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TransDigm Group Incorporated (TDG)

Q4 2015 Earnings Call· Thu, Nov 12, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Quarter Four TransDigm Group, Incorporated Earnings Conference Call. My name is Mark, and I will be your operator for today. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. We will conduct a question-and-answer session towards the end of this conference. As a reminder, this call is being recorded for replay purposes. I would like to turn the call over to Ms. Liza Sabol, Investor Relations. Please proceed, ma'am.

Liza Sabol - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Management

Thank you, Mark. Thank you all, that have called in today and welcome to TransDigm's fiscal 2015 fourth quarter earnings conference call. Speaking on the call this morning are TransDigm's Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Nick Howley; Chief Operating Officer of our Power Group, Kevin Stein; and Chief Financial Officer, Terry Paradie. A replay of today's broadcast will be available for the next two weeks. Replay information is contained in this morning's press release and on our website at transdigm.com. It should be also noted that our Form 10-K will be filed tomorrow and will also be found on our website. Before we begin, the company would like to remind you that statements made during this call, which are not historical, in fact, are forward-looking statements. For further information about important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied in the forward-looking statements, please refer to the company's latest filings with the SEC available through the Investors section of our website or at sec.gov. We would also like to advise you that during the course of the call, we will be referring to EBITDA, specifically EBITDA As Defined, adjusted net income and adjusted earnings per share, all of which are non-GAAP financial measures. Please see the tables and related footnotes in the earnings release for our presentation of the most directly comparable GAAP measures and a reconciliation of EBITDA, EBITDA As Defined, adjusted net income and adjusted earnings per share. With that, I will now turn the call over to Nick.

Nick Howley - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Management

Good morning, and thanks for calling in. Today, I'll start off as always; first with some comments about our consistent strategy. Then I'll do an overview of a busy fiscal year 2015. I'll review the initial guidance for fiscal year 2016. Kevin Stein will then review some key operating items for 2015 and Terry will then run through the financials for 2015 and 2016; so, a fair amount to cover here today. To reiterate, we believe our business model is unique in the industry, both in its consistency and its ability to sustain and create intrinsic shareholder value through all phases of the aerospace cycle. To summarize some of the reasons why we believe this, about 90% of our sales are generated by proprietary products, and around three-quarters of our sales come from products for which, we believe, we are the sole source provider, over half of our revenues and a much higher percent of our EBITDA comes from aftermarket sales. Aftermarket sales have historically produced higher gross margins and have provided relative stability in downturns. Because of our uniquely high EBITDA margins and relatively low capital expenditures, TransDigm has year in and year out generated strong free cash flow. This gives us a lot of operating and capital structuring flexibility. We follow a consistent long-term strategy. One, we own and operate proprietary aerospace businesses with significant aftermarket content. Second, we have a simple, well proven, value-based operating strategy, based around our three value driver concept; that is steady cost reduction, profitable new business generation, and value-focused pricing. Third, we maintain a decentralized organization structure and a unique compensation system with executives and senior management, who think, act and are paid like owners. Fourth, we acquire proprietary aerospace businesses with significant aftermarket content, where we see a clear path to…

Kevin M. Stein - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Management

Thanks, Nick. Good morning, everyone. As Nick mentioned, in total, we had a good fourth quarter and a strong finish to another very busy year. As we have stated previously, we believe our succession planning process, application of TransDigm value drivers and our organizational focus on accretive acquisitions that meet our strategic vision, are the keys to delivering shareholder value. And as you will see, we made appreciable progress on each of these this past year. To this point, let me provide some color to these aspects of our strategy. As we do with each acquisition, we follow a detailed and scripted integration plan. This includes an implementation of our value creation process and metrics, restructuring the business into our product line focus groups, focusing the engineering and business development efforts on winnable and profitable new business. And finally, we tighten up the cost structure. With nine new units acquired in 2014 and 2015, this integration process was significant. In fiscal year 2014, we acquired three proprietary aerospace businesses in two transactions; Airborne Systems North America, Airborne Systems UK and Elektro-Metall Export, or EME. All are progressing well and have met our strategic and shareholder return criteria. During 2015, we acquired four businesses, with six different operating units; Telair, Franke, Pexco and PneuDraulics. Telair and Franke were acquired in late March of 2015. At Telair, the business at acquisition was divided into three operational units. The three operational units have become Telair US Cargo Systems based in Goldsboro, North Carolina; Nordisk Aviation Products based in Norway; and Telair International based in Miesbach, Germany. We believe keeping these as separate business units will allow improved focus and accountability driving value creation. Each of these businesses made progress, integrating the TransDigm operating model and value generation philosophy. The first phase of productivity…

