Good afternoon. This is the Chorus Call conference operator. Welcome, and thank you for joining the Stevanato Group Third Quarter 2025 Financial Results Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Ms. Lisa Miles, Chief Communication Officer. Please go ahead, madam.

Good morning, and thank you for joining us. With me today, I have Franco Stevanato, Chief Executive Officer; and Marco Dal Lago, Chief Financial Officer. A presentation to accompany today's results is available on the Investor Relations page of our website under the Financial Results tab. As a reminder, some statements being made today are forward-looking and based on current expectations. Actual results may differ materially due to risks outlined in Item 3D, Risk Factors of our most recent annual report on Form 20-F filed with the SEC. Please review the safe harbor statement included at the beginning of today's presentation and in our press release. The company undertakes no obligation to revise or update these forward-looking statements, except as required by law. Today's presentation may include non-GAAP financial information. Management uses these measures internally to assess performance and believes they may be helpful for investors in evaluating the quality of our financial results, identifying trends in our performance, and providing meaningful period-to-period comparisons. For a reconciliation of these non-GAAP measures, please refer to the company's most recent earnings press release. And with that, I will hand the call over to Franco Stevanato.

Thank you, Lisa, and thanks for joining us. Today, we will review our third-quarter performance, share updates on our investment projects, and discuss the current market environment. We delivered another solid quarter of financial results, driven by revenue growth, a record mix of high-value solutions, and continued margin expansion. Our third-quarter financial results exceeded our expectations. We benefited from favorable timing of some product shipments in the BDS segment that were previously scheduled to occur in the fourth quarter. Relative to the same period last year, we also faced headwinds from foreign currency and certain tariff costs that were not mitigated, which tempered margins in the third quarter. These impacts were already assumed in our guidance. As a result, we remain on track to meet our 2025 guidance. This underscores the momentum we are experiencing from executing our strategic road map as we leverage and scale up our growth investment in capacity expansion to meet the increased demand for high-value products. Third quarter revenue increased by 9% year-over-year, driven by the continued strong performance of our BDS segment, which grew by 14%. This was primarily fueled by demand in our core drug containment business. As expected, revenue from Engineering segment declined as we continue implementing our business optimization plan. Our solid performance in the third quarter was underpinned by a remarkable 47% growth in high-value solutions, driven primarily by Nexa syringes and to a lesser extent, EZ-fill vials. The Nexa platform is optimized for sensitive biologics, and its high mechanical resistance makes it ideal for the seamless integration of auto-injectors. Our core pillar of our long-term strategy is built around meeting the demands of a high-growth market, such as injectable biologics, which require premium containment and delivery solutions. These are often sensitive drugs that require specialized glass or ready-to-use containers…

Thanks, Franco. Before I begin, I want to clarify that all comparisons refer to the third quarter of 2024, unless otherwise specified. Let's start on Page 9. Revenue for the third quarter of 2025 grew 9% to $303.2 million, driven by a 14% increase in the BDS segment, which offset a 19% decline in the Engineering segment. As Franco mentioned, foreign currency translation was a headwind, and on a constant currency basis, revenue grew 11%. Overall, financial results were better than expected in the third quarter, primarily due to a favorable timing of product shipments in the BDS segment, which were previously anticipated to occur in the fourth quarter. Revenue from high-value solutions grew 47% and represented 49% of total company revenue. Strong performance in the BDS segment led to a 240 basis point increase in consolidated gross profit margin, reaching 29.2% in the third quarter of 2025. This was due to a favorable mix of more accretive high-value solutions, the expected financial improvements at our Latin and Fishers facilities as we scale our multiyear investment plan. While both sites are currently margin dilutive, we expect to continue to gain operating leverage as volume and revenue growth, and the ongoing recovery in vial demand as the effects of destocking abate. These positive trends were partially offset by a lower gross profit from the Engineering segment and to a lesser extent, the impact of currency translation and certain tariff costs that were not mitigated. In the third quarter of 2025, operating profit margin increased to 17.4%. And on an adjusted basis, operating profit margin rose 220 basis points to 18.5%. This improvement was driven predominantly by an increase in gross profit. Net profit totaled $36.1 million with diluted EPS of $0.13. On an adjusted basis, net profit was $38.5 million and…

