Doug Ingram
Analyst · H.C. Wainwright. Your line is now open.
Yes, thank you very much for that, Debjit. Look what I can say broadly about this is that, first of all, 12 weeks is a very early period of timing we're looking for dystrophin. So I wouldn't commit in advance that we will even be looking for dystrophin at the 12 weeks, what we will be looking at is Exon skipping and what you will find within and of course through reminds us I'm sure everyone knows this, but the Exon skipping is the very activity that results in the truncated form of the RNA that in turn creates the protein that is the slightly truncated but otherwise fully functional dystrophin that we're trying to achieve, and what we know, at least in animals, we know two things, we know number one, there is an obvious direct correlation between amount of Exon skipping as you would well imagine and amount of dystrophin production. So looking at Exon skipping is a perfect, a brilliant marker for what kind of dystrophin we might find over time. I'll give you an example with respect to Golodirsen, we had made some fairly bold statements about what we probably would see with Golodirsen versus Eteplirsen and that was all because of what we had seen early days and the relative Exon skipping that came from Golodirsen versus Eteplirsen. So I think Exon skipping is a great marker, and what we're going to be looking for, of course, that would get us excited is the relative amount of Exon skipping you might see from PMO at 12-weeks, versus the amount of Exon skipping that we will see with the PPMO at the doses that we're talking about right now. We don't have it yet. We'll see it in the second-half, and we'll all come together, and we'll have data on tissue exposure and Exon skipping and safety and the like and dosing levels, but I can at least tell you that in animal models, we were we would have been getting excited at doses significantly below the doses that were now dosing through. And I think at the inception of the single-ascending dose, and then the multi-ascending dose study, when we started this, our animal models or mouse modeling and then our non-human primate models got us to a point that where we would be very happy with six mgs but we get increasingly happy up to about 12 mgs per kg, which is what we envisioned would be the ceiling and how high we can get and certainly with respect to this peptide conjugated PMO, more is better with respect to dosing if we can get the higher dose safely, and the fact that we're at 20 mgs per kg right now, it makes us very, very pleased, I will say. And while it hasn't affected as a delay in the program as we have to continue dosing, I don't think it's a delay that any rational person is going to complain about.