Terrance M. Paradie - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Management

Thank you, Kevin. Nick already summarized the key events that occurred in fiscal year 2015. So, I'll now review the consolidated financial results for our fourth quarter; then give a brief fiscal year end summary. Fourth quarter net sales were $810 million, up $168 million or approximately 26% greater than the prior year. The collective impact of the acquisitions; Telair, Pexco, PneuDraulics and Franke, contributed over 80% of the additional sales for the period. Our organic sales were approximately 4.5% higher than last year, primarily driven by growth in defense, partially offset by lower growth rates in commercial OEM and aftermarket. Our fourth quarter gross profit was $428 million or 52.8% of sales. Our reported gross profit margin of 52.8% was 1.5 margin points lower than prior year. This quarter's decline in margin was due to the dilutive impact from acquisition mix and higher acquisition-related costs, which accounted for a decrease of almost three margin points. Excluding all acquisition activity, our gross profit margins in the remaining businesses versus the prior year quarter improved almost 1.5 margin points due to the strength of our proprietary products and continually improving our cost structure. Our selling and administrative expenses were 12.1% of sales for the current quarter compared to 11.9% in the prior year. Excluding all acquisition-related expenses and non-cash stock comp, SG&A was about 10.2% of sales compared to 10.9% of sales a year ago. We had an increase in interest expense of approximately $16 million versus the prior year quarter. This was the result of an increase of outstanding borrowings of $950 million in the current quarter versus the prior year. The increase in outstanding borrowings was to fund acquisitions. Our net income for the quarter increased $27 million or 24% to $142 million, which is 17.5% of sales. This…

Liza Sabol - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Operator

Thank you, Terry. Operator, we are now ready to open the line for questions.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Your first question comes from the line of Michael Ciarmoli, KeyBanc Capital. Please proceed.

Michael F. Ciarmoli - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Analyst · Michael Ciarmoli, KeyBanc Capital. Please proceed

Hey. Good morning, guys; a real nice quarter. Thanks for taking the questions. Maybe, Nick, you talked about concerns on the OE cycle more pronounced into 2017. Can you just elaborate are you looking at specific platforms there or are you looking at your exposure to the 777 or maybe just kind of expand on what's giving you the specific concerns?

Nick Howley - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Management

Yes. I can't – I mean, you know, guys, I know all – I hear all the announcements on potential production cuts or up or down as you guys do; so I know nothing unique there. I would say it's more of a general concern. You know, we have an expansion that's been going on now for 11 years or something like that. It's generally forecast to run another three years, four years, pick the person, that's getting up in the 14-year, 15-year range, that's started to look awful long in the tooth to me. I can't give you a specific. I understand the backlogs in place still look pretty good, but that's starting to look pretty long to me and something that bears watching and when I combine that with the fact that you see a lot of noise in press releases now around the worldwide economy and the U.S. economy softening a bit. The combination of those two things concerns me. It's not any specific insight different than any you have. We are roughly market weighted on the airplane. So there is no one airplane that's going to drastically knock us out of – that's going to significantly change our numbers versus others.

Michael F. Ciarmoli - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Analyst · Michael Ciarmoli, KeyBanc Capital. Please proceed

Got it. And then just maybe one last one for me, just broadly on the commercial aerospace aftermarket; can you give us an update on kind of what you're seeing from airline behavior? And if we look at suppliers out there, I mean there continues to be wide variations of reported growth with, I guess, GE and Safran leading the way, UTX and Pratt kind of lagging; how do you guys tend to correlate with those suppliers and maybe what you are seeing?

