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Q2 2008 Earnings Call· Fri, Aug 1, 2008

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to the Millipore second quarter 2008 earnings call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers’ remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to turn the call over to Mr. Joshua Young. Please go ahead, sir.

Joshua Young

Analyst

Thank you very much, Stephanie. Good evening. I would like to welcome everyone to Millipore’s second quarter 2008 earnings conference call. My name is Joshua Young and I am the director of investor relations for Millipore. Joining me on today’s call are Martin Madaus, Chairman, President and CEO; and Charlie Wagner, Chief Financial Officer. In addition to the earnings release we issued earlier today, we will also be referencing a slide presentation as part of today’s call. This presentation can be viewed by clicking on the webcast link on the Millipore.com home page, or by accessing Millipore’s investor our website. A PD F copy of the slides will be posted to our website after the call. We’ll also be highlighting non-GAAP information. A reconciliation of our GAAP financial to our non-GAAP financial measures is included in our earnings release and posted on our website. Before we begin, I’ll make the usual Safe Harbor statement that during the course of this conference call we’ll forward-looking statements regarding future events or the financial performance of the company that involve risks and uncertainties. The company’s actual results may differ materially from the projections described in such statements. Factors that might cause such differences include but are not limited to those discussed in today’s earnings release and in our Form 10-K, as well as other subsequent SEC filing. Also note that the following information is related to current business conditions and our outlook as of today July 31, 2008. Consistent with our prior practice we do not intend to update our projections based on new information, future events or other reasons prior to the release of our third quarter, 2008 financial results. Now, I would like to turn the call over to Martin Madaus.

Martin D. Madaus

Analyst

Thanks, Joshua. Welcome everyone. I’ll begin my providing some high level commentary on our performance and the current market trend. The key drivers of our second quarter performance were similar to those we reported if Q1. Our Bioprocess Division reported a year-over-year revenue decline, which was in decline with our expectations. The division continues to be adversely affected by the same handful of large U.S. biotech customers that began reducing their spending last year. This performance stood in contrast to our Bioscience Division, which provided exceptional growth in the second quarter. Excluding changes in foreign currency, Millipore’s total revenue was flat in Q2, a modest improvement from the 1% decline we saw in the first quarter due to sequentially stronger performance from our Bioscience Division. During Q2, we continued with our efforts to manage expenses and drive efficiency improvements throughout the entire organization, and much like in Q1, our efforts enabled us to drive solid earnings and cash flow growth Our non-GAAP earnings per share grew 13% and our free cash flow increased year-over-year by %36 million, totaling $45 million in the quarter. Even with controls and discretionary spending and some targeted reduction, we are still making investment that will drive future revenue growth. We are committed to increasing our long term possibility and cash profile of the company even during periods of lower revenue growth. For the past three calendar years, we have significantly improved profitability of our business, increasing our non-GAAP operating margin 350 basis points. As we look ahead, we are now evaluating programs that I will be incremental to our effort of controlling discretionary spending, and Charlie will talk about these activities later in the call. So the key highlight in this quarter was the performance of our Bioscience division, which posted as I said outstanding…

Charles F. Wagner Jr.

Analyst

Thanks, Martin. I’ll now provide some additional details on Q2, 2008 financial performance, beginning with a discussion of our GAAP performance in the quarter. Revenues grew 8% over last year, with all of that growth coming from changes in foreign exchange rates. Our AAP operating margin increased to 16.8%, up from 13.4% in Q2 2007, and our earnings per share were $0.72, a $0.20 per share or 40% increase over Q2 2007. The increase in GAAP operating margins and EPS reflects improvements in gross margins, control over discretionary spending and a $7 million reduction in one-time costs. On the next slide, we show our Q2, 2008 non-GAAP operating results. I would encourage you to review the non-GAAP reconciliation table in the press release for the detail of out adjustments. Martin already provided a divisional view of our revenue dynamics, so I’ll add some color from a geographic perspective. Excluding the effects of foreign currency translation, revenues in the Americas declined 11% in the second quarter, due to the softness in U.S. biotech accounts. Europe increased 11%, and Asia Pacific revenues grew 2% in Q2, 2008; with Asia Pacific being affected by weaker performance in Japan and India. I would note, however, that the softer Q2 performance in these two countries is driven primarily by the timing of orders and year-over-year comparability and not by significant changes in the business. On a six-month basis, excluding changes in foreign currency, we reported an 11% decline in the Americas, 7% growth in Europe, and 7% growth in Asia Pacific. Our Q2 2008 non-GAAP gross margin of 56.6% increased 190 basis points on a year-year basis, due primarily to a more profitable product mix. This positive mix effect was especially evident in the Bioprocess division, where we benefited from the lower level of sales…

