, we will start off with an operational review from Tom Werner, our CEO; followed by Chuck Boynton, our CFO, who will review our third quarter 2016 financial results. Tom will then discuss our updated outlook for Q4 and 2016. As a reminder, a replay of this call will be available later today on the Investor Relations page of our website. During today's call, we will make forward-looking statements that are subject to various risks and uncertainties that are described in the Safe Harbor slide of today's presentation, today's earnings press release, our 2015 10-K, and on our Quarterly Reports on Form 10-Q. Please see those documents for additional information regarding those factors that may affect these forward-looking statements. To enhance this call, we have also posted a set of PowerPoint slides, which we will reference during the call on the Events & Presentations page of our Investor Relations website. In the same location, we have also posted a supplemental datasheet detailing some of our historical metrics as well. With that, I'd like to turn the call over to Tom Werner, CEO of SunPower, who will begin on slide 4. Tom?

Tom H. Werner - SunPower Corp.

Management

Thanks, Bob, and thank you for joining us today. I'll start by reviewing SunPower's solid third quarter results, provide an update on the market environment and lay out what we believe to be the key strategic drivers for the company. Given difficult market conditions, earlier today, we announced the comprehensive cost reduction program designed to lower both our manufacturing and operational cost structures and deleverage our balance sheet, while maintaining ongoing investment in our industry-leading technology and product solutions. In my remarks today, I will outline these cost programs as well as update you on our partnership with Total, including details on a few current strategic initiatives. First, let me cover our strong Q3 performance. In power plants, we achieved a number of significant development milestones and benefited from the sale of our minority interest in the Henrietta project 8point3. On the product front, we launched our next-generation Oasis power plant solution that significantly lowers cost while improving overall system performance. Our DG businesses also performed well for the quarter, as a result of continued customer demand for our SunPower Equinox and Helix complete solutions. We once more expanded our public sector footprint and added a number of new commercial customers. On the operations side, our team delivered excellent performance in our ITC fabs and our cost roadmaps remain on plan. For P-Series, the volume ramp remains on track and costs are ahead of plan. We continue to see positive feedback from our customers regarding the competitiveness of this new product line. I would now like to discuss current market conditions and highlight the key drivers for SunPower's long-term success. Please turn to slide 5. As mentioned last quarter, we believe that long-term growth prospects remain very compelling with solar power widely expected to become the largest contributor to incremental…

Charles D. Boynton - SunPower Corp.

Management

Thanks, Tom, and good afternoon. I'll first review our third quarter results, then provide additional color on some of our key Q3 financial highlights before turning the call back to Tom for our updated 2016 guidance. Please turn to slide 11. Q3 was a good quarter for the company, as we delivered solid results. We generated approximately $148 million in EBITDA for the quarter with megawatts recognized up 67% sequentially. In addition, we continue to execute on our construction commitments, during the quarter, as we expect to deliver more than 350 megawatts of power plant projects in Q4. Specifically on the P&L, our non-GAAP revenue was in line with our plan as the softness in residential was more than offset by strength in both our commercial and power plant segments. As you know, our power plant business is dependent on project timing and our Q3 performance benefited from the sale of our minority stake in the 102-megawatt Henrietta project 8point3. In our commercial segment, non-GAAP revenue rose 30% due to strong execution as well as the early completion of certain projects. As Tom mentioned, we continue to see strong customer interest in our Helix product. We expect our fourth quarter commercial segment to be impacted by timing of revenue recognition as certain booked projects are pushed into 2017. In the aggregate, 70% of our 2017 projected commercial projects have already been awarded. Our global residential business performed well with Europe and Japan ahead of plan. Our non-GAAP gross margin for the quarter was 20% and ahead of plan. Power plant margins improved significantly as we sold our Henrietta project. We expect power plant margins to decline in Q4 due to timing and the overall power plant market. Commercial margins were in line with our forecasts, though down sequentially due to…

Tom H. Werner - SunPower Corp.

