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USA TODAY Co., Inc. (TDAY)

Q2 2014 Earnings Call· Tue, Jul 22, 2014

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Operator

Operator

Good day, everyone, and welcome to Gannett’s Second Quarter 2014 Earnings Conference Call. This call is being recorded. Due to the large number of callers, we will limit you to one question or comment. We greatly appreciate your cooperation and courtesy. Our speakers for today will be Gracia Martore, President and Chief Executive Officer and Victoria Harker, Chief Financial Officer. At this time, I would like to turn the call over to Jeff Heinz, Vice President, Investor Relations. Please go ahead sir.

Jeffrey Heinz

Management

Thanks, Stephanie. Good morning, and welcome to our earnings call and webcast. Today, our President and CEO, Gracia Martore; and our CFO, Victoria Harker, will review Gannett’s second quarter 2014 results. After their commentary, we’ll open up the call for questions. Hopefully you’ve had the opportunity to review this morning’s press release. If you’ve not seen it yet, it’s available at gannett.com. Before we get started, I would like to remind you that this conference call and webcast include forward-looking statements and our actual results may differ. Factors that might cause them to differ are outlined in our SEC filings. This presentation also includes certain non-GAAP financial measures. We have provided reconciliations of those measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures in the press release and on the Investor Relations portion of our website. With that, let me turn the call over to Gracia.

Gracia C. Martore

Management

Thanks, Jeff and good morning everyone, and welcome. Today, I’m going to provide a high level summary of Gannett’s strong performance in the second quarter, during which we advanced our growth strategy on a number of fronts. And after that Victoria Harker will review the financial results of each of our segments, provide some detail on special items and cover some balance sheet items. We achieved strong second quarter results and are pleased with the impact our strategic initiatives have had on both our top and bottom lines. Our expanded television station portfolio contributed to record broadcasting segment revenue, which along with the continued growth at CareerBuilder and our digital segment contributed to overall company wide revenue growth. Our revenue growth outpaced expenses during the quarter, reflecting our ongoing efforts to increase efficiency across our business, particularly in the publishing segment. As a result, our operating income and adjusted EBITDA were up dramatically on a non-GAAP basis, both about 28% higher and the company’s operating and cash flow margins overall also improved compared to the second quarter of last year. On a pro forma basis, adjusted EBITDA was up significantly as well reflecting an increase in company revenues which were up 2%, while expenses were down almost 1%. And as you saw this morning, earning per share were up about $0.67 on a non-GAAP basis and increase of 16% over the second quarter last year. And finally and perhaps most importantly, we generated more than $300 million in free cash flow during the quarter, driven by the strength of our operations, as well as our portion of the proceeds from Classified Ventures sale of Apartments.com. Each of our businesses were strongly profitable, despite soft national advertising demand across much of the media industry. As I said, Broadcasting segment results were…

Victoria D. Harker

Operator

Thanks, Gracia, and good morning, everyone. As Gracia have already mentioned, second quarter financial results highlight the outstanding progress we’ve made in the strategic transformation of our company. Before I review the results by segment, as well as our capital allocation efforts during the quarter, I would like to spend a few minutes reviewing several one-time events which occurred during the quarter to help provide additional context for our recurring trends and results. During the quarter, our ongoing efforts to transform the business initiated over three years-ago now resulted in greater operating efficiencies and effectiveness across the portfolio as well as new revenue opportunities. To that end this quarter, we incurred $23 million in work force restructuring expenses, coupled with $29 million in other transformation costs and goodwill impairments relating to restructuring our portfolio. These operating special items totaled $52 million with an EPS impact of $0.16 per share. From a non-operating standpoint, during the quarter as you’ve already heard, we enjoyed a pre-tax $148 million equity income gain from the sale of our share in Apartments.com, offset slightly by cost associated with the wind-down of our acquisition of Belo as well as other transaction cost related to Apartments.com and a London Broadcast station. Just as a reminder, as we communicated last quarter, the sale of Apartments.com is projected to have a $12 million revenue and $9 million unfavorable operating income impact for the year, which impacted second quarter operating income by about $3 million. Total non-operating special items for the quarter were a benefit of $144 million within associated GAAP EPS benefit of $0.39 per share. When taken all together operating and non-operating special items totaled $92 million on a pre-tax basis for the quarter with the GAAP EPS impacted of $0.23 per share. Beyond this, we incurred $13…