Joshua Young

Analyst

Stephanie, place assemble the Q&A roster. Question and Answer

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line of Joshua Groberg with Merrill Lynch.

Jonathan Groberg

Analyst

Hi. Thanks for taking my call.

Charles F. Wagner Jr.

Analyst

Hello?

Jonathan Groberg

Analyst

Can you hear me okay?

Charles F. Wagner Jr.

Analyst

Yeah, we’ve got you.

Jonathan Groberg

Analyst

Okay, right. So can you, maybe just first of all starting off on gross margins and very strong gross margins in the quarter, Charlie. Can you calk about, I noticed some of your inventories are elevated, and I am assuming some of that has to do with as you continue to manufacture for the Bioprocess out of the business and you’re not selling as much, and how...I’m assuming there’s maybe a little less utilization. So how, maybe, do we think about gross margins over the next six to 12 months for the business?

Charles F. Wagner Jr.

Analyst

Sure. I’m sure you recall Q1 our gross margins were on the low side, and Q2. I would tell you that they’re on the high side. Some of that, of course, is mix, which we talked about in the call. Some of it is also just a function of cost accounting, and as we saw, the downturn in volumes in our Bioprocess plants in the fourth quarter, some of that doesn’t actually hit the P&L until 2008. So, what I would say for gross margins is that, that kind of in between our Q1 margins and our Q2 margins is where you should be thinking for the year.

Martin D. Madaus

Analyst

But there’s also mix improvement. We clearly have deemphasized lower profitability product lines such as hardware and Bioprocess and we have actively emphasized other product lines. So there is also the mix effect from having a higher percentage of bioprocess products in ‘08. So all of these factors combined contribute to the picture.

Jonathan Groberg

Analyst

If we move beyond...I’m looking at your inventory days, I guess...but if we kind of…if we think of it as a slowdown lasts throughout the year, and maybe your continuing to manufacture but not as much, I think a lot of people are going to start looking at 2009. So I am just wondering, would you expect the slowdown in Bioprocess today to have a negative impact as to those units come out of inventory and you begin to sell them in 2009?

Charles F. Wagner Jr.

Analyst

Not necessarily, no. We are...we’re looking at resetting the expected production volumes in our plants this year, and there are some actions we can take to offset the lower volume. So I wouldn’t necessarily draw that conclusion. We’re not in a position today to give guidance on 2009, but I don’t think you should necessarily draw that conclusion. We’re clearly working very hard to reset the factories at this point, based on this outlook.

Jonathan Groberg

Analyst

Okay. And then maybe, just tying one follow-up here, again on the bioprocess. Obviously congratulations on Bioscience, which is performing very well. But on bioprocess, can you just, maybe, describe a little bit more in detail of what you had? And you probably feel like you’ve done this a lot, but what you have been expecting and kind of what…what’s different, and then can you tie that into guidance because you actually had a stronger second quarter in terms of non-GAAP earnings per share than probably than obviously the street was expecting, and yet you’re lowering the guidance for the year, even though you are ahead of where the street was.

Martin D. Madaus

Analyst

I’ll start on it, and then you can chime in, Charlie. So first of all, we had sized the downturn between four quarter’s duration and fifth quarters. So what we’re seeing is it’s going to take a little longer, that means six quarters. It started in Q3 of 2004 and we simply look at the purchasing trends and the expected forecasts from these customers, and sometimes we get very updated forecasts, and based on that, based on these few large accounts, we are adjusting it downward. Previously, before we saw this forecast, we were expecting a modest increase from these accounts. That is not the case, and so we are adjusting it downward. Nothing else has changed with these customers. They simply have still the process of working down their finished drug inventory, so running fewer production runs, and that has impact on us. In fact, when you look at the molecules that are impacted, there’s no change whatsoever in the end market. And you’ll see that these major molecules have come back to normal growth. Its just a matter of working it down.

