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Tidewater Inc. (TDW)

Q3 2019 Earnings Call· Tue, Nov 12, 2019

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Operator

Operator

Good morning and welcome to the earnings conference call, third quarter 2019. My name is Sheryl and I will be your operator for today’s call. [Operator Instructions] Please note, that this conference call is being recorded. I would now turn the call over to Jason Stanley. Sir, you may begin.

Jason Stanley

Analyst

Thank you, Sheryl. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Tidewater’s earnings conference call for the period ended September 30, 2019. I’m Jason Stanley, Tidewater’s VP of Investor Relations and I would like to thank you for your time and interest in Tidewater. With me this morning on the call are our President and CEO, Quintin Kneen, our Chief Accounting Officer, Sam Rubio and our General Counsel and Corporate Sector Secretary, Daniel Hudson. Also I will cover a few formalities, I will turn the call over to Quintin for his prepared remarks, we will then open up the call for you to ask questions. During today’s call we may make certain comments that are forward-looking and not statements of historical fact. There are risks and uncertainties and other factors that may cause the Company’s actual future performance to be materially different from that stated or implied by any comment that we make during today’s conference call. Please refer to our most recent Form 10-Q for any additional details on the these factors. This document is available on our website or through the SEC at sec.gov. Information presented on this call speaks only as of today November 12, 2019, and therefore you are advised that at any time-sensitive information may no longer be accurate at the time of any replay. Also during the call, we will present both GAAP and non-GAAP financial measures. A reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP measures is included in last evening’s press release. Now with that, I will turn the call over to Quintin.

Quintin Kneen

Analyst

Thank you, Jason. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the third quarter of 2019 Tidewater earnings conference call. I’m excited to be leading this call today, a lot has happened since we last spoke and we have more positive change and progress that I believe will make you as excited as I am. Tidewater is determine to lead the offshore industry through the remainder of the recovery. We have the industry’s leading balance sheet which we are taking steps to enhance even further. We have led the industry thus far and consolidation and we are preparing our infrastructure, capital structure to consolidate the industry even further. We will use the improving industry fundamental to get day-rates back to where they need to be to properly compensate our capital providers and we will continue to lead the industry in recycling and capital discipline. As previously announced, we recently streamlined our corporate management team. In addition to the publicly announced management changes, we also made significant reductions in staff at our corporate office at the end of October. These organizational changes will result in a five Managing Directors responsible for the Company’s primary operating segments to report directly to the CEO. And we are in still in a corporate culture where the function groups that remain at corporate or charter defined ways to support and enhance the productivity of the five leading Managing Directors. One of our primary goals is to reduce bureaucracy in orders to increase the speed of decision making and empower people closest to the vessel to make decisions and take ownership. To that end, since the merger in November of last year, we have also been redesigning and implementing the state of the art shore base information management system. I’m the strong believer in leveraging technology to create…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We will now being the question & answer session [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from [indiscernible] from Clarksons. Your line is now open.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Good day, Quintin. I have a couple of questions for you.

Quintin Kneen

Analyst

Good day to you.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

So, previously you have guided on G&A run rate target of 87 million per year, but in light for the recent announcements around organizational changes and all that, do you see potential for improving that target for 2020 or what is your thoughts around that?

Quintin Kneen

Analyst

I believe that the target that we set for ourselves will easily be beat. And I look forward to updating you in Q1 on where I think we can push that number long-term.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. That is positive, thank you. And in this quarter you have some extraordinary cost related to organizational changes. Do you expect the level of those cost to remain the same in the fourth quarter or higher or lower?

Quintin Kneen

Analyst

They will be lower in the fourth quarter, but they will be there, they will be those. Obviously taking out the Section 16 officers that we publicly announced back in September has a higher cost. But the reorganization and reduction in force that we did in October also check out a significant number of people and there will be some investing of shares and so severance related to that. Most of that similar to this time will be non-cash.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. Thank you. And you reported that you have reactivated five larger high specification vessels in this quarter. So I just wondered what is the average reactivation cost per vessel and in case you have the contract in-hand for these vessels, could you say something about the average duration and the EBITDA margin for the contract and also what is the -?

