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Sono Group N.V. (SSM)

Q3 2022 Earnings Call· Thu, Dec 8, 2022

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Operator

Operator

Good day and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Q3 2022 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions]. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I'd now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Kirill Bagachenko. Please go ahead.

Kirill Bagachenko

Analyst

Thank you, Heidi. Dear, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to our conference call. A press release including financial information for the third quarter of 2022 was released this morning. It is available on our website and on EDGAR platform. A full interim report will be published later this week. On today's call, we have our CEO, Laurin Hahn; our Chief Operating Officer, Thomas Hausch; and our Chief Financial Officer, Torsten Kiedel. Laurin and Thomas will first provide an update on our operations. Torsten will then review our Q3 financials. And Laurin will conclude today's presentation with some important news. After that, we will be happy to take your questions. Before we continue, please be reminded that today's presentation will contain forward-looking statements made under the Safe Harbor provisions of the U.S.s Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward-looking statements involve inherent risks and uncertainties. As such, the company's actual results may be materially different from the views expressed today. The information regarding the risks and uncertainties is included in the recent filings of the company with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. The company doesn't assume any obligation to update any forward-looking statements except as required under applicable law. With that, I will now hand the call over to our CEO. Laurin, please go ahead.

Laurin Hahn

Analyst

Hi there. And thanks, Kirill. Warm welcome to everyone on this call. As you know, we are working very hard every single day to deliver on our mission, solar on every vehicle. And I want to start today with this beautiful picture here. The Sion in front of the Golden Gate Bridge, while being successfully shown in our U.S. tour recently. As you all know, there are so many challenging things out there happening right now in the world. Inflation, recession, energy crisis, Russian-Ukraine war, the COVID-19 pandemic and a very challenging capital market. And in these difficult times, people become more cost sensitive and look for affordable, yet still innovative solutions for their everyday life. And the Sion is exactly one of these technical solution. Approximately €25,000, very affordable, solar charging, very convenient and reduces utility bills, bidirectional charging, a home storage on wheels. Our SEVs is the perfect answer for so many people and so many problems we have in the world right now. And I was thrilled to see how the Sion resonated in the U.S. with the people we met, including press and media, potential strategic partners and other interested individuals who attended our event. Same as in Europe, people are looking for an affordable, sustainable and yet innovative car. And that's not for just another luxury EV, which the majority just can't afford. That said, let's talk about the recent milestone we have achieved. One year has passed since we went public in November 2021. And we keep on delivering on our ambitious plans. Within the last 12 months, we achieved 30% growth and are now looking at 21,000 B2C Sion reservation holders. We achieved 44% growth on the B2B side of the Sion preorders. This sums up to an incredible amount of approximately 43,000…

Thomas Hausch

Analyst

Thank you, Laurin. And thank you for showing us the Sion in front of the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco. Here you can actually see the Sion in Brooklyn, where we calculated an average yearly free range from solar powered vehicle of nearly 5,000 miles or 8,000 kilometers. Overall, we're making good progress on our Sion. We are on track with testing and series validation. We have now produced and fully assembled 17 vehicles and bodies in white and plan to complete 32 of them within the next weeks. We're testing in several locations around the world including aerodynamics and wind tunnel tests in Sweden, steering and other driving dynamics tests in the Northern U.S. and consumption and efficiency testing in Spain. On the development side, overall, we're progressing as planned. We've entered a release process for series, which marks the completion of a core stage of development work. We continue to order series development tools. Key functionalities, such as discharging, charging, solar yield, drivability, infotainment, were successfully tested. And of course, the final validation is ongoing. Good news also on the series production. We have received more series tools. We've nominated more series suppliers. We continue to have detailed alignments with Valmet Automotive regarding our manufacturability and next line builder commitments for our body shop and general assembly. However, a reduced funding speed drives the delay of the SOP from the second half of 2023 into Q1 2024. Our definition of SOP continues to be handing over sellable product to customers, not just producing vehicles alone. You can see that we're preparing for series production and servicing. And that's why we are tied up now with a Europe-wide partnership with Bosch Automotive for the long term. We're working with them for servicing and repairing the Sion in Europe.…