Nick Howley - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Management

Yes, I don't know. On the engine, guys, I frankly don't know how to correlate that. I'm sure all of you watch them too. It seems to me, they swing up and down all over the place. They go up fast and down fast and I don't know how to correlate them with us. We tend to correlate ourselves more with the – with the more componenty kind of people, you know, that you see, UTAS and Honeywell and people like that. I think we're probably running a little ahead of those kind of businesses. I'd say in the marketplace, it still seems to me, as though they should be ordering more, or taking more. And that's why I've said, I think there is some upside in next year's number. But when you see the numbers and you see the discussion in the economy and the numbers other people are turning in and talking about it, it gives you some concern about being overly bullish.

Michael F. Ciarmoli - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Analyst · Michael Ciarmoli, KeyBanc Capital. Please proceed

Got it. That's helpful. Thanks, guys, I'll jump back into queue.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Gautam Khanna, Cowen and Co. Please proceed. Gautam Khanna - Cowen & Co. LLC: Good morning and great results.

Nick Howley - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Management

Thank you.

Terrance M. Paradie - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Management

Thank you. Gautam Khanna - Cowen & Co. LLC: Wanted to just have you elaborate on what you're seeing on the defense side of the business, aftermarket NOE (40:26) and if there's any tough comps we should be mindful of as we look through fiscal 2016? I remember the Airborne Systems piece had a bit of a comeback. So, how should we think about sort of the...

Nick Howley - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Management

Yes, I think, you mean as far as quarters or something like that? Gautam Khanna - Cowen & Co. LLC: Yes.

Nick Howley - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Management

Yes, well, first, we don't give quarterly guidance. I think you just have to look at the guidance we gave for the year. The specific things that moved it up are the parachute business, as we said, the international orders and those still look pretty strong. The Airbus 400 have a fair amount of a lot of activity, a lot of it being sort of catch-up for backed up stuff. That I think doesn't – you don't get a lot of growth off of that, just because it spiked up pretty well. The C-130, which we caught up a fair amount due to inventory drawdown at Lockheed and AeroControlex, I think that's kind of at rate, but I don't think the C-130 – the rates aren't going up on the C-130. I think you probably saw the catch-up you see there. And the combination of all those is why we're – we're not expecting another, whatever, at 9% to 12% growth next year. Now, I will admit, the defense business, it's an uncertain world out there. It could move down. I think it could move up too. Gautam Khanna - Cowen & Co. LLC: Okay. And that's helpful...

Nick Howley - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Management

I think the chances of the OEM portion of the business, which is less than the majority of the business moving dramatically from what we expect is small. Where you can get the movement is if operating tempo picks up, they start buying more spares and repairs. Gautam Khanna - Cowen & Co. LLC: That's fair. Thank you, Nick. And I was wondering if you could also just comment on your balance sheet capacity for a special dividend versus M&A in this environment. We did see some perturbations in the high yield market during the quarter, and I just wondered what you think you could actually lever up to for either a special or a corporate acquisition?

Nick Howley - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Management

I hesitate to guess at that, only because we see the same thing you see. It's sort of bouncing around, though I think yesterday, our bonds were trading just about at par. But it's kind of moved around a bit. Let me just see; our credit agreement is public, right?

Terrance M. Paradie - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Management

Our credit agreement, yes, it is.

Nick Howley - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Management

As you know, our credit agreement allows us to go up to 7.25% net. I think it might be tough in today's environment to get up to 7.25% net. I'm not sure we couldn't do it, the question is, whether we want to do it with the price movement it would take. We are thinking more like sort of 7%-s around our limit rather than 7.25%. Which I don't... (43:23) Gautam Khanna - Cowen & Co. LLC: And that would be for M&A or...

Nick Howley - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Management

We're probably a little more cautious around that mark with that now than we were a year ago. Gautam Khanna - Cowen & Co. LLC: Okay. And...