Quintin Kneen

Analyst

Yes. I will tell you the reactivation cost has fluctuated between just under one million to over three million per copy on those vessels. So, it is hard to generalize right now, because a lot of it has to do depend on the quality, the build in the vessels as well as how long it was in the layup. So, we will tell you that the range in there has been on average about 1.5 million to 2.5 million, but we have seen it over three million and we have seen it under one million. The vessels that remain in layup today, are the ones that are more expensive to reactivate. So for example, the next large vessels that we expect reactivate will be closer to that $3 million range to the higher freeze almost $4 million range. So, when I talk about the reactivation of vessels in the global fleet and layup not just ours, that's a very significant cost to overcome. So, you only want to do it when you have a vessel that you know you can continue to work over the next five to 10-years, and a lot of vessel just don't meet that criteria today. So the margins have been very good, and most of those have been reactivated, in fact all of those have been reactivated under long-term contracts.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. Thank you. And one last question for me. So, the market is showing some modest signs of recovery with a broad-based taking rates, especially for larger vessels within the third quarter, average day-rates for your fleet decreased, actually it has been by something downward re-pricing of the legacy contract as you mentioned. Do you expect that the mark-to-market effect of vessels role on in new contracts will be possible going forward in the form of increased average day-rates or can you still see some quarters with significant effect of legacy contracts being re-priced downwards?

Quintin Kneen

Analyst

No. I don’t see, what we saw from Q2 to Q3 is a stepped down. You know we had some very nice lucrative contracts that rolled off during Q2, at the end of Q2 and as a result, I don't expect to see that again. Now, it is always difficult as you roll into Q4 and Q1, because you jus don’t know exactly where the spot market is going to go in some regions of the world and this is softer period of the year. In my prepared remarks, I was talking about the trends increasing and I generally believe that. I mean, everything that we are pricing out today, especially for tonnage that is thousands square meter deck, and even tonnage that is 850 square meter deck and above, is pricing up nicely above where it is today. So, in the $2,000 to $3,000 a day range higher. So, that rule-one effect when that occurs we will be nice. I don't think, we are going to see it printed in the quarterly P&Ls and so until kind of first quarter or second quarter of 2020.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. That's understood. Thank you very much Quintin. Have a good day.

Quintin Kneen

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Patrick Fitzgerald from Robert W. Baird. Your line is now open.

Patrick Fitzgerald

Analyst

Hi. Hello. How are you?

Quintin Kneen

Analyst

Good Patrick.

Patrick Fitzgerald

Analyst

So, just few items first, dry-dock 60 million this year, I believe next year is a kind of a higher amount. Could you update us on what that's going to be looking like?

Quintin Kneen

Analyst

So, we are under a long review on dry-docks for 2020. I don't believe, it will be higher than what we are seeing in 2019. But it will be high relative to what I think the average would be. So, as a results, I can't give you a number today. It is obviously going to be as high as what we experienced in 2019, overdoing as we go through our budgeting process for 2020 is scrutinizing heavily those dry-dock investments, and what we are trying to do is make sure that every one of those investments is justified. So I'll be able to give you a little bit of more clearly when we do the Q4 call.

Patrick Fitzgerald

Analyst

So somewhere between what you said is the average of 38 million and 60 this year.

Quintin Kneen

Analyst

That's correct.

Patrick Fitzgerald

Analyst

Okay. And are you seeing competitors midst dry-docks or push them out potentially leasing less supply in the markets where you operate, or are they basically coming up with ways to hit those dry-docks kind of creatively?