Thank you, Marco. In closing, our year-to-date performance demonstrates the strength of our long-term strategy and business fundamentals. We continue to deliver solid results, driven by growth in high-value solutions, innovation in drug containment delivery, and meaningful progress across our investment projects. While challenges remain within the Engineering segment, we've taken decisive steps to improve execution, reinforce our commercial teams, and unlock long-term value. Our commitment to supporting the evolving needs of our customers, especially in high-growth areas such as injectable biologics and [indiscernible] medicines, positions us well to meet the rising demand and deliver differentiated value. The strategic investments we have made, the innovation we have delivered, and the trust we have built with our customers are the foundation of the strong momentum as we look towards fiscal 2026. With a healthy pipeline, strong market tailwinds, and our clear strategic focus, we are confident in our ability to drive growth, enhance patient outcomes, and deliver lasting value for our customers, employees, and shareholders. Thank you again for your time and continued support. Operator, we are ready for questions. Thank you.

[Operator Instructions] First question is from Larry Solow, CJS Securities.

This is Charlie Strauser for Larry. Could you perhaps give us some more color on the $10 million outperformance in the quarter and on the top line, and then also talk a little bit more about the mix?

Yes, sure. Marco speaking. Thank you for the question. So the $10 million is an acceleration to accommodate customer supply chain needs of sales that were previously expected in Q4. So basically, based on the needs, we decided together with the customer to ship in Q3. Everything is BDS, predominantly in high-value solution, high-performance syringes.

And then high-value solutions. What drove the strong growth in the quarter? And how does the trajectory look going into next year?

I will start with saying that we see strong demand in high-performance syringes, particularly Nexa, as Franco was commenting. Also Alba has good traction, and also important to underline the fact that we can see some recovery in sterile vials following the last year destocking. We see traction in physical vials that is improving compared to the same period last year. Those are the main drivers for high-value solution growth. And this is also the main reason why we decided to update our guidance with respect of high-value products. We now expect high-value products share between 43% and 44% of company revenue.

This is -- if I can complement, Marco, we see that the trajectory is robust. Our big international clients, in particular, the bio customer, also many relative biosimilars. They have a strong demand, in particular, on EZ-fill products like Nexa syringes. We see more and more interest and traction on Alba syringes. And more and more, we see a lot of increase in demand for the cartridges ready to fill on the different format from 1 ml up to 10 ml because they are perfectly fitting for their self-administration for their auto-injector or wearable devices.

Next question is from Matt of William Blair.

On the margin improvement story here, last quarter, you referenced that Latina was positive gross profit margins, but Fishers was not yet those seeing quarter-on-quarter improvement in both. I was wondering if you could update us as to where those stood today, if Fishers had crossed over to gross profit margin positive yet.

Well, overall, we are happy about the execution of the 2 plants. We keep on improving quarter after quarter. As you remember, we started commercial production in Latina in Q4 2023. While in Fisher, we started about 3 quarters later. In Latina, we keep on improving also the financial performance beside the operational KPIs, and we are getting closer to a normalized gross profit margin compared with the segment, still dilutive. About Fisher, as mentioned, is we started commercial production 3 quarters after Latina is a bigger plant, is a greenfield. We are keeping on improving every quarter. We are not positive yet in Fishers in Q3. We are continuously improving also the financial performance, installing more line and better leveraging our fixed expenses. And we plan to go to positive gross profit margin towards the end of this year.

And then on engineering, last quarter, you called out sort of a KPI site acceptance has significantly increased. It seems like maybe a positive indicator. I think now you're saying it's going to take more time to get back to historical performance. What's the right timeline to think about a return to growth? Can that segment grow in 2026? And if not, does the recovery period look like flat revenue? Or does it look more like the down 20%-ish that you guided to in the back half of 2026 -- 2025?

