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Talos Energy Inc. (TALO)

Q3 2015 Earnings Call· Tue, Nov 3, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Good morning. My name is Karol and I'll be your conference operator today. At this time, I'd like to welcome everyone to the Stone Energy's Third Quarter 2015 Earnings Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Thank you. I will now turn the call over to Mr. David Welch, Chairman, President and the CEO of Stone Energy. You may begin.

David Welch

Analyst

Okay. Thank you, Karol and welcome everyone to our third quarter 2015 earnings conference call. We're joined this morning by Ken Beer, our Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. First Ken will read the cautionary statement and then review our financial performance for the quarter, he will then turn it back over to me to discuss the adjustments we've made to our cost structure and outline our path to future profitable growth. Ken, to you please.

Kenneth Beer

Analyst

Alright, thank you, Dave. And let me start with the forward-looking statement. In this conference call, we may make forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Securities Act of 1933 and Securities Exchange Act of 1934. These forward-looking statements are subject to all the risks and uncertainties normally incident to the exploration, development, production, sales of oil and natural gas. We urge you to read our 2014 Annual Report on Form 10-K and the soon-to-be filed third quarter 10-Q for a discussion of the risks that could cause our actual results to differ materially from those in any forward-looking statements, we may make today. In addition, in this call, we may refer to financial measures that may be deemed to be non-GAAP financial measures as defined under the Exchange Act. Please refer to the press release we issued yesterday for a reconciliation of the differences between these financial measures and the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures. And with that, I will move. We'll assume everyone has seen the press release and the attached financials. Accordingly, I'll just focus on some key financial and operational highlights. In the third quarter results we had an adjusted $8 million loss or loss of about $0.15 per share before pretax, non-cash impairment charge of $295 million, which brought the reported loss to $292 million. Our discretionary cash flow for the quarter was about $67 million, or about $1.20 per share. As was also discussed in last quarter's conference call, the non-cash ceiling test impairment was primarily due to lower oil gas and NGL prices, which are calculated using a rolling 12-month trailing average. If prices continue to stay at lower level that are compared to last year, we would be subject to another non-cash ceiling test impairment in the fourth quarter; again no…

David Welch

Analyst

Okay. Thank you, Ken. Over the last 12 months, we’ve quickly adjusted to the new environment of lower commodity pricing. In doing so, we’re fortunate to be able to build on actions taken in 2014 before prices drop, the strength in our balance sheet and optimize our portfolio. Since prices have dropped, we’ve lowered cost structure and tightly focused our investments. While it has been and continues to be a difficult evolution, in less than year, Stone has positioned itself to continue to operate in the low price environment and to grow the company in the future. We’ve done this by focusing on the lowest cost for supply oil basin, the deepwater Gulf of Mexico and the lowest cost of gas supply basin Appalachia. As we’re positioned today, we feel we can grow in the deepwater Gulf of Mexico, well at the same time, maintaining a significant gas option in Appalachia. Accomplishing this task was not easy and required to consorted efforts of our entire organization. First, it was imperative that we adjust Stone’s cost and spending structure with the lower price. We accomplish this by reducing all three major categories of spend, lease operating expense LOE, salary general administrative expense SGA and capital investment. Next it was and continues to be important for Stone to maintain its favorable liquidity position. In the third quarter, our lease operating expense was $24 million of $6.60 per barrel equivalent. This is a significant reduction from the $44 million or $12 per barrel, oil equivalent realized in the third quarter of ‘14 which is itself significantly lower than the previous year’s quarter. Some of this cost reduction was realized with a sale of our higher unit cost conventional shelf assets in July of 2014. However, much of the savings are attributable to cost…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line of Kim Pacanovsky from Imperial Capital. Your line is open.

Kim Pacanovsky

Analyst

Yeah. Hi. good morning, everyone. I am just wondering if could give us a little bit more detail about the Lamprey process?

David Welch

Analyst

The prospect itself?

Kim Pacanovsky

Analyst

No. About your interest that you’ve seen in selling down in interest in Lamprey. The process not the prospect.

David Welch

Analyst

Sure. Sure. It’s a very dynamic situation Kim. You know the reason announcement with Pemex drilling to TR as well just south of the boarder I think is going to alter that process a bit, that’s why we’ve see Derbio in front of Lamprey, so we can have a little more time to see what kind of results it might get from their well.

Kim Pacanovsky

Analyst

Okay.

David Welch

Analyst

To some extent, they may be actually testing the southern end of our structure which would be very helpful.