Management

Thanks, Chuck. I would now like to discuss some of the highlights of our guidance for the fourth quarter, and update our fiscal year 2016 forecast. Please turn to slide 15. As Chuck covered in his remarks, there are four primary factors that we expect will impact our financial performance in Q4. First, we have reduced our solar cell and panel production to match demand by idling additional production lines. This will result in higher underutilization charges than previously contemplated. Second, we are experiencing lower than anticipated growth in the U.S. residential market, which is our highest margin segment. This will pressure our overall Q4 gross margin. Third, we have made the decision to shift lease sales to cash, and loan in some states where the lease economics do not meet our return threshold. As Chuck mentioned, while the shift to cash and loan sales helps cash flow, we lose the benefit of incremental NCI, which lowers EBITDA. Finally, in commercial, we will be affected by nonlinearity of project completion and push outs of some projects into Q1 2017. In total, we expect these factors to impact Q4 EBITDA by more than $80 million. On a GAAP basis, the company now expects 2016 revenue of $2.43 billion to $2.63 billion, gross margin of 8% to 10% and a net loss of $320 million to $295 million. Fiscal year 2016 GAAP guidance includes the impact of the company's HoldCo asset strategy and revenue and timing deferrals due to real estate accounting. The company's updated 2016 non-GAAP financial guidance is as follows: revenue of $2.6 billion to $2.8 billion, gross margin of 9% to a 11%, EBITDA of $185 million to $210 million, capital expenditures of $220 million to $240 million, and gigawatts deployed in the range of 1.325 gigawatts to 1.355 gigawatts. The company's fourth quarter fiscal 2016 GAAP guidance is as follows. Revenue of $900 million to $1.1 billion, gross margin of 0% to 2% and net loss of $125 million to $100 million. Fourth quarter 2016 GAAP guidance includes the impact of the company's HoldCo asset strategy and revenue and timing deferrals due to real estate accounting. On a non-GAAP basis, the company expects revenue of $1 billion to $1.2 billion, gross margin of 1% to 3%, EBITDA of $0 million to $25 million, and megawatts deployed in the range of 235 megawatts to 265 megawatts. With that, I would like to turn the call over for questions. In addition to Chuck, we also have Howard Wenger, President of Business Units; and Bob Okunski, our Vice President of Investor Relations. Questions please?

Operator

Operator

Thank you. At this time, we are now ready to begin the question-and-answer session. Our first question comes from Tyler Frank. And please say your company name. Tyler Charles Frank - Robert W. Baird & Co., Inc. (Private Wealth Management): Baird. Thanks for taking the question. Can you provide some commentary on how this oversupply environment compares to the last environment a few years ago? Are you currently seeing people dumping panels in the market or what you believe to be lower than their costs to produce the panels? And then, can you also provide additional color on the potential partnership with Total there? Is there a room for other expanding the model supply agreement above 200 megawatt potentially over time? And how do you expect to move forward with potential projects in international markets? Thank you.

Tom H. Werner - SunPower Corp.

Management

Thanks, Tyler. Tom Werner here. First on panels. Yes, I have a 14-year perspective. We're going on 14 years. And, actually with Howard, we've been through few of these downturns and what we found though is they don't last this long as one would think when you're in the middle of it. So, we'll see. This downturn is faster though than what we previously experienced, as we said in our call – our prepared remarks, 25% price reduction within the quarter, we have not seen that previously. Yes, we see our competitors selling price is below even what we believe to be cash costs and we spend a fair amount of time modeling cash costs for all of our competition. We're not doing that, and in fact, I have chosen on a go-forward basis to size our capacity to profitable demand, and change basically the breakeven point of the company. So, we take into different, decisively different approach and I think an aggressive and proactive approach for 2017. In terms of partnering with Total, actions speaks louder than words and there is real action here. The agreement for up to 200 megawatts panel with a $90 million upfront payment is clearly Total showing that not only they're supporting SunPower or working with SunPower, but also that they're committed to solar energy by using on their facilities. And in terms of is there a upside? I would say that tentatively, I'd be cautious on that. I don't think in the near-term there will be a lot of gas stations and sites that will be converted to solar and we need to digest that together. They do have a lot of land positions though that could be upside and certainly upside in terms of co-development or developing together. And then last part of your question of where might we develop or can we accelerate development? The answer is decidedly yes, the CEO of Total, Patrick Pouyanné has talked about his ambitions and his footprint which is complementary to the SunPower footprint. And so, as we alluded to in my remarks, we are at the early stages of working together on at least France, Japan, and South Africa that I would use the word at least, I think there is more to come there, but we'll let time tell on that as well. Thank you for the questions. Tyler Charles Frank - Robert W. Baird & Co., Inc. (Private Wealth Management): Thanks, Tom.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Brian Lee. Please state your company name. Brian Lee - Goldman Sachs & Co.: Hey guys, thanks for taking the questions. I had a couple, maybe just start off on DG, a lot of original 2017 EBITDA guidance I think seems to rely on the growth and margins in that segment both commercial and residential. So, curious if that's the biggest delta here and you guys stepping away from providing the guidance for 2017. And then, related to that, just how are you thinking about regulation change in Arizona for your residential solar business? How much exposure do you have there? And then I have a follow-up.