Charles F. Wagner Jr.

Analyst

Right. And then I guess what I would add, as far as the quaterization goes, we don’t give quarterly guidance, and I know folks do their best to build quarterly models. We had guided at the beginning of the year that the second half would be more back-end loaded both for revenue and earnings. Still pretty much the case, but obviously with a… you know, we started out the year from a spending standpoint cautiously, and that has resulted in some reasonable earnings growth in the first half, and so I think that’s why you see some of the outperformance there. In terms of the downward revision, it’s primarily concentrated in the fourth quarter, a little bit in the third quarter, but it’s more… less revenue in the fourth quarter than we expected.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Tycho Peterson with .JPMorgan.

San Chi

Analyst · .JPMorgan.

Hi, this is sitting San Chi [ph] sitting in for Tycho. Thank you for taking the questions. The first question is, could you provide more, I guess, color on kind of the Milli-Q Intgral, as well as the SNAP i.d. in terms of what the market may be for those products.

Martin D. Madaus

Analyst · .JPMorgan.

The Milli-Q Integral is one of the Lab Water filtration desktop units. And I would not... I can give you ranges. It’s in the tens of millions of dollars, but I couldn’t give you an exact number, because there are many other follow-on products. There’s hardware. There’s service, and there are consumables that go into it. But we mention it because it’s one of our larger product launches. We have tens of thousands of products, so this is a very significant one, and similar to the SNAP i.d., we mentioned it because it’s a combination product of acquired products and classic Millipore products, and it’s unique in its market, and it has exceeded our expectations. So again several millions of dollars, so it’s significant to mention, but we don’t know what the potential could be. We’ve sold thousands already.

San Chi

Analyst · .JPMorgan.

And then also could you comment on kind of the outlook for MilliPROBE, can you define in terms of development, highlights for additional assays there?

Charles F. Wagner Jr.

Analyst · .JPMorgan.

I really don’t have an update on that. The key here is to get a combination of assays out in the market and right now I don’t have the most recent timeline, but it’s sometime in ‘09.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Derik De Bruin with UBS

Derik De Bruin

Analyst · UBS

Hello?

Martin D. Madaus

Analyst · UBS

Hello.

Derik De Bruin

Analyst · UBS

Hi. There you are. I guess, when you kind of look out and you just kind of look at the bio manufacturing pipeline, and I guess could you… I know you won’t give us on color about drugs that you’re… specific details about the drugs that you’re most excited about, but could you tell us if you’re expecting to see ramps in existing drugs, or we’re talking more about new products that you see as being the real drivers that are out there?

Martin D. Madaus

Analyst · UBS

It’s both, clearly. When you look at the break down of the, let’s say, five years out, growth profile of biopharmaceutical, the existing drugs will continue to grow, and they will contribute at least half of the market growth. The new products, if they hit, they will give you the other part of the growth profile and then for us specifically, we would add revenue from new products that we add or process steps that we gain. So I would say roughly active 50/50, but the existing products are still very key, and, as you know, there are a number of products that are growing very well today, very large products.

Derik De Bruin

Analyst · UBS

Right. You mentioned that you’ve recently run a series of contract where you’re doing 11 of the 13 process steps. Just basically what I want to know about some of the other manufacturing processes that are out there, that’s an unusually large number of steps for you to be in control of. Could you talk about, what is going into getting this? Is it more disposables that are coming in? I guess what’s getting you to this higher level?