Nick Howley - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Management

I don't think in either case... Gautam Khanna - Cowen & Co. LLC: ...for dividends, would it be lower or would it be...

Nick Howley - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Management

Yes, and well, probably a little bit; it's hard to get an exact beat on that until you go out and try and raise it, but probably a little lower. Gautam Khanna - Cowen & Co. LLC: Okay. Thank you very much, guys.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from David Strauss, UBS. Please proceed.

David E. Strauss - UBS Securities LLC

Analyst · David Strauss, UBS. Please proceed

Good morning.

Nick Howley - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Management

Morning.

Terrance M. Paradie - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Management

Morning.

Kevin M. Stein - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Management

Morning.

David E. Strauss - UBS Securities LLC

Analyst · David Strauss, UBS. Please proceed

Nick, just looking at your revenue forecast, I'm having a hard time reconciling mid-single digit organic growth plus you've got, it looks like, about 2.5 full quarters of additional acquired revenues from all the deals you've done recently. Is it truly 5% organic you're assuming, because I'm just having a hard time getting down to kind of where you're guiding revenues to?

Nick Howley - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Management

We gave you the number. I don't follow you, David. The number is not clear or when you add acquisitions...

David E. Strauss - UBS Securities LLC

Analyst · David Strauss, UBS. Please proceed

Well, yes, if you take 5% organic revenue growth plus basically 2.5 additional quarters of about the similar amount of acquired revenues you had this quarter, you come up with a fair amount higher than the top end of your range.

Nick Howley - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Management

I think we're somehow disconnected maybe on our definition of organic.

David E. Strauss - UBS Securities LLC

Analyst · David Strauss, UBS. Please proceed

Okay.

Nick Howley - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Management

David, I just don't know, but I suspect we may be calculating organic different than you're calculating. But it's hard for me to answer that without seeing the calculation, but I think, Liza, we'd be glad to look at it.

Liza Sabol - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Operator

Yes (45:08).

David E. Strauss - UBS Securities LLC

Analyst · David Strauss, UBS. Please proceed

Okay, all right. That's fine. I can take it offline.

Nick Howley - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Management

Yes.

David E. Strauss - UBS Securities LLC

Analyst · David Strauss, UBS. Please proceed

And then, you gave us a lot of data around what you're assuming for kind of base business margins and all of that. If you look at your adjusted EBITDA growth, Nick, of 15% that you're guiding to for next year, how does that break out between base business and acquired, the acquisitions in terms of that 15%?

Nick Howley - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Management

Yes, I mean, it always is a – you're going to get a reasonable slug of it out of acquisitions, because they're new and you've got them for a full year. We don't break that number out, mostly because we don't want to go make judgments on allocations of overhead and things like that on it. But the new ones are a pretty good contributor. The existing businesses, you're not going to get the kind of margin movement you see in a new one.

Terrance M. Paradie - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Management

Yes, then historically, we've always increased the margins on these existing businesses, and we'll continue to do that on these acquired businesses. So we expect it to move on.

David E. Strauss - UBS Securities LLC

Analyst · David Strauss, UBS. Please proceed

Okay. And last one for me, did I hear correctly $1.5 billion in ending cash at 2016, so are you implying, as we think about free cash flow somewhere in the $700 million to $800 million range next year?

Terrance M. Paradie - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Management

Yes, I think what we said was almost $1.5 billion, and I think with what we're expecting midpoint on EBITDA and our cash conversion rate of that EBITDA, that puts you in the right range of what you're mentioning.

Nick Howley - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Management

But the answer to the question is yes.

Terrance M. Paradie - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Management

Yes.

David E. Strauss - UBS Securities LLC

Analyst · David Strauss, UBS. Please proceed

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from Myles Walton, Deutsche Bank. Please proceed.

Myles Alexander Walton - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Analyst

Thanks. Good morning. Just wanted to follow up on Dave's last question, first. So, you usually get about $100 million of cash from financing activity from the options and excess tax benefits. So the free cash flow would be somewhere in the $600 million to $700 million as opposed to $700 million to $800 million, is that right?