Tom H. Werner - SunPower Corp.

Management

Okay, I'll comment on EBITDA and then turn to Howard for any further comment on DG EBITDA, and Arizona. So, what we're choosing to do, Brian, is size to a reasonable or realistic revenue level that we can make money at in 2017. So, we'll be less aggressive, and that's across the board, that would be DG and power plants. So, yes, that impacted the amount of EBITDA we expect. Now, we haven't re-guided 2017. We'll talk about that on our call on December 7. So, certainly expect more color on that but it is, as you know, the industry analysts forecast have 2017 as at best in-line year and probably less demand year. So, we're going into it realistically, and of course, as I mentioned in the previous call, sizing our breakeven point lower consistent with that. Howard, do you want to add anything and then Arizona.

Howard Wenger - SunPower Corp.

Analyst

Sure. I will say that when you look at the residential and commercial business in the U.S. combined, we had a strong megawatt deployment quarter, 15% increase quarter-on-quarter for the company there. And the business remains solid, particularly U.S. and we're expanding our volume in Europe as well, good quarters by the international team in DG. As for Arizona, it's not a material part of our DG business. We don't do a lot of commercial there much at all and it's a small fraction of our residential business there. So I think what's more impactful there is just the precedent of policy there and the changes that are potentially being proposed there. It's not 100% yet because there are new commissioners that are being elected even as we speak. So, for us, what we are seeing in our core states, our core DG states, the policy at the state level is very solid. I'm talking about California, New Jersey, New York, Massachusetts. These are in really good shape. So, we don't think Arizona is going to be material. Brian Lee - Goldman Sachs & Co.: Okay. That's great color. May be, if I could just squeeze in a follow-up. Can you guys comment a bit on the loan mix growing across the industry for residential solar. I know you guys have been there a lot ahead of your peers. But a lot of them are getting aggressive here. How do you think that changes the competitive landscape for you and may be, if you can also comment on how your offering is priced competitively versus some of the more key rates (30:54) that we are seeing out there (30:56) Thank you.

Tom H. Werner - SunPower Corp.

Management

Okay, Brian. Thanks for the question, Tom again. And then, Howard will talk on pricing. What we've done is allow customer choice, and we've always had a high cash loan to lease mix because people want to own SunPower systems, because they believe and they are getting the world's best solar that it will last longer and produce more energy per rated kilowatt or peak kilowatt. So, when our sales team or our dealer sales team is selling to the customer, the customer, if they have – if they can qualify for a loan or cash, have a preference generally for SunPower system for ownership. And so that – you're right, that's been the history. And what we found this year is there has been general market shift we think because of the idea of owning the solar system has become more mainstream and the risk that the people would attribute to owning the solar system has decreased over time. Howard, can you take the pricing?

Howard Wenger - SunPower Corp.

Analyst

Yeah. So, our pricing has been steady in the U.S. DG business both residential and commercial. In fact, it has gone up a little bit effectively on that revenue per watt basis because we are moving increasingly to complete solutions. So, with our Equinox for residential, Helix for commercial, we're offering the full solution and therefore more value and more revenue and that's generating actually more revenue per watt. But in terms of pricing to the end consumer, it's steady for us. We do see – and we plan for some reduction as we head into 2017, but it's in the low single-digit percentage, but it's holding. Brian Lee - Goldman Sachs & Co.: Okay. Thanks, guys.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Vishal Shah. Please state your company name.