Gracia C. Martore

Management

Thanks, Victoria. The second quarter was a very strong follow-up to our terrific first quarter and we have a great deal to look forward to in the second half of 2014. Innovation is happening across each of our businesses and is serving as the foundation for the next phase of growth. We are laser focused on continuing to build on our strong shareholder value creation we have delivered over the last three years. We’ve also made tremendous progress on our goal of becoming a higher growth, higher margin business, as our broadcasting and digital segments generated more than two-thirds of our adjusted EBITDA during the quarter. In addition, we continue to have strong, predictable cash flows and a healthy balance sheet, both of which provide us with the financial flexibility necessary to make investments that will continue to fuel organic growth and to pursue exciting new growth opportunities that align with our goals. With momentum building across many of our businesses – many areas of our business and anticipated increases in advertising demand. We are looking forward to a strong performance across all three of our business segments in the second half of the year. With quarter-over-quarter comparison improvement across virtually every category of revenue. With that I would like to open up the call for questions, Stephanie.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. (Operator Instructions) And we'll go first to John Janedis with Jefferies. John Janedis – Jefferies Group LLC: Hi, good morning. Gracia, you called out national advertising. Historically, the category has been volatile, but can you give us a little more color, was the weakness broad based, was it more category or advertiser-specific and is some of the money maybe moving to digital or not getting spent? And then maybe one sneak question for Dave on the TV front. There has been talk of some political money moving to digital as well. How do you think political comes in relative to maybe 2010 or 2014? Thanks.

Gracia C. Martore

Management

Sure. Let me take the first half of that question and then I’ll turn it to Dave to respond to the broadcasting part. I would say that on the national advertising front, we saw – as what I’m hearing is many in the media industry saw, which was more volatility in national advertising in the second quarter. I think it was a combination of several things still not particularly robust economy. I think we perhaps underestimated the impact of some World Cup advertising dollars that went to that every four year event that was I think more robust and particularly in some markets we have and Dave will comment on that later, perhaps had some impact on us. I think USA Today on the national side, we also saw some impact from all of those pieces and I think certainly we saw that in the World Cup there were social media advertising that was much more robust than typically we have seen in I think took some of the dollars away from some of the USA Today spending. As I look into the third quarter, though, we see certainly improvement, very substantial improvement on the national advertising front, both from USA Today, as well as from our television stations. But Dave, why don’t you comment both on political and anything you else you want on add on national?

David T. Lougee

Analyst

Yeah, just to echo what Gracia said, was a weak quarter nationally, John. And, yeah, there was high profile discussions of some dollars moving to digital, but I would say the majority of it was the impact, these events that began at the start of the quarter, even though we're not heavily in the northeast, it impacted budgets around the country and also the stock market really didn't pick-up in time to drive a lot of the decision-making. So we saw that trickle through the quarter, but as Gracia mentioned, we saw some improvement outside of the high World Cup market said she reference going into third and we are seeing improvement almost across the Board on the national side and auto, which was weak at the beginning of the quarter, second quarter is now even in the positive territory on the third quarter. Relative to political no, John, I don’t there are certainly new things being done with digital, but those dollar are being used for different things than the brand advertising is being used for political in TV and we don’t see based on our current trends they local broadcasters are still considered absolutely essential the campaigns and there has been no secular change whatsoever relative to our piece of that pie. John Janedis – Jefferies Group LLC: Thank you, David.