Kim Pacanovsky

Analyst

Sure would be.

David Welch

Analyst

We also have seismic data that looks like it’s coming available south of the boarder which we haven’t had before. So our process is, we’ve talked to a number of companies, we are continuing to talk to them, but we are in a real state of flux now given new seismic data and potential new well data.

Kim Pacanovsky

Analyst

Okay and you said TRS is Pemex well?

David Welch

Analyst

Yes, it is, it’s a -

Kim Pacanovsky

Analyst

Yeah, and who - are there partners?

David Welch

Analyst

No, they own it and it’s about three-four miles just south of the boarder.

Kim Pacanovsky

Analyst

Okay. Great and could you just give us an idea of what you are thinking on adding gas hedges in 2016, you don’t - obviously the strip is pretty awful right here, but you don’t have a very hedge position for ‘16?

David Welch

Analyst

We don’t. I’ll just point out that we have added some oil hedges, we now have about around 30% of our 2016 oil hedge at an average price of around 60. On the gas side, I think we have about 20 million Btus hedges that a little over $4. We have a hedging committee that meets ones a month then we look at all the indications. And you know you are right, the strip look pretty dyer lately, so we haven’t placed any additional gas hedges yet, but we do monitored every month.

Kenneth Beer

Analyst

And Kim you might remember, most of our gas has been Appalachia, so we’ve got a couple of gas hedges there really would address our current volumes. That will change when Amethyst comes on, but again we’re in a 100% share at excite timing or the exact amount, so some of our hesitation on putting in gas hedges stems from the location of our volumes as well as uncertainty around Amethyst.

Kim Pacanovsky

Analyst

Yeah, it’s timing. Okay, great. And just a modeling question, could you just give us a breakup of the products for production in the four quarter guidance?

Kenneth Beer

Analyst

Yeah, maybe this is the way to think about it, this is kind backward engineering but it will kind of Mary out of the equation. The Heather and Buddy volumes are somewhere in that 20 million to 25 million a day. The Gulf of - Gulf Coast volumes are somewhere around the same 20 million to 25 million a day. So there spit the million out of the 150 would be gas. You know I don’t actually, nothing tips out of the oil NGL breakdown, but oil should be pretty static if not slightly up in the fourth quarter. NGL volumes particularly with the shutdown at Mary will be down.

Kim Pacanovsky

Analyst

Will be down, okay.

Kenneth Beer

Analyst

Down pretty dramatically.

Kim Pacanovsky

Analyst

Great. Okay, very helpful. Thanks so much.

Kenneth Beer

Analyst

Yeah.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Richard Tullis from Capital One Securities. Your line is open.

Richard Tullis

Analyst

Hey, thanks. Good morning, everyone. David or Ken, I think you’ve had mentioned in the press release that you had this fit-for-purpose rig in Appalachia. If you stack that rig, what’s the cost there?

David Welch

Analyst

It’s about $6 million a year.

Richard Tullis

Analyst

Okay, so it’s pretty minimal.

David Welch

Analyst

It’s pretty minimal and however we will be trying to form that well - I mean that rig out as well but I think for modeling and our internal models were assume that we’re going to stack it.

Richard Tullis

Analyst

Okay, okay, okay. And I know it’s not a very wide range for the fourth quarter production, what do you expect to exit the year at?

Kenneth Beer

Analyst

Yeah, I mean in numbers just take that roughly 150 and add a 100 million you know kind of gives you your 250.

Richard Tullis

Analyst

Okay.

Kenneth Beer

Analyst

And again, you’ll see a decline from that - from Appalachia but you will see an incline from certainly Amethyst and then number 7 and Pompano rig problem, I think at least our thought and we don’t have guidance for next year on the production side Richard, but certainly you can kind of do some math and it would show some pretty positive growth in 2016 for the overall company.

Richard Tullis

Analyst

Okay.

Kenneth Beer

Analyst

All of that drive by the Gulf of Mexico, the high margin Gulf of Mexico production.

Richard Tullis

Analyst

Okay, okay. What’s the oil percentage in that 15,000 a day Cardona production currently?

Kenneth Beer

Analyst

80%-85%.

Richard Tullis

Analyst

Yeah, okay. And then David, you’d mentioned potentially 20% lower LOE next year, I imagine you meant on a barrel or Mcfe basis, but does that count on Appalachia being back online next year to achieve that sort of reduction?