Vishal Shah - Deutsche Bank

Analyst

Deutsche Bank. Thank you. Tom, can you comment on the three different product competitiveness in the current pricing environment. I mean, are you able to generate positive gross margins for your E-Series, X-Series and P-Series products at the current pricing environment? And then can you also maybe talk about how you see the perceived risk to ITC given the recent elections in the U.S.?

Tom H. Werner - SunPower Corp.

Management

Yes. So, thank you, Vishal for the question. On P, E and X, let me give you color X, the answer is not equivocally yes. It's the world's highest efficiency we had a chart in our deck. The capacity that we make seems about right, and since it's the world's best, it's the highest efficiency, it also has another number of other attributes in terms of lower degradation and longer life that that commands a premium and it can compete. P-Series uses mainstream front contact cells and we are benefiting from the reduction in the oversupply. And so that product's value proposition is proving to be true, which is you get more efficiency for the same or roughly equivalent price. So the P-Series is working great, and it's also doing really well in manufacturing. That leaves us with E-Series, and we've been asked as previously, can you have three product lines. And I think, what we we're concluding is yes, we can, but not at the scale that we have. So, we'll be right sizing our E-Series capacity. It still is the second highest efficiency module on the market, so it's still an outstanding product but that would be in an area where we're likely to right size our capacity, and of course, we'll give the specifics on that on December 7. In terms of the ITC, and the risk associated with that, let me a do a little homework with my team here and circle back to that later in the call. I would though comment generally about the election and say that still there is incredible customer poll for solar. 88% of Trump supporters according to the Pew Research support solar. The cost of solar has come down dramatically, it's dropped. So, I think, we have a common goal here the growth in the economy in America, and so I think there's common ground that solar will do well and so that probably will influence ITC, but let me do a little homework during the call, and then, I'll comment on that later.

Vishal Shah - Deutsche Bank

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Krish Sankar, and please state your company name.

Krish Sankar - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Analyst

Yeah. Hi. It is Bank of America Merrill Lynch. I had a couple of them, first one Tom on the 2016 guidance cut roughly $100 million less in EBITDA and about 200 or so megawatts less, is it all primarily coming from the residential side?

Charles D. Boynton - SunPower Corp.

Management

Krish, this is Chuck. The part of the megawatt reduction is actually a shift out into 2017. And there is a reduction based on the overall market reduction for the DG side. But I will say the primary reduction is the shift out. And in terms of our overall EBITDA, it's a combination of shifting from lease to cash sales and then some underutilization charges for the fabs as we reduce inventories to improve cash flow?

Krish Sankar - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Analyst

Got it. Got it. And the lease to cash sales, that momentum has been going on for a while and I'm going kind of curious, because three months ago you guys were – dialed back the power plant business but still seemed very optimistic on resi. Today, three months later, like you're definitely down ticking on the resi too. Kind of curious if anything changed in the last three months for your specific business or is the trend being going on for a while and then also the follow-up after that?

Tom H. Werner - SunPower Corp.

Management

Yeah. I think if you do the math, as we hear other people announce, what we're seeing is a slowing in the growth of the U.S. resi market. And you will actually see that our performance was pretty good in terms of our share and the growth that we had in Q3 or at least the performance that we had in Q3. When we add our DG residential and commercial business, it would be fair to say commercial business outperformed and the residential business did fine, but as well as we planned and that's general market slowing of growth. Now you can get into a lot of specifics of what's driving that. Broadly I'd say there has been some state activity that took Nevada offline, there has been a utility in California that's come offline in terms of their region. There has been a conversion from NEM 1.0 to NEM 2.0 that has caused the timing of the market. But we believe that fundamentals are still there that U.S. residential market will still be quite strong and will be growing. So, yes, you're right though, three months ago we thought we would do more megawatts than we did. I would also note that when you look at Q4, which you can easily conclude what it is from our annual guidance, Q4 returns to pretty substantial growth.