Martin D. Madaus

Analyst · UBS

I would say first we have done two things over the last three years. We have upgraded our entire, what we call down stream filtration line-up. So with that goes clarification, virus filtration, chromatography media, sterile filtration. So these new products, they’re starting to get specs [ph] in now. I would maybe highlight the virus filtration product, which has gotten very good customer reviews, clearly better than anything out there in the market. So we are getting faster adoption for that reason, because it solves a major concern around problems around filtration requirements. So that’s one. So its basically strengthening the core. Number two is the acquired businesses are doing particularly, the business we acquired in ‘05 NovAseptic doing well. So that’s additional volume, and then the disposable business, which we bought in… about two and a half years ago, is also contributing to the growth. So it’s really adoption of new products, and then additional revenue from acquired businesses.

Derik De Bruin

Analyst · UBS

Okay. When you look at the Bioscience growth in the quarter, 9% organic, that’s certainly trending above where it has. Is it fair to say that probably a point or so of that is contributions from left over from the Easter holiday? And I guess what’s your… I mean, do you think you can sustain the high single-digit type of organic growth in the Bioscience business? Yes, that’s definitely what we’re aiming at with Bioscience business.

Martin D. Madaus

Analyst · UBS

That’s what exactly what we are aiming at with Bioscience. I think if we continue to target the markets right and we get new products out, I think that’s doable.

Derik De Bruin

Analyst · UBS

And have you heard any feedback from the field about, given that one of your competitors is going to be in the middle of a rather big acquisition, have you heard any chatter, or have you seen any increase in resumes, heard anything of potential disruption to the customers there?

Martin D. Madaus

Analyst · UBS

Well, I don’t deal with that directly, so it’s hard for me to comment on it, but I would say that it’s a bold move. I think it’s definitely something everyone pays attention to and tries to figure out what it means for them.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Ross Muken with Deutsche Bank Securities.

Ross Muken

Analyst · Deutsche Bank Securities.

Hi, good afternoon.

Martin D. Madaus

Analyst · Deutsche Bank Securities.

Good afternoon, Ross.

Ross Muken

Analyst · Deutsche Bank Securities.

So I just want to get a better sense for the moving parts in terms of the lower bioprocess guidance. If you had to break it up amongst the big players in terms of inventory reductions, slower script sale, lack of new products, lack of contribution from smaller accounts, what have you, whatever was the key underlying drivers. How would you assign percentages to that in terms of what really, in terms of the Delta, has changed, understanding, clearly, last quarter you didn’t have the visibility to this that you do now?

Martin D. Madaus

Analyst · Deutsche Bank Securities.

It’s a continuation of what we said before. It’s the handful of large U.S. biotech accounts, lack of continued demand, and, again, given that we have the highest market share in biotech overall, and particularly in these accounts, you can see it very much concentrated on those accounts. And you can see it also in the North American numbers. Nothing else has changed. That’s why I said that the trends from Q1, they basically have continued in Q2, and they’ll continue in Q3 and Q4. Fairly isolated, and you can see it mainly it impacts, mainly the big volume products which are for us in down stream processing.

Ross Muken

Analyst · Deutsche Bank Securities.

Yeah, I was just looking to get…I mean I understand in terms of similar trends, but I don’t think we’ve ever actually understood...because the thing that I look at is you listen to the biotech calls of all the big players,, and they talk about continuing efforts to take down inventory in-house, and I’m just trying to understand that versus what we see in terms of your numbers.

Martin D. Madaus

Analyst · Deutsche Bank Securities.

Yeah.

Ross Muken

Analyst · Deutsche Bank Securities.

Because it seems like they are focused on that is heightened today versus, say, six months ago.

Martin D. Madaus

Analyst · Deutsche Bank Securities.

Yeah, that is true, but, over time, we’ve never had a situation like this where a handful of customers that were very large were driving down inventories so hard, so I think the level of inventory varies greatly by customer.

Ross Muken

Analyst · Deutsche Bank Securities.

Okay. And in terms of the supply chain initiative, is that more of a sort of restructuring based on these new lowered expectations? Is this something you were driving to six months ago, and now you’re finally starting to show some leg on it? Help me understand how that fits into the whole spectrum in terms of what you’re doing from a cost perspective.

Charles F. Wagner Jr.

Analyst · Deutsche Bank Securities.

