Douglas S. Ingram
Management
Well, a couple of thoughts. First, on the answer of dialogue with the agency, we're not in a position to have that dialogue yet. We haven't even submitted the protocol yet and that will happen. Again, as I said, this week, I can't provide you with any clear timelines right now for a number of reasons. One, we're just submitting the protocol to the agency to get their blessing. We'll have to have some dialogue there. And number two, we'll have to think about the pace of enrollment and the like. What we're looking for in all of this is to look for signals of reductions in elevated liver enzymes and other biomarkers. We obviously can't look for this ALF because that is an unbelievably rare signal that would take years and years. But if you can significantly reduce even liver stress and liver injury through things like liver enzymes, bilirubin and the like, one would obviously pause it, you've done a significant -- you've reduced that risk very, very significantly. What it will look like is something will -- and the timing of all that, we'll talk about later, but you should remember that if you see elevated liver enzymes, you tend to see it fairly rapidly. This is an event that occurs really in the first 4, 6 maybe as long as 7 or 8 weeks, and that's it. So this should be a very efficient approach. And finally, while we haven't had discussions with the agency, there is no logical basis using any form of critical thinking to ENVISION that you would need functional data because this isn't about functional data. This is dealing with a very specific issue, which is with respect to older patients and we're using nonambulatory is kind of the marker for that. We have seen a very rare, but very unfortunate situation where we've seen out of more than 150 patients. We've seen 2 very serious acute liver failures, and the goal here is to reduce that risk. We have preclinical data that would strongly suggest that the prophylactic use of sirolimus in connection with the infusion of an AAV-mediated gene therapy. And in the case of our data, it was, of course, rh74 would very significantly reduce that risk. And so we're going to pause as painful as that is for patients. We're going to take a look at that, and we're going to get comfortable that this, in fact, significantly reduces that risk. And assuming that it does, we're going to -- with the blessing of the FDA begin to ship ELEVIDYS for the treatment of nonambulatory patients.