Krish Sankar - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Analyst

Got it. Got it. That's helpful, Tom. And then another question I had on the P-Series modules. When you look at it relatively to the Chinese incumbent modules, can you quantify how much the ASP for P-Series is above the incumbent Chinese today and how much would you say the cost is relative to the incumbent?

Tom H. Werner - SunPower Corp.

Management

Okay. Of course it's a point in time because the pricing environment changed 25% in the quarter, we see that stabilizing. And what I would say is as we do command premium with P-Series, so we get a little higher pricing and I would say that, call it, 10% plus or minus. And in terms of costs, we're ramping the product. So, if we took the costs today, it's still a little bit higher, but we hit a meaningful production in the first half of 2017. And we think we crossed to at least cost equilibrium, and that's of course based on what we're forecasting. Since I have – answering that question, I'm going to comment future on the ITC. I think you all know this, but if the ITC were to be modified, it would have to go through Congress, and there is – we can all sort of forecast likelihood of that. We very involved and believe there's bipartisan support for solar, therefore, we would be optimistic or I'd say cautiously optimistic and as I mentioned earlier, because the customer pull the price is solar, if the way pricing has happened and the jobs we create, I think we have facts on our side, but we'll see how things play out.

Krish Sankar - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Analyst

Thanks, Tom, very helpful. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Colin Rusch. Please state your company name. Colin Rusch - Oppenheimer & Co., Inc. (Broker): Yeah. As you look at, what the potential risks are with FERC and new FERC appointees, have you guys taken a real hard assessment of what might happen with net metering? As we go forward, it seems to me that given what we've seen in terms of potential appointees, there's potential real flight that's going to come up on that metering?

Howard Wenger - SunPower Corp.

Analyst

This is Howard, I'll take that, Colin. Well, the FERC, their job, their jurisdiction is really on the transmission system and net metering plays out at the more local level, at the distribution level which is dictated at the state and even within the state level depending on if it's regulated utility or not. So, we don't think for DG that, at least historically the purview of FERC has not reached that far down, but I think it's a valid question and we don't expect that to happen. And as Tom referenced I mean, solar is the way to energy independence which is something that that both sides of the isle have historically wanted and we're going to continue. So, if anything, there is going to be a – potentially even tailwinds for that, push for that. We do want to mention that Pat Wood, who serves on our board, is a former Chairman of the FERC and he has been with the company as the board member for many years. And so, we benefit from his experience and guidance in this area. Colin Rusch - Oppenheimer & Co., Inc. (Broker): Okay. And then just a follow-up on a couple of products. Just looking at C7 and C12, the JVs in China, can you just give us a quick update there as well as what you are seeing in terms of demand for AC modules at this point?

Tom H. Werner - SunPower Corp.

Management

So, yes. In China, we've also introduced our tracking systems, we have a mix of C7 and the tracking system. And in the last year or so, that mix has favored towards the tracking system. As we look forward, our JV partners are working with us to reduce the cost of our concentrated product or the product that we've made together. And as those costs come down, then their plan is to increase the mix of our C7 product, we'll have to see how that goes but that will be part of our joint venture in China.

Howard Wenger - SunPower Corp.

Analyst

And on AC modules, this is Howard, real success story. We sell that through our Equinox complete solution for residential in the U.S. and we went from 0% at the beginning of this year and we're now about 65% in our attach rate. So, it's going really well. Thanks for the questions. Colin Rusch - Oppenheimer & Co., Inc. (Broker): Thanks guys.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Julien Dumoulin-Smith. Kindly state your company name.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith - UBS Securities LLC

Analyst · Julien Dumoulin-Smith. Kindly state your company name

Yeah, hi. Thank you. UBS. So, first on the policy side. Can you comment specifically with respect to the ITC around fair market value definitions of IRS? And secondly, any considerations around continuous construction? And then on the business side, if you can comment quickly in terms of cash flow metrics relative to EBITDA. Why does a shift towards cash flow necessarily reduce EBITDA and how should we be thinking about the transition going into next year, I know that's getting ahead of 2017 a little bit. But just can you give us at least a sense for what the new approach on the DG business, specifically resi means for EBITDA?

Tom H. Werner - SunPower Corp.