Yeah, Ross, I think you should think of it more as a continuation. Our current manufacturing consolidation strategy and the other supply chain initiatives alongside of it, we started a couple of years back. We’ve made great progress with that, and though aspects of that original initiative are winding down. So I think I probably even mentioned on the last call that we had started to think about ways to...ways to go further. I think with the down turn in Bioprocess and lower volumes in parts of the business, really just taking the opportunity to accelerate some of that thinking and see if there’s anything else that we can do. So I would think of it mostly as a continuation or extension of similar programs that we’ve done in the past.

Ross Muken

Analyst · Deutsche Bank Securities.

And lastly, in terms of uses of cash, obviously the cash flow has ticked up nicely here. You’ve talked a little bit more about maybe utilizing it for some M&A, maybe small M&A. Is that playing a bigger piece in your external efforts, or is the number one goal still currently to pay down debt?

Martin D. Madaus

Analyst · Deutsche Bank Securities.

The number one goal is still to pay down debt, but we are working, also, actively at smaller acquisitions. So it has to...both has to fit, so for this year, certainly, number one is cash flow generation and paying down debt.

Ross Muken

Analyst · Deutsche Bank Securities.

Okay. Great. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Dan Leonard with First Analysis.

Dan Leonard

Analyst · First Analysis.

Good afternoon.

Charles F. Wagner Jr.

Analyst · First Analysis.

Hi, Dan.

Dan Leonard

Analyst · First Analysis.

Hi there, Charlie, a question for you. The raw material headwind obviously didn’t show up in the quarter due to your purchasing initiatives, your long term contracts and the fact you report on FIFO. But could you help me better understand what impact higher raw material costs can have on your medium term margin picture?

Charles F. Wagner Jr.

Analyst · First Analysis.

I can’t, because I can’t tell you ultimately where raw material prices are going to end up, but what I can tell you is that our procurement organization has been very successful at achieving cost reductions in a significant amount to offset what we’ve seen so far. And you can expect that that will continue. I would also say some of the savings that we’re seeing is tied to our sustainability initiative, as well. The company has been very, very focused over the last year on finding ways to be more efficient, use less energy, and Martin probably has some of the statistics at his finger tips, but we have really reduced our energy consumption in some areas in a very meaningful way. And so while the unit costs of fuel and energy might be up, our overall consumption in some areas is down, and we think we are effectively managing the impact of those price changes.

Dan Leonard

Analyst · First Analysis.

Would it be safe to conclude that at current...I mean without asking you to forecast raw material cost, the costs you see at their current levels, all of your initiatives would be enough to offset that additional burden down the line?

Charles F. Wagner Jr.

Analyst · First Analysis.

Yeah, it’s...it’s a bit of a leap to say, because we cannot predict, really, how commodity prices go up, but from the current trends, we’re pretty confident that we have offset everything, maybe more than offset. So we’ll continue...I think there is a lot of opportunity to drive efficiencies, reduce energy consumption. So, yeah, unless something crazy happens with the oil price, which is always possible, I think we are in pretty good shape.

Dan Leonard

Analyst · First Analysis.

Okay. And Martin, my second question is for you. How does the proposed M&A activity in the biotech space impact your medium term outlook for the company, more specifically for the Bioprocess process business, if at all?

Martin D. Madaus

Analyst · First Analysis.

It’s...we have seen acquisitions over last years. We have seen be MedImmune being bought by AstraZeneca, we’ve seen consolidation. I think this will continue as large pharma, which are…today our customers, obviously, buy biotech companies. So what you’ll see is you see more globalized purchasing which we already have today. So you’re dealing with global purchasing functions in some of these companies. They will try to look at overall contracting. They will look at reducing the number of suppliers, which we, being a strategic supplier, should be good, and they will try to put some pressure on price. But none of this is new. They will probably maybe do it a little bit more consistently. I hope we get better visibility on inventory, as they implement really worldwide ERP systems. And so we’ll be always a partner with these companies. So I think that the impact will be modest, and in some areas we might see a little bit more price pressure. In other areas, we get more long-term contracts. So I don’t think it’s a big deal.

Dan Leonard

Analyst · First Analysis.