Yes. If I can start from -- on the bigger picture of the engineering on the Q3 of last year, we shared with all of you that the engineering was coming from a big record high in terms of orders. This has also generated also an increase in complexity. So immediately with the leadership team, we launched a sort of what we call optimization plan, in particular, in order to resize the 2 operation plants. One is related to Italy, other one was related to Denmark because at that time, we received a lot of orders for Cal in Denmark. So today, we continue to make meaningful positive operational progress from operational point of view. We further enforced the leadership. We increased the execution on supply chain after service, in particular on project management. So this was translated in Q1, Q2, and Q3 in evidence increase of number of positive site acceptance tests that we have delivered to our customers that have outpaced the number compared to last year. Even more the positive signal that our customer, once they're starting to run the line, they see -- they give a very positive feedback to all of us today, where we are. The pipeline that we have with our clients, both on historical clients and also new clients is healthy, all the pipeline. What we see, however, that is a slow delay in the conversion into orders for mainly 2 reasons. To our big clients, key customers, they were waiting the final positive acceptance test of the line #1 before to place the order #2 and #3. Second, also, we start to see some of our customers that are taking a little bit more time to reevaluating their manufacturing footprint. So all overall, this temporary headwind of the engineering, we see that is month after month progressing even more from execution point of view, also looking the pipeline that we have with our customers is giving very positive feedback for the future. Just to underline the last comment, the industry in this moment is very dynamic. We see more and more big customers expanding capacity. We see even more -- a lot of clients all over the world upgrading their technology because the new reglementation mostly linked to our next one. And also, we see this we want to take even more benefits. So thanks to the onshoring in United States, some customers are going to add even more investment. So this is a good environment where we continue to grow in the next quarters.

Next question is from Michael Ryskin, Bank of America.

In your prepared remarks, I think you made a callout about a biosimilar opportunity or essentially winning some biosimilar business, specifically for GLP-1s. I was wondering if you can talk bigger picture about biosimilars and how you see that opportunity contributing to Stevanato's growth in the coming years. Specifically, if you could talk to what part of the portfolio benefits that? Does that tend to be high-value Nexa? Or does that tend to be more bulk products or more routine products, standard products, whether that's incremental margins or top line? And just broadly, how important are biosimilars to you today?

Yes. So usually, when biosimilars are entering into the market when the product is going out of patent, usually is a benefit for a company like Stevanato because this can help to enlarge revenue in the single therapeutic drugs. So on the strategy of Stevanato always was extremely important to be part of the originator from the very beginning. This was valid on insulin, on heparin, anesthetic, mass, and also even more on GLP-1s that our big historical insulin customer engaged us many years ago, and we are deeply engaged with all our product portfolio with our originator. But also in parallel, Stevanato is extremely active with all the -- with our tech center, both here in Italy and Boston to try to maximize the validation in all the biosimilars. In fact, today is exactly what is going to happen. We are deeply involved with all our EZ-fill high-value product platform. We have a program of Nexa syringes. We have a program on cartridges ready to fill. In fact we were just sharing that we win a big program. Even more, we have on biosimilar on JP-1, new program on pipeline for our Alina Pen. So to your question is, yes, biosimilar helping to further increase the revenue. Usually, when the product is going out of patent, 70%, it will be revenue around originator, 30% historically revenue that will move inside of the biosimilar is exactly the strategy of Stevanato to be present in everything that is injectable, originator, and biosimilars.

And then a follow-up, if I can, on the guide for the year, and you called out FX currency is a little bit more of a headwind by, I think, EUR 2 million at the midpoint. It sounds like our assumptions for engineering should be a little bit worse, and you talk about organic offsetting it. So just kind of means that BDS is coming out a little bit better. You saw the pull forward into 3Q, but am I interpreting correctly that we should expect a little bit of a better pull forward and better result in BDS 4Q as well, even despite the pull forward just to offset currency in engineering?

Very good points, Michael. We are reiterating our guidance. Nevertheless, there are some moving pieces. You mentioned a couple of million more headwinds in currency effect because Q3 was average EUR 1.17, the euro-dollar exchange rate, a little bit higher than our expectations. We are doing better in high-value products. We expect now to have high-value products as a range of overall revenue between 43% and 44%, so significantly higher than after second quarter. On the other side, we are giving priority to high-value syringes rather than accelerating the non-value syringes. And this is also moving the mix. As Franco mentioned, orders intake in Engineering is not at the speed that we were anticipating. So in our model, we took into account of the risk of softer second quarter, but we prefer to adjust our model with a couple of million less. So all overall, we see impact from currency, some slowdown in engineering, and acceleration in high-value products, bringing more margin to BTS segment.

The next question is from Paul Knight, KeyBanc.

Could you tell us what is utilization rate in Fishers and utilization rate in Latina? And with it how many years to get to full capacity, if that's possible to answer?