David Welch

Analyst

Yeah, that would be our, you know it’s our full company is moving forward and we’ll put out some guidance on those numbers later, that’s just kind of a - to let you know that we’re not finished cost cutting yet that we still have some ways to go, I am getting more efficient.

Richard Tullis

Analyst

Okay. I think that’s all I had right now; I’ll jump back in the queue. Thank you.

David Welch

Analyst

Thanks Richard.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from the line of Ron Mills from Johnson Rice. Your line is open.

Ron Mills

Analyst

Good morning. Just as a follow-up to Richard’s question, the question on 2016, you know as it relates to CapEx, I think consciences to somewhere in the mid-200s in terms of cash flow. What would it take to get down to that level of CapEx, I am assuming you would be sell down Derbio and Lamprey but is there anything in there that would lay to go from kind of $475 million budget down to somewhere in mid-2s?

David Welch

Analyst

Yeah, Ron, the rig far now it is a key piece of getting down to a low level and we’re working on that every day and hope to have something done on it for the end of the year. Also you know one of the things we could do is join some lower working interest prospects and actually spin less money by drilling a project that we took say a 10% working interest that were somebody else’s project. And then the final thing if need be stacking the rig for part of the year if we’re not successful in getting the rig formed out or in getting lower working interest in different opportunities.

Kenneth Beer

Analyst

And Ron, this is just and this is at a very high level, but if you think about it, we’ll really narrow it our activity level dramatically next year. You’ve got the Pompano platform rig program which at a high level of spin somewhere in the 80ish million dollars. You’ve got the ENSCO rig program which would include Cardona 7 and hopefully have sell down at Derbio and Lamprey which allows to drill wells, but as Dave pointed out, worst case scenario will just stack it. But if you think about spending in the roughly 100 some odd million dollars for that program scenario just under $200 million will have some P&A which would put us over $200 plus million. Maybe $30 million-$40 million in the P&A side is going to be some seismic and some other thing that we’re going to have spent money on, but that’s even open Appalachia and minor spending up there. That could get you to the mid-200s. And then we really don’t have to do anything else and so that’s why at least our sense is our capital budget will somewhere around that cash flow number. You know we don’t have a set CapEx budget that has been blessed by the board but certainly we’d not expect this to be a $400 million $500 million out of budget next year.

Ron Mills

Analyst

And then I know you don’t have the guidance but because of the nature of Cardona, Amethyst and your three of four Pompano development wells, really it almost any level of CapEx it seems like you know you still be on track to deliver plus or minus double-digit growth just depending on when those development projects flow through. Is that at least in line with consensus just is that still achievable at Amethyst?

David Welch

Analyst

That feels about right but the big unknown there is what happens on two things, one being what the rate do we achieve at Amethyst. And the second is how long do the Cardona wells hold steady before they get any decline. As right now, all three of the wells are just holding steady.

Ron Mills

Analyst

Okay and then one last, I guess a big clarification, did you say, Ken what’s four quarter CapEx was going to be?

Kenneth Beer

Analyst

No, but we kind of gave you an idea of what the nine months where and you instead of the 450 if you kind of round it up, an extra 25 million it would certainly kind of give you over $100 million.

Ron Mills

Analyst

Okay and then on the notes, is there as you go through those options, are there any major - you know are there any dates to look for or is it just you continue to monitor the various options on on an ongoing basis and so in your mind you have plenty of time to address that maturity?

Kenneth Beer

Analyst

Yeah, I mean obviously sooner is better than later. The ultimate date that we are concentrating on is March of 2017 when we do have to pay it back. But certainly we want to address it - address kind of our either retirement, the fees you know how we are going to - how we will pay back the 300 million in advance of that. I will tell you that there is no trigger, no issue as it relates to those notes going current, so it’s not is if we have to do some before March 2016 because they go horn and it triggers something that not the case. But it certainly it’s you know strong desire of the board and management to have a blueprint out there for us and of course the public to see how we’re going to get from point A to point B before March 2017. I mean ultimately we do have 500 million our line that will be I think utilized for some portion. I think we’ve said this before, I would not expect to have a single bullet, address all $300 million I think it will be several steps or actions that we take, it will address the $300.

Ron Mills

Analyst

Great, thank you all the interest.

Kenneth Beer

Analyst

Thank you, Ron.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line Jonathan Evans from JWEST LLC. Your line is open.