Gracia C. Martore

Management

You had asked about political comparisons to 2010. We would expect political with the combined Belo and Gannett stations to be in excess of the 2010 number not wildly in excess of it, because of a different mix of markets and hot races and all the rest, but we certainly do see it a bit ahead of 2010 if it all comes in as we hope as you can appreciate a lot of that is…

David T. Lougee

Analyst

Full year.

Gracia C. Martore

Management

A lot of that is back loaded to September, October, and November. So we are going out on a little bit of a limb, but we feel good about the footprint we have and the races and the issues in our market. So we expected to be in excess of 2010.

Gracia C. Martore

Management

Thanks, John. Next question?

Operator

Operator

And we go next to William Bird with FBR Capital. William Bird – FBR Capital Markets: Good morning. Gracia, how do you think about your M&A strategy going forward, particularly around the trade-off between acquiring TV assets or digital assets where multiple is likely to be above Gannett's multiple? Thank you.

Gracia C. Martore

Management

Yes, thanks for the question, Bill. As I indicated earlier, we are blessed with the fact that we have a very strong balance sheet, fair amount of financial flexibility in that balance sheet, and we're also blessed with the fact that as we completed the Belo acquisition and have gotten started a very, very good start on the integration of the Belo stations that that acquisition is more than exceeding our expectations. We're very excited about the opportunity we had with the London stations, because it met all the criteria that we have for an acquisition. The great thing about Gannett is that we have the ability to not just be an either/or decision. We can do some broadcast acquisitions at the same time we can potentially do some digital acquisitions, but we always put all of those through the prism of what is going to create the most shareholder value for the company in the near and long-term, and making sure that any acquisition that we do certainly achieves and checks off all the boxes we have around the financial discipline that we bring to every acquisition. And while digital acquisition certainly may carry a higher multiple, you have to then look at what the growth characteristics of that particular digital asset is, and if it's double-digit top line and bottom line growth, perhaps that multiple is appropriate for that kind of growth. But at the end of the day, this is a company that is laser focused on creating shareholder value as we have done these last three years and we have tremendous financial discipline here, and we will apply that to every opportunity that we see. William Bird – FBR Capital Markets: Thank you.

Gracia C. Martore

Management

Thanks, Bill.

Operator

Operator

And we go next to Alexia Quadrani. Alexia S. Quadrani – JP Morgan Chase & Co: Thank you. My question I guess is on the retrans, the guidance and then maybe some commentary longer term. You know you're tracking ahead of your annual retrans side. Could you give us a sense if you assume that will continue? Should we assume that comes in on the higher end of that? And then if you talk about retrans longer term, when you begin to circle through you're renewals, can we continue to see this kind of amazing growth rate you've been seeing or I know you still have the big disparity between where the big cable chance are and where you guys are and do you think you'll be successful sort of if you need to close that gap?

Gracia C. Martore

Management

Let me answer part of that question, and then I'll turn it to Dave to answer the remainder of it. With respect to our current run rate of retrans revenues, we are very comfortable that what you saw in the second quarter should be a good run rate through the remainder of the year, so you can bake that into it. We do have a couple of retrans agreements coming up at the very end of the year, and I think we come into all those discussions with the fact that we still believe that the value we bring is not fully reflected in the fees that we are being paid. So we don't negotiate in public, but we'll report on all the good news we have to bake into our budgets for 2015 once we complete those negotiations, but Dave, why don't you speak to the other issues?

David T. Lougee

Analyst

[1.08] : Alexia S. Quadrani - JP Morgan Chase & Co: And just a following up on that point. How do you through I guess contracts that you already received retrans I mean you going for the second you gone to any for the second time and are you saying you ability to sort of leverage that point.

David T. Lougee

Analyst

Yes. We have negotiated.

Gracia C. Martore

Management

At the end of last year.

David T. Lougee

Analyst

Deals that have weren’t that long. So we have not just on single or long-term deals we’ve actually done more shorter deals in many cases. So yes, we have cycled through several. The end of next year yeah.

Gracia C. Martore

Management

2016. Alexia S. Quadrani - JP Morgan Chase & Co: And I guess my point is you are seeing the increases, to just sort of improve your point that you do have so much upside still.