Terrance M. Paradie - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Management

I guess it depends how you define free cash flow. We define free cash flow as operating cash minus CapEx. And the way we look at the business is we really look at EBITDA conversion after paying cash taxes, interest, and working capital and that we see that's always over 50% and that's what we target.

Myles Alexander Walton - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Analyst

Got it. Okay, to follow up on that one...

Nick Howley - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Management

But the math is just $750 million and goes to a little under $1.5 billion.

Terrance M. Paradie - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Management

$1 billion to $1.5 billion.

Myles Alexander Walton - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Analyst

Sure.

Terrance M. Paradie - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Management

You can do the math on the free cash flow.

Myles Alexander Walton - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Analyst

Yes. But, you would pick up some extra cash in financing is all I was getting at from the options.

Terrance M. Paradie - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Management

Yes, because the exercise of the options.

Myles Alexander Walton - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Analyst

Yes. So, to back up, for 2015, so, you target 50% conversion of adjusted EBITDA to operating cash flow, it didn't play out in 2015. Was it simply cash taxes in the flow of those in the course...

Terrance M. Paradie - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Management

So, I think and believe it did pay out. I think the number, we look at free cash flow of $521 million, back off $55 million, we're – or, excuse me, our EBITDA of $1.2 billion, converted after interest and cash tax and CapEx, were almost 53% conversion.

Myles Alexander Walton - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Analyst

Your EBITDA As Defined was $1,233 million.

Terrance M. Paradie - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Management

Yes, that's what – yes, so, we have...

Myles Alexander Walton - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Analyst

You have operating cash flow of $521 million.

Terrance M. Paradie - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Management

Yes, but again, as I mentioned, we look at it as, take your EBITDA, back off cash interest and cash tax. The other piece of it is working capital, that you're factoring in your free cash and you can see from a working capital, we've made some investments this year.

Nick Howley - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Management

I think, you're just trying to calibrate them. Miles, when we say it's over 50%, there is a definition of what we mean by that.

Myles Alexander Walton - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Analyst

Yes. Okay.

Nick Howley - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Management

We mean, what we call operating, which is EBITDA minus cash interest minus cash tax minus CapEx, right.

Myles Alexander Walton - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Analyst

Okay, got it. Because in prior years, the working capital actually has not been a source, it's been more of a – excuse me, not been a use, it has been more of a source, so, I guess that's the differential this year.

Terrance M. Paradie - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Management

Yes. You heard Kevin talk about, as we move to integrating some of these new businesses, and growing our businesses, we built some working capital in the inventory area this year and that's what you're seeing.

Myles Alexander Walton - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Analyst

Got it. And the only other one that I had was, the 31% as a starting point for tax, is that a good ongoing rate beyond 2016, is there anything one-off in 2016 that's helping drive down...

Terrance M. Paradie - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Management

Yes, we don't predict what the discretes will be. That is our estimate for our full year effective tax rate. So the 31% is that number. And it's down from 33%, where we started last year, because of the Telair acquisition structure we put in place.

Myles Alexander Walton - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Analyst

Okay. Great. Thanks, guys.

Terrance M. Paradie - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Management

Yes, yes. That's the recurring rate.

Myles Alexander Walton - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Analyst

Great. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Ken Herbert, Canaccord. Please proceed.

Ken Herbert - Canaccord Genuity, Inc.

Analyst · Ken Herbert, Canaccord. Please proceed

Hi. Good morning.

Nick Howley - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Management

Morning.

Terrance M. Paradie - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Management

Morning.

Kevin M. Stein - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Management

Morning

Ken Herbert - Canaccord Genuity, Inc.

Analyst · Ken Herbert, Canaccord. Please proceed

I just wanted to follow up on that working capital question if I could. Was almost all of the growth, it looks like about half was inventory this year and then some on the accounts receivable. Was that all associated with the acquisitions and positioning them or was there anything else going on in the base business?