Jonathan Evans

Analyst

So can you help us ask, have the right sizing in the quarter. Can you give us a sense of SG&A next year on a run rate, it’s a 100 this year but you took some more corrective action, so is it 90, is it 80 or what do you think about SG&A for ‘16?

David Welch

Analyst

If the range, that’s the right number, kind of right range.

Jonathan Evans

Analyst

And that, is that cash can without stock options or?

David Welch

Analyst

Yeah.

Jonathan Evans

Analyst

Okay, got it. And then the thing is -

Kenneth Beer

Analyst

Actually Jon let me, a portion of that will be actually the vesting of stock restricted stock that vests overtime. So a portion of that will actually be not care, so it will be expense but it will be stock it that does best. I can circle back with you to give you exact number but it’s going to be not small numbers, that going to be I think you know probably approaching $15 million-$15 million, I think it’s maybe close to 15.

Jonathan Evans

Analyst

Got it. So I mean just a way to think about that, is it let’s say you are at 90 and so 15 and that 90 is noncash, so the cash is a difference, is that what you are saying?

Kenneth Beer

Analyst

Again yes, let me circle with you just to clarify that after the call.

Jonathan Evans

Analyst

And then on the Amethyst, I mean like you stated you can drive a truck through kind of what you think that’s going to produce, when will you have a better information do you think on where, what kind of level it’s going to flow, when do you think that comes about?

David Welch

Analyst

Yeah, probably not till the first quarter till we actually get it online.

Jonathan Evans

Analyst

Okay.

David Welch

Analyst

I mean the real uncertainty is this is a little bit different looking rock from the Cardona type stuff and we just are going to have seen what it does when we put in online.

Jonathan Evans

Analyst

Okay, and then on the 25 million more that you are going to spend in CapEx, so most of your announcements that you made, you’ve talked about performance et cetera or the rig taken less time, so is this just the Amethyst tieback as cost in your more, what really derived the $25 million extra spend?

Kenneth Beer

Analyst

Again a combination of a number of factors Jon, we’ve approached it kind of as a probabilistic number, so we have lot of moving parts. You might remember we really started the year closer to 550 or above and have been working down to get to that 450, there are a lot of leverage down that out there to get us to the 450, one of them quite lonely was a Amethyst sell down which didn’t occur, has not occurred and at least at this point we expect wouldn’t occur, so that was part of the equation that you know one of the variables that didn’t occur. There are a lot of other little things on the cost side that that kept pushing us down towards the 450. But at the end of the day, we will have - I mean we’ll Amethyst at 100%, we’ll now have the Pompano rig program starting now in the fourth quarter in terms of the clock ticking is the rig you know was mobilized and delivered to us and that’s a 100%. So you know there were a number of small factors that that pushed us above the 450 in a great scheme of things an extra $25 million on a 450 budget with all the moving parts that we had, we feel at least pretty good about we still would like to it, would rather hit the 450, but there was no single item that we can point to, there were a number of items that put that pressure above the budget 450 number.

David Welch

Analyst

And I will say that we’re still working toward trying to push that 475 down as well. So it’s not a guarantee thing.

Kenneth Beer

Analyst

I am even including Jon, it just even had the ENSCO rig coming out of the yard a little early and you might not thing that’s a big deal but if it comes you know ten days earlier and you start remain always a day and we own a 100% with Amethyst that bring them all sudden, there is an extra $10-$12. That it’s hard to model but in real time to be roughly 5% around that number, with all was okay, we would rather always hit our numbers as opposed to be slightly above on an expense side or capital side. But we really felt that as we guide close to the year-end to at least provide the market with a recognition that we might be around that $25 million higher, so that people at year-end were actually you know we put out of our 10-K or Annual Report that the people are coincide that we just felt like that’s where we’re trending, that’s what our current model would suggest. But as Dave pointed out, there is still some things that were working on or working towards that might get us down but the time are somewhat staged against us.

Jonathan Evans

Analyst

Okay. And then can you tell us or I guess, we just have to wait for the cash flow statement known 959 what you sold that piece for?

Kenneth Beer

Analyst

I am sorry for -

Jonathan Evans

Analyst

Yeah.

Kenneth Beer

Analyst

Yeah, this was not a big number, I would say put in that. $10-$20 million type range is not a big, this is in $50 or $100 million but the real concept here is instead of staying as a small 10% working interest of a smallish project that was not going to tieback to our facility and would have actually called for CapEx going forward even though it’s at a 10% level or that was let’s go ahead and let the current players consolidate their working interest and we can move forward with other projects we have more control over.

