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Sunoco LP (SUN)

Q3 2023 Earnings Call· Wed, Nov 1, 2023

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Operator

Operator

Greetings, and welcome to Sunoco LP's Third Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator Instructions]. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to your host, Scott Grischow, Senior Vice President of Finance and Investor Relations. Thank you. You may begin.

Scott Grischow

Analyst · Citi. Please proceed with your questions

Thank you, and good morning, everyone. On the call with me this morning are Joe Kim, Sunoco LP's President and Chief Executive Officer; Karl Fails, Chief Operations Officer; Dylan Bramhall, Chief Financial Officer; and other members of the management team. Today's call will contain forward-looking statements that include expectations and assumptions regarding the partnership's future operations and financial performance. Actual results could differ materially, and the partnership undertakes no obligation to update these statements based on subsequent events. Please refer to our earnings release as well as our filings with the SEC for a list of these factors. During today's call, we will also discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures, including adjusted EBITDA and distributable cash flow as adjusted. Please refer to the Sunoco LP website for a reconciliation of each financial measure. The third quarter brought a continuation of Sunoco's strong financial performance throughout 2023. The partnership generated adjusted EBITDA of $257 million compared to $276 million a year ago. Fuel volumes for the quarter were 2.1 billion gallons, up 7% from the third quarter of last year. Fuel margin on all gallons sold was $0.13 per gallon compared to $0.139 per gallon a year ago. Total third quarter operating expenses were $141 million, an increase of $10 million from the same period last year. This year-over-year increase was attributable to the Peerless and Zenith acquisitions. During the third quarter, we spent $31 million of growth capital and $14 million in maintenance capital. Third quarter distributable cash flow as adjusted was $181 million compared to $196 million in the third quarter of 2022, yielding a current quarter coverage ratio of 2x and a trailing 12-month coverage ratio of 1.9x. On October 20th, we declared an $0.842 per unit distribution consistent with last quarter. As you may recall, we increased our…

Karl Fails

Analyst · Barclays

Thanks, Scott. Good morning, everyone. We delivered another strong quarter, supported by continued strength in margins, volume growth, expense discipline, efficient operations and accretive acquisitions. When you step back and look at our business, it continues to perform quarter-after-quarter. The fundamentals are sound. We have put ourselves in a solid financial position, and we have the strategies to take advantage of market opportunities. Our volumes this quarter were up about 7% versus the third quarter of last year. The continued growth in volume relative to prior years comes from the contribution from our capital deployed, both organic and through acquisitions, as well as demand growth in some geographies. This quarter marks the highest volume quarter in our history and the second consecutive quarter where our volumes were above the $2 billion gallon mark. When you compare this to various reports on U.S. demand, it is clear that we are outpacing the sector and picking up market share. Another sign that our growth is delivering tangible results. This is all occurring as we grow in our existing geographies and enter new markets. As we look to the end of the year, we expect that volume in the fourth quarter would see a normal seasonal decline sequentially, but our relative position in the market will remain strong. With respect to margins. The strong margin performance over the last few years continued in the third quarter as we delivered margins of $0.13 per gallon. There is no extraordinary story to share for this quarter. The continued combination of increased market volatility, higher break even margins and our gross profit optimization strategies delivered strong margins even with some rising prices of first half of the quarter. Looking forward to the fourth quarter, we expect the same fundamental factors to remain in place. However, just…

Joseph Kim

Analyst · Barclays

Thanks, Karl. Good morning, everyone. We delivered a very strong third quarter. Although 2023 is not quite over, I want to provide some perspective on this year as a whole. On a macro level, fuel distribution has remained highly attractive within the energy sector. The combination of higher breakeven margins and commodity volatility has supported strong earnings for select companies that can optimize gross profit and manage expenses. Obviously, this is what Sunoco does well. In addition, our growth in the terminal business has enhanced our overall portfolio, providing further stability and growth opportunities. As a result, we're on pace for another record year. As Scott mentioned, we increased our EBITDA guidance for the full-year 2023. We expect more of the same in 2024. This December, we will provide a new investor presentation, which will include our formal 2024 guidance and business outlook. I'd like to preview a few key themes. We expect to grow and have another strong year in 2024. We expect industry fundamentals to remain supportive, and we expect the continuation of our proven track record of optimizing our business in various macro environments. Regardless of one's outlook on fuel demand, inflation recession risk, and geopolitical uncertainty, we expect our stable portfolio to deliver strong results in various environments. With our increasing cash flow, we expect to grow both organically and through acquisition, the opportunity set remains ample and attractive. And finally, we're in a position to increase our distribution again next year. All of this while maintaining strong coverage and leverage ratios. Operator, that concludes our prepared remarks. You may open the line for questions.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. At this time we'll be conducting a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions]. Our first question comes from Theresa Chen with Barclays.