Terrance M. Paradie - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Management

No, I don't believe there's anything going on in the base business. It's really driven by acquisitions. If we look at our DSOs, they're very consistent year-over-year as well as from an inventory turn, the same thing. The acquisitions as well as we are building up a little bit of safety stock...

Nick Howley - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Management

And volumes have gone up.

Terrance M. Paradie - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Management

And volumes have gone up, absolutely.

Nick Howley - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Management

Yes.

Ken Herbert - Canaccord Genuity, Inc.

Analyst · Ken Herbert, Canaccord. Please proceed

Yes. And then – okay. So as you think about 2016 and the guidance I guess, a lot of that is helped I guess into 2016 when you think about at least some of the inventory and the ability to sort of work that down through the year?

Terrance M. Paradie - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Management

I think that's, we'll see how that all plays out. I think one thing we have to recognize is that we really are focusing on EBITDA and we are willing to give up a little bit of working capital to generate further EBITDA. So that's really our strategy.

Nick Howley - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Management

But I think as far as looking at the basic business model, what we define as working capital is receivables and inventory minus accounts payable, that's what we track. That number runs 27%-ish, 26% to 28%, and it doesn't change much, and any change you see in there from year-to-year is just a random perturbation. You can use that number and feel pretty comfortable that it's a pretty good predictor, that kind of range. As percent of revenue, I'm talking about.

Ken Herbert - Canaccord Genuity, Inc.

Analyst · Ken Herbert, Canaccord. Please proceed

Yes, yes. Okay, no, that's helpful.

Nick Howley - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Management

That's what we use when we model it.

Ken Herbert - Canaccord Genuity, Inc.

Analyst · Ken Herbert, Canaccord. Please proceed

Okay, okay. That's helpful. So I guess the only variability would be obviously incremental acquisitions which obviously are not in the guides.

Terrance M. Paradie - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Management

Right.

Ken Herbert - Canaccord Genuity, Inc.

Analyst · Ken Herbert, Canaccord. Please proceed

And if I could just finally, Nick, on the aftermarket, I know last time we spoke you were commenting around still some inventory in, not at the distribution level, but at the airline level. Do you see that as – is that part of your conservatism here in 2016, and how that plays out or you get a sense that specific inventory levels are close to normalized and the caution around the guidance is really just, obviously 2015 had a lot of surprises maybe and obviously you don't want to get too far ahead of things here?

Nick Howley - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Management

Well, first, I have no specific way to exactly put my finger on what the inventory is that all the airlines have. I would say they seem to be buying less than they should be consuming and I don't think we are alone in saying that. I think there is some probability or if not possibility, that there were overbuys before that that are being drawn down, and I think there is some possibility that they're getting a little better on inventory management. All those combined with the fact that some economic concern is what has us a little softer. But you know, you take our guidance for aftermarket, take off the price and you can make whatever estimate you want on that, you guys probably won't be too far off. You'll see, we're still pretty modest in our assumptions on the real growth, the unit growth, it probably still doesn't track airline activity.

Ken Herbert - Canaccord Genuity, Inc.

Analyst · Ken Herbert, Canaccord. Please proceed

Yes, exactly. Well obviously coming off of 2015, that's probably a fair assumption, a safe assumption heading into 2016?

Nick Howley - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Management

Yes. But we hope there could be upside there.

Ken Herbert - Canaccord Genuity, Inc.

Analyst · Ken Herbert, Canaccord. Please proceed

Yes.

Nick Howley - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Management

We'd love to be wrong on the upside.

Ken Herbert - Canaccord Genuity, Inc.

Analyst · Ken Herbert, Canaccord. Please proceed

All right. I appreciate it. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of David Strauss, UBS. Please proceed.

David E. Strauss - UBS Securities LLC

Analyst · David Strauss, UBS. Please proceed

Hey. Thanks for taking my follow-up. Nick, back on the aftermarket; any distinction on what you're seeing in terms of kind of the more discretionary part of the aftermarket versus the non-discretionary part?