Torsten Kiedel

Analyst

Thank you, Thomas, for the warm welcome from my side. Let me start with our year-to-date financial results. In the first nine months of this year, we significantly increased our revenues and achieved €180,000 from Sono Solar and Sono Digital compared to no revenues at all in the same timeframe in 2021. In parallel, we made substantial R&D investments with almost €90 million spent in the last nine months in comparison to €27 million year-to-date September 2021. We also started purchasing necessary machinery and tooling in preparation of the start of production and capitalized approximately €42 million as of September 30, 2022 versus €1.5 million one year ago. I'm also glad to highlight that despite the strong growth in our operations and headcount, we were able to keep SG&A costs well under control with approximately €16 million for the first nine months in comparison to €13 million in the same timeframe last year. That's nearly an increase of €3 million. Let's look at the third quarter in more detail. The revenue growth accelerated particularly in Q3, with six times higher sales compared to the previous quarter, resulting in €138,000 in revenue. Our cash and cash equivalents were at roughly €33 million on September 30 of this year. Since liquidity is essential in such a challenging market environment, let me also update you on our current and expected liquidity. It's approximately €55 million as of November 30, which consists of €25 million of cash and cash equivalents and the signed agreement for the sale and issuance of up to $30 million of convertible debenture, on which I'll provide more details on in a minute. The substantial investment, combined with the SG&A, resulted in approximately €56 million net cash outflow in Q3 of this year. Looking ahead, I'd like to share with…

Laurin Hahn

Analyst

Thanks, Torsten. I want to start with, we have an incredible €1 billion of potential backlog revenue, with over 40% with down payment. So, before we dare to decide to stop the Sion project, we want to give the approximately 21,000 reservation holders, our community, one last chance to prepay the car in full. And by doing so, partially solve our funding hurdle. These 21,000 reservations are an equivalent of approximately €460 million when converted into potential revenue, with almost €600 million worth of B2B preorders. On top of that, we have a potential order backlog of more than €1 billion. So why not asking the community to help to bridge the funding that? Well, this is exactly what we plan to do by launching a special marketing campaign. We are calling this special marketing campaign Save Sion. With it, we will give our customers community the chance to prepay the equivalent of 3,500 Sion within 50 days. To make this clear, our community is an invaluable asset. We believe no other company has such a strong community. So, the community engagement is planned like this. We launch a special marketing campaign today. We ask customers for an upfront payment of their car reservations equivalent to 3,500 Sion full price payments. This would lead to €100 million cash in, including VAT. The good news for investors out there, it's a non-dilutive way of bridging the funding gap. And here's the simple message we give to our community. 21,000 people have reserved the car. The vast majority of people plan to pay us the full down payment as soon as they expect to get the vehicle. So now, we ask them to give us some of the money 12 to 18 months earlier in order to start the production of their…

Kirill Bagachenko

Analyst

With this, we will be happy to take any questions. Heidi, could you please remind our participants all the instructions.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] We will take our first question. The first question comes from the line of Christopher Souther from B. Riley. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Christopher Souther

Analyst

Hi guys. Thanks for taking my questions. And congrats on the progress here.

Laurin Hahn

Analyst

Thank you, Christopher.

Christopher Souther

Analyst

So maybe just, you called out initial shipments to automotive customer looking at integrated solar for potentially high volume vehicles? Can you talk through the steps and timelines that you have ahead of you in order to get design wins from that customer? I just wanted to frame where we think we are in that process. And great to see that process starting to kind of kick off.

Laurin Hahn

Analyst

Sure. So usually, this goes in three main steps. The first step is a prototype in order to convince internally the management and the engineers to take a look and to test this solution. That's the first step. The second step is then series development where you have two to three years of series development until it goes into production. And that's the first step, series production.

Christopher Souther

Analyst

Got it. Okay. And as we're looking at €130 million that we need to get to pre series production, can you give us a sense of the timing of the cash out? It sounds like there's kind of a go or no go decision based on kind of the community? Can you just kind of walk through timelines that we should expect around the Sion cash needs and decisions there?

Torsten Kiedel

Analyst

First of all, it's good to see that we have access to the €70 million I mentioned, as a starting point. So that's already a big step towards the funding need. And the additional capital, this is why we're kicking it off today. The sooner we have transparency, the sooner we can kick off purchase orders for some of the bigger machineries and toolings that we need to kick off as soon as possible. So the timing Laurin talked about is a 50-day campaign, and hope to see along, over the next couple of weeks, how we're progressing there. And then, as soon as we have more transparency on the potential success of the campaign to kick off the required or necessary purchase order for the machineries.

Christopher Souther

Analyst

Okay. Got it. And just last one, are there any strategic opportunities as we're kind of entering kind of a new year as far as other OEMs out there that are looking for credits? Would it still be too early for you guys to start pre selling emission credits, that kind of thing? Are there other opportunities with kind of existing OEMs as far as strategic opportunities to help with the financing there?