David T. Lougee

Analyst

Just say its those I just would point to our numbers. Alexia S. Quadrani - JP Morgan Chase & Co: Exactly okay.

Gracia C. Martore

Management

Best estimates of the increases. Alexia S. Quadrani - JP Morgan Chase & Co: Okay, thanks so much.

Gracia C. Martore

Management

Thanks Alexia.

David T. Lougee

Analyst

Thanks Alexia.

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions) And we move next to Doug Arthur with Evercore Partners. Douglas M. Arthur – Evercore Partners Inc.: Yeah, good morning. Can you – Victoria, can you just review the impact of sale of Apartments.com? Was that a second quarter I guess because it happened toward the second quarter, it was the $3 million impact on operating profit, Is that correct interpretation?

Victoria D. Harker

Operator

Yes, operating income and we had actually when we had talked to it in last quarter’s call as well, we had spoken to the fact that the full year impact of $12 million revenue and about $9 million in op income. Second quarter impact that we had anticipated then was about $3 million on operating income.

Gracia C. Martore

Management

And four on revenue, 4-ish on revenue. Douglas M. Arthur – Evercore Partners Inc.,: Okay. And then just last question, you talked about the financing you did at favorable rates in second half last year. What is sort of go ahead plan on the debt position in the second half? Anything expected to dramatically change?

Gracia C. Martore

Management

Well, we do have notes that come due obviously in November and then we anticipate obviously paying them down, but beyond that we don’t have any immediate plans. We continue to look at opportunistically, where we have rates that will enable us – and that makes economic sense, but we don’t currently anticipate anything for the second half. Douglas M. Arthur – Evercore Partners Inc.,: Okay, great. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

And we’ll go now to Michael Kupinski with Noble Financial. Michael A. Kupinski – Noble Financial Capital Markets.: Thank you for taking the question. Just a follow-up on the national front, could you provided some color on what national did throughout the quarter? Was it – did it significantly fall off then in June because of World Cup? So, if you can give me a little color there. And then in your comment, Gracia, I was wondering in terms of national bouncing back, was that including political or was that ex-political And then I was wondering if you can give us what the pro forma political was on 2010, given all the new station sales and acquisitions and so forth.

Gracia C. Martore

Management

That’s a bunch of questions. Let me start with, yes, for instance national advertising on the publishing front. There was a real volatility between May and June, May was down in the single digits, where as June was down in the higher double – higher teens. So clearly the impact in June was much more pronounced I think…

David T. Lougee

Analyst

On the broadcast side, we have some calendar dates, line-ups issues with the Belo calendar last year. So, the months not perfectly aligned, but yes, there were some volatility. We saw some in markets that weren’t as strong World Cup markets, in June we saw some strength and some other markets were impacted by World Cup. So there was some volatility around some events but the overall has been relatively better and recent months as I said. And so the answer, as Gracia said on the third quarter, was that that national is up ex-political.

Gracia C. Martore

Management

Yes, and again on the national and broadcast when I look at the underlying numbers, national was softest for broadcasting in June.

David T. Lougee

Analyst

Right. Michael A. Kupinski – Noble Financial Capital Markets.: Okay.

David T. Lougee

Analyst

When I say up it just to be clears, its better it’s not up and all cases but it is better than at significantly better than it was in 2Q. Michael A. Kupinski – Noble Financial Capital Markets.: So you are saying that it’s not up it just better.

David T. Lougee

Analyst

It is better. That right. Michael A. Kupinski – Noble Financial Capital Markets.: Okay.

Gracia C. Martore

Management

Look at this moment in time.

David T. Lougee

Analyst

At this moment in time.

Gracia C. Martore

Management

We have a long way to go this quarter.

David T. Lougee

Analyst

That’s right. Michael A. Kupinski – Noble Financial Capital Markets.: Okay what was the political on a pro forma basis that we should we look forward in 2010?