Quintin Kneen

Analyst

Well, they are for the most part finding ways to hit those dry-docks, but there has definitely have been perhaps less than 10, but there have been situations where vessels that are approaching their five year survey have actually gone into layup, because they didn’t feel that they could either justify those dry-dock or couldn’t find the money for dry-dock. Unfortunately, I mean this is a little bit of the tone of the prepared remarks, what I see happening is capital holders and capital providers still trying to hold out. And I don’t just agree on the younger vessels, but the older vessels in particular people need to throughout the talent on. But there hasn’t had the measurable effect in 2019 of decreasing the supply of modern tonnage.

Patrick Fitzgerald

Analyst

Okay. And then any sense of what - you have done a really great job generating cash from selling some assets that you are not going to be able to use or scrapping them. Can you keep up that pace or is that going to be a little bit slower next year do you think?

Quintin Kneen

Analyst

Two things, which relates to that, my intention is to get more aggressive in selling the vessels. So of the 60 that we have getting rid of another 45 as early as we can in 2020 would be important to me. Prices on the tonnage that we remain are as lower, just because it is easier to sell the better tonnage and so that tonnage has already left. Okay. And I do expect that there would be some of the tonnage, a disproportionate number of that will go into scrap as we go into 2020. So I still expect to have a significant number and that number could easily be 30 million a bit difficult to make that number 50 million.

Patrick Fitzgerald

Analyst

Okay. No thanks that is helpful. And then just in terms of the consent solicitation and tender. You need 50% to consent correct, but you don’t need to consent to participate in the tender. But you do need more than 50% to consent to do the tender. So, yes, am I understanding that correctly?

Quintin Kneen

Analyst

You are understanding that correctly, but I will say that precisely 50.1 is what I need if you will. So I mean about 50%, so once the tender is - once the consent is confirmed the tender will be activated.

Patrick Fitzgerald

Analyst

Okay. And then you highlighted some of the keys that you want through this process, operate in internationally easier, ability to refinance the debt. I haven’t seen all the documents yet at this point, but is there - could you provide anymore color on like what exactly the current indenture doesn’t allow you to do that would be nice to be able to do?

Quintin Kneen

Analyst

Sure. I will give you some general comments, but we can also forward you a summary of it, just because there are 16 modifications and we get go from here.

Patrick Fitzgerald

Analyst

Yes. Right.

Quintin Kneen

Analyst

- today. And then we have you e-mail address and so we will do that and of course anyone on the call that wants to, we will do that as well. But there are certain things that are overly restricted. For example, we can't re-flag a Jones Act vessel out of the Jones Act, okay. Now, the reasons that creditors want to do that because it is actually easy to mortgage a vessel in the us on the U.S. So, what happens is the smaller vessels that we have in the U.S. that would ideally be working in Mexico or in Southern Caribbean or even Africa. What it would require means you either not be able to work there, because there are flag state requirements in those local jurisdictions - to keep them crew with U.S. mariners, which is an expensive proposition. So, it decreases my opportunities there because we are competing with local vessels of those situation and that's one example of it. There is a few more examples related to how we operate internationally from a cash consolidation standpoint, and what we would like to do is make sure that we can easily manage the cash flows and not have to maintain any type of bureaucratic infrastructure in certain areas of the world. So, that's another element that you just see in those 16 modifications. One of the bigger ones that most people will focus on is the reduction in the required EBITDA to interest ratio. Obviously, we printed 80.5 million of EBITDA this quarter, our interest on an annual basis, probably are approaching $32 million so we are easily over two times today, which is the maximum of that ratio gets up to. But what I don't want to be forced to do is work those just to create EBITDA. There's phenomenon in our industry, which is, you know I can actually be cash flow neutral on a vessel, but create EBITDA because what ends up happening is I'll spend as much on the reactivation of the vessel, as I will earn in EBITDA and create EBITDA for me, but it doesn't create cash flow. And I don't want to be put into those positions. So, one of the reasons for getting some flexibility on that ratio is just to make all those sensible decisions and withhold capacity from the market when it is appropriate to do so. But, let me send you the list that way you can take a look at it and if you have any questions you can call us.