In Latina, we are continuing -- sorry, in Fishers, we are continuing to install high-speed line for syringes. Practically, we install the line. We do the internal validation. We do the customer validation, we start to ramp up. And this installation of the line, we will continue throughout also 2026 to '27. On the top of this, we are starting also to add capacity for Via in both bulk EZ-fill configuration and next year, we are adding capacity. We will add capacity for Alba technology. And like we already mentioned to you, we are extending a big program in our building for hosting a production of auto-injector in the next year. So in the next 1 to 3 years until end of 2028, we will continue to ramping up capacity. The goal is to be in the full potential at the end of 2028. You remember, we -- the goal was to invest $0.5 billion to translate end of 2028, $0.5 billion of revenue.

And the -- you're mentioning onshoring quite a bit. I guess what you're hearing is that because of tariffs and pricing, et cetera, your customers are evaluating where their factories may be in the future, but it seems like it's a step higher, I guess, possible demand?

Yes. We start to see starting from -- after this year was end of March of 2025, many clients that came in to raise interest to our U.S. facility with 2 type of interest, or because they were reevaluating their footprint, because maybe the region they were looking to produce in a different region of the world. And now they are thinking to put capacity in the United States, they are even more interest to boost and speed up the validation of our plants. And this is, let's say, what was already inside of our guidance. The good news is that we see more and more clients that are looking to totally change their supply chain, and this is going to become more new opportunity for Stevanato because we are already in a very advanced stage of ramping up capacity in Fisher, and they like the idea to speed up the validation of our plans in Fisher in particular for our EZ-fill product.

Next question is from Mac Etock, Stephens Inc.

Maybe just a follow-up on the order pull-through. Can you confirm if that's a single customer that's pushing forward $10 million in orders? And secondly, as you look towards 4Q, do you expect those volumes to continue from there? Or is that more of a onetime item?

No, we are not confirming that. We are not so concentrated as a customer revenue. It's a bunch of customers in the -- especially in high-value products that are accelerating some supply chain needs, but it's not a single customer.

I'm sorry, Mac, I missed the second part of your question.

I was just curious if those orders are going to repeat in 4Q, just given the pull forward.

I see. No, that's not expected. It's a pull forward from Q4 into Q3 on that batch of orders from those customers.

And then secondly, on engineering. You mentioned the United States manufacturing announcements. I'd just like to get a sense of what you're hearing within your Engineering segment and the customer conversations you have there, and when that might translate to more meaningful order growth for engineering and maybe also the BDS segment as well. Obviously, these are longer-dated opportunities, but I just want to get a sense of what you're hearing.

On Engineering segment, what we see that certain -- there are, again, very similar to the question that Paul asked to us. Certain clients, they are reevaluating their footprint. Maybe originally, we were looking to invest capacity in Europe or through certain CMO, and now they are seriously reevaluating or they have already approved to extend their capacity in the United States. And this is why also one of the reasons why we are taking a little bit more time to confirm the order and the specifications. Other customers, they are also changing their type of supply chain. Maybe they are starting to further increase the outsourcing through U.S. CMO, or to use to further increase the capacity of their existing plants. So all overall, we see a positive trend in the United States where customers are starting to more and more increase their platform for fill in United States. Automatically, once they will build the factory, there will be even more opportunity for our Fisher plants because automatically, we will have more opportunity for syringes Nexa, syringes Alba via EZ-fill devices.

Next question is from David Windley, Jefferies.

I wanted to follow up on Paul's question on capacity, put maybe a slightly different spin on it. On the HBS guidance for the year, the previous guidance for the year at, I believe you said 40% to 42% and 1Q started off pretty favorable to that. And I think at the time, the commentary was that your ability to see HBS continue to rise as a percentage from that first quarter favorable level was somewhat gated by capacity and when lines were coming on. So this quarter, obviously, you were able to pull that $10 million forward. The trends have been pretty favorable. I guess I'm coming back again to Paul's question about capacity and utilization. Are lines in place to continue to support HBS outperformance, but for the pull forward, I guess, in the near term? Or are you kind of in a position where you have to wait for additional lines to be validated before you can see HBS continue to move higher?