Gracia C. Martore

Management

Yeah. In 2010 the Gannett stations had about $89 million in political and the Belo stations had about $48 million. So about $130, $637 million, your expectation as we set for 2014 is to be a little ahead of that let’s not get too giddy right at this nanosecond before we get into the big months, but slightly ahead of that. Michael A. Kupinski – Noble Financial Capital Markets.: Does that have included the London station too Gracia or?

Gracia C. Martore

Management

No, and to be honest with you London this is a group it has $50 million in the annual revenue, political is not a big piece of their revenue picture obviously they will get some political…

David T. Lougee

Analyst

24 hours.

Gracia C. Martore

Management

But not certainly a big driver of their station. Michael A. Kupinski – Noble Financial Capital Markets.: Okay perfect. All right thank you.

Gracia C. Martore

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And we go next to Kannan with Barclays. Kannan Venkateshwar – Barclays Capital Inc.: Thank you. Just one question from me on reverse retrans when these contracts come up for negations I think Belo has bunch of reverse retrans already in place. Is the contract structure more as a proportion of the retrans revenues or is it a fixed fee contract when you go out and negotiate with the broadcasters?

Gracia C. Martore

Management

Yes, Kannan we are under very strict NDA’s in all of our agreement and so we really can’t comment on that. Kannan Venkateshwar – Barclays Capital Inc.: Okay and overall when I look at the last year numbers it looks like overall your reverse retrans was roughly about I mean if I look at the Belo numbers they were roughly about 63% of the retrans number is that a fair benchmark to use going forward when we project out your numbers I mean in the outer years especially once the reverse has be?

Gracia C. Martore

Management

First half I am sure that is it Belo ever reported reverse retrans, but that sounds very high to me. Kannan Venkateshwar – Barclays Capital Inc.: Okay.

Gracia C. Martore

Management

For Belo last year. Kannan Venkateshwar – Barclays Capital Inc.: Okay I think they had reported in 2011 the reverse.

Gracia C. Martore

Management

They may have in 2011 I’m just telling you in 2013 they didn’t report them and I can assure you that it wasn't anywhere near 60-something percent. they didn't even negotiate their NBC agreements until the middle I believe of last year. So it was well south of that.

David T. Lougee

Analyst

It’s nowhere near that. Kannan Venkateshwar – Barclays Capital Inc.: Okay. All right. Thank you.

Victoria D. Harker

Operator

You're welcome.

Operator

Operator

And we go now to Edward Atorino with Benchmark. Edward J. Atorino – Benchmark Company, LLC: Hi. The FCC made a lot of noise a little while ago and has been sort of quiet. Was there any change or is there any change in the TV acquisition market, because of the previous FCC actions, or did that all sort of calm down and I hate to use the word normal, but is business back to normal there?

Gracia C. Martore

Management

Yes, I think obviously the FCC has come out with some rules around JSAs and that certainly had an impact on those folks who relied on JSAs more significantly in their business model, but for Gannett, we only have two JSAs that's with respect to our newspaper, television. So really it's been business as usual for the Gannett Company., the London stations were fantastic stations there were no overlaps in anyway and so, we continue to see opportunities that are attractive that aren't impacted in any way by those JSA new rules, but I suspect that's probably a bigger issue for others in the industry. Edward J. Atorino – Benchmark Company, LLC: Got you. Could you review your pricing strategy with regard to newspapers and subscription prices, cover prices, discounts, package deals, et cetera, et cetera?

Gracia C. Martore

Management

Well the good news is I have Bob Dickey here with me and I'm sure he'll be happy to talk about the great success we're seeing with both the USA Today content insertion as well as some other pricing strategies.