Theresa Chen

Analyst · Barclays

Good morning. Thank you for taking my questions. I wanted to go back to the comments about Sunoco being and remaining a growth company. Karl, to your comments about gaining market share in these tumultuous volatile markets. Can you talk about if this is primarily driven by the acquisitions? Or how have you been able to organically grow market share?

Karl Fails

Analyst · Barclays

Yes, Theresa, thanks for the question. And if you think about the components and kind of the contributions to our market share growth, I think you hit on the two biggest. So from an acquisition standpoint, clearly, the biggest difference in volume this quarter -- third quarter this year versus third quarter last year is our acquisition of Peerless at the end of last year. But in addition, there are investments that we've made both in growth capital, and I'd say generically in working capital in growing our business. And that's signing new customers to long-term agreements, and then I think finding opportunities to take advantage of market demand, whether that's through consolidating our supply and selling that through various wholesale channels and coupling that with additional branding growth where we spend growth capital. So it's really a combination of both of those. I'd say probably a little more towards the acquisitions, but I would not discount the growth that we've had coming from the investments in growth capital and working capital.

Theresa Chen

Analyst · Barclays

Got it. And on the M&A landscape, can you talk about what you're seeing as far as evolution of valuation assets coming to market that you're interested in? How is that changing? And particularly to Midstream assets outside of wholesale distribution on the infrastructure side, are there opportunities where it makes sense to invest along with your parent?

Joseph Kim

Analyst · Barclays

Hi, Theresa, this is Joe. Assessing the M&A landscape, I would probably put it this way. I know for probably for the last two or three years, I've said pretty much the same thing that the opportunities out there looks robust. Looking forward, probably to this year and to next year, I would expect it to be exactly the same or maybe even better. So the situation that we're in right now is I think people like Sunoco with a strong balance sheet, we bring synergies to the table. I think we're very well situated whenever opportunities come up. And trying to separate out between fuel distribution and midstream. We like both sectors. And some of the acquisitions we've done actually is not one or the other, it's actually both. So we're equally interested in both. I think if there's an opportunity that pops up Sunoco alone or with Energy Transfer, we're in a really good position to take advantage of that. And when the right opportunity comes up, we'll take advantage of it.

Theresa Chen

Analyst · Barclays

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Spiro Dounis with Citi. Please proceed with your questions.

Spiro Dounis

Analyst · Citi. Please proceed with your questions

Thanks, operator. Good morning, team. Joe, I want to come back to your comment around the distribution increase. You sound pretty constructive once again as we head into next year. And so just wondering if you could remind us some of the factors that you and the Board will be looking at when you determine what the right size of that distribution increase could be?

Scott Grischow

Analyst · Citi. Please proceed with your questions

Hey Spiro, this is Scott. I'll take that one and maybe Joe can follow up if necessary. But I think there's really three factors primarily that come into play when we evaluate the distribution and increases moving forward. And those are really staying true to our capital allocation strategy, right? We want to ensure surety of the distribution moving forward. We want to continue to protect the balance sheet and operate at or below our long-term leverage target. And we want to be in a continued position to grow the company. So I think those are the three primary factors. And then subsequent to that, I think we want to ensure ongoing growth opportunities in the distribution, right? So sizing it to where each year, we can continue to evaluate future growth opportunities and distribution increases. As Joe said, we're in a position to -- with our announcement in 2024 to talk about another distribution increase. And I think as we sit here today, you should expect something at or above the 2% that we announced earlier this year.

