Yes. It's certainly -- the more complex, the more risk they have, which helps us, right? Our certainty is a critical thing. On pricing, again, we get a slight premium and maybe we should get more of a premium, but our goal isn't to take advantage of the situation. It's really to be fair on pricing, loyal to our customers that are loyal to us and make it up on the productivity side. And as these projects get bigger, we will continue to make margins on the productivity side. And strategically, we feel like that enables us to limit people wanting to enter the market and take the risk. It limits the customers wanting to take the risk because our prices upfront are egregious and puts the onus on us to do what we do best and that's execute, integrate new technologies and drive ways that improve our profitability. And it's -- let's talk a little bit about CEC and about some of the upfront stuff, it was really interesting. We just had our management meeting, our quarterly management meeting last week, and we were having our Plateau team explained to our other businesses how valuable the small acquisition we made on dry utilities has been and how fast it's growing and where CEC will come into play. And to put it in perspective, on a data center, we talk about time being critical. And we talk about how we believe we could take out months of time. Interestingly enough, we're working on data centers now that we pulled our dry utility business into that we actually have all the dry utilities in, dug, put in concrete poured, finished before the electrician is even selected for the project. You think about that. Think of how much time that can pick up and think of how much productivity that could pick up. As I said, I think on the last call, we're seeing 40% improvement on profitability in that business because of the productivity we can drive and do things simultaneously. Now what's exciting in that meeting, we started talking about some other opportunities for us is our Building Solutions business is down. We have traveling crews from our commercial side that can do concrete work. We're starting to look at using those crews in infrastructure to do that concrete work of those duct banks. The margins on it are even better than our Building Solutions margins, and it's another complement that we can add to the customer, and it takes time out of the process, right? So this is the thing that we're constantly looking at and we're constantly kind of driving. And when you focus on margins, it's amazing how your different business units can come together and come up with ideas that we wouldn't even have to drive margins higher, leverage capacity and leverage what we do.