Jonathan Evans

Analyst

Got it. And then just two last questions, relative to the ENSCO rig, when we have a decision on what you are going to do with that, is that just more determined on you know the pieces that yourself potentially with Lamprey or Derbio or I guess what’s the saw process there, can you give us any timing?

David Welch

Analyst

You know in the ideal world since this new TRS well is popped up, what we’d like to do is start the year by forming the rig out for a period of time didn’t coming up, picking up Derbio and then going either toward another form out at a Lamprey at that time. So that’s kind of our ideal sequence.

Jonathan Evans

Analyst

Okay. And then the last question, just roughly Ken, it seems like just back of the envelop you showed in with like some place between 15 and 20 million in cash, is that fair do you think?

Kenneth Beer

Analyst

Well again we’re going to have a stronger cash burn in the fourth quarter with a 100% Amethyst, 100% Pompano. You know you can look at I think we ended - we said three quarters CapEx about 330 to get up to over 450, 470 which show a higher burn. So we’re going to be pretty close plus or minus small amount of cash either plus or minus. But it’s - you know it’ll be small either way.

Jonathan Evans

Analyst

Okay, great. Hey thank you for the time, I appreciate it.

Kenneth Beer

Analyst

Thank you and I’ll circle back with you Jon.

Jonathan Evans

Analyst

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Robert Alpaugh from Simmons & Company. Your line is open.

Robert Alpaugh

Analyst

Yes, just one question from me. I was wondering what the price would be to get active back in the Appalachia again or if you are looking for a specific duration at a specific price?

David Welch

Analyst

Yeah, actually you know what we’re really trying to do is create a margin back a margin up there and it’s going to be dependent not just on a price of gas but the overall cash that the company brings in. So it’s really tied not just the gas prices but oil prices. So it’s a little tricky to evolve your question into a particular component. But I would say in general, you know if we can get $2 or so are better in the Appalachia basin for our gas that would be a real good start.

Kenneth Beer

Analyst

And as Dave pointed out, you know certainly in the third quarter and I alluded to in my comments is the NGL prices which had typically provided an uplift actually drag this down on both price and ultimately margin and in fact they were negative margin. So some of that equation really you know you have to look at NGL pricing which even seasonally you are starting to see a little bit a rebound for both gas prices at the M2 up in Appalachia as you look at the December and you are starting to see that differential get smaller, you are seeing Henry Hub move up slightly and you are starting to see NGL pricing get a little better. Ultimately there is a margin gain and has been highlighted the positive is this is a low cost area. So we once we get into that $2 plus area on gas prices it’s something that can be considered because the cost structure is pretty - it’s pretty advantage. But at least it was in our minds, it was important to make sure that we weren’t just producing gas to show volumes, we ultimately want to produce gas to make some money and that’s really the one of the thoughts have just holding off on our Mary production.

Robert Alpaugh

Analyst

Alright, well thank you for the color. That’s all from me.

Kenneth Beer

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the Gail Nicholson from KLR Group. Your line is open.

Gail Nicholson

Analyst

Good morning. When we think of the development wells at Pompano, who should we think of timing, would that be one a quarter or is it more back half loaded in ‘16?

David Welch

Analyst

One a quarter is not a bad way to think about it. And we actually in our latest investor presentation show a profile that ramp up in our production profile if you want to get a little more specific.

Gail Nicholson

Analyst

Okay, great. And then looking past, you know pomp on that development program, is Amberjack platform program potential in ‘17 or how do you guys look at other kind of development opportunities in the Gulf of Mexico, Cardona 7 and Pompano?

David Welch

Analyst

Very good question. Yes, we are looking at a potential Amberjack program right now. We have to do some structural analysis on the platform to make sure that it couldn’t handle a bigger rig because we need a large rig to reach some of the larger potential prospects around there. But we are expecting - looking at there right now.

Gail Nicholson

Analyst

And then just one last question in regards to you know bring that rig back action in Appalachia, you know you have the Marcellus as well as the Utica, when you think about the horizon optionality, at this point in time, do you feel like you might go after the Utica more or is it will more kind of diverse program or any thoughts to what horizon you would attack when reengaging activity in Appalachia?

David Welch

Analyst

Well you probably are aware, we are fortunate that we have stack base both in the same geography, we have the Marcellus and the Utica. It looks right now that the Utica is probably going to have a little bit more attractive economics than the liquid rich Marcellus, but that’s highly dependent on what happens to liquids pricing. And so you know overtime I would expect that ultimately expect that oil prices are going to recover somewhat which would have an impact on liquids prices in Appalachia. So we end up with a bit of a highbred program, but I would say it’s slightly bias toward the Utica.