Today, David, the demand -- let's say, in the last years, most of our investments were just fully dedicated to build capacity in high-value product, both in Italy in the 2 plants in the United States. Today, is it true? We -- the demand is really driven by the capacity that we have put in place in all the locations. And most probably, we will continue in this way. What is important to know that there is an intense program continues to install capacity in all the format just to translate in fact. In Latina, we continue to install capacity for syringes Nexa. In Latina, we will install capacity for syringe with double chamber. We have this huge program to install several hundred million for capacity for cartridges ready-to-fill. In Fisher, it is the same. We continue to add capacity for Nexa syringes. We will add capacity for Alba, and we will adding capacity also via Ready-to-Fill. This is only for EZ-fill. On the top of this, in Germany, we are launching a new big-sized clean room that is going to host produce Alina Pen. And also, we have space to further duplicate in the future in the United States. So we are so focused to intensively execute all our investment. We will add several hundred million of additional capacity in the high-value product until 2028 in order to really meet all the program and execute the contract that we have with our customers.

Follow-up question around vials. So you had highlighted that the particular pressure on vials, I believe, if we go back to '24 was acute on your margin and kind of post the pandemic and post the decline in vaccine-related activity. You're seeing recovery in that. I'm wondering what the drivers are of recovery in vials. Is it kind of the recovery of orders from your traditional clients? Or are you seeing new products, perhaps participation in GLP-1s or something like that, that are driving an uptick in vial orders?

Yes. David, let's make a parallel. Bulk via, you have to consider like a big ocean with several hundred customers that in the last 2 years, they started to normalize their inventory. And today, since the last 4 quarters, we continue to see positive signal to go back on the normalization. And in fact, I think throughout 2026, most probably we can say that we'll be back to pre-pandemic period for Bulk via. EZ-fill via is more a niche. It's more, let's say, we have some big commercial customer, but it's where we see new molecule launching on the ready-to-fill vial. So we also have seen a positive traction with particular also increase of orders with new customers on EZ-fill via because remember, we shared that the customers were looking to clean the inventory of bulk via, and then because they have the EZ-fill flexible line for filling EZ-fill vial, they are starting to place new orders. So all overall, bulk, we are moving to a normalization. On EZ-fill, we see also a new molecule that are going to use this type of primary configuration, EZ-fill.

Next question is from Doug Schenkel, Wolfe Research.

So you had a really strong high-value solutions quarter that was partially offset by standard bulk coming in a bit light of our model. I'm just wondering, based on your commentary, it seems like this is just timing. Is that right? Or is there some other more durable shift in mix and demand that we should be contemplating as we update our models?

Besides what Franco just said about the long-term view and the adoption of the sterile configuration for the year, there are a couple of factors to be mentioned. First of all, we mentioned the acceleration in the BDS volumes previously expected in Q4. This is mainly in high-value products. So it's a pull forward from Q4 to Q3. Then in Q3, we mentioned also the fact that other containment delivery solutions are going down compared to the same period last year. And this is mainly driven by in vitro diagnostic and non-value syringes. More specifically, on syringes, we have some flexible lines. So our priority is to switch the production and the revenue to high-value syringes rather than staying in the low-value syringes. So we have this type of acceleration in Q3 with the Nexa syringes and EZ-fill vials recovery compared with the same period last year.

If I can add a little bit more in a broader picture, the goal of Stevanato in the next 5, 10 years is to become a fully solution provider to our customer, where we want really to sell the fully integrated system. This is the reason why, for example, the Planto Fisher is a campus that is going to provide multi-capability all in high-value product. Also, this is in combination with the fact that in the last year, most of our investments are fully dedicated to high-value products. So you can see some fluctuation quarter-by-quarter, but the clear goal of Stevanato in the next years is really to be laser focused on serving the full system on high-value products to our clients.

I was trying to parse out trend versus transitory. So that's great. An unrelated follow-up. There have been a number of recent headlines around large pharmaceutical companies essentially making deals with the U.S. government around drug pricing. And recently, it's been speculated that Lilly and Novo may announce a deal as soon as today. Is it logical to assume that a significant price drop and thus some elastic response in terms of market expansion via Medicare and Medicaid could be an absolute good guy for packaging suppliers? I'm just wondering, as you think about these settlements potentially leading to an increase in volume, wouldn't that, by extension, be good for Stevanato?

Yes. We saw this announcement also today, we letter today, there will be further announcement. What we can say is very similar to the question that we received before about the biosimilar. Every time that biosimilar is coming on board, this can help to further enlarge revenue for all the industry. Usually, what we say, just to put in the Stato position, with our clients, we have a long-term contract in place. The cost of primary packaging also is product or auto-injector is really minor compared to the overall cost of good of the drugs. So usually, this we see more like a net positive effect for company like Stemato because it will translate in more orders for our products.