Thomas Hausch

Analyst

You know better than us, we're a publicly traded company, so we only give you the information that we can give out. Fact is, however, we continue to – are in discussions on the items you just mentioned with not only one passenger car OEM alone. So we continue on the business that we have started two years ago at CES at the end of -- at the beginning of 2021 to continue to talk about other opportunities, including the credits you just mentioned. Of course, as you know, they're effective in Europe only when you register the first cars. So, the priority for us is now to make sure that we are successful in the campaign we just presented to you.

Christopher Souther

Analyst

Okay. Makes sense. Appreciate the time here. Thanks guys. I'll hop in the queue.

Laurin Hahn

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We will take our next question. And the question comes from the line of Eric Stine from Craig-Hallum. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Eric Stine

Analyst

Hi everyone. Thanks for taking the questions.

Laurin Hahn

Analyst

Hi Eric.

Eric Stine

Analyst

So just to kind of stick on the point from the previous question. So, on the 50-day campaign, it sounds like optimism on that front. Can you just talk about – in the scenario where you have to pause that affects the decision that you make, does that impact anything with Valmet? Does that -- I mean, is it something you're able to – I don't want to say easy, but you're able to stop and then start again if you're in a position to do so? Or how does that just kind of impact the relationships and the work you've done to date?

Laurin Hahn

Analyst

Yes. Thank you. That's an awesome question. So as we inform the public, of course, we also inform our suppliers. And of course, as I mentioned earlier, with the funding that became more complicated, as Torsten described it over the last couple of months, we have made the decision that we presented today to move our SOP from the second half of 2023 into the first quarter of 2024. So we did, of course, this in concert with suppliers. And we do not expect any dramatic impact from delaying our SOP with any supplier. Can never rule it out. But specifically with Valmet Automotive, it's a very good partner. So, no, we do not expect from that campaign in the announcement today anything but the delay we just mentioned.

Eric Stine

Analyst

Right. But if the -- let's say at the end of the 50-day campaign, you realize that maybe you need to push that a little further. Is that something that – I would assume you'll be kind of having conversations ongoing with your suppliers, so that they're aware of the situation. But is it fair to say that that wouldn't cause a great disruption and that is something that you can start up again or get back on that timeline pretty easily if you're able to do so.

Laurin Hahn

Analyst

Well, we want to act now and to try not to drag it out endlessly. So we have been successful in the past with the 50 days, raising those €53 million in payment commitments. Now we have doubled the amount of community members. We have so much more visibility in the market. We cruised to such a corporation by now, so that we are very confident that we can make it.

Eric Stine

Analyst

Okay. Got it. And then just on the good news on the PO signed with the large OEM, just curious, with financing top of mind, any thought or any interest from some of those large partners potentially in some sort of strategic investment to kind of help alleviate that. I know you're probably limited as to what you can say, but anything along those lines might be helpful.

Laurin Hahn

Analyst

Yes. Sure, of course. We have some kind of confidentiality limitations here. But of course, we would be foolish not to speak to potential OEMs or to OEMs out there about a potential strategic investment. And of course, those who receive or are currently looking into our solar technology would be the ones most likely to invest. But you also know how it works. With big OEMs or big corporates, it does take time. So for us, it's great to see there's interest in technology. We take this as a first step and we believe, once we have proven the technology works, yeah, then, consequently, conversations will continue.

Eric Stine

Analyst

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. We will take our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Andres Sheppard from Cantor Fitzgerald. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Andres Sheppard

Analyst

Hi, good afternoon, everyone. Congrats on all the milestones. And thanks for taking our questions.

Laurin Hahn

Analyst

Yes, thank you, Andres.

Andres Sheppard

Analyst

Yes, my pleasure. And so I wanted to maybe clarify a little bit on the funding strategy. So, I see you've raised -- you've mentioned your raise at €70 million. You expect to raise an additional €134 million. And so, I just want to make sure I understand this correctly. €40 million of that is expected to be a new capital raise or debt. €10 million will be from the ATM and then the rest is from the community down payments. I guess if there's any issues or delays in the community down payments, and would that change the amount that you expect to raise? -- I'm sorry. I just want to get more color on the capital funding strategies, particularly in regards to ATM and to the community down payments. Anything you can say there? Particularly given where the maybe the stock is trading, is the ATM – do you still expect to use that?