Spiro Dounis

Analyst · Citi. Please proceed with your questions

Helpful, thanks for that, Scott. Second question, maybe just on Peerless, just curious if you guys can update us any potential opportunities coming out of that asset. I think you've owned it for almost a year now, and it sounds like you're pretty excited about what you'd be able to sort of string out of there under your new ownership. So one, any update there? And as we think about the size and magnitude, whether it be CapEx or EBITDA contribution, how should we be thinking about that?

Karl Fails

Analyst · Citi. Please proceed with your questions

Yes. Spiro, this is Karl. That asset was, call it, roughly somewhere in the 10 to low teen EBITDA when we purchased it. And we've already been able to increase that really through deploying working capital, optimizing our supply, spending some capital. We've introduced the Sunoco brand to the island. So we're very happy with the results we've achieved and what the team down there has done with kind of our strategy and our balance sheet and our ability to deploy capital. From the overall company standpoint, even doubling that business down there isn't super material, but we think it's more an example of how we're looking at continued growth as we go into new geographies that we're not just going to live with an acquisition that we make that we're going to use that as a base and a foundation for further growth. So I don't know that we have a growth plan I can share with you that's going to materially change our profile in the Caribbean. But clearly, we're going to continue to grow and look for opportunities, whether that be acquisitions or deploying -- continuing to deploy growth capital.

Spiro Dounis

Analyst · Citi. Please proceed with your questions

Got it. Helpful color guys. Thanks for the time.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from John Royall with JPMorgan. Please proceed with your question.

John Royall

Analyst · JPMorgan. Please proceed with your question

Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. So my first question is you started the year with a $0.12 view on fuel margin. and you're tracking much closer to $0.13 now and maybe a little bit ticking down in 4Q. But your commentary at the time when you put out the guidance was understandably about the relationship between margin and volume. If you were higher on margin, you'd probably be lower on volume. And clearly, you're a good amount higher on both. So my question is just high level. What do you think has led to the better-than-expected environment in margin? And how much of it do you think is sustainable such that maybe we should expect sort of closer to a $0.13 level going forward, for example?

Karl Fails

Analyst · JPMorgan. Please proceed with your question

Yes, John, thanks for the question. It's definitely something that we think about and I think is worth highlighting on our results. So going back to last year, when we put our guidance together, we did do, as you said, link the volume and margins together and said, hey, let's really look at gross profit. And then we said for each individual component of that, we said, hey, we think this is the fat part of the curve. And as we fast forward to where we are today, I think that relationship continues. But if you go down a level, I think it's insightful to -- it kind of adds to a comment that Joe made in his prepared remarks about select companies being able to take advantage of certain market conditions. So the relationship between volume and margin really is a market-related phenomenon, right, where if volumes are flat to declining, that's going to provide support for higher breakeven margins and then things like inflation or supply chain problems or some of the things we've seen over the last few years contribute to that higher breakeven margin. That's remained true this year, right? If you look at most market data, whether it's EIA or other sources of demand, overall demand this year is flat to maybe even more recently, it's slightly below last year. So that provides continued support on the margin side. With our scale, we're able to take advantage of that higher breakeven margin. And then the thing that we've delivered on, probably in excess of what our original guide was last year is our growth. And so I talked about in my prepared remarks, and I think Theresa's question was really about how do we -- where does that growth and market share come from? And so that's where our added volume isn't coming from some tailwind in the market. It's really due to us deploying capital and growing and then we're able to take advantage of that higher breakeven margin to really out deliver in both areas.

John Royall

Analyst · JPMorgan. Please proceed with your question

Great, thank you. And Karl, you answered my second question without even getting asked, so I will turn it over. Thank you.

Karl Fails

Analyst · JPMorgan. Please proceed with your question

You bet.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Selman Akyol with Stifel. Please proceed with your questions.

Selman Akyol

Analyst · Stifel. Please proceed with your questions

Thank you. I guess I just wanted to follow-up on Spiro's questions in terms of sort of return of capital. A couple of questions there. Number one is, when you -- Scott, you outlined the things you consider, I was just curious, do you guys or the Board have a goal or what you think the appropriate coverage ratio is to run this business with?