Next question is from Patrick Donelly, Citi.

Franco, maybe to follow up on Dave's question on the vials. Can you just talk about where we are on the inventory side? I mean it feels like destocking far less of an impact. Are we fully past that? What's the latest you're hearing from customers on that front, and confidence on the go forward there?

What we see that all overall, they are starting to normalize their inventory. In fact, this will translate in more normal forecast to -- from our customers. Usually, with our customers, we work with what we call 3 to 5 years agreement. Then we have 12 months forecast, 3 months confirm order if more bulk-related, 6 months confirm order if it's more EZ-fill related. So today, all overall, we see that clients are starting to normalize. One KPI that I can share with you, if you really compare last year with this year, the revenue around vial, if you can take a blend between bulk and EZ-fill, we increased 12% compared to last year. So we see continued month after month positive signal practically everywhere. We are talking about Europe, United States, Latin America, and Asia. We have a portfolio of 700 customers, but all overall, the macro trend is moving slowly in a good normalization direction.

And then I guess looking at next year, I know you guys LRP is out there at kind of that low double-digit range. It sounds like throughout this call, it's been a lot of positives between some of the regulatory stuff, obviously, destocking behind you guys. The new facilities ramping. Any reason why next year wouldn't be in that low double-digit range? I think the Street is around 10% next year. I just wanted to take your temperature on that.

As you know, we will be providing our detailed guidance for 2026 next quarter. Nevertheless, what we can tell you is that we see today positive trends for high-value solution adoption. We see Fishers and Latina ramping up in the right way, in line with our plan. We are executing our plan in engineering. So we have a positive approach towards 2026. We need, obviously, to finalize our internal budget and objectives, but this is what we can tell you today.

The last question is from Curtis Moiles, BNP Paribas Exane.

So first, I wanted to just maybe get a little deeper into the High Value Solutions guidance for the year. On my kind of rough math, I think it implies for Q4 a range of 39% to 42% of revenue versus 45% year-to-date or so. So could you maybe just give a little more color around the assumptions you have there? And is that kind of based on customer orders or anything else to be aware of?

Yes, correct. Our guidance are implying 40% to 41% in Q4, and this is driven by the backlog we have in our hands, and by the fact that, again, we have been able to accelerate some revenue in Q3 that were previously expected in Q4. So as Franco was saying, there can be some quarterly fluctuation or acceleration depending on the mix of orders we have in that specific quarter. Nevertheless, in the medium term, both in the in the past, we saw a steady growth of the share of our high-value products, and we expect to keep on installing capacity and keep on growing in the share of high-value products.

If I can also maybe add a little bit more color from product customer, and therapeutic area point of view, we see that we are growing in biologics a lot. And inside the biologics, we see traction on Nexa syringes where clients is using some autoinjectors. We see more and more increased demand from product in Phase II and Phase III, but also commercial on Alba. This is where we are extremely excited because they have a superior performance in the result of reduction of release of visible particles, Cartridges to fill on different formats from 1 ml up to 10 ml are good because it's very easy to be insert in the complex device cartridges. Also our Alina Pen is starting to feel good pipeline, new prospect on particular on biosimilars. So what I would like to share with you that the pipeline is spread with a very nice number of clients and therapeutic drugs in all our product portfolio. We are not just localized in one product or one customer.

And then quickly on contract manufacturing. I know the press release called out strong growth in Q3. And then you mentioned Fishers should start commercial activities for contract manufacturing, I think, end of '26, early '27. So can you maybe just give some high-level thoughts about how we should think about this going forward? Is that going to become a more meaningful growth driver for the business?

So we are building in Fisher this production department dedicated for one high runner for auto-injector for one of our big customers that already buy from us the Nexa syringes. Today, our strategy, our approach on drug delivery system is our main goal is to deliver our IP product to our Alina, Aidaptus, and Vertiva products. This is why we're building this big clean room in Germany that we have already -- we have to execute the pipeline with our customer. It's also true that we have going to -- we have already contracted in a selective way that we can provide the auto-injectors or some pen to some customers that they own the AP and when we are already the supplier with our Alba syringes of cartridges to fill off syringe Nexa, practically in order to have more bigger contract, we are also serve this product in a form of CMO business model.

There are no more questions registered at this time. Thank you.

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