Torsten Kiedel

Analyst

First of all, let's start with the ATM. Or in the past, the committed equity facility. As you probably saw, our daily average trading stock volume increased significantly ever since we went to the U.S. in order to present our solar technology and the Sion. Prior to the U.S. tour, the weeks prior to that, we averaged around 300,000 on a single day. And now, we're looking at more than a million. I believe that latest number was 1.7 million for the last month of average daily trading volume. So significant improvement there. As I mentioned before, since we now signed the convertible debenture with Yorkville, we will limit the usage of the formerly committed equity facility, in the future ATM, in order not to put too much pressure on the stock. So, it's limited to 2%, and there's an exception for very high trading volume days where we can use it to a bigger extent. But of course, interest here is to keep dilution as low as possible. We spoke extensively about the community down payments, about the marketing campaign, and why we believe this is the right next step. It's non-dilutive. It's an incredible community we have out there. And this would reduce the overall funding amount significantly. And of course, as you can imagine, one of the feedbacks in the past was, you still need a lot of money. We know it's not a lot of money from an OEM perspective, it's not a lot of money in comparison to many of our peers. But having to raise more than €200 plus million still until start off production is quite some money. And this is why we believe achieving a successful community campaign or marketing campaign will reduce that amount significantly and that will make it easier for equity investors to realize the potential there is in our technology and in the stock as well.

Andres Sheppard

Analyst

Got it. Thank you, Torsten, that's very helpful, very detailed. Appreciate it. Maybe as a follow up, can you just remind us what the kind of the cash burn or the cash outflow expectations are maybe on a quarterly or annual basis? I think in the past, you had mentioned the operating and investment cash flow outflow of about €165 million for the second half of this year and a little bit north of €150 million in 2023. So have those numbers changed? Are they kind of expected to be the same? Thanks.

Thomas Hausch

Analyst

Yes. So what has changed is, of course, we try to adapt to market environment as much as possible. So we try to postpone some expenses. And we did the hiring freeze that Thomas talked about, and started that in November, to be as efficient as possible with the money we have received. I think this is key. We decided against layoffs. Of course, there are many tech companies right now laying off people. It comes at a price. And this is why we decided let's take the step of a hiring freeze. Looking forward, the internal burn rate is less than €5 million a month, mainly for salaries, the 400 plus employees we currently employ here in Munich, and then some other OpEx. Of course, what we need to do is continue to invest in CapEx. Majority of the use of funds, as indicated in the past, is for production machinery and toolings. We trigger the purchase orders, so we drive the - when we need to pay for those orders. And this then is connected to when do we get access to the money in order to then purchase the production machinery toolings.

Andres Sheppard

Analyst

Got it. Thanks, Thomas. And congrats again on the quarter. I'll pass it on. Thank you.

Thomas Hausch

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We will take our next question. And the question comes from the line of Austin Zocco from Freedom Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Austin Zocco

Analyst

Hi guys. Congrats on a successful third quarter. Just had a couple of questions here. So, like as you've probably seen, last month your competitor Lightyear announced that they've begun production and are planning to scale early next year. So, what is Sono's plans around staying ahead of a competitor in the space like Lightyear in the solar auto industry?

Laurin Hahn

Analyst

Hi, thank you Austin. Awesome question. First of all, believe it or not, but we love every EV that gets produced and put online. We even love it more if solar electric vehicles get out there. We don't see any competitor in the next 10 years in the market that's increasing massively. Particularly, shoutout to Lightyear. If I'm not mistaken, the car is about 10 times our price. It's a wonderful product. It's a low volume, high priced product. And with that kind of production, you actually do a lot of work by hand. So you have a lot of high variable cost. While we have the first affordable solar electric vehicle, and that's why we're upfront investing into tools and machinery that makes this car sell at €25,000 or roughly $25,000 net. So that is the main difference. And we hope to see many more solar electric vehicles coming out in the future.

Austin Zocco

Analyst

Great. Thanks for answering that. And I just had one more around on the marketing campaign that you guys are running. So are you a little concerned about like upsetting your customer base if you don't hit the delivery milestones like you publicly announced of starting at Q1 of 2024? Are you concerned that maybe some of the people that paid down early are going to be upset if you guys have to push back products, I mean on delivery.

Thomas Hausch

Analyst

So, we're trying to be very transparent with our community, publishing biweekly – every second week, a sprint report on our website. We're publishing even on our website, the exact time plan to production. And, yes, another delay is, of course, not a great news to our customers. But we are trying to be that very transparent OEM who delivers also the reason for it, the rationale behind it and we think our community can deal with it.

Austin Zocco

Analyst

All right. That was great. That's all my questions. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

There seems to be no further questions at this time. Please continue.

Kirill Bagachenko

Analyst

Thank you, Heidi. Thank you all for joining our conference call. If you need more information, please take a look at our website or reach out directly to our IR team. Have a great day and hope to be talking to you soon. Bye-bye.

Laurin Hahn

Analyst

Thank you, all.

Thomas Hausch

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.