Robert J. Dickey

Analyst

Sure. We have taken a much more strategic approach to our pricing over the past 9-months to 12-months; we’ve utilized customer insights where we profile each of our customers across the marketplace. We look at things like length of service, delivery history, market demographics, et cetera. And currently across about 52, 53 of our markets, we have been able to implement price increases to somewhere between 35% to 80% of our subscribers, depending on the market and the date in which the price increase initiated. As Gracia mentioned earlier, this new approach is yielding anywhere from three to six percentage points better yield for us than our previous strategies, and what is very positive for us, since our retention numbers are holding and that is because our stocks are about 8% below what we had projected. So we are… Edward J. Atorino – Benchmark Company, LLC: That was sub-subscribers?

David T. Lougee

Analyst

Yes. Edward J. Atorino – Benchmark Company, LLC: Okay.

David T. Lougee

Analyst

So we're very encouraged in period 6 in USCP. We were almost flat in total circulation revenue. We were only down 0.1%, and as Gracia pointed out, driven by some very positive home delivery results.

Gracia C. Martore

Management

The only thing I would add to what Bob said is that last quarter we mentioned to you we were very early in the USA Today content additions. We would really only had a few months of all the markets being covered the 35 markets being covered, and at that point on the call last quarter, we indicated we thought that this would add about $15 million net to non-operating income. After reviewing it more carefully and seeing the results that Bob talked about, we're now comfortable that that number's going to be more in the $20 million plus range. We feel very good about the outperformance of that project at this point. Edward J. Atorino – Benchmark Company, LLC: Would that be for the year or an annual rate?

Gracia C. Martore

Management

That's for 2014. Edward J. Atorino – Benchmark Company, LLC: Very good. Are you using mostly cover prices, or subscription prices, or a combination of both, or some inventive pricing?

David T. Lougee

Analyst

Depending on the market demographics and the customer profile, we price the various – and we have minimized the number of pods. Unlike in the past where we have a dozen different options, we've narrowed that down, which helped us with our yield as well.

Gracia C. Martore

Management

And I think really what we focused on is how consumers want to pay for content and they want to pay for it one time across all of the various platforms we can delivered on rather than just looking at a cover price or something else. So it's really looking at pricing across the total delivery of our content on all platforms. Edward J. Atorino – Benchmark Company, LLC: Yep, one last question. You've bought a lot of Broadcast business. Our newspapers for sale, and at a price, would you be interested? Of course you're not going to answer that, but I thought I would ask the question.

Gracia C. Martore

Management

We’re try, Ed. Yes, there are newspapers for sale. Look, what this company is focused on, and laser focused on, as I said before is creating additional strong shareholder value. And we are open to any opportunities that will do that. And we’re the Board and I and the management team, continue to look at ways to increase shareholder value as we have successfully done with our superior returns over the last three years. We said last quarter that we were laser focused on Belo and now with the London Broadcasting stations. And as you can see from the results that was precisely the right focus for us to have, but we are an incredibly shareholder-oriented company and we are always evaluating the best ways to continue to meaningfully increase value for both the near and the long-term. Edward J. Atorino – Benchmark Company, LLC: Thank you.

Gracia C. Martore

Management

That’s all I'll say on that subject, Ed. Edward J. Atorino – Benchmark Company, LLC: Okay. Thank you very much.

Gracia C. Martore

Management

Thanks Ed.

Operator

Operator

And we go now to Barry Lucas with Gabelli. Barry L. Lucas – Gabelli & Company, Inc.,: Thanks and good morning, just two quick ones. Gracia, a number of your peers are getting involved in more in the digital marketing services and that’s newspaper publishers, broadcasters, radio broadcasters. So maybe if you could size the opportunity for G/O Digital and what that could be presuming some success in a couple years, and I’ll throw the second one out there, Tribune publishing in their Dog and Pony Show about a week ago put – classified ventures for their business, total contribution at $71 million in revenues and $34 million in op Inc. They have zeroed that out, suggesting at least to my mind that a deal was possible on Cars.com, and just wondering how you view that business, how strategic is it? How important is it to maintain Cars.com as part of portfolio.