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. Your next question comes from the line of Isaac Ro with Leerink Swann.

Joshua Young

Analyst · Leerink Swann.

Hello?

Isaac Ro

Analyst · Leerink Swann.

Can you hear me?

Martin D. Madaus

Analyst · Leerink Swann.

Yeah.

Joshua Young

Analyst · Leerink Swann.

Yeah.

Isaac Ro

Analyst · Leerink Swann.

Okay. Sorry about that, just another big picture question regarding, the broader marketplace for biotech. There’s been a lot of volatility in the last few weeks regarding some late stage, monoclonals or ones that were potential blockbusters either for the better or for the worse. And I am wondering, how do you guys handicap your forecast when you look aft the Bioprocess process business for those large potential blockbusters, and how has that process changed versus maybe three years a go.

Martin D. Madaus

Analyst · Leerink Swann.

I guess given the experience of the last few quarters, we will take a little more cautious approach as far as new molecules go, because the adoption and the timing of it is uncertain, and we’ve seen years, where we have positive surprises, and recently we have seen more negative surprises. So I think our forecasting will be based much more on the base proved volume of biotech drugs, and our new product revenue. Because these things we can control better. And then we handicap the timing of new product launches and the probability. Therefore on the other hand, there were some good news in this quarter on a number of large biotech drugs. So if that moves forward and materializes, then I think once they are launched, we put them into our forecast.

Isaac Ro

Analyst · Leerink Swann.

Would you care to comment on what you sort of think you’re… if you total up sort of the various steps of each monoclonal drug process, filtering process, if you total up the total opportunity, what do you think your share is of new drugs to that are coming out to market in late stage, and maybe has that increased or stayed the same in the last couple of years?

Martin D. Madaus

Analyst · Leerink Swann.

It’s hard to say. There’s no good market data, but probably half of them, maybe 40 to 50%, and it’s about the same.

Isaac Ro

Analyst · Leerink Swann.

And then just lastly, as you look at sort of the smaller and mid-capsized biotechs that you work with, do you find that your Bioprocess business has been improved there given that you have another couple of point with the old deal through logic of that acquisition, have you found that your share in those smaller accounts has improved?

Martin D. Madaus

Analyst · Leerink Swann.

It is improving. We see more business there, although it’s small volume, but we have made an effort to actually target these smaller accounts more. So we see some small numbers still, but we see more activity. The way we measure it, we measure it in the number of trials we’re getting in these accounts, and the number of adoption of our products. Not material yet, but there’s a whole market that is potentially very promising.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Eric Fitzgerald [ph] with Thomas Weisel

Eric Fitzgerald -Thomas Weisel

Analyst

Hi, good afternoon. Filling in for Peter Lawson today. Just on the drug discovery business, I was wondering if you could comment where you are seeing the strongest strength? Is it in the early stage work, or is it mainly in the preclinical trial setting, maybe if you could just provide a little color on that?

Martin D. Madaus

Analyst

Its actually in both. It depends a little bit on the target drug target class, but it’s in both areas. The service business is more in the preclinical area, and all the way up to the clinical work. So it’s basically an assay that we would develop, then, once it’s developed and moves into clinical, we follow the development of the drug with all assays. And then in the earlier stage, you have basically product lines that we launched recently, such as GPCR, so our kinase business GPCR, and the Ion Channel business, and that is going also pretty well. I would say that the most important aspect of the drug discovery business today is these multiplexing assays that we sell.

Eric Fitzgerald -Thomas Weisel

Analyst

Okay. Great. And I guess similarly, in the Lifescience business, any particular or specific areas of strength? Is it… whether it be, cytology, or Photocytometry [ph], anything in particular that’s really driving that growth?

Martin D. Madaus

Analyst

I called out the overall… in the life science business unit. No, it’s good… again, good success in the area of what we call protein research, with our western blotting devices and sample prep, and improving performance also with our antibody business, and then I think it’s more across the board, and, again, it’s is a combination of a few new products that really make a difference, and then really better marketing sales and Internet execution.