Gail Nicholson

Analyst

Okay, great, thank you.

David Welch

Analyst

You bet, thanks Gail.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of [indiscernible]. Your line is open.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Hi. Good morning. Few quick questions for me, so earlier in the Q&A there was some mentioned, the improving prices in Appalachia, so just to get a better understanding of guidance, is that meant to be kind of a base line and then if there is additional - I guess if you guys decided to put the sudden volumes in Appalachia back online given improving winter pricing, that will just upside to guidance?

Kenneth Beer

Analyst

Yeah, that’s the case. I mean just mathematically we thought instead of trying to guess the exact day we may or may not bringing Mary back on. The thought was let’s just put out guidance that excludes Mary for the time being. If in the month of December we come back online, we kind of said that should at a 100 plus million a day and should have 30 million-35 million for the quarter. But when let you do your own math, but out thought was for guidance purposes let’s just take it all out, be conservative, you know certainly, you know everybody would certainly hope that we come back on production. And as you just pointed out from a seasonal standpoint, you do see the margins getting better particularly as you get into the December differential which is kind of down there probably about $0.70 or so versus over a $1 for the earlier parts of year well rid out for the earlier parts of the year. So the trends going in the right direction, but for guidance, we just ended up not trying to pick the exact day but just let people add back the volumes depending upon when we actually come back on.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay, great, that’s helpful. And then on the offshore rig, there also mentioned of evaluating formal opportunities, so can you provide some more color on you know just how those conversations are going and you know as possible what kind of day rate are you guys taking about in these conversations?

David Welch

Analyst

Yeah, what I can tell is that we’re talking to about eight companies or so that have projects that might interested in it. I would say maybe two to four of those have some serious potential interest. The terms are very sensitive because those discussions are going on right now. So I can’t really give you any help on that right now, but as soon as we have something done, we will try to get that out into public domain.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay, great, thank you.

David Welch

Analyst

You bet.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Jeff Robertson from Barclays. Your line is open.

Jeff Robertson

Analyst

Thank you. Dave, can you talk a little bit about the development timeline, if you earned your main resource potential at Derbio and also at Lamprey? And at Lamprey, what is the likelihood of selling down, will also depend on the results of the - in terms of the timing of the Pemex, well as you are talking about?

David Welch

Analyst

Well, let me the first things first on Derbio, okay. Derbio is likely to be a tieback to Pompano, therefore it could potentially come online within couple of years after discovery and we’re able to do Cardona a little quicker than that, we may be able to do Derbio just slightly faster than two years. I hope that would the case. And then on Lamprey, yes the new news about this Pemex well TRS 1 is a big deal. And so we would certain like to see what they find on their well before we drill Lamprey and it could also have marketing implications because of they make a discovery you know I would think the price of Lamprey would go up. So we’re reevaluating that right now, walking the fine line between wanting to make sure that we have the right working interest to drill the well. And number two, trying to get the best commercial terms that we can for. So it’s a very good question and it’s highly on our minds and on our discussion list over the next few months. Does that answer yours?

Jeff Robertson

Analyst

Yes, thanks.

David Welch

Analyst

Okay.

Jeff Robertson

Analyst

At Vernaccia, if you get the results by year-end, you have room in your capital plan for ‘16 for appraisal work or would you have to more something else, excuse me if that was needed?

Kenneth Beer

Analyst

If we make a discovery there which were very helpful that we will figure out something to do on it you know even if we have to find dollars that you know if we have to spend down a small working interest there or something to lay for itself. But we’ve seen these Gulf of Mexico discovery itself for around $9 or $10 a barrel in the ground just after discovery. So you do create some currency when you make a discovery in the Gulf. And Vernaccia is very well situated, it’s close the infrastructure and I has a potential to be big too. So we’re keenly watching that one Jeff.

Jeff Robertson

Analyst

Okay, thank you very much.

Kenneth Beer

Analyst

You bet.

Operator

Operator

As we have no further questions from the queue at this time, I will turn the call back over for any closing remarks.

David Welch

Analyst

Okay, thank you, Karol. I just like to thank everyone for their interest and stay tuned to hope we have great things to talk about in the future.

Kenneth Beer

Analyst

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today’s conference. You may now disconnect.