Gracia C. Martore

Management

Yes, that’s a couple of questions. So, let me start with the digital marketing services business and then I know that both Bob and Dave will want to jump in here, because they are doing a terrific job in much of a success of that business in their local markets. We see that as an extraordinary opportunity for us and we see it as an opportunity not just in our publishing markets, but also in our broadcasting markets. And potentially in markets that we are not in yet, but the first thing we are doing is we’re focusing on the very markets that we’re in. And we see it as an opportunity both at the local level, where we’re seeing tremendous growth, we talked I think about a 65% year-over-year growth in those local small to medium size businesses, but we also see it is a national opportunity to help national advertisers activate across the scaled set of markets that we have. So, it is a huge opportunity for us, I mean it’s a hundreds millions of dollar opportunity for us, not a tens of millions of dollars opportunity for us. Bob and Dave, why don’t you comment about the success that you are seeing in your markets.

David T. Lougee

Analyst

Yes. We are very happy with the results across the USCP. Our local sales teams, as you know are cycling some very large gains of a year-ago, despite that we're up about 58% and that exceeded our budgeted expectations. What's driving it is what Gracia spoke to earlier, both new customer acquisition, but what's really encouraging for us is that we are seeing larger transactions and our sales team is through training and just more experience becoming very adapted to selling multiple products. That is the future for us.

Robert J. Dickey

Analyst

I think Barry it's a unique opportunity for us in the broadcast space, because in our traditional core model obviously we have a finite group of advertisers who can afford the price point, but we have a lot of advertisers who in the market who we have a B2C relationship with. Most of our strong stations have an 80% response so it's pretty exciting for us to sort of think about the long tail opportunity of being able monetize all those businesses that we currently don't have a relationship with. But initially what we’re doing it is taking it all the big and medium size businesses that we currently have relationships with or are using G/O Digital to get broader relationships with and the key thing is the clients want it and I think that's maybe the most important fact, is we're bringing them a solution to a need they have and that's a good place to be in any marketplace.

Gracia C. Martore

Management

And then as to the second part of your question, Barry with respect classified ventures in Cars.com, I obviously can't comment on what Trib did or didn't put in their presentation to investors what I can tell you, obviously is that Cars.com in the auto category is a very important one for our company and Cars.com is a business that obviously we know extremely well. Jack Williams has been there since the founding and has been a common thread through the history of Cars.com, it’s an important category for us and a business we know very, very well. Barry L. Lucas – Gabelli & Company, Inc.,: Thank you.

Gracia C. Martore

Management

Thanks, Barry. I think we have time for one more question.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We’ll go to Dan Jenkins with State of Wisconsin Investment Board. Daniel F. Jenkins – State of Wisconsin Investment Board: Hi, good morning. I was curious the FCC in a couple years is talking about auctioning the TV specter for wireless providers. I was wondering what your views on that are in terms of if that's something you think you might participate in or how you're thinking about that potential.

Gracia C. Martore

Management

Well, first of all, I would say that we never say never, but I think that a lot of it is going to depend on how the auction is run and the market that are important et cetera, but Dave why don’t you fill in the blanks.

David T. Lougee

Analyst

Yes, I think it and relates to what our assets are is that A, that most of our assets aren’t in the key market that are most impacted and secondly I think strategic like ourselves that have high asset value for more existing stations are more interested in making sure of that the auction is done in such a ways is to not impact our coverage area and not hurt encumbrance and we are very focused on that through the NAB to hold the FCC to the congressional statute to make sure that we are not harmed in the rules that are used, and there are still open questions about the border states there is a lot of open question that I think broadcasters and even whoever they are that maybe thinking of participating probably there is a lot that has not been disclosed to them yet and we will play out over the next year to year and half probably. Daniel F. Jenkins – State of Wisconsin Investment Board: Okay thank you for the color.

Gracia Martore

Analyst

Thanks Stan. And thank you all for joining us this morning. If you have any additional question, please feel free to give a holler to Jeff Heinz. He can be reached at 703-854-6917. Thank you again for joining us and have a fantastic day.

Operator

Operator

This concludes our conference. Thank you for your participation.