Eric Fitzgerald -Thomas Weisel

Analyst

And just one, lastly, on your tax rate. The Q2 tax rate, is that something we can expect going forward, or is it going to be slightly lower in the second half of the year?

Charles F. Wagner Jr.

Analyst

The full year rate we expect to be around 27%.

Eric Fitzgerald -Thomas Weisel

Analyst

Okay. Great. Thank you very much.

Charles F. Wagner Jr.

Analyst

Yes.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of John Groberg with Merrill Lynch.

Jonathan Groberg

Analyst · Merrill Lynch.

Hi, thanks for taking the follow-up. Just three fairly quick ones. Again, on the Bioprocessing, I think Martin a lot of people are trying to get comforted as to what may or may not happen with that business. And can you… one of the things people hear a lot about is some of these large western biotechs that you’ve talked about discussing how they’ve increased their yield by 50%. And so could you maybe discuss how that impacts your business with them?

Charles F. Wagner Jr.

Analyst · Merrill Lynch.

Yeah. That has some impact, and it’s mixed. It has, in some areas, and I discussed it with many times with many of you. So it has, for example, depending on where you are in the process, it has an impact on the media filtration step, for example. So if you have higher yields and a more concentrated production process, you need less media, so that media filtration volume go’s down. On the other hand, you need more high capacity filtration devices, so you need more sophisticated filters, because the requirements have changed, and that’s why our new products are being adopted. So, yes, higher efficiency, higher yields will overall, I’d say for all suppliers, reduce slightly the demand, but it will increase the demand for new devices. So I think…

Jonathan Groberg

Analyst · Merrill Lynch.

I know you talked about the more specifics tests, I guess just on a net basis, does it hurt you, or is it neutral to someone like you, depending on, the wins that you to get, I guess, but overall is it a positive?

Charles F. Wagner Jr.

Analyst · Merrill Lynch.

It is very really hard to say, because I think it’s neutral to slightly negative.

Jonathan Groberg

Analyst · Merrill Lynch.

And then just to clarify what you were discussing before, around some of the new drugs, that there’s been some good news, and so without saying that you necessarily are in a drug like BMAb, whether there’s some good news coming out of that. If you were, just as a hypothetic, would it be fair to say, because they have to be approved, that is not in your forecast for Bioprocess?

Charles F. Wagner Jr.

Analyst · Merrill Lynch.

Definitely not

Jonathan Groberg

Analyst · Merrill Lynch.

…for ‘08?

Charles F. Wagner Jr.

Analyst · Merrill Lynch.

No, we’re not counting on any new drugs this year. Anything that gets approved this year and we would potentially see any additional orders that’s not in our forecast. It takes… usually takes longer to get drugs approved in our experience, so we’re not betting on regulatory agencies here to meet the timeline. If it happens, great. If we get the order, and it’s material, we’ll talk about it, but as you can imagine, I’m a bit more cautious, I’m only counting on what we can see and what we have, and we’ve seen going up and down, and I’ll be glad to have this conference call when it goes up again, because that will be very fun.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Chris Arndt with Select Equity Group.

Christopher Arndt

Analyst · Select Equity Group.

Hi, Martin. I wanted to just clarify something you said earlier on the Bioprocess side, which was, I think you mentioned for the second half of the year, you expected still year-over-year declines in Bioprocess, but a much smaller decline. Was that right, or were you talking about just the U.S. business, specifically, not the overall?

Martin D. Madaus

Analyst · Select Equity Group.

I was just talking about these few key accounts. Overall, you will see that Bioprocess as we predicted today will have bottomed out in Q2. So overall we actually see a slight recovery in Q3 and Q4. But not enough to really offset the decline we saw in Q1 and Q2, so net-net will be more or less flat.

Christopher Arndt

Analyst · Select Equity Group.

Okay. And then it sounded like you have greater conviction that in 2009 the Bioprocess division will resume growth. Is that right? And aside from the easier compares, is there anything else that supports that logic, or that claim?

Martin D. Madaus

Analyst · Select Equity Group.