Patrick Fitzgerald

Analyst

Okay. Yes. Sorry. Just one more. Do you have a specific number of cash on the balance sheet that you want to keep. So, that you wouldn't want upsize this tender if you get good support for it?

Quintin Kneen

Analyst

Well, I think I do believe that we have very good support for the tender and taking out the bonds of 108.5 to me is a good balance for both the bondholders and the equitable today. I expect that we will leave about $200 million of cash on the balance sheet as a result of this transaction, which is still a bit of a negative carry. But to me, as I mentioned earlier in prepared remarks, this is the first step of two or three step process of writing the capital structure. So, taking all the bonds out today is not practical. I think that I want to take out as much as I can, if I can upsize it, I may. But then you would look to us to do some other activities like putting in the revolver that we are now allowed to do as well as taking out the bonds before their maturity in call it the 2021 timeframe.

Patrick Fitzgerald

Analyst

Okay. Thank you very much.

Quintin Kneen

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from [indiscernible]. Your line is now open.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Thank you. Hi. A quick question, in the second quarter call you guidance for average vessels being I think 11 down in this quarter and another six in the fourth quarter. Now that turned out to be a bit less with only five vessels left. So could you elaborate a bit on what change there, was there better employment, prospects, vessels you expect to see go idle. What was behind that?

Quintin Kneen

Analyst

It was a combination of numerous factors, one is some of the vessels that we were expecting would roll off or actually get extended on their existing contract. So as a result, they didn’t roll off in the third quarter or their rolled off much later in the third quarter. So as result, it didn’t impact the average number is much as we anticipated. We are able to keep more boats and we put a couple of more boats to work that I was anticipating at higher day-rates so that is a news encouraging as well.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. And then on the vessel margin that you guided in the call to - last quarter call to something like 34, that came in - it has had lower and you also mentioned that you expect this to ramp up again in the fourth quarter. Is this still on-track or is this more difficult to achieve right now, the improvement into the fourth quarter.

Quintin Kneen

Analyst

So the improvement, a couple of things are happening that brought that down. One is, when we are reactivating those vessel, that we were just talking about, it just cost a little bit more money when you are initially reactivating those vessels. And so that burned up some of the margin that we were anticipating being saved in Q3, we do, because we think obviously we are going to make more money on reactivating the vessels and keeping the vessels working as we go through Q4, Q1 timeframe. I do still expect the general trend on the older vessels in our fleet to drop out. So the vessels that I anticipated dropping out in the Q3 and in Q4, a portion of them I was expected to actually get reactivated in the first half of 2020. And the way that it is working out is some of the older boats are being extended on the new contracts, the ones that are truly kind of on their last contract if you will, maybe they don’t fall out our service in Q3, they fall out of service in Q4 or Q1, but when they fall off a service they are going to go on to layup. So, some of those are just being [attachable] (Ph). What I’m hoping for is those vessels continue to extended are extended to a period of time when we can also reactivate some of the newer tonnage so that the overall dropping active vessels count isn’t as significant. But as I look to Q4, I’m still seeing about another net five. And that to me feels right, obviously we are a month into the quarter. Q4 is always a softer quarter anyway so it is harder to extend anything that actually matures in those quarters. So, my anticipation is that we will be down five.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. And then final question. We have the vessels operating right now, if I understand it correctly some of those will roll off contract and then go either into layup will be scrapped. Then you mentioned 12 to 16 of the vessels currently stacks are vessels you want to keep. So, if then let’s say the roughly 170 number of vessels the fleet size going forward that you see right now?

Quintin Kneen

Analyst

Well I do have a rule of not doing math on the conference recall, but I think that you got it right, which is essentially we will take out 45 in the existing fleet and that will result in an overall vessel count in the 170 range.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And speakers at this time, I show no further questions in queue.

Quintin Kneen

Analyst

Sheryl, thank you very much. Thank you everyone for participating on the call today and we look forward to updating you in the Q1, 2020 timeframe. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen this concludes today's conference. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.