Nick Howley - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Management

I don't think I can realistically make that argument. If I look quarter-by-quarter, it's spotty across the businesses that are discretionary and non-discretionary. The vast majority of our businesses are not discretionary stuff. You just need them when you run the hours and I can't say there is a marked difference in the more discretionary things.

David E. Strauss - UBS Securities LLC

Analyst · David Strauss, UBS. Please proceed

Okay. And, Terry, the gap, the difference between the adjusted EPS and GAAP EPS guidance; can you reconcile how much of that is stock comp versus acquisition or integration-related cost?

Terrance M. Paradie - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Management

Yes, I think it's in the slides, David. I think if you looked at slide nine, you will see that the biggest component there is the non-cash stock comp of about $0.64 and then acquisition related expenses of $0.44 that makes up $1.13.

David E. Strauss - UBS Securities LLC

Analyst · David Strauss, UBS. Please proceed

Got it. Okay. Yes. Okay, haven't seen that. Thanks.

Terrance M. Paradie - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Management

Yeah.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Carter Copeland of Barclays. Please proceed.

Carter Copeland - Barclays Capital, Inc.

Analyst · Carter Copeland of Barclays. Please proceed

Hey, good morning, guys, and nice numbers as always, Nick.

Nick Howley - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Management

Thanks.

Carter Copeland - Barclays Capital, Inc.

Analyst · Carter Copeland of Barclays. Please proceed

Couple of questions; first off, just on the order trends, Nick, when you look regionally I think real-time, do you see any difference in order activity out of some of the places that we're all worried about, whether it's Asia or Middle East or Latin America; you're spread across those places, is there anything to note in terms of order differentials on the aftermarket?

Nick Howley - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Management

Nothing that I feel comfortable enough to talk about, Carter. I don't see any particular conclusion I can draw other than the normal; people are flying more and buying more. But I can't say I see any dislocation in one place different than another at least on the data we have.

Carter Copeland - Barclays Capital, Inc.

Analyst · Carter Copeland of Barclays. Please proceed

All right. And then just a quick follow-up, you mentioned really quickly the head count reduction; I wondered if you might kind of compare that to – obviously you did one in – I believe it was 2008. Is this something like that in terms of a magnitude or presumably it's a bit smaller and maybe you can give us just some color on?

Nick Howley - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Management

Smaller. Yes, it's smaller. I mean, it's more in the low single digit kind of percents.

Carter Copeland - Barclays Capital, Inc.

Analyst · Carter Copeland of Barclays. Please proceed

Than the 10% you did?

Nick Howley - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Management

Yes, yes, yes, and the logic there is as I think I told you we're a little concerned about the length of the cycle and in fact anything that happens in 2017 will start to ripple back into 2016. As you know quite quickly and the overall economic news across the whole economy doesn't look great to us. And you combine that with the fact that there isn't quite as much development activity as there was three years ago or four years ago. Our view also, Carter, as you know, is to get out ahead of that stuff. We're not ready to make a sort of a definitive statement or an adjustment as we did back then, but we'll keep watching that very closely and we quickly will, if our view changes.

Carter Copeland - Barclays Capital, Inc.

Analyst · Carter Copeland of Barclays. Please proceed

So you think this is more engineering and overhead-oriented at least, at first?

Nick Howley - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Management

Impacted by – yes. We primarily are making adjustments in the non-hourly, though we're adjusting some of the hourly. The bigger adjustments are in the non-hourly, and the reason for that is, we've still got the backlog. So I mean we're still cranking stuff out, just like the production rates are cranking out. But that almost naturally take care of itself, if the backlog starts to soften at all. Where you have to get proactive is in all the overhead structure. And we're sort of getting a little ahead of that.

Carter Copeland - Barclays Capital, Inc.

Analyst · Carter Copeland of Barclays. Please proceed

Great. Makes perfect sense. Thanks, Nick.

Operator

Operator

I would now like to turn the call over to Liza Sabol for closing remarks.

Liza Sabol - TransDigm Group, Inc.

Operator

Thank you, again, for calling in today and I want to remind you to look for our 10-K that will be filed sometime tomorrow.