Management

Okay. So, Chuck will take the question of the impact of lease percentage going down and cash going up, impact on EBITDA and then I'll take the second part – the first part.

Charles D. Boynton - SunPower Corp.

Management

So, Julien, when we book a lease transaction, much of the cash flow comes over 20 years. The tax credit comes through the NCI line as the real benefit when we receive the cash on the ITC. And so, if we consciously shift to lease or cash then effectively we have better cash flow, but lower EBITDA. And so, doing so is the conscious move on our part to improve cash flow. And so that's a transition that you'll see happening this quarter and all through 2017.

Tom H. Werner - SunPower Corp.

Management

I'll comment briefly on FMV. I don't have color on commenced constructions, so we'll take that as on work assignment and then on FMV, I'll just say a couple of things and maybe Chuck will want to say something. We don't see anything changing in terms of the dynamic with Treasury. Although I will say that we're seeing some of it over the years, there've been lawsuits with Treasury and I think some of those, at least one of those is being dispositioned, and I think that affects the thinking here a little bit. FMV has become, as PPA pricing goes down in America, FMV dynamic changes a little bit in terms of tax equity financing on – and so like that, we can leave at that and say that we're preferentially not doing business in the near-term that it doesn't make sense economically.

Charles D. Boynton - SunPower Corp.

Management

Yeah. I'd just say, Julien, on the fair market value, we have a robust cash business as well. So, we have a really good proxy for what fair market values are. And so, whether it's a lease, loan or a cash, we have really good data on our side. And we believe that we've got a really strong track record here. And so, we see that as a real strength of our solution in our business model.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith - UBS Securities LLC

Analyst · Julien Dumoulin-Smith. Kindly state your company name

But Chuck just to ...

Tom H. Werner - SunPower Corp.

Management

Yeah. Let's do a follow-up and one more question but go ahead with the follow-up, Julien.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith - UBS Securities LLC

Analyst · Julien Dumoulin-Smith. Kindly state your company name

Yeah. Chuck, just to quantify a little bit more about the NCI line item, et cetera. Just the margin that you would see cash versus the lease approach?

Charles D. Boynton - SunPower Corp.

Management

Sure. The margin profile is probably not radically different. They're both in, I'd call, the mid 20% margins, the difference being though, you get a real benefit on the tax equity through NCI, whereas on the lease you get the margin paid over 20 years. And so, whereas if you sell a cash system, you don't get the tax benefits, the consumers gets those, but we get a really nice cash margin and it generates a really strong cash flow profile for us.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith - UBS Securities LLC

Analyst · Julien Dumoulin-Smith. Kindly state your company name

Thanks, guys.

Tom H. Werner - SunPower Corp.

Management

Okay. Last question please.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Next question is from the line of Pavel Molchanov. Please state your company name. Pavel S. Molchanov - Raymond James & Associates, Inc.: Raymond James. I hate to do another election one. But one of the trends we've seen is that utilities have been deploying or contracting systems in anticipation of the clean power plant being implemented. Given that that's going to be off the table in the next administration, do you think that risks potential slowdown of utility scale solar bookings in the U.S. market?

Tom H. Werner - SunPower Corp.

Management

See. I think the answer, short answer is yes, and the question is how much, and what I would say is potentially not that much, because utilities and we interface with utilities a lot, are very impressed with A) the risk premiums of solar, which is no longer premium. So the risk is very minimal. So they're very happy with the performance of the systems they deployed and of course, they are very aware of the cost. And if you look at the cost of solar, it's hitting point where it's competitive with almost any other energy choice. And lastly, of course, you don't have fuel risk. So, there is reasons that this will be a meaningful part of utilities. I think, it may change timing, Pavel, and it's a matter of degree, but it would be fair to say some that they will have some impact. We believe that 2018 will still be a pivot year and there will still be a lot of American power plant, solar power plants being built and, of course, we're going to continue to position ourselves to do well. And what's your follow-up Pavel on... Pavel S. Molchanov - Raymond James & Associates, Inc.: That's it.

Tom H. Werner - SunPower Corp.

Management

Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you all for your time calling in. We'll look forward to talking to all of you on December 7. Thank you.