Scott Grischow

Analyst · Stifel. Please proceed with your questions

Yes. Selman, we've talked as part of our capital allocation strategy to be at or above 1.4x on the coverage ratio. So that's the general area that we're kind of targeting for the long-term and where we'd like to see the coverage and how we think about any distribution increases.

Selman Akyol

Analyst · Stifel. Please proceed with your questions

Got it. And then also within there, when you guys talk with the Board, is there consideration of any repurchases?

Scott Grischow

Analyst · Stifel. Please proceed with your questions

Buybacks have obviously been a part of a return of capital discussion. I think we see a lot of options to create unitholder value. But view distribution increases is providing flexibility to our unitholders and ensuring confidence in the future. It doesn't mean we haven't contemplated buybacks in the past. As you know, we did do one as part of the 7-Eleven transaction proceeds back in 2018. So they have entered the discussion, but we see distribution increases as providing the biggest return, and I think the most confidence in our growth ability.

Joseph Kim

Analyst · Stifel. Please proceed with your questions

Hi Selman, this is Joe. I'll add one other thing to what Scott said is also, we like our growth potential. Obviously, this is a balanced approach between secure and growing distributions and maintaining a really strong balance sheet. But just as important as other too is that we look at the landscape and we see growth opportunities, both from acquisition and from an organic capital standpoint. And we think that we can do that at a reasonable value with significant synergies. So we think we can create value for our stakeholders on that particular area.

Selman Akyol

Analyst · Stifel. Please proceed with your questions

Got it. And then let me just ask this and -- if I look back over your balance sheet, and I mean, and I go back to like '21, you guys had cash less than $100 million consistently, you guys I go back over the model back to '15. As I look back over the last several quarters, you're running cash well above that and you ended this quarter with $0.25 billion in cash, your receivables are up nicely as well. Is there something you guys want to hang on to more cash? Or is there something changing in the business? Is there any thoughts on just by all the cash on the balance sheet?

Scott Grischow

Analyst · Stifel. Please proceed with your questions

Yes, Selman, I'll take that. This is Scott. That cash balance that you saw at the end of the third quarter, and I think at the end of the second quarter was also around $240 million. Those were booked cash balances. They were not bank cash. So there is obviously a timing element there. We obviously manage cash to the lowest level possible, redeploying that towards debt pay down on our revolving credit facility and obviously reinvesting in the business and acquisitions. So that cash is not being trapped or held for the long-term. It's being put back to the balance sheet or to growth.

Selman Akyol

Analyst · Stifel. Please proceed with your questions

Okay, thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Our final question comes from Ned Baramov with Wells Fargo. Please proceed with your question.

Ned Baramov

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please proceed with your question

Hey guys, good morning. Thanks for taking the question. Given the resilience of your business and the well-documented interplay between volumes and margins, is there a thought to provide a longer-term base forecast on EBITDA and/or distribution growth as opposed to your typical one-year forward update that you provide in December?

Joseph Kim

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please proceed with your question

Yes, it's Joe. Good question. We have -- we're going to put out a December investor presentation. And I tried to highlight a few of the themes that -- in the prepared remarks, but let me try to be even clearer on this one. If you look at our business and you look year-over-year for the last five years, you've seen our balance sheet get better. You've seen our coverage grow, you've seen our EBITDA grow. And every time we've done a formal guidance in December has been a growth. What we haven't done and what we plan to do in December is really talk about our confidence in 2024, but go even further and talk even longer term about industry fundamentals and how Sunoco could position ourselves to thrive in those fundamentals on a far perspective. So if you -- with a little bit of patience, we're in December is right around the corner, we'll give some good insightful thought about 2024 and beyond.

Ned Baramov

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please proceed with your question

That's great. Thanks for that. I'm looking forward to the update in December.

Operator

Operator

We've reached the end of the question-and-answer session. I'd now like to turn the call back over to Scott Grischow for closing comments.

Scott Grischow

Analyst · Citi. Please proceed with your questions

Well, thanks, everyone for joining us on the call this morning. Please feel free to reach out with any follow-up questions, and we'll talk to everyone soon. Have a great day.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today's conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. And we thank you for your participation.