Yes, that’s a very good question, and I’ll tell you that’s the key question, and... but when you follow these large accounts, which we’ve known since their existence, since they produced commercial drugs, and you look at the changes they made, and you look at their demand forecast, and you plot it out, you will see that at one point, their inventories will be so low that they will need to resume production to a level. So that’s why we say even in ‘09, if these large accounts are not doing much and just going sideways, and we see the growth from the other accounts, we will absolutely be in growth territory.

Christopher Arndt

Analyst · Select Equity Group.

Okay. So you feel like that’s relative to six months or nine months ago, you actually have a better handle on that analysis, where they are, and where the end markets are going, and that it will need to resume in ‘09?

Martin D. Madaus

Analyst · Select Equity Group.

Yes, I would say yes.

Christopher Arndt

Analyst · Select Equity Group.

Okay. And lastly…

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Tycho Peterson.

Martin D. Madaus

Analyst

He got cut off.

Tycho Peterson

Analyst

Hey, guys, my question has actually been answered. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Paul Lee [ph] with Brown Advisory.

Martin D. Madaus

Analyst

Hello. Paul, you there?

Paul Lee

Analyst

Sorry. I was mute. Anyway, I have a question regarding the SG&A line. In Q2, there’s a bump up of SG&A, and can you tell me what’s behind that, and for the rest of the year, what should we model for that line of expense?

Charles F. Wagner Jr.

Analyst

The bump up you refer to is relative to what, the first quarter?

Paul Lee

Analyst

Relative to the revenue growth, relative to first quarter year-over-year growth. First quarter SG&A grew like 5% year-over-year. This quarter is 12.2% year-over-year, and I’m just wondering what is behind the growth? And also, you look at margin, 29.2 versus 28.3 percentage of revenue.

Charles F. Wagner Jr.

Analyst

Right, yeah. If...what I would say is if you...we talked about the fact that FAS-123 would step up this year. Let me step back. If you look…if you think about Q1 to Q2 sequentially, part of the impact is that for all of our employees in Q2 we have the full impact of salary increases that doesn’t show up in the first quarter. So there’s always a sequential step-up in Q2.

Paul Lee

Analyst

Okay.

Charles F. Wagner Jr.

Analyst

But I would year-over-year…and that doesn’t explain the year-over-year. But I would say year-over-year, the two biggest drivers are, there is an increase in FAS-123 in 2008 over 2007. We talked about that, and most of that is in SG&A and there were also some employee separation costs that we talked about in Q2 of this year. So if you were to...if you were to take those out, in fact the SG&A percent of sales would be at or slightly below last year’s percentage.

Paul Lee

Analyst

Okay. Regarding the tax rate, 27% guidance for 2007, does that take into account the potential renewal of R&D tax credit?

Charles F. Wagner Jr.

Analyst

It does not count on that at this point.

Paul Lee

Analyst

Okay. And the guidance for 2008, now the total revenue is 6 to 7 versus earlier 8 to 9, because in the first half, I think you achieved about 7%, so...so should we look for a deceleration in the second half? Is that...are you...are we looking at a deceleration in both units, or just the Bioprocess?

Charles F. Wagner Jr.

Analyst

The outlook…the lower outlook is exclusively related to Bioprocess. The other thing to consider is that the impact from currency, year-over-year, is less than the second half than it is in the first half.

Paul Lee

Analyst

Okay. All right. Thank you very much.

Charles F. Wagner Jr.

Analyst

Okay.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Derik De Bruin with UBS.

Derik De Bruin

Analyst · UBS.

Hi. Actually my question was answered. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

At this time, we have reached the allotted time for questions. I would now like to turn the call over to Martin Madaus for closing remarks.

Martin D. Madaus

Analyst

Good. Thank you for joining us this evening. I hope you were able to take away from tonight’s call that we are effectively managing the downturn of our Bioprocess business by putting ourselves in a position to improve our profitability and cash flow. We believe that our Bioscience business will continue to perform very well, and that our Bioprocess will start to generate solid growth in 2009. So we hope to see many of you at several investor events in the third quarter, including the UBS Bus Tour, Thomas Weisel Conference and the UBS Life Science Conference. Thank you, and good night.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today’s conference call. You may now disconnect.